Party of One: Unpopular TV Opinions

[Anduin]

4 hours ago, Blergh said:

As hokey and often simplistic the 1979-80 version of Battlestar Galactica was, I liked it much better than the depressing, broody and boot-deep 2005-2009 version. Why the former version didn't even make it one season while the latter lasted for four years, I will NEVER understand!  I couldn't even make it through one of the latter show's episodes. 

I never watched the original. But the modern version was in that indefinable way, good. I'm not going to tell you to give it another chance. Just that despite the depressing and broodiness, I really liked it.

[DoctorAtomic]

I really liked when SciFi reaired BSG the next day and Moore did commentary. You learn a ton about making a tv show. 

[Bastet]

I regret not watching BSG (the reboot; I have zero interest in the original) when it was on.  Friends tried to tell me I would like it despite not liking sci-fi - "it's a character/political drama that just happens to be set in space; it's mission is to not be typical sci-fi" - but I didn't give it a shot, despite the presence of Mary McDonnell, who is one of my favorite actors.  I finally bought the whole series on Blu-Ray a few years ago and loved it, but it would have been fun to watch and discuss it in real time.  Because that's a show that lends itself to very interesting discussion.

[meep.meep]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

And coming on as a TV Star Wars I doubt if Lucas himself could have made a successful Battlestar Galactica show reusing the same stock space dogfights week after week.

But mostly it was the stupid robot dog.  And the adorable moppet.

Although it was progressive - they had two black guys!  Tighe and Boomer.

[DoctorAtomic]

Overall, BSG was objectively good. It had some clunkers, and I think that stemmed from extended episode orders. It's really a ten episode season show. 

They kind of painted themselves into a corner with the twelve models but I think they got out of it in a clever way. 

I still love Balthar and Six looking at each other all wtf - You can see them?! 

33 is arguably one of the best scifi TV episodes. 

They also really struck the right balance with the techno babble. 

[SmithW6079]

1 hour ago, Bastet said:

I regret not watching BSG (the reboot; I have zero interest in the original) when it was on.  Friends tried to tell me I would like it despite not liking sci-fi - "it's a character/political drama that just happens to be set in space; it's mission is to not be typical sci-fi" - but I didn't give it a shot, despite the presence of Mary McDonnell, who is one of my favorite actors.  I finally bought the whole series on Blu-Ray a few years ago and loved it, but it would have been fun to watch and discuss it in real time.  Because that's a show that lends itself to very interesting discussion.

I remember those discussions on the old TWoP boards. They were really good, and, if I recall, usually without the rancor that makes up so much debate and discussion these days. They would go on for pages and pages [and so did Jacob's recaps, the point where they were novellas (increasingly excruciatingly pretentious novellas)].

[AstaCharles]

1 hour ago, meep.meep said:

But mostly it was the stupid robot dog.  

I loved that robot dog..it was the only toy I bought out of that franchise's toy line. 

My unpopular opinion, was that I'd rather watch the cheesy BSG than The Waltons or Little House on the Prairie. I found them incredibly dull.

[Enigma X]

My UO is that I prefer original recipe Starbuck. I also found new BSG tried to be too deep by the end. I like deep when it seems effortless. I enjoyed the earlier new BSG more than the last two seasons. 

[Mabinogia]

I never had any interest in the new Battlestar Galactica and yet I loved the prequel Caprica which I assume is an UO since it didn't last very long. 

[DoctorAtomic]

It did get to be a little much by the end, but I think that's partly of the painting into the corner. 

They had good actors, who seemed just like nice people. 

It's an interesting show. I like Farscape way way better because I like weird aliens and just the batshit. But I liked the take on playing BSG straight, so to speak. 

[ouinason]

Playing it straight, BSG.

Playing it for laughs, Farscape.

Playing it for WTF crazy, Lexx.

[Anduin]

There's room to love many different space operas. Isn't it wonderful?

[ouinason]

Terribly unpopular opinion... The Office and Parks and Rec were not funny.

[SmithW6079]

3 hours ago, Enigma X said:

My UO is that I prefer original recipe Starbuck. I also found new BSG tried to be too deep by the end. I like deep when it seems effortless. I enjoyed the earlier new BSG more than the last two seasons. 

