B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[Waldo13]

Yes, I believe this is what they asked.

I don't remember them asking for Nicole to be just the egg donor because they still would need someone to act as the surrogate. I'm very happy that the fertility doctor mention that it's an emotional experience also. Carter seamed to be more concerned for the ramifications of Nicole being the surrogate than Brooke. Of course Brooke was all for it because it was for Rick. Imagine your first born is your brother-in law's baby. You will be its biological mother and aunt. You will definitely have an emotional tie to the baby and it could be very hard to give it up. Many single mothers decide to keep the baby instead of giving it up for adoption. In addition, what if there are complications and Nicole can never have another baby. I just think that Maya and Rick were completely selfish in their request. Lastly, if Nicole is a virgin and goes threw with the surrogacy, does that mean what I think it means.

Nice for Rick and Maya to show up to work today just to bust Ridges chops and go home. Rick would have a fit if Ridge wasn't on call 24/7.

[LittleIggy]

STFU about not wanting to pressure Nicole, Maya. That genie is out of the bottle and flown away. Maya discussed it with Rick for all of two minutes before springing the plan on her sister, for crying out loud! And another STFU goes to Brooke. Why on earth would anyone confide in her? Her whole life has consisted of prancing from one familial disaster to another.

[Gam2]

I'm finally done with this show.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Wow, why would Zende go running his mouth to Carter about Nicole and Maya's personal business? I might could see it if Zende and Carter were already close friends but it looks like they're workout buddies at best, plus none of the legal implications are really any of their business anyway. Nicole should dump Zende's stupid self just for that. But then...Nicole goes running her mouth to biggest busybody of them all who can hardly be counted on to be objective. I just don't understand these people and their complete lack of boundaries.

 

I think Nicole doing the surrogacy is a bad idea but I also don't think Zende should be a factor in her decision. He and Nicole barely have a relationship and he has exactly zero claim on her body. This is an interesting twist on the pro-choice stance.

 

"I don't want to ask anything of my sister without knowing all the facts." Too late, Maya, you already asked her. Now you're just trying to line up your argument points in case she or anyone else objects.

 

if Nicole is a virgin and goes threw with the surrogacy, does that mean what I think it means.

Yes, it means exactly that and I imagine that's really what Zende's problem is with the possibility. He's not interested in playing Joseph to Nicole's Mary. Well, at least the timing is wrong for the baby to be born in late December...

Edited October 15, 2015 by Joimiaroxeu

[ByTor]

I don't remember them asking for Nicole to be just the egg donor because they still would need someone to act as the surrogate.

I'm pretty sure they asked for both, but I could be dead wrong, because today they only mentioned Nicole being the surrogate.  If that's the case, they are way off in saying that the baby will be half Avant, because Nicole's genes won't transfer over if she's only the surrogate and not an egg donor.

[photo fox]

I don't know that they specifically referenced being an egg donor, but they want the baby to be "half Forrester, half Avant". (Drink!) Avant genes mean Nicole's egg.

And they also talked about how handy it would be for them all living together during the pregnancy. So they're expecting her to carry it, too.

[grisgris]

I thought that they meant that Nicole would be inseminated with Rick's sperm so it would be her egg, as well as her body carrying the baby.

 

If Nicole's a virgin (which we don't know for sure) then she gets pregnant without having sex first? How fucked up is that?

 

Or, maybe she'll give it up to Zende one first (and last) time and when the baby is born it will be his. This, while Zende will be playing the role of bio dad all along.

 

You know, I think that Brad Bell is finally painting himself into a corner. This storyline has to be the closer. I really don't know where he can go from here.

 

My head hurts.

[Oly]

UGH--I am done too Gam2---I came over to this show because Y&R was so bad (and it still is) but this crap with Steffy being allowed to ride roughshod over everyone and no one stops or even questions her (Victor Newman business rules I guess) then Thomas the creeper and now this idiotic story line with Nicole?---hard to believe but it makes Y&R look better---will keep checking in over here but until something happens that does not suck I am out too---so sad and glad that I did not convince anyone else to give this show another chance---aaarrrggghhh--what the hell is wrong with Bell? in this case the apple did fall a long ways from the tree (and I was never a big Bell booster until I saw what the likes of know-nothings could do)

[Waldo13]

I thought that they meant that Nicole would be inseminated with Rick's sperm so it would be her egg, as well as her body carrying the baby.

