The Duggars: In the Media and TLC

[Picture It. Sicily]

On 12/11/2021 at 11:52 PM, emmawoodhouse said:

My favorite Dougie picture. Well, aside from all the cosplay. 😂

Thankfully, Peter Bradrick left VF and fundamentalism altogether. 

 

Looks like something from a wedding album. 

[Churchhoney]

On 12/11/2021 at 8:56 PM, emmawoodhouse said:

True. VF had a national following. Of course, their dear leader got caught with his pants down, and VF is now defunct. 😂

And of course he didn't just get caught with his pants down. He got caught grooming and trapping a young teenager who was part of his organization/church and who then worked in his household, helping out with his multiple kids.

And what he got caught doing was basically using her as a masturbation toy against her will night after night after night. So -- you know, essentially another SA thing that many would call pedophilia, since it started when she was 15 or so......Just a different version of Gothard, who also messed with young teens (although he also messed with women who weren't teens).....

This whole culture is mainly a bunch of men who've found a constitutionally protected way to use everybody in their purview for whatever personal purposes they have. 

Thank goodness for the young woman who called out creep Doug and brought this particular train to a stop. 

 

[RowdyCam]

A pretty thorough mainstream media article on the Duggars from the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2021-12-19/josh-duggar-trial-19-kids-and-counting-tlc

[ginger90]

54 minutes ago, RowdyCam said:

A pretty thorough mainstream media article on the Duggars from the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2021-12-19/josh-duggar-trial-19-kids-and-counting-tlc

This is one of the better articles I’ve read.

[louannems]

5 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

This is one of the better articles I’ve read.

I can't read it unless I subscribe.

[GeeGolly]

I think its funny how the article states TLC whitewashed the Duggar beliefs, then goes on to share all that was revealed on the show from the get go.

[TrixieTrue]

33 minutes ago, louannems said:

I can't read it unless I subscribe.

Try opening it in an incognito window. 

[SMama]

27 minutes ago, TrixieTrue said:

Try opening it in an incognito window. 

What is an IW? 

[Churchhoney]

43 minutes ago, SMama said:

What is an IW? 

It's a browser mode that doesn't reveal your location to websites you visit. Some online publications won't let you read if you're using one -- or they'll only let you read a limited amount. But at many websites you can use them. 

The  option is generally offered in the list that's available at the upper right of your browser page -- the one that says something like "open new tab" or "open new window." The incognito/private option is usually right under the "new window" one. 

In Chrome, the new window is called "incognito"

In Microsoft Edge, it's "InPrivate"

In Firefox, it's "private"

In Opera (where it opens when you click the O in the upper left), it's "private" 

Etc. 

[Gemma Violet]

I just read the article at Yahoo and was coming to post about it.  I'm glad the word is getting out to the mainstream that this is not a lovey-dovey normal family.

[SMama]

25 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

It's a browser mode that doesn't reveal your location to websites you visit. Some online publications won't let you read if you're using one -- or they'll only let you read a limited amount. But at many websites you can use them. 

The  option is generally offered in the list that's available at the upper right of your browser page -- the one that says something like "open new tab" or "open new window." The incognito/private option is usually right under the "new window" one. 

In Chrome, the new window is called "incognito"

In Microsoft Edge, it's "InPrivate"

In Firefox, it's "private"

In Opera (where it opens when you click the O in the upper left), it's "private" 

Etc. 

Thank you!

[CalicoKitty]

I also will have to wait for people to give a synopsis.  I cannot get my browser to cooperate.

[Guest]

Please do not copy and paste full articles to the site; we do not want to violate other site's copyright's by pasting their intellectual property.

[GeeGolly]

I know when I'm scrolling news sites, I pass on many articles because I have no idea who they're talking about. Especially People Magazine. So and so had a baby! Blank and Blank finally tied the knot! I'm going to guess, even with their millions of SM followers, the Duggars aren't that well known.

Or even if there's name recognition, folks still scroll on by. Personally, I've never read more than the headlines about the Kardashians and the Honey Boo Boo family.

[Westiepeach]

5 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

It's a browser mode that doesn't reveal your location to websites you visit. Some online publications won't let you read if you're using one -- or they'll only let you read a limited amount. But at many websites you can use them. 

The  option is generally offered in the list that's available at the upper right of your browser page -- the one that says something like "open new tab" or "open new window." The incognito/private option is usually right under the "new window" one. 