Out of its four seasons, nu-BSG had 2 1/2 good ones. I think after the colonials escaped from New Caprica that the show turned into a mess. 

This is still one of my favorite scenes. Gives me chills every time.

 

[DoctorAtomic]

Oh I'm totally fine with Lexx. tbh the third season is some solid high concept scifi. 

And then Gigerota being the pope was funny af. 

[Kel Varnsen]

13 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Space: Above and Beyond was another show that was killed by FOX.  Mainly because the creators of the show were two X Files producers.  In 1996, X Files was FOX's jewel in the crown so they wanted their producers back. (And I know that for a FACT)  Not only did FOX cancel Space: Above and Beyond, they basically hid it away, probably because someone realized that if anybody watched it, they'd question any network's sanity for canceling it. 

Space: Above and Beyond was to me, an early version of Battlestar Galactica. 

I remember watching that show, I watched a bunch of episodes when it first came out then I watched the whole series on DVD probably around 2005. From what I remember from the rewatch was that it was a great concept (WWII in space with space ships that don't try to fly like airplanes) but the season was super uneven with some great episodes and some super crappy ones. I also remember that it must have cost a fortune with all that mid 90s CGI to the point where it probably had to be a hit to even be able to stay on TV.

3 hours ago, ouinason said:

Playing it for WTF crazy, Lexx.

I totally forget that was a show. I never actually watched it, the only thing I remember about that one was if, on Canadian TV if you were ever channel surfing and found that show on one of the French channels it was sometimes a European version with nudity.

[Hiyo]

Quote

and so did Jacob's recaps, the point where they were novellas (increasingly excruciatingly pretentious novellas)

Jacob's recaps were the WORST. Not just for BSG, but in general.

I actually liked BSG all the way to the end...yes, even the final season and the finale itself as well.

Edited June 22, 2020 by Hiyo

[Haleth]

11 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

33 is arguably one of the best scifi TV episodes. 

Fixed that for you.

As great at BSG was, The Expanse is even better.  

[Anduin]

2 hours ago, Haleth said:

Fixed that for you.

As great at BSG was, The Expanse is even better.  

Funny. I like the first two books. I've browsed the wiki and flipped through the RPG. I like the clips I've seen of the show. But I've never felt the desire to actually watch it.

[Raja]

8 minutes ago, Anduin said:

Funny. I like the first two books. I've browsed the wiki and flipped through the RPG. I like the clips I've seen of the show. But I've never felt the desire to actually watch it.

Back when Stargate Universe was on I made the comment that the Stargate franchise was not just SF but a hybrid military SF franchise and Universe got the military all wrong where as on SG-1 the military part felt right.

As a TV show the NuBattlestar Galatica came off as hard military SF. More what we think it would really look like given the genocide of their society . Back on the original show one of the first episodes was visiting a casino planet with life going on as normal. It would be like today any android/robot show has a sexbot episode pushed forward out of order by the network to get sex on the air as soon as possible. Now the WWII fighter combat of the warriors flying Vipers against Cylon Raiders might be wrong but  the military interactions among the crew felt like a real working ship which was also a thing in Space: Above and Beyond. Where as the original BSG just had the Star Wars fighters.

The Expanse is more hard SF with military veteran characters but the physics of their space travel and combat feels right just like the human interactions of the NuBSG miniseries  felt right.

[peachmangosteen]

I watched BSG a few years ago since so many people I know loved it. I thought it was fine. I certainly never got that into it. I think though that if I had watched it as it aired I would have been obsessed. It's a show that it'd be fun to talk about every week.

I didn't even know there was a prequel lol. It doesn't seem to be streaming though. I did look up Lexx and it's on Tubi so maybe I'll think about checking it out.

I meant to watch The Expanse but then I never did lol. 

[Haleth]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

The Expanse is more hard SF with military veteran characters but the physics of their space travel and combat feels right just like the human interactions of the NuBSG miniseries  felt right.

For me the appeal of the first season was the four strangers thrown together who overcome cultural differences to make a family. It’s a political drama and it’s a noirish mystery. But it’s mostly about Avasarala’s fabulous saris and jewelry. 😄

[DoctorAtomic]

I wasn't obsessed with BSG but I did enjoy watching every week and talking about it at the old place. It certainly was a unique show airing at the time. I mean, it wasn't Farscape.