If Nicole's a virgin (which we don't know for sure) then she gets pregnant without having sex first? How fucked up is that?

Or, maybe she'll give it up to Zende one first (and last) time and when the baby is born it will be his. This, while Zende will be playing the role of bio dad all along.

You know, I think that Brad Bell is finally painting himself into a corner. This storyline has to be the closer. I really don't know where he can go from here.

My head hurts.

That's it exactly. As the surrogate, Nicole is artificially inseminated using Rick's swimmers. So it's actually Nicole's egg is being furtilized within her body. With an egg donor, the egg Is fertilized outside the body, in a lab, and than the fertilized egg is placed into the woman. This is the method that is usually used when a woman, who can't produce her own eggs, is still able to birth a baby.

If it wasn't for Thomas, Caroline could have gotten pregnant by using a sperm donor which would be exactly the same process that Nicole would go through as a surrogate. Except for the fact there would be no Forester genes. It could be possible to use Ridge's swimmers if he is not completely sterile. I believe the doctor told Ridge his swimmers had low mobility but modern medicine can increase the mobility. Since Ridge had a vasectomy, this process would also be done in a lab.

When Brooke finds out that Caroline is pregnant, this is the explanation Ridge should use and by all means don't tell Brooke the truth. I will throw up if I have to watch Brooke squint her eyes and pontificate excessively on why Thomas should be told. If Thomas is not told, Brooke will drop innuendos until the cows come home.

And once again I have to say that being a surrogate, especially if you never have had children or even sex for that matter, should not be asked or have basically a babe in arms making such a difficult decision without speaking to a professional first. Rick and Maya were wrong again for not having Nicole in the meeting with the furtility doctor. Nicole decision should be based on thinking with her head and not her heart.

Please excuse me of my explanation was too graphic. I tried to keep it G rated.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Waldo13

[Kerri Okie]

 Except for the fact there would be no Forester genes. 

Even if Ridge were the father, there would be no Forrester genes. ;)

[KerleyQ]

I don't know that they specifically referenced being an egg donor, but they want the baby to be "half Forrester, half Avant". (Drink!) Avant genes mean Nicole's egg.

And they also talked about how handy it would be for them all living together during the pregnancy. So they're expecting her to carry it, too.

 

I suppose it's possible that Rick and Maya are both dumb enough to think that Nicole carrying the baby would make it "half Avant" regardless of whose egg they use.  

 

But I agree - they want her to use her own egg and carry the baby for them.  That's just so much to ask of anyone, but even more to ask of someone who not only hasn't had their own baby yet, but (it appears) who is also a virgin.  There's just no reason to think that Nicole is remotely psychologically prepared for what they're asking of her. 

 

If she agrees, and we don't get Nicole and Zende having sex right before the procedure because she decides she doesn't want to be a pregnant virgin, I'll be shocked. 

[ByTor]

When Brooke finds out that Caroline is pregnant

This is the one thing I am SO looking forward to. I am entertained as hell by judgy Brooke!

[NinjaPenguins]

You know, when I'm discussing soaps with my mom or my soap-watching coworkers, I'd rather not have conversations peppered with egg donors, sperm, and insemination. Apparently the story about Ridge and his sad little swimmers was just the warm-up for the main event, the Inappropriate Surrogacy Request 2015. Brad Bell is far too enamored with human reproduction.

Also, why the hell would anyone want their beloved husband to conceive a child with their sister? So. Fucking. Stupid.

[TobinAlbers]

 

If Nicole's a virgin (which we don't know for sure) then she gets pregnant without having sex first? How fucked up is that?

 

Hey now, The CW has an entire soapy dramedy (adapted from a telenovela) centered around that conceit called 'Jane the Virgin' so it may be messed up, but it's an entertaining as hell kind of messed up :)

[CountryGirl]

This is the one thing I am SO looking forward to. I am entertained as hell by judgy Brooke!