In Chrome, the new window is called "incognito"

In Microsoft Edge, it's "InPrivate"

In Firefox, it's "private"

In Opera (where it opens when you click the O in the upper left), it's "private" 

Etc. 

Well, I consider(ed) myself a pretty darn good computer user. And here I am, learning something I never, ever knew! Thank you!

[Lukeysboat]

Oh boy, I’m really looking forward to this docuseries on the IBLP!

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/duggars-documentary-investigative-series-amazon-lularich-1235142307/

“On the heels of Josh Duggar’s explosive criminal trial, the untitled project will expose shocking connections between some of reality television’s most famous large families and The Institute in Basic Life Principles, a controversial fundamentalist organization and homeschooling empire. In addition, prominent commentators, writers, and social media voices will explore the broader zeitgeist of reality television, social media, faith, fundamentalism, patriarchy, and power.”

Edited December 22, 2021 by Lukeysboat
ETA to add description

[Minivanessa]

16 minutes ago, Lukeysboat said:

Oh boy, I’m really looking forward to this docuseries on the IBLP!

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/duggars-documentary-investigative-series-amazon-lularich-1235142307/

“On the heels of Josh Duggar’s explosive criminal trial, the untitled project will expose shocking connections between some of reality television’s most famous large families and The Institute in Basic Life Principles, a controversial fundamentalist organization and homeschooling empire. In addition, prominent commentators, writers, and social media voices will explore the broader zeitgeist of reality television, social media, faith, fundamentalism, patriarchy, and power.”

I thought LulaRich was an excellent series. I hope they do as good a job with this one. I am SO looking forward to its release! Gotta illustrate this post appropriately with my favorite cute little watcher guy: 

 

[zoomama]

23 minutes ago, Lukeysboat said:

Oh boy, I’m really looking forward to this docuseries on the IBLP!

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/duggars-documentary-investigative-series-amazon-lularich-1235142307/

“On the heels of Josh Duggar’s explosive criminal trial, the untitled project will expose shocking connections between some of reality television’s most famous large families and The Institute in Basic Life Principles, a controversial fundamentalist organization and homeschooling empire. In addition, prominent commentators, writers, and social media voices will explore the broader zeitgeist of reality television, social media, faith, fundamentalism, patriarchy, and power.”

please be sure to alert us when it is showing. i often miss things...

[SMama]

5 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I thought LulaRich was an excellent series. I hope they do as good a job with this one. I am SO looking forward to its release! Gotta illustrate this post appropriately with my favorite cute little watcher guy: 

 

The Duggars are done, I wonder how it will affect the Bates.

[emmawoodhouse]

51 minutes ago, SMama said:

The Duggars are done, I wonder how it will affect the Bates.

Hopefully it will gain mainstream attention and ruin them, too. 

[auntieminem]

I wish it was coming out sooner.  Can't wait. 

[MMEButterfly]

1 hour ago, Lukeysboat said:

Oh boy, I’m really looking forward to this docuseries on the IBLP!

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/duggars-documentary-investigative-series-amazon-lularich-1235142307/

“On the heels of Josh Duggar’s explosive criminal trial, the untitled project will expose shocking connections between some of reality television’s most famous large families and The Institute in Basic Life Principles, a controversial fundamentalist organization and homeschooling empire. In addition, prominent commentators, writers, and social media voices will explore the broader zeitgeist of reality television, social media, faith, fundamentalism, patriarchy, and power.”

Thank you for telling us. I'm looking forward to it also. As interesting as Josh's conviction is, my greatest curiosity is around IBLP and its effect on families. 

[JoanArc]

2 hours ago, Lukeysboat said:

Oh boy, I’m really looking forward to this docuseries on the IBLP!

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/duggars-documentary-investigative-series-amazon-lularich-1235142307/

“On the heels of Josh Duggar’s explosive criminal trial, the untitled project will expose shocking connections between some of reality television’s most famous large families and The Institute in Basic Life Principles, a controversial fundamentalist organization and homeschooling empire. In addition, prominent commentators, writers, and social media voices will explore the broader zeitgeist of reality television, social media, faith, fundamentalism, patriarchy, and power.”

[Zella]

Ugh hate we have to wait so long, but it looks promising. Per the article, it will focus on the Duggar, Plath, and Bates families. 

 

[emmawoodhouse]

The Plaths? Yes, there was scandal of kids fleeing, but they aren't IBLP. I wonder what their angle will be?