2 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I did look up Lexx and it's on Tubi so maybe I'll think about checking it out.

There's 4 tv movies, and 4 seasons of the tv show. It's ridiculous and absurd at times, but I recommend it. Not all scifi needs to be serious and ponderous. I'll give them credit, the whole Shadow concept is interesting. And I loved Brigadoom.

[proserpina65]

23 hours ago, meep.meep said:

But mostly it was the stupid robot dog.  And the adorable moppet.

Although it was progressive - they had two black guys!  Tighe and Boomer.

The robot and moppet were annoying, but the interplay between Starbuck, Apollo and Boomer were worth the effort for me.  And the line between good and evil wasn't always so distinctly defined, especially later in the season with Baltar.

I had no interest in the reboot, still have no interest, and will never have any.  I don't always object to dark, bleak and political, but that wasn't what Battlestar Galactica was to me, and seeing it that way is a dealbreaker for me.

21 hours ago, SmithW6079 said:

They would go on for pages and pages [and so did Jacob's recaps, the point where they were novellas (increasingly excruciatingly pretentious novellas)].

That was what happened to all of Jacob's recaps.  The last season he did American Idol recaps was the longest couple of months of my life.

21 hours ago, Enigma X said:

My UO is that I prefer original recipe Starbuck. I also found new BSG tried to be too deep by the end. I like deep when it seems effortless. I enjoyed the earlier new BSG more than the last two seasons. 

Reboot Starbuck was why I never started watching the reboot.  If it's not Dirk Benedict, it's not Starbuck to me.

 

[peachmangosteen]

I actually hated Starbuck on NuBSG. Although, I think it was mainly because of the actress. I found her nearly unwatchable.

[SmithW6079]

3 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I actually hated Starbuck on NuBSG. Although, I think it was mainly because of the actress. I found her nearly unwatchable.

I think they tried too hard to show she was a hard-ass fighter jock, just any other macho dickhead.

I will add this about Jacob's recaps: one line has stuck with me after all these years (assuming I'm remembering correctly). I think it's the episode where Apollo and Starbuck start kissing, aggressive and almost feral, and Jacob says: "There are hands, and they are angry hands."

Is "Lexx" the sci-fi show that had giant insects (or something that looked like them) as spaceships or flying machines or something? I think I watched maybe one season of it. If it's on Tubi, I might have to check it out again. (If you can accept Tubi's limitations, with oddball show selections and commercial interruptions that don't follow any logical placement, it's not a bad streaming service. I was able to watch "Space: 1999" there.) 

 

Edited June 23, 2020 by SmithW6079

[DoctorAtomic]

28 minutes ago, SmithW6079 said:

Is "Lexx" the sci-fi show that had giant insects (or something that looked like them) as spaceships or flying machines or something?

27 minutes ago, SmithW6079 said:

I think they tried too hard to show she was a hard-ass fighter jock, just any other macho dickhead. 

Agreed. Not necessarily the actor's fault. I think she was directed to be over the top. At the end I think they were too coy about her being the angel. I get they didn't want to just tell the audience but you knew something was up. 

The Lexx is a living ship that's basically a big dragonfly. It eats planets. 

[roamyn]

I hated that they made Starbucks a woman and Boomer a Cylon.

Plus the original Cylons were cool with that red eye and metallic voice “By Your Command”.  Tighe, Boomer, Apollo, Starbuck, Cassie, Adama, Baltar, Jolly, and Greenbean were great characters.  Athena was a dud, as was the doctor IMO.

[juno]

My latest UO is the moment when a show gets bad, I mean really bad. I have spent hours loving this show then suddenly I am hate watching the show, I have tried 3, 4, 5 episodes and it has become unwatchable. My UO is I would rather leave and enjoy the past than stick around and hate what I am watching.

It is hard, like addiction hard to say goodbye, but I decided not to hate watch anymore. A few examples for myself:

1. Chicago Fire
2. 911
3. Suits (ended)
4. A Million Little Things
5. The Good Fight
6. *Billions (just happened, show has become unwatchable)

 

 

[festivus]

I can't do the hate watch thing anymore. I hate watched Smallville for at least 5 years out of the 10, but I was still getting enjoyment out of it even if it was nothing more than yelling at the TV which was sorta fun. Now, no way. When Walking Dead started getting so bad I hung in there for a while but then I was like nope, byeee. Can't do it anymore.