After the vasectomy fiasco, if loving judgy, squinty Brooke is wrong, I don't want to be right.

 

She had initially bugged me with her squinty-eyed perusals of situations she had not business perusing but recently, I realized, wait a cottonpicking minute, for once, she didn't insert herself into this situation, Ridge invited her in to be his confidante. 

 

He told her, his ex-wife, instead of telling Caroline, about a vasectomy, a thing which he should have told Caroline about from jump. I mean, good God, they left their respective significant others for each other. If that didn't indicate that their relationship was serious, serious enough to warrant this conversation months ago, I don't know what would. 

 

Caroline's face, when he told her that not only did Brooke know about the vasectomy but about his failed attempts at reversal/doctor's grim diagnosis, spoke volumes. I could just see the wheels turning, the sense of betrayal, about his withholding this from her and choosing to confide in his ex-wife instead of the supposed  (new) love of his life.

 

I also have to think that she as she was standing there, reeling, that had he told her months ago, it's pretty doubtful that the night with Thomas would have happened. 

 

And I have to say, that while this couple has grown on me, they took several steps back for me recently. Ridge came off like a whiny teenager, pleading with his girlfriend to forgive him for passing notes with his ex-girlfriend in study hall and can't they please still go grab some pizza tonight.

 

As for Rick and Maya - all this investigation and checking with the fertility specialist, etc., should have happened BEFORE she ever approached Nicole. I wholeheartedly agree that Nicole is far too young to be put in the position of having to make this decision for all the reasons you astute posters have already stated, but imagine when the day comes that she turns her flesh and blood over to Maya. What if she cannot do it? 

 

If Nicole were older, it might be a different story.

[Joimiaroxeu]

I also have to think that she as she was standing there, reeling, that had he told her months ago, it's pretty doubtful that the night with Thomas would have happened.

This. Right. Here. I'll be amazed if the show allows her to present much anger and outrage though. The party line seems to be that it's Ridge's world and it's his way or the highway.

 

What if she cannot do it?

I don't think they would let her keep Rick's baby while Maya is still in the picture. Odds are it'll turn out to be Zende's kid, she'll miscarry, or she'll decline to be the surrogate.

[KLovestoShop]

If someone chopped off Steffy's totally ugly pigtail, would she lose all her power? That fake thing hanging over her shoulder is really ratty looking.

Does Maya only have the ability to have one look on her face, which is looking like she's constipated?

[Anna Yolei]

I also have to think that she as she was standing there, reeling, that had he told her months ago, it's pretty doubtful that the night with Thomas would have happened.

Exactly. What Thomas did is on him, but this whole chain of events begins with Ridge hiding shit and not considering the people around him. Again.

He should be thankful he didn't get shot at this time.

[Cupid Stunt]

Does Maya only have the ability to have one look on her face, which is looking like she's constipated?

 

There's the I'm so HappyHappyJoyJoy my Brain Fuse is Blown beatific smile she slaps on her face when everything is going Maya's way.

[Cupid Stunt]

Ridge is as touchy as an old fishwife snapping and shouting about What Thomas Has Done Done Done!

 

With Caroline cowering from Ridge's rage and resentment, defending Thomas's actions on Rape Night, and possible WTD exposure by Brooke, everyone is going to know What Thomas Has Done, Done Done!

 

 

Caroline, snap out of it! Ridge, stop shouting about your disgust in Thomas and shut the fuck up!

 

Get your shit together, morons!

Edited October 15, 2015 by Cupid Stunt

[politichick]

Maya is so fucking incredibly selfish it is amazing. She gives no fucks, damns or shits about how carrying a baby might impact her very young, still maturing emotionally and physically sister. All she cares about is having a baby that's "half forrester, half avant." I hate her. Didn't want to see the parents come to town but I hope that at least one of them reads her the riot act. Even the specialist said just take the eggs and have someone else carry the baby. I just read the recap and I am so pissed I think I may not watch because I don't want to throw something at the TV. WTF, Maya!
 