Edited December 23, 2021 by emmawoodhouse
Mixed up the Plaths and willises

[Zella]

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

The Plaths? Yes, there was major scandal, but they weren't IBLP. I wonder what their angle will be?

I was actually wondering if they were IBLP. The documentarians may need to find another family. I submit the Spiveys for consideration. Or the Wallers. But my heart wants the Spiveys. 

[emmawoodhouse]

No, the Plaths are run of the mill IFB. They are actually good friends of JillRod.

[iwantcookies]

Lol maybe that’s how Jill RodPlexus will get on tv through the Plaths

[emmawoodhouse]

21 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

Lol maybe that’s how Jill RodPlexus will get on tv through the Plaths

It didn't work when she was leghumping the Duggars. 

eta I'm pretty sure Jill knows the Plaths via the Pearls. Now THAT is someone I wish would get investigated. Of course he's well-known in fundie snarker circles, but his "ministry" of abuse needs to be spread far and wide.

Edited December 23, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[SMama]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

No, the Plaths are run of the mill IFB. They are actually good friends of JillRod.

Nurie was a bridesmaid at the older Plath daughter’s wedding. Ethan, the oldest Plath son, has allegedly stated that Jill wanted to pair him with Nurie. Check out Ethan and Olivia Plath (his wife). No way Ethan was going to go for Nurie.

Edited December 23, 2021 by SMama

[emmawoodhouse]

Right. I read Ethan's post about Nurie. So glad Ethan slid out of Jill's grasp and is living a freer life now.

[SMama]

16 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Right. I read Ethan's post about Nurie. So glad Ethan slid out of Jill's grasp and is living a freer life now.

Was Jill aggressive on her approach? I have not read Ethan’s post. Do you have a link or could you provide context?

I have nothing against Nurie, but I understand Ethan taking a hard pass. BME and GWE are scary in laws. 

[ChiCricket]

On 12/20/2021 at 1:28 PM, CalicoKitty said:

I also will have to wait for people to give a synopsis.  I cannot get my browser to cooperate.

When an incognito window doesn't work, try this:

 copy the pertinent link, which in this case was:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2021-12-19/josh-duggar-trial-19-kids-and-counting-tlc

and then paste the copy  into the red search bar here:

http://archive.today/

which says "My url is alive and I want to archive its content" 

the article will then usually load after you hit enter. 😊

I use this whenever I hit a paywall. (so far, so good)  🤞 

Edited December 23, 2021 by ChiCricket

[lascuba]

The producers of the LulaRich Documentary are working on a docuseries about IBLP, and they'll discuss the Duggars, Bates, and Plaths.

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/duggars-documentary-investigative-series-amazon-lularich-1235142307/
 

Quote

 

“On the heels of Josh Duggar’s explosive criminal trial, the untitled project will expose shocking connections between some of reality television’s most famous large families and The Institute in Basic Life Principles, a controversial fundamentalist organization and homeschooling empire. In addition, prominent commentators, writers, and social media voices will explore the broader zeitgeist of reality television, social media, faith, fundamentalism, patriarchy, and power.”

The filmmakers’ investigation into the Institute in Basic Life Principles and the Duggars will also focus on two other large reality TV families: the Plaths, of TLC’s “Welcome to Plathville,” and the Bates, of UpTV’s “Bringing Up Bates.”

 

Trying not to get my hopes up, but I'll be thrilled if this does to IBLP in general and those families in particular what it did to Lularoe.

[SJC]

16 hours ago, Zella said:

Ugh hate we have to wait so long, but it looks promising. Per the article, it will focus on the Duggar, Plath, and Bates families. 

 

Uhhh huhhh

[Rabbittron]

Maybe you can help me out I was wondering if TLC knew that they were canceling the show and that is why they had the Easter show on going back to being the religious show that was the way their show started counting on first. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Duggar girls' trial will be held in April.

[CherryMalotte]

I will order Amazon Prime just for this.

[BigBingerBro]

EXCLUSIVE! Duggar Sisters Say They’ll Need Lifelong Therapy Plan Due To Release of Molestation Docs; Won’t Seek Lost Wages Due to How Little They Were Payed for “19 Kids & Counting”

[Minivanessa]

"Payed"?

[Absolom]

4 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

"Payed"?

That and perused instead of pursued.  

[Cinnabon]

22 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

EXCLUSIVE! Duggar Sisters Say They’ll Need Lifelong Therapy Plan Due To Release of Molestation Docs; Won’t Seek Lost Wages Due to How Little They Were Payed for “19 Kids & Counting”

Why are they still referring to these now grown women as “girls?” One of my pet peeves. 

