S06.E03: Horsing Around

[swankie]

What's Lisa on?

 

 

Lisa is under the impression that people get turned on by her little sexual innuendos and doesn't realize that the last thing anyone wants to hear about or picture in their mind is her and Ken doing the nasty.  Don't get me wrong, it's great if they still have great sex, I just don't want to hear about it every time they're in the same room together and I certainly could have lived the rest of my life without the visual of her and Ken chomping on each other's nether regions.  Ugh!

 

That push is disturbing. I'd be surprised if Ken did not wake up with more than the usual aches and pains. What a stupid dangerous move.

 

 

I totally agree.  Watching that gif over and over you can see that he landed on that concrete with his brand new hips.  From the way his head sank into the water it looks like he might have also had the wind knocked out of him for a second.  I hope whoever did that was chastised mercilessly.

Edited December 19, 2015 by swankie

[WireWrap]

Lisa is under the impression that people get turned on by her little sexual innuendos and doesn't realize that the last thing anyone wants to hear about or picture in their mind is her and Ken doing the nasty.  Don't get me wrong, it's great if they still have great sex, I just don't want to hear about it every time they're in the same room together and I certainly could have lived the rest of my life without the visual of her and Ken chomping on each other's nether regions.  Ugh!

 

 

I totally agree.  Watching that gif over and over you can see that he landed on that concrete with his brand new hips.  From the way his head sank into the water it looks like he might have also had the wind knocked out of him for a second.  I hope whoever did that was chastised mercilessly.

I like Lisa and I have to admit, I don't mind her teasing Ken like she did. I am grateful that she doesn't go into detail though! LOL

[SCS]

This was a little funny...

Lisa always made these digs back when Taylor was a full-time cast member. Do you remember what the deal was: Lisa saw Taylor as a poseur from the beginning or Lisa being condescending because she could get away with it? Or maybe both ;)

[WireWrap]

Lisa always made these digs back when Taylor was a full-time cast member. Do you remember what the deal was: Lisa saw Taylor as a poseur from the beginning or Lisa being condescending because she could get away with it? Or maybe both ;)

It was because of Kyle. Kyle and Taylor bonded fast and Lisa was shut out for a while. Also, Taylor was the first to go against Lisa but it backfired against her and Camille turned on Taylor instead.

[zoeysmom]

I think the guy who pushed Ken in the pool, for lack of a better description, is Taylor's sometime escort/gay friend.  What a jackass.

[kokapetl]

OUCH!

That push is disturbing. I'd be surprised if Ken did not wake up with more than the usual aches and pains. What a stupid dangerous move.

What's Lisa on?

Such a violent shove.

[cooksdelight]

I'm sorry they didn't bring the pony home because I was really looking forward to them getting it onto the plane. And then seeing it interact with all of Lisa's dogs. And the swans.

Erika doesn't bother me. Yet.

I wish Yolonda had stepped out this season, because I do not want to watch an entire season of her with a needle in her arm. Or her steady diet of pills.

No more Taylor, please. I didn't recognize her husband, he looks totally different.

[WireWrap]

I think the guy who pushed Ken in the pool, for lack of a better description, is Taylor's sometime escort/gay friend.  What a jackass.

I saw Taylor's, husband, John, came to the party with her, did she also bring her side kick as well?

Edited December 19, 2015 by WireWrap

[motorcitymom65]

It was because of Kyle. Kyle and Taylor bonded fast and Lisa was shut out for a while. Also, Taylor was the first to go against Lisa but it backfired against her and Camille turned on Taylor instead.

All true. What I don't understand is that they seemed to have gotten to a good place. Lisa was at Taylor's wedding, which wasn't that long ago. She tweeted about it, said it was beautiful, that Taylor is in love and that she was so happy to see Taylor happy. It surprised me, because Lisa is not one to just go to events she doesn't want to attend. If she goes, it is because it is meaningful to her. Why now kind of trash Taylor? I hate to say it, but it just reminds me of how Lisa tends to react the way that benefits her with the audience. The audience hates Taylor and loves a joke at her expense and Lisa is aware of this. There are things that I love about Lisa, but I can never get past the feeling that she is always playing a role to a greater extent than the others.

Edited December 19, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[WireWrap]

All true. What I don't understand is that they seemed to have gotten to a good place. Lisa was at Taylor's wedding, which wasn't that long ago. She tweeted about it, said it was beautiful, that Taylor is in love and that she was so happy to see Taylor happy. It surprised me, because Lisa is not one to just go to events she doesn't want to attend. If she goes, it is because it is meaningful to her. Why now kind of trash Taylor? I hate to say it, but it just reminds me of how Lisa tends to react the way that benefits her with the audience. The audience hates Taylor and loves a joke at her expense and Lisa is aware of this. There are things that I love about Lisa, but I can never get past the feeling that she is always playing a role to a greater extent than the others.

I think Lisa's started to soften towards Taylor after the abuse became public knowledge and then R's death. I don't think she and Taylor are close but I do think Lisa wishes her well and is happy for her. I also think she knows that if Taylor lived close to her that Taylor would be calling on her far to often, LOL, I don't think Kyle would even want Taylor as a next door neighbor and they ARE friends. LOL

 

ETA...If Lisa were that concerned about viewer opinion, she would NOT have gone to the wedding IMO. Also, Lisa makes these types of jokes about ALL of them, including Kyle, Ken AND herself. LOL

Edited December 19, 2015 by WireWrap

[Emme]

Plus she has invested 15+ years in the relationship. Doesn't sound like the actions of a drive by grifter/goldigger.

Long con.

[ryebread]

Long con.

This made me laugh. Maybe it's true. But I think she loves him.

He was probably a handsome man when they met. Plus, money and power are strooong aphrodisiacs. I don't think that's a bad thing. Fifteen years later, he's looking a little long in the tooth, and she's not the same as when they met either. Plus, there's a mutual kink factor if he's down with her performance style.

I hope those 2 crazy kids are truly happy. Her hair looks stupid in this episode's THs, though.

[HunterHunted]

I saw Taylor's, husband, John, came to the party with her, did she also bring her side kick as well?

She did. There are a couple of full on shots of Dwight's face, Taylor's gay sidekick, from earlier in the party. They don't put a chyron with his name, but if you remember what he looks like it's obvious that it's him.

Edited December 19, 2015 by HunterHunted

[GreatKazu]

Dwight Coates, Taylor's friend:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Taylor+Armstrong/Dwight+Coates/Oxfam+America+Esquire+House+LA+Host+Oxfam/j1WT3lqLKzu

[sasha206]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3366561/Yolanda-Foster-feeling-RHOBH-reunion-amid-Lyme-disease-battle-star-reveals-regained-ability-write.html

 

Oh thank goodness!  She regained her ability to write!  And attend the reunion.  Must be those weekly hi colonics.