[Waldo13]

Maya is so fucking incredibly selfish it is amazing. She gives no fucks, damns or shits about how carrying a baby might impact her very young, still maturing emotionally and physically sister. All she cares about is having a baby that's "half forrester, half avant." I hate her. Didn't want to see the parents come to town but I hope that at least one of them reads her the riot act. Even the specialist said just take the eggs and have someone else carry the baby. I just read the recap and I am so pissed I think I may not watch because I don't want to throw something at the TV. WTF, Maya!

Exactly. It's like Maya didn really give a crap as to what the doctor was saying. I want this and Nicole be damned. Now Nicole seemed to think it will be fun to have a baby. Wait for the hormones and morning sickness before you think it's fun.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Waldo13

[Gudzilla]

Steffy: I thought you might be here.

Intern: Did you need me ?

Steffy: No.

Stay classy Steffy, stay classy.

 

The jerk store called, they're running out of Steffy.

[Joimiaroxeu]

What the fug was that thing Steffy was wearing from the waist down? Guess she just wants to be a fashion don't from head to toe.

 

I can't even with Maya or Ridge. Wonder how long it'll be before he's throwing it in Caroline's face what a favor he's doing her by claiming her child with Thomas (as far as we know...) as his own. (Which would legally be his anyway if they're still married when she gives birth.) Bonus points if he adds how he's saving her reputation by not allowing it to be known that she got knocked up by her son-in-law. SMH. Then let's also start the countdown to when Maya will be reminding little sis that she wouldn't be living the high life in the Hills of Beverly and on the verge of snagging her own Forrester man if it weren't for big sis. So she owes her a baby, dammit. KMN.

 

Come on, Brooke. Get on the scent and start figuring stuff out. We're all waiting for you to go super squinty-eyed and blow Ridge's lying game to smithereens.

 

The jerk store called, they're running out of Steffy.

Nah, more like somebody ordered too much Steffy and now they're selling it at the dollar store.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Joimiaroxeu

[godfreydaniels]

 

Come on, Brooke. Get on the scent and start figuring stuff out. We're all waiting for you to go super squinty-eyed and blow Ridge's lying game to smithereens.

Don't know If I can stand that much Brooke time with her one teared up squinty eye and her whispering whiney judgmental voice. Get over with the easy bake oven nicole , rick maya zende storyline, its beginning to get painfully boring to me. Probably wouldn't if I liked some of the actors portrayal of the characters, but Zende and Nicole just. DON'T. do it for me!!

[grisgris]

Ugh. Just when I thought that I couldn't detest Maya or Ridge any more...

 

Zende and Nicole have to be the most boring couple in a long time. I think the fact that the guy who plays Zende is such a horrible actor makes them even more intolerable.

 

I kind of liked Steffy's outfit today but just not on her. It was so strange to see her having a civil conversation with Brooke. I'm all for those two to team up and get all up in CaRidge's business. That would at least get Steffy off of Ivy's case.

 

Caroline looks like a concentration camp victim with that hacked-off hair and crop tops. She's SOoooooo skinny. Could the stylists try dressing her in something else for a change. We get that she's got sexy abs that are going to blow up all to hell here in a few months (well, she'll probably be showing by the end of next week.)

[Waldo13]

Ugh. Just when I thought that I couldn't detest Maya or Ridge any more...

Zende and Nicole have to be the most boring couple in a long time. I think the fact that the guy who plays Zende is such a horrible actor makes them even more intolerable.

I kind of liked Steffy's outfit today but just not on her. It was so strange to see her having a civil conversation with Brooke. I'm all for those two to team up and get all up in CaRidge's business. That would at least get Steffy off of Ivy's case.

Caroline looks like a concentration camp victim with that hacked-off hair and crop tops. She's SOoooooo skinny. Could the stylists try dressing her in something else for a change. We get that she's got sexy abs that are going to blow up all to hell here in a few months (well, she'll probably be showing by the end of next week.)

Caroline what's up with you? You don't have a problem with keeping a secret from Ridge but you have a problem keeping a secret with Ridge. Do you think anybody would buy the fact that Thomas didn't know? You would shoulder the blame as you did with Rick. You say you love Ridge, so just STFU and don't humiliate another husband. Though Rick's humiliation is well deserved.