[Annber03]

I've never hate-watched something. I just don't think I could do it. I very much get people wanting to stick with a show to the end if it's one they'd been following since the beginning and whatnot, even if they don't like it anymore. It would be tough to just completely drop something you used to love, even if you personally know it'd probably be the best thing to do.

But I dunno, at the same time, life is just too short for me to want to keep watching something I couldn't stand anymore. Plus, in this day and age, with spoilers and episode guides and whatnot all over the place, there's always ways to keep tabs on what's happening with a show, or check out how it ends, if you are still curious despite not watching anymore. 

Plus, for the people who are still watching and still do enjoy the show to some degree, even if they agree with some of the criticisms people make about it, at some point having someone hanging around and doing nothing but constantly dumping on the show can suck the fun out of it for everyone else, or can make discussion, be it positive or negative, harder. It's one thing to criticize a show-no series is perfect after all, criticism should be allowed. It's another entirely, though, to just keep hammering home the same gripes over and over again and getting increasingly bitter about it.

[Bastet]

I stuck with Moonlighting, every episode of seasons four and five ranging from mediocre to godsawful with some scattered classic moments, to see the series through because I had once loved it beyond reason.  To what end?  To watch a lackluster finale with characters who were shadows of their former selves.

That experience permanently cured me of any need to be a completionist come what may.  From then on, I walked away from several shows I'd once loved once I was consistently unhappy with them and didn't have any reason to think that would change.  People still sometimes try to persuade me to watch later seasons of X,Y,Z shows, but - nope. 

Even with The X-Files, where the bloom gradually came off the rose starting somewhere in season five, and I checked out entirely somewhere in the latter half of season seven, yet went to the midnight showing of the post-series movie and then watched seasons 10 and 11.  I get some incredulous "you're STILL not going to watch 8 and 9"?  No, I'm not.  Nothing anyone, anywhere, in all I've read - and this is a show with lots of internet commentary over the last 20 years - has made me think I'd enjoy it.  I have no interest in spending my time watching something just to pontificate on all the ways it sucks.

[kathyk2]

2 hours ago, Bastet said:

I stuck with Moonlighting, every episode of seasons four and five ranging from mediocre to godsawful with some scattered classic moments, to see the series through because I had once loved it beyond reason.  To what end?  To watch a lackluster finale with characters who were shadows of their former selves.

That experience permanently cured me of any need to be a completionist come what may.  From then on, I walked away from several shows I'd once loved once I was consistently unhappy with them and didn't have any reason to think that would change.  People still sometimes try to persuade me to watch later seasons of X,Y,Z shows, but - nope. 

Even with The X-Files, where the bloom gradually came off the rose starting somewhere in season five, and I checked out entirely somewhere in the latter half of season seven, yet went to the midnight showing of the post-series movie and then watched seasons 10 and 11.  I get some incredulous "you're STILL not going to watch 8 and 9"?  No, I'm not.  Nothing anyone, anywhere, in all I've read - and this is a show with lots of internet commentary over the last 20 years - has made me think I'd enjoy it.  I have no interest in spending my time watching something just to pontificate on all the ways it sucks.

I watched every episode of the X-Files until the reveal that Samantha Mulder was dead all along. Mulder's search for his sister drew me to the show. I thought it would have been a nice reward to reunite them after putting Mulder and Scully through hell. It also would have been interesting to see two people who are related to each other but are strangers.

[peachmangosteen]

I used to hang onto shows all the way through even when they got boring or enraging but I usually don't feel the need to do that anymore. I think it was probably HIMYM that cured me of it. Wasting 9 years on that shit changed me lol.

[BlackberryJam]

I'm a big fan of dropping a show, but coming back to watch the final episode, just so I know how it ends. That was me with Lost. I gave up on the mid-S3, so I was able to absolutely enjoy the finale. 

I stopped watching Dexter when Charlotte Rampling was trying to make the serial killing not Dexter's fault. I came back for that finale and have regretted every moment of it. 