[NewDigs]

I think the guy who pushed Ken in the pool, for lack of a better description, is Taylor's sometime escort/gay friend.  What a jackass.

Dwight Coates, Taylor's friend:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Taylor+Armstrong/Dwight+Coates/Oxfam+America+Esquire+House+LA+Host+Oxfam/j1WT3lqLKzu

It sure looks like Dwight is the one who shoved Ken. That gif goes by so fast and it's hard to watch overandoverand...

He looks like one of the few in short sleeves but don't know if that will help determine the shover's identity. Looks like his hair.

What an asshole.

[heatherchandler]

I stand by my belief that if you find THE person accused of SH NOT guilty, then you can't find their boss's guilty either.... Also, why didn't this woman go to the partners when Ken/Lisa didn't correct the "problem" and why weren't they also named in the lawsuit?

This is from the locked first look thread (what happened to the first look??) but I was wondering, didn't Ken and Lisa have to pay some million dollar judgement? Why did I think it's that high?

Also, I have to say - when it comes to sexual harassment, whether you have been harassed or not, as an employer, you must take the allegations seriously. Even if the victim is a known liar, you must believe them- scary to think you won't be believed if you say someone is harassing you just because of a reputation.

The victim shouldn't have to keep going up the ladder to find someone to believe them! If you tell your boss about harassment, they need to take you seriously. I am sickened to think that Ken and Lisa dismissed her claims.

With this whole Kyle/Kathy/Kim broo-ha-ha, it feels almost fake to me. Now people magazine is reporting on it? That's the most celeb-friendly publication- they must have planted this story. Maybe for publicity? For Kyle's new show? I can't figure it out, but it has sticky fingerprints all over it.

Yolanda has no storyline. Why is she even on the show then? Lisa picking up or not picking up lame horses - uugh no thanks. As an animal lover myself I am sickened. These poor exploited animals, bred for amusement.

Actually, do any of them have a storyline? Let's go back to fabulous parties and house porn if there is no drama. That's ok with me.

[WireWrap]

This is from the locked first look thread (what happened to the first look??) but I was wondering, didn't Ken and Lisa have to pay some million dollar judgement? Why did I think it's that high?

Also, I have to say - when it comes to sexual harassment, whether you have been harassed or not, as an employer, you must take the allegations seriously. Even if the victim is a known liar, you must believe them- scary to think you won't be believed if you say someone is harassing you just because of a reputation.

The victim shouldn't have to keep going up the ladder to find someone to believe them! If you tell your boss about harassment, they need to take you seriously. I am sickened to think that Ken and Lisa dismissed her claims.

With this whole Kyle/Kathy/Kim broo-ha-ha, it feels almost fake to me. Now people magazine is reporting on it? That's the most celeb-friendly publication- they must have planted this story. Maybe for publicity? For Kyle's new show? I can't figure it out, but it has sticky fingerprints all over it.

Yolanda has no storyline. Why is she even on the show then? Lisa picking up or not picking up lame horses - uugh no thanks. As an animal lover myself I am sickened. These poor exploited animals, bred for amusement.

Actually, do any of them have a storyline? Let's go back to fabulous parties and house porn if there is no drama. That's ok with me.

They were ordered to pay around a million in punative damages, I believe . I haven't seen any court transcript to say for certain that they didn't investigate her SH claims or how they came to the conclusion the SH didn't happen. I just don't see Lisa/Ken risking a lawsuit out of arrogance or laziness but MMV for others.

If anyone was going to adopt a mini horse Lisa/Ken would be great choices IMO.

I agree, Yolanda is BORING!!!!!

Edited December 20, 2015 by WireWrap

[heatherchandler]

They were ordered to pay around a million in punative damages, I believe . I haven't seen any court transcript to say for certain that they didn't investigate her SH claims or how they came to the conclusion the SH didn't happen. I just don't see Lisa/Ken risking a lawsuit out of arrogance or laziness but MMV for others.

If anyone was going to adopt a mini horse Lisa/Ken would be great choices IMO.

I agree, Yolanda is BORING!!!!!

True on all of that! We don't know what actually happened with the court case.

They do seem to treat their animals well, and Lisa has that "rescue the wounded" thinking - I was hoping they would take that poor horse to save it.

I wonder if Andy and the gang realize that we are bored to tears with Yolanda. Why did they even sign her up for the season?

I used to be Lisa's biggest fan, well maybe not the biggest, but I liked her. But something turned. Maybe my intense dislike of Ken has clouded my view. I have been getting a wired vibe from the two of them lately.

[WireWrap]

True on all of that! We don't know what actually happened with the court case.

They do seem to treat their animals well, and Lisa has that "rescue the wounded" thinking - I was hoping they would take that poor horse to save it.

I wonder if Andy and the gang realize that we are bored to tears with Yolanda. Why did they even sign her up for the season?

I used to be Lisa's biggest fan, well maybe not the biggest, but I liked her. But something turned. Maybe my intense dislike of Ken has clouded my view. I have been getting a wired vibe from the two of them lately.

I do like both Lisa and Ken and I realize they are not perfect. I think Ken's health/aging is catching up with him and he is not as patient with others as he once was. He doesn't hold back as much as he once did and will say how he feels more now but I think it has more to do with him protecting Lisa, they are a tight couple IMO and he sees his role as her defender, as he should. I don't take his comments seriously, like the ones about Kyle/mumus and IMO, he was NOT calling Kyle "fat" or talking about her weight, but was refering to her height, or lack of compared to Lisa's height. I think the last 2 seasons were hard on Ken, I think he/Lisa took Brandi's betrayal hard, Lisa recovered but IMO, Ken has not and is worried of it happening again by others. JMO

[renatae]

It's a performance outfit. Beyonce has and does wear less than that. It's not like she's heading to the grocery store in it. While walking around the house with her husband she looked fine.

I was aware of the purpose of the outfit and that it's not exactly unique, but I'm still not on board. Obviously, YMMV.

[NewDigs]

Bolding mine

True on all of that! We don't know what actually happened with the court case.

They do seem to treat their animals well, and Lisa has that "rescue the wounded" thinking - I was hoping they would take that poor horse to save it.

I wonder if Andy and the gang realize that we are bored to tears with Yolanda. Why did they even sign her up for the season?

I used to be Lisa's biggest fan, well maybe not the biggest, but I liked her. But something turned. Maybe my intense dislike of Ken has clouded my view. I have been getting a wired vibe from the two of them lately.