[Anna Yolei]

I kind of liked Steffy's outfit today but just not on her. It was so strange to see her having a civil conversation with Brooke.

I hope Brooke had the good sense to slap her harder than she did Katie when she found out she was having Nick's kid and tell her where she can go.

The minute she's done using Brooke, it'll be "Logans are the scum of the earth" again. Just like Steffy instantly forgot how supportive Brooke was of that horribly inappropriate relationship with Rick. Brooke have a horrible track record in love herself, but she's at least sincere for the most part. I trust nothing out of Steffy's mouth, not even her grand love for Liam. Like her father before her, the love of her life is Stephanie Forrester.

[RuntheTable]

Wouldn't it have made better sense to talk to the fertility specialist before approaching Nicole? And why on God's green earth did they not include Nicole in that interview? Of course getting the facts would have run counter to Maya's plan of telling Rick, and giving him roughly two seconds to process the idea before ambushing her sister. I was relieved to hear the specialist caution Maya about the dangers of having family members do this, particularly one who is young, and has never been pregnant or had children. Nicole should have heard this first hand; that makes me hope that she listens to Zende. Now, I won't say the young man isn't being self serving, but I do believe that he does have Nicole's best interests at heart. What really needs to happen, is to have someone who is completely unbiased, and who is also a mother, sit down with Nicole and talk to her about the realities of doing this. And I am not only talking about the physical realities of weight gain, and swollen ankles, and aching backs, and needing a pipeline connection to the nearest toilet. But also about the emotional toll, the bond a mother feels with their child, and the long term reality of calling your son or daughter niece or nephew. Nicole is imaging this all in the rosy glow of giving. HA! What I envision is Maya morphing from Nicole's sister into her jailer. Nicole would have no life that Maya didn't approve of, at least until the baby is born, because I have no doubt the minute Nicole pushes out baby Forrester/Avant, that Maya is gonna swoop in and snag that little bundle of joy up quicker than a frog's tongue capturing an insect. I hate this SL. I haven't had a case of the sticky ick's this bad since Ridge was macking on Bridget. 

 

I am also disillusioned with Ridge and Caroline. Actually, I am mighty pissed off that they have taken the most exciting couple this show has seen in years and ruined them. The spark and the hotness are gone for me. Caroline looks like a terrified child, and I am growing more irritated by the day that Ridge is not giving her a voice in this mess. It feels like he is talking out of both sides of his mouth; Thomas was a creep for taking advantage of you, so I shipped him off to Siberia, and even though I know you didn't know what was happening, I am still going to punish you for screwing him by taking charge, and you have nothing to say about it. It really does feel like he is treating Caroline like a child, and is essentially spanking both her and Thomas. I got it at first; Caroline was reeling, and needed Ridge to take the lead and be the strong one. But it is a new day now, and Caroline appears to have regained her footing and her balance, so seriously Ridge, just STFU. 

 

I think I know where this is going and I don't like it. Caroline was the bad girl for kissing Ridge and falling in love with him, so they have to pay a very heavy price. While over at the Forrester Manse, the new Matriarch and Patriarch, are all smiles, and happiness, and fucking sunshine. While Caroline carry's her son-in-laws child and passes it off as her and Ridge's, we will watch their relationship implode from the lie. At the same time, Maya and Rick will get their little Avant/Forrester bundle of joy with everybody knowing its paternity. But that Ridge and Caroline? Those too are just grody to the max you know? Like, they are both wastoids who just need to step off. And Rick and Maya, I mean, because you know they are just so tubular, like so totally bitch'n.