I wouldn't say I hate-watch anything, but I enjoy a good "trash-watch." Harper's Island was terrible, but I loved watching it every week and giggling about who was going to get killed next. Also, now that I've seen No Offence I have a greater appreciation for Abby Mills, but how I miss Hot Fisherman. 

Also, I don't know if this is unpopular or not, but I unequivocally love Callum Keith Rennie in everything and want his character to win/live/succeed. I loved Leoben. I loved John Wakefield. I loved Karl Malus. I'll be watching something and Callum will show up, even as a tertiary character and I'm all, "I want that guy to get away with the murder/come out on top/have a main love interest." I think I fell in love with him as some rando in Highlander: The Series.

Also, in Highlander: The Series, Methos was a thousand times more likeable than Duncan MacLeod. 

[Enigma X]

If people choose to hate-watch a show that is their prerogative. I personally don't have that energy. I also won't mess it up for the people still enjoying the show and take over a forum with my discontent. This is why I peaced out on the Walking Dead years ago.

In a similar vein, I don't get people who announce they are leaving a forum within the forum repeatedly. I get doing it once, to get it off your chest, and then actually leaving. I dont even do that though.

[Irlandesa]

I only hate watch if there's something I still absolutely love.  There were a lot of elements I loved about Smash, for instance.  So even though so much of the storytelling choices enraged me, and I considered myself hate watching it, there were things I didn't want to miss (Ivy, the songs...etc.)

 

[festivus]

35 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

I wouldn't say I hate-watch anything, but I enjoy a good "trash-watch." Harper's Island was terrible, but I loved watching it every week and giggling about who was going to get killed next.

I loved that show! Yeah, trash-watching I can get behind.

 

37 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

I'm a big fan of dropping a show, but coming back to watch the final episode, just so I know how it ends. That was me with Lost. I gave up on the mid-S3, so I was able to absolutely enjoy the finale. 

Meanwhile, I've been known to drop a show with just a few episodes to go, sometimes with just one. X-Files I'm talkin bout you.

I think the last thing I hate watched to end was Vampire Diaries. No more, I don't even have time to watch shows I like these days.

[Zella]

Rather than hate-watching, I usually hate-read recaps after I stop watching because I still am nosy and want to know but don't want to watch. Did that for years with The Walking Dead and Outlander before even that got too annoying. LOL

I think the closest I came to hate-watching was sticking with Victoria after seasons 1 and 2. But it wasn't a huge time commitment, and it was still entertaining in spots. I guess I was driven more by morbid curiosity about how much worse it could get. (That and I watched it with my grandma, and we had fun bonding over shared WTF moments.) Oh and I can't understate how much I was driven by the hope I'd see more David Oakes. 

[DearEvette]

5 minutes ago, Enigma X said:

If people choose to hate-watch a show that is their prerogative. I personally don't have that energy. I also won't mess it up for the people still enjoying the show and take over a forum with my discontent. This is why I peaced out on the Walking Dead years ago.

Yeah, I am not a hate-watcher.  I am a hope-watcher.  If the show is bad or going down the tubes but there is still something about it I like, I will watch it in the hopes  it will get better.  If I really no longer enjoy anything about it and find myself just ragging on it, I'll just stop.  Too many other possible good shows to find and enjoy.

I actually don't continue to post in forums where I have reached a tipping point in a show where I find I have more negative things to say than anything constructive where I can add to a discussion about the show. 

Conversely, if I am still enjoying a show where the show forum is mostly negative I also no longer participate.  Sometimes I just don't have the energy to swim against the tide.

[andromeda331]

That's something I've been doing the last few years. Before then I used to watch a show from beginning to end no matter how much I disliked or even hated the show. I used to hope that a show would get better, think well some shows have bad seasons and then get better, I had watched from the beginning and once really loved the show, or slugging through all the crap for the few characters I still really liked. It was really hard to quit a show I used to really love and realize it was never going to be that show again. Watching season six Once Upon a Time ended up being the show that cured me of all that. I didn't know why I was watching when I knew I'd hate every episode, every storyline and they'd drop most of them anyways and I was tired of watching characters I did love get crapped on or barely on. I dropped the show and then started dropping other shows I hated for a long time. I really wish I had done it so much sooner. There's so many shows I wish I had dropped so much sooner. Sure I'm watching a lot more reruns but their reruns of shows I love.