I think I'm moving beyond the bored-by stage of YoYo's latest drama and have edged into repelled-by stage of her behavior. Needles? IVs? For me, seeing them once is too much.

Though I did get a kick out of her Jiffy-Pop sauna shot. Thanks to whoever pointed out the similarity. Too funny.

That poor little horse. I didn't need to see that either.

This season, imho, is running off the rails on overshare.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Are we allowed to speculate as to why, during the "Next time on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills...," Vince is snarling, "Because you're an effin idiot," to Eileen Davidson?

[zulualpha]

1. With this whole Kyle/Kathy/Kim broo-ha-ha, it feels almost fake to me. Now people magazine is reporting on it? That's the most celeb-friendly publication- they must have planted this story. Maybe for publicity? For Kyle's new show? I can't figure it out, but it has sticky fingerprints all over it.

    

   I'm starting to think the same thing.  Kathy/Kyle/Kim want to be the next Kardashians.  Now if they can just convince Mauricio to have a sex change.  Lisa was right not to buy the horse.   First of all, I think they said the horse was a year old which (imo) was clearly not the case.  That was not a baby horse.  And if Lisa bought a horse with foot issues there would be no end to the vet visits and she's right, many times horses with foot issues have to be put down.  That's not the right gift for a 70 year old man. 

[Yours Truly]

This my thing and I'm not a big Kyle fan but this doesn't come from an irrational place. I honestly am not surprised with the reception she is getting from her family. Now granted big bad Kim is an addict and I am not going to open that door again about how addicts should be received, treated, etc. etc. but Kyle OPENED that door. It's funny but I think it was that Beverly hills season one special episode where Kyle confirms a little more about how the BH show came about and she does share that Kim being on the show was her idea. She even admits that she was a bit worried about how it would affect them and was worried about the exposure and then her fears were realized. It also shows more of  the finale and confirms that Kyle was hell bent on keeping her sitting there and confronting her before she could "get away". Now with that said, all of her years of suffering from Kim's addiction does not justify the decisions this women keeps making that continue to put a spotlight on the dysfunction of her family. Yes, I know everyone is accountable for their own actions but then not for nothing I too would be pissed off that in the name of fame whoring, my sister continues give the media and the public such a significant window into the whole families business.

 

Yeah, yeah, there's TMZ, smartphones, youtube, etc. etc. but up until the show there were OMG moments and flash in the pan embarrassments that died down over time and after each sparatic scandal. With Kyle being on the show even without Kim it seems that every news detail that spills out into the press is then visited on the show and discussed, even briefly, giving it a longer shelf life. It also creates a monster that can't be tamed because somehow the issue surrounding Nicky's wedding is somehow associated with Kim being an addict, Kinsley biting off a finger, Kathy being pissed about a new show idea, tension between Mauricio and Rick etc. etc. The speculation must be so damn offputting and Kyle is all about it just so she can whimper on camera and show the world how sorry we should all feel for her. I don't buy the discomfort. I don't buy the oh me oh my these women are bringing up my sister. I can believe that she's not all that excited about how forward these women are about discussing certain things with her but I don't think she's completely against it all together. It's her storyline and she thrives on it.

 

Kim is no longer on the show so I think it's pretty shady and downright disgraceful for these women to keep pushing that angel for the shows sake. Let me say that I wasn't too impressed with Eileen last season and Lisa R lost major points with me because of her need to be so inappropriately vocal about her "concerns" about Kim but she was "justified" because she was a "victim" and "experienced" these atrocities first hand but now there is no Kim. Oh, so just because Lisa and Eileen are "veteran victims" of Kim they can now and forever trash her when the mood strikes even though they aren't subjected to Kim's shenanigans anymore? What it's a lifetime membership to the "We've been scarred by Kim Richards" support group? They've earned their place? Look, Kyle's been on the other end of that mess for YEARS and I still don't give the woman a pass on how hard she's riding her family problems for camera time so these new additions to the Kim haters club rub me the wrong way.

 

I think it's a no brainer that there is tension with all the sisters and I think it ludicrous to paint Kyle as the poor abused one when in reality her situation is not unique, she's not unique and it does no one any good to start trying to crucify family members. Just like a lot of families out there they have problems and it really isn't for anyone to judge how their family operates but no not our Kyle. Kyle feels she needs to subject her family to the court of public opinion so that she can finally validate her feelings of unfairness. Who needs to be healed that desperately that you have to sell out your family in order to lick your own wounds? Bethenny Frankel comes to mind.

 

I get the tell all books (although I don't 100% agree) for healing and getting past family tragedies and abuse and if Kyle was going about airing her family business because she's on a true healing path complete with full acceptance and acknowledgement that her childhood left her with some scars, that she's attempting to cleanse her spirit by letting go of the secrets that have had her chained etc. etc. then I would be all for it because then there would at least be a purpose for all of this betrayal but nope. She's just sitting back and watching people have a go at her family with a slightly pained look on her face and for what? I think THAT'S why Kathy and Kim react the way they do. Hey they may have issues, problems etc. etc. but putting it out there for strangers to talk shit about it cause Kyle's mad about it. I don't get that and I can understand why there would be tension. Kim's problems are hers to own but just because the public doesn't approve of the way they chose to handle their family issues doesn't mean that they should now be exposed and scrutinized for every damn thing. I mean so much hate come out of this poor girls wedding all because Kyle had to mention that one little detail.

 

See, I do think Kathy and anyone else on the non filming side of that family has every right to be leery of any interactions with Kyle because they don't have any control over their own private affairs anymore. They know that one slight, one misstep, the littlest of family strife, every decision can and most likely will be up for public airing on the show. It's not that Kyle is supposed to keep their "secrets" its that now any little family tiff will be subjected to so much stretch of logic scrutiny and will ALWAYS to attributed to some huge family ugliness that can't be reigned in anymore. Just by Kyle "mentioning it" then of course clamming up. I find that part to be the most offensive. All Kyle needs to do is drop a tid bit of information and then let it run it's course by way of the hemming and hawing that comes out those little key pieces of information she's shared. She's been doing that whole bit since season one and it has not been lost on me and I'm sure it's not lost on her sisters. But hey, Kyle's the wronged party but even so in my book Kyle's actions aren't above board if ya know what I mean.