And this is BS - I do hope they all get the therapy they need, for as long as they need it, but I honestly don’t think they really want it OR plan on actually getting it. Wouldn’t they have done so before now?

“While the girls aren’t seeking lost wages, they are seeking enough money so that they can have a “life care plan” put together and get into therapy to recover from the emotional distress the scandal caused.

The Ashley can exclusive reveal that, during a Status Conference held back in April, one of the attorneys representing the Duggar girls stated that it was not even worth the trouble for the girls to seek lost wages, since they were paid so little for appearing on “19 Kids & Counting” and its spin-off Counting On.”

[Cinnabon]

It’s very telling that they’re seeking damages only for therapy costs instead of suing Josh for molesting them or JB for not protecting them as it happened over and over. And, they seem to be saying that the abuse itself wasn’t traumatic enough to seek therapy for, but the outing of the abuse by the media WAS. I feel like they’re still not seeing the whole picture. 

[Absolom]

That or the lawyer thinks they can get more money into a therapy fund than any other way.  Can anyone see Jessa going to real therapy?

[Churchhoney]

8 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

It’s very telling that they’re seeking damages only for therapy costs instead of suing Josh for molesting them or JB for not protecting them as it happened over and over. And, they seem to be saying that the abuse itself wasn’t traumatic enough to seek therapy for, but the outing of the abuse by the media WAS. I feel like they’re still not seeing the whole picture. 

Well, you know, JB can't get any money from JB, or from Josh, so he's gotta get money from somebody. So it has to be the insufficient redactors. 

And as for the chances of that money going to therapy for J, J, J, and J.....Well, that'd be a good idea, but I expect it might also be a cold day in hell. 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Churchhoney

[irisheyes]

1 hour ago, BigBingerBro said:

EXCLUSIVE! Duggar Sisters Say They’ll Need Lifelong Therapy Plan Due To Release of Molestation Docs; Won’t Seek Lost Wages Due to How Little They Were Payed for “19 Kids & Counting”

OMG, the writing is so bad. It’s like my 3rd graders wrote it. 🤣🤣

[Rabbittron]

If they get any money I want it to go right to the therapist. 

[Cinnabon]

19 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

If they get any money I want it to go right to the therapist. 

JB is the one who should really be paying for his daughters’ therapy, not the taxpayers. 

[Zella]

I never really thought this lawsuit had much merit--and the fact the number of people and entities being sued have shrunken so dramatically further confirmed it for me--but nothing in that article made it look more feasible. I suspect if they don't settle, they're not getting anything, and if I was the other party, I wouldn't be inclined to settle with them. 

When this news originally broke, there were a fair number of think pieces on/in AR news channels/news papers about whether the report was improperly redacted, and from what I recall, everyone said that the material was redacted according to law. The names and pronouns were blacked out. That was all that was required.

It's unfortunate that the parental names and ages allowed people to correctly guess who the victims were, and I do have sympathy for the Duggar daughters being outed against their will as molestation victims, but I don't think they have a viable lawsuit against anyone. The laws aren't designed with the assumption that your parents have so thoroughly violated your privacy by making you a reality TV personality as a child that random strangers can identify you through a report that is almost unreadable at points due to the redactions. 

In fact, the fact that the one victim who was not a family member has still never been publicly identified is a pretty good indication to me that the redactions would have been adequate if not for the Duggars' fame. 

I think it's worthwhile to have a conversation about whether the laws need to go further in what needs to be redacted as technology makes it easier to disseminate this information, but really, I think the primary people to blame here are Jim Bob and Michelle rather than anyone who is actually being sued. 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Zella

[merylinkid]

11 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

he Ashley can exclusive reveal that, during a Status Conference held back in April, one of the attorneys representing the Duggar girls stated that it was not even worth the trouble for the girls to seek lost wages, since they were paid so little for appearing on “19 Kids & Counting” and its spin-off Counting On.”

Because JB kept all the money that show made, and from all the other deals connected to the show in order to financially control his children.   Why we need Coogan laws for reality shows.   Although some of them were adults when the show was cancelled as a result of the allegations.   but TLC was too freaking lazy to do separate contracts with the adults.  The adults, other than JB, never knew they could have separate contracts thanks to be kept as intellectual children by JB.    So this is on TLC too why the adults have no separate lost wages.