[DoctorAtomic]

57 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

I think I fell in love with him as some rando in Highlander: The Series.

That's where I first saw him. Whenever he pops up in the credits, you know you're going to get a memorable character. He was even on Californication iirc as an awful guy but the character was a real, 3D person.

57 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

Also, in Highlander: The Series, Methos was a thousand times more likeable than Duncan MacLeod. 

To be fair, Duncan lives by an honor code that was trendy when he was a teenager. I liked them both. Also, to be fair, I don't think Methos works at the start without Duncan. It's the contrast that is interesting, and what I think lead to a great season 5, as Duncan realized he wasn't the boy scout he thought he was. Methos also recognized that Duncan was 'too important to lose'. You really would rather have a Duncan winning the prize.

I loved when Duncan was on his high horse and ranting to Joe, telling him he doesn't 'know what it's like,' and Joe spits back - yeah I do. Vietnam. And shuts him right up.

Aside - checkout 'Evening at Joe's' for more Methos. It's written by show writers so you're getting a really good take on the character.

Methos was my mbtv name!

20 minutes ago, Enigma X said:

I also won't mess it up for the people still enjoying the show and take over a forum with my discontent.

I think they should have a separate, hate-watch thread. Not that any thread should all be pro-show, but you can tell when it's getting out of hand.

Edited June 23, 2020 by DoctorAtomic

[Ohiopirate02]

16 minutes ago, Zella said:

Rather than hate-watching, I usually hate-read recaps after I stop watching because I still am nosy and want to know but don't want to watch. Did that for years with The Walking Dead and Outlander before even that got too annoying. LOL

I think the closest I came to hate-watching was sticking with Victoria after seasons 1 and 2. But it wasn't a huge time commitment, and it was still entertaining in spots. I guess I was driven more by morbid curiosity about how much worse it could get. (That and I watched it with my grandma, and we had fun bonding over shared WTF moments.) Oh and I can't understate how much I was driven by the hope I'd see more David Oakes. 

The Fug Girls recaps of Outlander are hilarious in themselves.  I have never watched an episode of Outlander and will never, but I do read those recaps for laughs.  I can't watch a show where every character gets raped and the female protagonist has a magic vagina that can cure the hero of his PTSD and apparently in the latest season a snakebite.  

[Crs97]

I tend to read recaps and then decide whether to watch the show so that I avoid wasting my time if I don’t like where a storyline is going.  Luckily, I don’t mind getting spoiled ahead of time.

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The Fug Girls recaps of Outlander are hilarious in themselves.  I have never watched an episode of Outlander and will never, but I do read those recaps for laughs.  I can't watch a show where every character gets raped and the female protagonist has a magic vagina that can cure the hero of his PTSD and apparently in the latest season a snakebite.  

Those are really good!

I honest to God tried with Outlander because so many of my friends love it. I read the first book and hated that and watched the first season of the show and my reaction was a giant Meh. I couldn't stand either of the main characters. (Though I do like the actors. I enjoyed watching interviews with them way more than I ever did the show. LOL) I would have watched a show that focused on the supporting characters because I found them a good deal more interesting than anything that ever happened with Jamie and Claire. 

 

4 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

I tend to read recaps and then decide whether to watch the show so that I avoid wasting my time if I don’t like where a storyline is going.  Luckily, I don’t mind getting spoiled ahead of time.

I don't mind some spoilers and will sometimes read reviews to see if I want to watch a show. Incidentally, I accidentally spoiled Outlander for someone on some forum because I mentioned Culloden and just guessed it didn't end well for a lot of characters. Someone got really mad at me, but I've never really thought you could spoil history. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[GHScorpiosRule]

7 minutes ago, Zella said:

I accidentally spoiled Outlander for someone on some forum because I mentioned Culloden and just guessed it didn't end well for a lot of characters. Someone got really mad at me, but I've never really thought you could spoil history. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

😅

[DoctorAtomic]

11 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I can't watch a show where every character gets raped and the female protagonist has a magic vagina that can cure the hero of his PTSD and apparently in the latest season a snakebite. 