 

Poor Nicky, I hardly ever hear about her that much and yes she's a Hilton but other than that she's not splattered in every gossip magazine and even Paris's reputation isn't mainstream anymore but the housewives connection has got them all front and center again even with Kim OFF the show. My thing is, Kyle isn't in jeopardy of tainting her immediate families image. She gets to be on this show, gets to bring the drama, the scandal, the juicy meat and potatoes all without jeopardizing how we see her quaint and cute little IMMEDIATE family. To me Kyle USES all of this for public gain. She uses her families issue, puts their feet to the fire, their families under a microscope THEY didn't ask for with a narrative of Kyle's choosing and all for what? Kyle's is no innocent in all of this and it bugs the crap outta me that the other cast members really lay it on thick like she is.

 

Having a family that sucks isn't fucking new. No one needs to "rally" around Kyle to such a degree unless Kyle's is in need of "healing". That because of all this she is ACTIVELY seeking some sort of therapy for all the emotional damage she's suffering from. If that's not the case  then I think all the theatrics by all of the women (looking at you Lisa's and Eileen) need to come down a notch cause I find it ridiculous and in poor taste.  I can't believe I'm saying this but at least, with all the drama and theatrics from Bethenny Frankel, she's actually adopted the mentality of needing therapy. I mean for cripes sake Kyle, if it's going to be such a running dilemma in your story line and your family has to take such a hit I guess that means you should be seeking some form of recovery for your wounds and your scars no? Apparently it's damaged her life some way shape or form so shouldn't we be moving on from the "abuse" aspect of her family history and move forward to brighter and greener pastures where she's finding her peace and zen? But no, seems we are being treated to a "loop" of Kyle's destructive and dysfunctional family with no real intent on moving away from the negative. The other women are more than happy to keep fanning the flames just as long as Kyle keeps providing the kindling and this is what I find reprehensible.

[jaync]

Though I did get a kick out of her Jiffy-Pop sauna shot.

I'm still laughing at that ridiculousness. Yolanda is so.fucking.extra.

 

[VanillaBeanne]

I don't think the Hiltons lower profile is intentional. Paris is not 'hot' anymore. Since RHOBH premiered, Paris had a reality show bomb and so did Kathy.

I think Kathy initially rebuffed RHOBH because she thought she could do her own show and not have to be part of an ensemble cast. Now that she knows that's not the case, her RH appearances are more frequent.

That said, Kyle has a platform to get her side of the story that Kathy doesn't have, so I agree that it's not fair of Kyle to bring up the uninvite. I also think Kyle and Mauricio have had it with Kathy, Rick and Kim and don't care about being fair to Kathy anymore.

I think Kathy and Paris are mad as hell that they were famous before the Kardashians but have been eclipsed. Kim Kardashian's success must bug them to no end. Wasn't Kim an assistant to Paris. Yet another lackey who doesn't know her place. (Ugh, I hate the Kardashians).

Edited December 21, 2015 by VanillaBeanne

[izabella]

Kathy has no problem with RH when she wants to be on the show, and Nicky had no problem using Kyle to promote her book on RH.  Too bad for them that their bad behavior gets on the show, too.  If they wanted to stay out of the public eye, then stay off the show.  And, Kathy?  After you send Kim to be on Dr. Phil, you have no legs to stand on if people want to talk about her arrests and escaping, or fleeing, rehab.

Edited December 21, 2015 by izabella

[kokapetl]

Kyle, without her brain fried former child star sister, or her sex taped Hilton heiress niece, is unremarkable. She would not have gotten a spot on this show on her own merits. Nothing she says or does is entertaining of interesting. It's entirely predictable that she picks at the scabs of her family relationships, she may not be entirely aware she's doing it, but she needs and wants the family drama to continue.

[MatildaMoody]

Kyle, without her brain fried former child star sister, or her sex taped Hilton heiress niece, is unremarkable. She would not have gotten a spot on this show on her own merits. Nothing she says or does is entertaining of interesting. It's entirely predictable that she picks at the scabs of her family relationships, she may not be entirely aware she's doing it, but she needs and wants the family drama to continue.

 

I disagree with this. Obviously, the producers thought that Kyle was interesting enough to be on the show without her either of her sisters since Kyle was the one to suggest Kim in the first place. From the secrets revealed season 1, the producer says out right that after seeing Kyle in an interview, they thought she would be the perfect person to build the show around. So, I doubt they felt she needed them in order to be interesting. 

[kokapetl]

I disagree with this. Obviously, the producers thought that Kyle was interesting enough to be on the show without her either of her sisters since Kyle was the one to suggest Kim in the first place. From the secrets revealed season 1, the producer says out right that after seeing Kyle in an interview, they thought she would be the perfect person to build the show around. So, I doubt they felt she needed them in order to be interesting.

She's sort of coasting at this point, and her current storyline is about feuds with her sisters. They don't need to be present for Kyle to exploit being related to them.

[mofa73]

The whole little pony storyline made me sad.

[Yours Truly]

Kathy has no problem with RH when she wants to be on the show, and Nicky had no problem using Kyle to promote her book on RH.  Too bad for them that their bad behavior gets on the show, too.  If they wanted to stay out of the public eye, then stay off the show.  And, Kathy?  After you send Kim to be on Dr. Phil, you have no legs to stand on if people want to talk about her arrests and escaping, or fleeing, rehab.

People are gonna talk about it no doubt but Nicky's wedding spurred conversations about Kim's appearance on Dr. Phil, the tension between Mauricio and Rick, speculation about fractured relationships between Nicky and her cousins, not to mention opened doors to start speaking of Kim's hijinks past and present. I mean come on.  The fact that it turns into this ridiculous shit show every time ANYTHING slips out about their family would have me VERY mindful about what I keep to myself when the cameras are rolling. What gets me is the lack of accountability. Shit, if Kyle were straight up about it, saying I don't give a fuck Imma vent and talk to my friends/ cast mates about the newest family debacle while the cameras are rolling and own my anger TH after TH and not this whole, "oh wait, oh no, I just couldn't discuss these things in any real detail but here's an idea of what's going on assume away" wink wink, bullshit she's pulling. Like seriously? Make no mistake Kyle has repackaged the same story line and redistributing it with or without Kim being on the show. Kim's still a cast member by proxy through Kyle and the other women are more than happy to go with the flow.  Yuck!

Kyle, without her brain fried former child star sister, or her sex taped Hilton heiress niece, is unremarkable. She would not have gotten a spot on this show on her own merits. Nothing she says or does is entertaining of interesting. It's entirely predictable that she picks at the scabs of her family relationships, she may not be entirely aware she's doing it, but she needs and wants the family drama to continue.

Thank you!

She's sort of coasting at this point, and her current storyline is about feuds with her sisters. They don't need to be present for Kyle to exploit being related to them.

I've believed that she's been exploiting this tumultuous relationship since season one. And knew exactly what the costs could and most likely would be and that's why I  haven't liked her since day one. Which was very sad for me cause I love little house on the prairie so seeing little Alicia be such a conniving witch was really off putting to me.