 

I am angry at B&B. As said by my fellow poster NinjaPenguins, I don't want my soap opera to be laced with talk of sperm, and egg donors, and insemination, or gestational pregnancies. I don't want my soap to educate me; I almost feel like I should be taking notes and studying for tomorrow's test as I watch now. Soap operas should be full of romance, and drama, and corporate intrigue, and infidelity. Let me say that my Fuck-It-All meter is running high, and is close to blowing its load all over this shit. Is Bradley living on an island somewhere? Is he really that disconnected from the fans of the B&B? He is turning the show into one continual PSA. Why not just change the fucking name to Soaps For Learning? Or Soaps As Education? Cause there certainly isn't any "operas" going on here. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by RuntheTable

[bubble sparkly]

 

I think I know where this is going and I don't like it. Caroline was the bad girl for kissing Ridge and falling in love with him, so they have to pay a very heavy price. While over at the Forrester Manse, the new Matriarch and Patriarch, are all smiles, and happiness, and fucking sunshine. While Caroline carry's her son-in-laws child and passes it off as her and Ridge's, we will watch their relationship implode from the lie. At the same time, Maya and Rick will get their little Avant/Forrester bundle of joy with everybody knowing its paternity. But that Ridge and Caroline? Those too are just grody to the max you know? Like, they are both wastoids who just need to step off. And Rick and Maya, I mean, because you know they are just so tubular, like so totally bitch'n.

 

Every couple has their happy sunshine phase and their angst phase though.  Ridge and Caroline had what 3-6 months of being happy and now they are doing the angst, whereas Rick and Maya had a couple of months of angst and are now in the sunshine phase.  It always ebbs and flows until a couple breaks up for good.

 

Besides I think it's a bit too early to declare that the Raya surrogacy will go off without a hitch.  There are at least 4 drama-filled surrogacy plot lines that are soap staples:

 

• The bio-daddy and the surrogate bond over the pregnancy and fall in love - They probably won't go this route if the surrogate is Nicole, especially since they have already blown their wad on a "creepy older guy pursues a technically legal but childlike girl" with Ridge and Caroline.

 

• The surrogate is a crazy Sheila type who falls in love with the bio-dad and plans to murder the barren wife and take over her life - Again, they probably won't do this if Nicole is the surrogate, but if she turns it down and a stranger becomes the surrogate...

 

• Insemination mishaps - Either a Brooke/Taylor situation where Nicole gets the wrong sperm/egg implanted, or Nicole will miscarry the Raya baby but then get pregnant with Zende ala Maxie on GH.

 

• Surrogate steals the baby - Nicole will grow to love her bio-baby and will not want to give it up to Rick and Maya, resulting in a dramatic custody fight.

[RuntheTable]

Besides I think it's a bit too early to declare that the Raya surrogacy will go off without a hitch.

 

 

Yeah, I know, bubble sparkly. That was just my angst coming out. I am in a gloomy place with the show right now, so all my forecasting is going to be the same. I am sure they would never let the surrogacy go smoothly, and I have considered a few of your scenarios. Your last example is the one I don't want to see. I remember that terrible case of a surrogate not wanting to give up the child. I think it was during the 80's, but I cannot remember the names of those involved, but it was a huge big deal back then. And it was tragic and sad for all involved. I never want to see that played out on my soap, particularly with someone as young and inexperienced as Nicole. 

 

Please just donate your eggs Nicole, or better yet, let Rick and Maya adopt.

[ch1]

Is he really that disconnected from the fans of the B&B? He is turning the show into one continual PSA. Why not just change the fucking name to Soaps For Learning? Or Soaps As Education? Cause there certainly isn't any "operas" going on here.

 

 

The worst part is his PSAs are terribly told.  The transgender story was pretty much we know Maya did horrible things but love her because she was really a woman trapped in a man's body while including a bad transgender actor who was a literal walking PSA.

 

Now its a case of lets do a surrogate story but have the couple have a two minute conversation; throw it unexpectedly on kid's sister's shoulders; THEN talk to a specialist to get an idea of what they are dealing with.  That's just shitty writing.  Its like they are in a rush to get  through it.

Edited October 16, 2015 by ch1

[ByTor]

"creepy older guy pursues a technically legal but childlike girl" with Ridge and Caroline.

Perfect description!