To be technically correct, she cured the snakebite with a handjob. We were all like 'wait - what just happened?' 

7 minutes ago, Zella said:

I would have watched a show that focused on the supporting characters because I found them a good deal more interesting than anything that ever happened with Jamie and Claire.

Oh, they are. The big discussion was what happened with Ian and why Fergus isn't getting more to do because getting his wife pregnant.

The show is actually good when they are dealing with 'future history'. But I lost count of how many times Claire got in trouble for mouthing off.

 

[BlackberryJam]

17 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:

That's where I first saw him. Whenever he pops up in the credits, you know you're going to get a memorable character. He was even on Californication iirc as an awful guy but the character was a real, 3D person.

To be fair, Duncan lives by an honor code that was trendy when he was a teenager. I liked them both. Also, to be fair, I don't think Methos works at the start without Duncan. It's the contrast that is interesting, and what I think lead to a great season 5, as Duncan realized he wasn't the boy scout he thought he was. Methos also recognized that Duncan was 'too important to lose'. You really would rather have a Duncan winning the prize.

I loved when Duncan was on his high horse and ranting to Joe, telling him he doesn't 'know what it's like,' and Joe spits back - yeah I do. Vietnam. And shuts him right up.

Aside - checkout 'Evening at Joe's' for more Methos. It's written by show writers so you're getting a really good take on the character.

Methos was my mbtv name!

I think they should have a separate, hate-watch thread. Not that any thread should all be pro-show, but you can tell when it's getting out of hand.

I remember Callum Keith Rennie as Second Henchman from the Left in X-Files, that's how good he is. You're right, whenever I see him, I know that the character has a full backstory, reasoning for his actions, and you can see all of that in his eyes. 

But...MacLeod had that trashy douchey ponytail and Methos was cynically hot. I loved the Chivalry episode and it's on my list of, "TV episodes to rewatch when I'm home sick." I'll check Evening at Joe's out.

Count me as someone who thinks the constant trashing of a show on an active message board is just ruining it for everyone else. I loved S4-7 of Game of Thrones, and the first 3.5 episodes of S8, but talk about a toxic fandom. Everyone had their favs, and I was firmly on the side of hot Jaime Lannister, but the fighting between Jon and Dany fans made me want to run to anywhere I could talk about the show but not talk about those two.

Also...spoiling history, when Rome was on, I might have mentioned something about Brutus being key in the future slaying of Caesar and was told, "No, not Brutus, he isn't that kind of guy." Bwhahah. 

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10 minutes ago, Zella said:

I don't mind some spoilers and will sometimes read reviews to see if I want to watch a show. Incidentally, I accidentally spoiled Outlander for someone on some forum because I mentioned Culloden and just guessed it didn't end well for a lot of characters. Someone got really mad at me, but I've never really thought you could spoil history. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I did read the first few books, and how could you spoil Culloden.  The whole premise of the second book is Jamie and Claire trying to stop Culloden from happening.  Again, I have not watched the show, but that had to be the premise of season 2.  That and Claire's magical vagina curing Jamie from his PTSD from season one.  

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4 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I did read the first few books, and how could you spoil Culloden.  The whole premise of the second book is Jamie and Claire trying to stop Culloden from happening.  Again, I have not watched the show, but that had to be the premise of season 2.  That and Claire's magical vagina curing Jamie from his PTSD from season one.  

I could have sworn they even mentioned it in season 1 too. It seemed like a weird thing to flip out about. 

5 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:

To be technically correct, she cured the snakebite with a handjob. We were all like 'wait - what just happened?' 

 

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Oh, they are. The big discussion was what happened with Ian and why Fergus isn't getting more to do because getting his wife pregnant.

The show is actually good when they are dealing with 'future history'. But I lost count of how many times Claire got in trouble for mouthing off.

 

I never found Claire believable as a WWII character either. I also thought her backstory made no sense because I've read a lot about the history of nursing during that time period. And why were her and Frank demobilized before the war ended in the novel?!?! That distracted me to no end. 

But I would have watched the shit out of a show about Jamie's sister trying to run an estate during the 1700s. Or about the relationship between Dougal and Colum. Or even about the run-up to Culloden because I enjoy Scottish accents as much as the next person. 

Edited June 23, 2020 by Zella