I disagree with this. Obviously, the producers thought that Kyle was interesting enough to be on the show without her either of her sisters since Kyle was the one to suggest Kim in the first place. From the secrets revealed season 1, the producer says out right that after seeing Kyle in an interview, they thought she would be the perfect person to build the show around. So, I doubt they felt she needed them in order to be interesting. 

Yes build the show around because of who was in her circle and in her life. That's how they build the franchises. They select someone who they feel will have an atmosphere of characters and personalities they can bring into an active circle of socialization. Kim Richards would obviously be somewhere in that scope. I'm sure they took that into account when determining that Kyle would be a great "starting point" for the BH franchise

Edited December 21, 2015 by Yours Truly

[GreatKazu]

 

Kim is no longer on the show

She will be. Just wait. She and Brandi will be popping up soon. They both filmed scenes together and Kim was shown in the trailer.

 

 

It also shows more of  the finale and confirms that Kyle was hell bent on keeping her sitting there and confronting her before she could "get away

But then there is that little bit of information that was mentioned by the producer and Kyle. Kyle was going to confront her sister in the limo regardless.  There wasn't any filming going on in that exact moment, if I remember what the producer said in that finale special. Kyle reacting to Kim was likely not the first time. This is just the first time there were camera people around and they chose to capture it. 

 

 

YoFo in that sauna reminds me of Lucy Ricardo trying to lose weight:

 

Edited December 21, 2015 by GreatKazu

[zoeysmom]

I disagree with this. Obviously, the producers thought that Kyle was interesting enough to be on the show without her either of her sisters since Kyle was the one to suggest Kim in the first place. From the secrets revealed season 1, the producer says out right that after seeing Kyle in an interview, they thought she would be the perfect person to build the show around. So, I doubt they felt she needed them in order to be interesting. 

Look at the cast she developed through her friendships and associations.  I think Kyle wanted Kim to succeed for the obvious reason she was out of money.  Kyle and Kathy had both said they though Kim being on a show would mean some discipline for her.  Kim could have said no.  No one forced Kim to be on.  That interview with Kyle was about Paris Hilton and singing her praises.

 

As far as this wedding business goes-Kyle was at the "fairytale" bridal show which was taking place while Kim was on the run in Mexico. So she was in the press attending the shindig and obviously when they started filming she was going to the fairytale wedding.  Kyle threw out a big hint when she said Kathy was upset about the sitcom.  Obviously since they were filming in Europe and part of the storyline was to be Kyle and Lisa in London, there had to be some reason for the change in plans on Lisa's part.  The producers don't owe Kyle or anyone else a big cover up because they have a personal issue.  In fact they thrive on it.  I am quite certain Kathy knew of Kyle's plans to have the show incorporate Kyle attending Nicky's wedding as part of the show.  No matter who covered the wedding they had picture of Kyle as part of the story.  So had she not attended it would have been news and  part of her storyline.  These women can't just pick and choose what they want revealed.  You have Brandi at the ready dying to bring attention to any family discourse Kyle experiences in her family.

 

Kathy Hilton picks some tough characters to back.  Between her official duty as Michael Jackson's BFF, (it is almost as if he was never accused of anything untold), Faye Resnick and three of her four children and their various mishaps it is difficult for me to put the blame on Kyle for public discord surrounding Kathy. 

[MatildaMoody]

She's sort of coasting at this point, and her current storyline is about feuds with her sisters. They don't need to be present for Kyle to exploit being related to them.

But here is the thing about story lines. The women don't choose their story line for the season. They tell production what events they have coming and they let them know what is coming up for them that might be relevant to filming. The story lines are decided post filming by production. The story lines are put together during editing. 

 

We don't know if Kyle is just coasting on feuding with her sisters as a story line because we don't know everything else that she filmed or wanted to film this season. Kyle is enough of a narcissist that I don't believe she would want to talk about her sisters at all if she could avoid it. I think that she viewed this show as her opportunity to finally step into the spotlight, and only suggested Kim to give her a job - or to possibly avoid a feud by not including Kim. Sure, she probably subconsciously had a "see what I have to deal with" motive in suggesting Kim, but I don't think that Kim or Kathy were her priority when it came to doing the show. I think she wanted to have her own platform to show off her life, family, and friends. 

Kim became the bugaboo when she started missing filming events and/or showing up wasted to them. Kathy was a non-issue until she started showing up in later seasons. This show started because producers thought that Kyle was a good start to a reality show about real wealth in Beverly Hills. Kyle's biggest mistake was suggesting Kim for the gig. But, seeing what her family is like now, I can't imagine how much worse things would be if she hadn't. 

[breezy424]

I've seen a number of posts about Ken being pushed in the pool, given his age.  Heck, anyone, at any age, would be put in a dangerous situation being pushed into that part of that pool.  Period.  Looking at the clip, I don't think it was his son in law but the person who did deserves every condemnation.  Just stupid and idiotic.

[SFoster21]

But here is the thing about story lines. The women don't choose their story line for the season. They tell production what events they have coming and they let them know what is coming up for them that might be relevant to filming. The story lines are decided post filming by production. The story lines are put together during editing.

We don't know if Kyle is just coasting on feuding with her sisters as a story line because we don't know everything else that she filmed or wanted to film this season. Kyle is enough of a narcissist that I don't believe she would want to talk about her sisters at all if she could avoid it. I think that she viewed this show as her opportunity to finally step into the spotlight, and only suggested Kim to give her a job - or to possibly avoid a feud by not including Kim. Sure, she probably subconsciously had a "see what I have to deal with" motive in suggesting Kim, but I don't think that Kim or Kathy were her priority when it came to doing the show. I think she wanted to have her own platform to show off her life, family, and friends.

Kim became the bugaboo when she started missing filming events and/or showing up wasted to them. Kathy was a non-issue until she started showing up in later seasons. This show started because producers thought that Kyle was a good start to a reality show about real wealth in Beverly Hills. Kyle's biggest mistake was suggesting Kim for the gig. But, seeing what her family is like now, I can't imagine how much worse things would be if she hadn't.

You know, not to mention that if you are watching, commenting and/or following this saga, imo, you are in no position to call someone out for amorality or bad behavior. Just imo.

[racked]

I disagree with this. Obviously, the producers thought that Kyle was interesting enough to be on the show without her either of her sisters since Kyle was the one to suggest Kim in the first place. From the secrets revealed season 1, the producer says out right that after seeing Kyle in an interview, they thought she would be the perfect person to build the show around. So, I doubt they felt she needed them in order to be interesting.