[Waldo13]

I knew there was no chance that Nicole would say no and for some strange reason this shit show has me at my wits end. I guess it's because of the ultimate selfishness of Rick and Maya in not actually giving a crap about anyone's happiness but their own. They kept bouncing between how great it would be for Nicole to be the surrogate to the absolutely fake concern that they put too much pressure on her. I hope to hell they find that Nicole can't be the surrogate due medical or phycological reasons and curtail Rick's and Maya's bliss. I find it stupid that B&B is actually running two SL with practically the same themes as to Ridge unable to father a child and Maya unable to have children. In a way Nicole's and Caroline's pregnancy will be intertwined in more ways than one. But this is B&B and stupidity abounds. Like with Steffy has a right for Ridge to tell her why Thomas was banished but didn't tell Ridge that Ivy was fired. Both were banished for disloyalty but neither of them knew what the disloyalty was. Of course Steffy plays the family card but shits all over Ivy for doing the same thing. As I said a shit show but I must be insane because I keep watching. WTF.

[Cocoa Puff]

So Nicole will be giving her sister and Rick, her (Nicoles) first born child and Rick will be the daddy, WTF?! Okay I'm checking out again y'all left me know which baby actually makes it, cause Brooke, Seffy, and Hope's didn't. So it's time for someone's right? Who's gonna be the lucky couple?

[Joimiaroxeu]

If they're just going to pin that hair extension on the back of Maya's head could they at least get one that matches her own hair color and texture? It's really odd and distracting to me and I'm getting enough of that with Steffy's Cousin Itt hair.

 

Shut it, Zende. Nicole's decision has nothing to do with you or this sudden promise of a relationship you claim the two of you will have. You haven't even taken her out on a proper date yet. At least Wyatt gave her private jet ride over California airspace.

 

Oh Ridge, banishing someone across the ocean might have worked 200 years ago when communication had to be carried by ship but the Atlantic isn't big enough and Paris isn't remote enough to keep The Secret a secret.

 

Don't hold your breaths Nicole and Maya. Wait until Ma and Pa Avant return. I'm thinking one or both of them is going to have a huge problem with this surrogacy plan and will be going DEFCON 1 to shut it down.

[grisgris]

Ah crap! Seriously, Nicole? And right around the beginning of the holidays, too. I can see both her and Caroline at the Thanksgiving table looking like they swallowed basketballs. Eric will be droning on about "family" and "new grandchildren" all the while Thomas and Caroline will be shooting guilty looks at one another and Zende will be silently seething beneath his folded hands and closed eyes during the Thanksgiving prayer.

 

This all times out perfectly for a Christmas delivery of sorts for somebody -- and I ain't talkin' about the kind from Santa!

[ByTor]

Shut it, Zende. Nicole's decision has nothing to do with you or this sudden promise of a relationship you claim the two of you will have. You haven't even taken her out on a proper date yet. At least Wyatt gave her private jet ride over California airspace.

This was driving me crazy! Sure everybody's allowed to have an opinion, but they haven't known each other nearly long enough for him to be a part of the decision.

[RedRockRosie]

 

 

Now its a case of lets do a surrogate story but have the couple have a two minute conversation; throw it unexpectedly on kid's sister's shoulders; THEN talk to a specialist to get an idea of what they are dealing with.  That's just shitty writing.  Its like they are in a rush to get  through it.

 

Yeah, this story is moving way too fast...and yet everyday is basically a rehash of the previous day. Same conversations...then maybe a slight bit of forward movement when really those conversations should have been deeper in the first place. How can a show be so boring & yet still move so fast?

 

And really Nicole...if you want to help your sister, just give her a dang egg & let another woman carry it. Its called compromise & makes everyone happy...you get to add DNA, Maya gets her baby and you won't be bonding with a child you'll have to give up. I hate it when characters are written as deliberately stupid.

 

Zende....you say no pressure & then you say but I hope you choose us?? Uhm honey, that's called "pressure".

 

 

Shut it Steffy. Just. shut. it. Thank you.

[photo fox]

Dear Show,

When Steffy is the most likeable and sensible person in a scene - scratch that, the entire episode! - you've got a problem.

No love,

pf

[HansMoleman742]

Is Nicole really not an Avant?  Adopted?

[Joimiaroxeu]

Is Nicole really not an Avant?  Adopted?

Whaaa? I haven't seen that spumor anywhere. It would serve Maya right if that turns out to be case but poor Nicole. I hope at least Nicole would find out before she gets pregnant since it would eliminate the whole point of her surrogacy.