Kyle and Lisa and their lifestyles are the reason I originally watched this show. I wanted to see rich people in Beverly Hills, living their out of touch rich lives. The drama of Kim is depressing, the drama of Kathy is irritating. I just want to see them on their yachts and having fabulous parties and eating amazing food in beautiful locations.

[ghoulina]

I've seen a number of posts about Ken being pushed in the pool, given his age.  Heck, anyone, at any age, would be put in a dangerous situation being pushed into that part of that pool.  Period.  Looking at the clip, I don't think it was his son in law but the person who did deserves every condemnation.  Just stupid and idiotic.

 

Very true. I've always hate the whole throwing/pushing people into the pool thing. It happened to me at a friend's birthday party once and I was pissed. I hadn't brought a change of clothes and wasn't planning to swim anyhow. Also, I had my cellphone in my pocket! Luckily I was able to somehow whip it out and throw it before I landed in the water. 

 

Anyhow, I think the age thing does matter with Ken, though, because he had recently had hip surgery and that is not an easy thing to recover from. To risk damaging it again is just awful! Nobody should be pushed into a pool, though. 

[JAYJAY1979]

I've noticed that last season had all the women separate from each other for the most part episodes 2 through 5 before all coming together in episode 6...people complained about it.. so now I'm noticing thus far in the season that there is a nice balance between group dynamics and individual stuff. Lisa/kyle in Tuscany, lisa/lisa in Columbus ohio, Eileen in Palm springs, looks like yolanda is on a trip in episode 4 coming up. So I like that there groups of 2 or 3 together as well as individual scenes as well.

I think this show has the rich lifestyle angle to set itself apart from the other showa, rhoc has the family angle, Atlanta has the girl group angle, and ny is the cougar den.

[kassa]

First of all, I think they said the horse was a year old which (imo) was clearly not the case.  That was not a baby horse.

 

 

It was a miniature horse -- a scaled down version of a horse (as opposed to a pony), so it may well have been a year old.  My friend has one -- her husband calls it "the lawn ornament."  (They have horses and ponies, too -- he just came in a package deal when they wanted to buy his best horse friend/stablemate.)

[NewDigs]

Bolding mine

It was a miniature horse -- a scaled down version of a horse (as opposed to a pony), so it may well have been a year old.  My friend has one -- her husband calls it "the lawn ornament."  (They have horses and ponies, too --

he just came in a package deal when they wanted to buy his best horse friend/stablemate.)

Awww... I love that!

A much better reason than buying a mini-horse as merely a gift-bauble for an obscenely wealthy person who already has everything.

[chlban]

I hate the new girl. Ugh. I don't think Yo is faking it, but that doesn't mean she is truly sick either. There are mental disorders. Either way, I really don't want to watch her act sick. She was always boring, IMO, but gave great house (and fridge) porn. Now, not so much.

[Talented Tenth]

Kind of bullshit animal lover Lisa didn't want the horse because of the limp.

On watch what happens live, Behati Prinsloo and Seth Meyers were upset that Lisa didn't get the horse just because it was lame. Seth was like, "who cares, so it can't pull the plow?" Behati offered to buy the horse herself.

 

It's faux outrage IMO, when it comes to Lisa and the horse.  There are at least thousands of unwanted animals all over the country.  Behati nor anyone else have to wait for a RHoBH scene to purchase an animal with a defect.  Lisa is not under any obligation to purchase any animal just because she visits and pets it.  To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

 

Kyle needs to understand that both LisaR and Eileen earned the right to comment about Kim and her latest, and very public escapades, after how Kim treated both women last season. Kim was vicious to both of them even though both tried to befriend and help her, no one deserved to be treated the way Kim did them IMO. Sadly, her blog comes across as more of the same old Richards, sweep it under the rug, tatics that has helped Kim remain an addict for decades. There is NO way that Kyle didn't expect someone to bring up Kim and her latest stunts on the show, NO WAY.    JMO

 

They can say what they want, but they don't have a "right" to talk to Kyle about it.  They can bring it up on the show outside of Kyle, but if they're her "friends", of course she's going to feel offended if they are mean in their approach.

 

She just needs to ignore the TH comments about Kim, those comments are on the HW making them, NOT on Kyle and Kyle has no right to say the others can't express their opinions about their former co-worker even if she is her sister.

 

Kim is her sister.  I'm not sure many people who love their siblings could ignore a co-worker/friend being nasty about their family members even if the family members caused the conflict.

[heatherchandler]

It's faux outrage IMO, when it comes to Lisa and the horse.  There are at least thousands of unwanted animals all over the country.  Behati nor anyone else have to wait for a RHoBH scene to purchase an animal with a defect.  Lisa is not under any obligation to purchase any animal just because she visits and pets it.  To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

 

 

Well in this instance, it seems she arranged to take the horse, and then changed her mind when she saw that the horse was lame.  But I am wondering why it would matter that the horse walks with a limp - she doesn't need for it to walk straight, like it is not going to be doing labor.

 

If she really loved animals, she would have followed through on buying the poor thing, limp or no limp. 

 

I am genuinely outraged about all of the unwanted animals sitting in shelters.  Our society should be ashamed.  And yes I put my time and money where my mouth is, I volunteer at 2 different cat shelters.

[Talented Tenth]

Well in this instance, it seems she arranged to take the horse, and then changed her mind when she saw that the horse was lame.  But I am wondering why it would matter that the horse walks with a limp - she doesn't need for it to walk straight, like it is not going to be doing labor.

 

If she really loved animals, she would have followed through on buying the poor thing, limp or no limp. 

 

I am genuinely outraged about all of the unwanted animals sitting in shelters.  Our society should be ashamed.  And yes I put my time and money where my mouth is, I volunteer at 2 different cat shelters.

 

She wasn't looking for a lame horse, though.  Based on what we saw, she didn't know that the horse had an issue with it's leg. If she had known that, it's doubtful she would have flown all that way.  I think Lisa was thinking about taking the horse, but there wasn't enough time for a vet to come check it out for other health problems.  She didn't trust the seller.  I'm just not sure why Lisa deserves any ire if she changed her mind for any reason.  She can spend her money how she sees fit.  Not buying the horse wasn't an inconvenience for the seller.  She has a product to sell and if no one buys it, she nor the horse are in a different position than they're already in.  The inconvenience was Lisa's for traveling all that way to discover she had been mislead.

[heatherchandler]

She wasn't looking for a lame horse, though.  Based on what we saw, she didn't know that the horse had an issue with it's leg. If she had known that, it's doubtful she would have flown all that way.  I think Lisa was thinking about taking the horse, but there wasn't enough time for a vet to come check it out for other health problems.  She didn't trust the seller.  I'm just not sure why Lisa deserves any ire if she changed her mind for any reason.  She can spend her money how she sees fit.  Not buying the horse wasn't an inconvenience for the seller.  She has a product to sell and if no one buys it, she nor the horse are in a different position than they're already in.  The inconvenience was Lisa's for traveling all that way to discover she had been mislead.

 

I think she didn't want the horse because it was defective.  I think that she presents herself as an animal lover, but to not want a horse because it was defective is kind of bullshit.  She can buy or not buy horses all day long but my opinion of her has sunk.  She presents herself one way but she is really not genuine or caring.  She is a fake asshole.

Edited December 23, 2015 by heatherchandler

[ghoulina]

Well in this instance, it seems she arranged to take the horse, and then changed her mind when she saw that the horse was lame.  But I am wondering why it would matter that the horse walks with a limp - she doesn't need for it to walk straight, like it is not going to be doing labor.

If she really loved animals, she would have followed through on buying the poor thing, limp or no limp

 

Was it ever confirmed that she actually arranged to take the horse? Without seeing it first? I thought she was going out there to check out the horse, and hopefully get it, but nothing was set in stone. I'm of the opinion that the horse ranch people were intentionally trying to misrepresent the horse. Lisa clearly had no idea about its health problems before she arrived, but I'd bet they did. Not only did they not tell Lisa, prior to her making a long trip, but they tried to hide it with a silly costume. 

 

So, not only was Lisa likely apprehensive about taking on an animal with health problems, but who would want to do business with someone they perceived as being shady? I certainly wouldn't. And I love animals! 

 

I don't think Lisa had some snotty attitude about imperfect animals. Giggy has alopecia and they dote on him. But perhaps she knew that they simply didn't have the energy to care for another animal with health problems. Perhaps she was considering the fact that it might get worse and have to be put down, and then what? Nice birthday present! 

 

I really can't fault Lisa in all this. I think she did the right thing. And I hope that farm is being looked into. 

[Avaleigh]

This my thing and I'm not a big Kyle fan but this doesn't come from an irrational place. I honestly am not surprised with the reception she is getting from her family. Now granted big bad Kim is an addict and I am not going to open that door again about how addicts should be received, treated, etc. etc. but Kyle OPENED that door. It's funny but I think it was that Beverly hills season one special episode where Kyle confirms a little more about how the BH show came about and she does share that Kim being on the show was her idea. She even admits that she was a bit worried about how it would affect them and was worried about the exposure and then her fears were realized. It also shows more of  the finale and confirms that Kyle was hell bent on keeping her sitting there and confronting her before she could "get away". Now with that said, all of her years of suffering from Kim's addiction does not justify the decisions this women keeps making that continue to put a spotlight on the dysfunction of her family. Yes, I know everyone is accountable for their own actions but then not for nothing I too would be pissed off that in the name of fame whoring, my sister continues give the media and the public such a significant window into the whole families business.

 

Yeah, yeah, there's TMZ, smartphones, youtube, etc. etc. but up until the show there were OMG moments and flash in the pan embarrassments that died down over time and after each sparatic scandal. With Kyle being on the show even without Kim it seems that every news detail that spills out into the press is then visited on the show and discussed, even briefly, giving it a longer shelf life. It also creates a monster that can't be tamed because somehow the issue surrounding Nicky's wedding is somehow associated with Kim being an addict, Kinsley biting off a finger, Kathy being pissed about a new show idea, tension between Mauricio and Rick etc. etc. The speculation must be so damn offputting and Kyle is all about it just so she can whimper on camera and show the world how sorry we should all feel for her. I don't buy the discomfort. I don't buy the oh me oh my these women are bringing up my sister. I can believe that she's not all that excited about how forward these women are about discussing certain things with her but I don't think she's completely against it all together. It's her storyline and she thrives on it.

 

Kim is no longer on the show so I think it's pretty shady and downright disgraceful for these women to keep pushing that angel for the shows sake. Let me say that I wasn't too impressed with Eileen last season and Lisa R lost major points with me because of her need to be so inappropriately vocal about her "concerns" about Kim but she was "justified" because she was a "victim" and "experienced" these atrocities first hand but now there is no Kim. Oh, so just because Lisa and Eileen are "veteran victims" of Kim they can now and forever trash her when the mood strikes even though they aren't subjected to Kim's shenanigans anymore? What it's a lifetime membership to the "We've been scarred by Kim Richards" support group? They've earned their place? Look, Kyle's been on the other end of that mess for YEARS and I still don't give the woman a pass on how hard she's riding her family problems for camera time so these new additions to the Kim haters club rub me the wrong way.

 

I think it's a no brainer that there is tension with all the sisters and I think it ludicrous to paint Kyle as the poor abused one when in reality her situation is not unique, she's not unique and it does no one any good to start trying to crucify family members. Just like a lot of families out there they have problems and it really isn't for anyone to judge how their family operates but no not our Kyle. Kyle feels she needs to subject her family to the court of public opinion so that she can finally validate her feelings of unfairness. Who needs to be healed that desperately that you have to sell out your family in order to lick your own wounds? Bethenny Frankel comes to mind.

 

I get the tell all books (although I don't 100% agree) for healing and getting past family tragedies and abuse and if Kyle was going about airing her family business because she's on a true healing path complete with full acceptance and acknowledgement that her childhood left her with some scars, that she's attempting to cleanse her spirit by letting go of the secrets that have had her chained etc. etc. then I would be all for it because then there would at least be a purpose for all of this betrayal but nope. She's just sitting back and watching people have a go at her family with a slightly pained look on her face and for what? I think THAT'S why Kathy and Kim react the way they do. Hey they may have issues, problems etc. etc. but putting it out there for strangers to talk shit about it cause Kyle's mad about it. I don't get that and I can understand why there would be tension. Kim's problems are hers to own but just because the public doesn't approve of the way they chose to handle their family issues doesn't mean that they should now be exposed and scrutinized for every damn thing. I mean so much hate come out of this poor girls wedding all because Kyle had to mention that one little detail.

 

See, I do think Kathy and anyone else on the non filming side of that family has every right to be leery of any interactions with Kyle because they don't have any control over their own private affairs anymore. They know that one slight, one misstep, the littlest of family strife, every decision can and most likely will be up for public airing on the show. It's not that Kyle is supposed to keep their "secrets" its that now any little family tiff will be subjected to so much stretch of logic scrutiny and will ALWAYS to attributed to some huge family ugliness that can't be reigned in anymore. Just by Kyle "mentioning it" then of course clamming up. I find that part to be the most offensive. All Kyle needs to do is drop a tid bit of information and then let it run it's course by way of the hemming and hawing that comes out those little key pieces of information she's shared. She's been doing that whole bit since season one and it has not been lost on me and I'm sure it's not lost on her sisters. But hey, Kyle's the wronged party but even so in my book Kyle's actions aren't above board if ya know what I mean.

 

Poor Nicky, I hardly ever hear about her that much and yes she's a Hilton but other than that she's not splattered in every gossip magazine and even Paris's reputation isn't mainstream anymore but the housewives connection has got them all front and center again even with Kim OFF the show. My thing is, Kyle isn't in jeopardy of tainting her immediate families image. She gets to be on this show, gets to bring the drama, the scandal, the juicy meat and potatoes all without jeopardizing how we see her quaint and cute little IMMEDIATE family. To me Kyle USES all of this for public gain. She uses her families issue, puts their feet to the fire, their families under a microscope THEY didn't ask for with a narrative of Kyle's choosing and all for what? Kyle's is no innocent in all of this and it bugs the crap outta me that the other cast members really lay it on thick like she is.

 

Having a family that sucks isn't fucking new. No one needs to "rally" around Kyle to such a degree unless Kyle's is in need of "healing". That because of all this she is ACTIVELY seeking some sort of therapy for all the emotional damage she's suffering from. If that's not the case  then I think all the theatrics by all of the women (looking at you Lisa's and Eileen) need to come down a notch cause I find it ridiculous and in poor taste.  I can't believe I'm saying this but at least, with all the drama and theatrics from Bethenny Frankel, she's actually adopted the mentality of needing therapy. I mean for cripes sake Kyle, if it's going to be such a running dilemma in your story line and your family has to take such a hit I guess that means you should be seeking some form of recovery for your wounds and your scars no? Apparently it's damaged her life some way shape or form so shouldn't we be moving on from the "abuse" aspect of her family history and move forward to brighter and greener pastures where she's finding her peace and zen? But no, seems we are being treated to a "loop" of Kyle's destructive and dysfunctional family with no real intent on moving away from the negative. The other women are more than happy to keep fanning the flames just as long as Kyle keeps providing the kindling and this is what I find reprehensible.

There's a lot here but I'm going to try to address the comments in bold.

 

I'm not surprised by the reception that Kyle is getting from her family but I don't agree that Kyle was wrong for mentioning what happened. I also disagree that it's wrong for any of the women to discuss Kim, Brandi, Taylor, Joyce, Dana, Carlton, or any other woman who has appeared on this show. 

 

As far as the idea that discussing things on the show gives various stories a longer shelf life, that's fair enough, but I think it's unreasonable to expect people to clamp down about issues that are happening in real time. When Kim got into her mess a bunch of us discussed it here. Kim's thread has the most posts and the most views because that mean entitled addict is always into some shit. Of course people are going to discuss that if they actually know the person and worked with them. People who didn't even know Kim were discussing it but the people who know her are just supposed to ignore it and refrain from mentioning out of respect? If Kim had been a kind and respectful person who treated other people like human beings maybe I can see them closing ranks and refusing to talk about it but Kim hasn't earned that sort of loyalty and certainly not from Kyle of all people. I don't care if they're sisters, they could be twins for all I care and it still doesn't mean that Kim deserves or has earned the shield of privacy. As usual, when it comes to Kim, other people are being blamed for why she's being discussed or why her problems are being put out there. If Kim didn't constantly make such poor choices in addition to being mean and defiant with pretty much everyone then there wouldn't be anything embarrassing to discuss. 

 

As for Lisa Rinna and Eileen--oh, I absolutely think that they have earned the right to talk about Kim. If Kim doesn't like it, she can add it on to the pile of consequences for her behavior that she refuses to recognize. Why does Kim deserve to be molly coddled after the way she behaved? She was horrible beast to everyone save Brandi last season and Lisa Rinna and Eileen were forced to put up with it. Not only that but Kim was allowed to get away with most of her bullshit where she was only called on a fraction of the things she did that season to say nothing of off camera shenanigans. No, they don't have to deal with Kim anymore but it's kind of like discussing that crazy coworker who got fired and getting a gossipy update from someone who still keeps up with them on FB. 

 

I don't think any family members are being crucified. If Kathy in particular feels upset that her preferences were put out there for the public to know about then that says to me that she isn't comfortable with people knowing how she has treated Kyle's family. 

 

I agree that this family feud isn't especially unique but I disagree that we haven't seen both of Kyle's sisters treat her like shit. I definitely don't feel that Kyle has treated Kim poorly. With Kathy, there aren't as many incidents to point to because she isn't on the show so I won't throw her in the same boat as Kim but the iciness definitely seems to be there. 

 

Strangers are already talking shit about Kathy and Kim without Kyle's help. Both women are fine with dealing with fame whenever it suits their purpose. Without any help from Kyle that Dr. Phil fiasco was the gift that kept on giving and triggered all sorts of talk and stories. I think it's ludicrous to blame Kyle for everything especially the idea that it's her fault the stories are still being talked about. 

 

As if Kim is above talking shit about people including her sister. Meanwhile that loudmouth trash box Brandi got the Kathy version of Mauricio the ungrateful brother in law story. I know she didn't get that story from Kyle. 

 

There was tension around Nicky's wedding even if you take away the show. As for negative comments about the wedding--there were negative comments from people when the wedding was covered at the time. Some people are just going to hate. I honestly doubt that a bunch of people now dislike Nicky or Kathy specifically because of Kyle mentioning the truth of the way she and her family were treated. 

 

I don't doubt that Kyle's sisters both drop their own tidbits of information. I can see them being annoyed that Kyle has the stronger platform though. Kim dropped information on Kyle as well during the show in an effort to get people to feel sorry for her but this is being overlooked. I'm not seeing where Kim is Kyle's victim here. 

 

I think the show is about these women putting their lives on display. It's not like Kyle was spilling gossipy dirt on the Hiltons. She was talking about a situation that had to do with herself and her family directly. She wasn't using Nicky's personal life for a story.

 

As far as the idea that the Hiltons are now under a microscope because of Kyle, I don't see them being any more in the public eye than they already were. Also, as if Kathy and others have a problem being in the public eye. Both Kathy and Nicky have used the show when they've wanted to so it isn't like they're against Kyle (or Kim when she was on) being on the show. 

 

I disagree with the idea that therapy is the only avenue that is acceptable for them to discuss whatever it is that they want to discuss. Sometimes people want and need to bitch about stuff that's frustrating, I don't see why that has to necessarily be apart of a therapeutic process.