[minirth]

I find it stupid that B&B is actually running two SL with practically the same themes as to Ridge unable to father a child and Maya unable to have children.

Thereby, as per soap logic, Ridge and Maya must have a child together!!!

You can't argue that. That's just math. :)

[Cupid Stunt]

I hate this SL because Rick, Maya and Zende are treating Nicole as if she has no agency or volition of her own, but is available to be acted upon by them. And Nicole is acting as if they have every right to treat her that way because she owes them everything.

 

I knew there was no chance that Nicole would say no and for some strange reason this shit show has me at my wits end. I guess it's because of the ultimate selfishness of Rick and Maya in not actually giving a crap about anyone's happiness but their own. They kept bouncing between how great it would be for Nicole to be the surrogate to the absolutely fake concern that they put too much pressure on her.

 

Maya worked harder than a rodeo clown to maneuver Nicole into handing over her life and first born child to fulfill some fantasy for Maya and an imagined debt Nicole thinks she owes her sister and Rick.

 

But that's okay ... Maya and Rick get the Forrester/Avant baby they desire. Nicole pays her debt with ignorance, flesh and blood ... and Zende continues to stall, cranky his talk of a future wasn't enough of an incentive for Nicole to save herself for him alone.

 

 

 

I hope to hell they find that Nicole can't be the surrogate due medical or phycological reasons and curtail Rick's and Maya's bliss.

 

I'd go with that -- Nicole is too ignorant of what's involved with pregnancy to be a good candidate as an incubator. With Mother and Father Avant returning to Los Angeles, they might have some influence with Nicole to kill this baby rabies idiocy. Maybe Nicole can volunteer her eggs and Mother Avant can carry the little bundle of joy ... $Bill slithers in for media coverage. 

 

 

 

I find it stupid that B&B is actually running two SL with practically the same themes as to Ridge unable to father a child and Maya unable to have children. In a way Nicole's and Caroline's pregnancy will be intertwined in more ways than one. But this is B&B and stupidity abounds. Like with Steffy has a right for Ridge to tell her why Thomas was banished but didn't tell Ridge that Ivy was fired. Both were banished for disloyalty but neither of them knew what the disloyalty was. Of course Steffy plays the family card but shits all over Ivy for doing the same thing. As I said a shit show but I must be insane because I keep watching. WTF.

 

Tick and Tock?

 

Killing two birds with one stone?

 

From a business standpoint, Steffy had every reason to be notified Thomas was being sent back to Paris when he was a new member of the design team in Los Angeles. Ridge is the one that's losing his temper and doesn't have a convincing story why Thomas has been sent back.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Cupid Stunt

[ByTor]

From a business standpoint, Steffy had every reason to be notified Thomas was being sent back to Paris when he was a new member of the design team in Los Angeles. Ridge is the one that's losing his temper and doesn't have a convincing story why Thomas has been sent back.

I hate Steffy more than I should hate a fictional character, but I do have to admit that she was right.

[sugarbaker design]

If this were an ABC soap, two simultaneous pregnancies could only mean one thing!!!  Baby switch!

[KerleyQ]

All I could think while watching the Steffy/Liam/Ivy/Wyatt scenes was "Aly died for this shit?" 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Speaking of wishy washy Zende, what happened to the bisexual character the show supposedly sent a casting call out for a few months ago? I was thinking the purpose of that character was to come between Nicole and Zende. (Or wouldn't it be amazing if Zende's the one who's bi.) Nicole's surrogacy won't be much of an issue for them unless she has a problem pregnancy; Maya insists that Nicole forgo the secksay times until the kid is born; or, Zende is squicked out about getting with a pregnant woman.

[Cupid Stunt]

I can't imagine working in an environment where a lemon bar pimping receptionist presents me with a home pregnancy test, the vice president encourages me to take a slash at it to determine if I'm pregnant, Deputy Dawg observes the proceedings, then I can announce the presumably happy news to my fellow employees.

 

Inappropriate and personally invasive barely scratches the surface ... PAM, STUFF THAT BOX UP LIAM'S JUMPER, AND CHARLIE CAN FOCUS THE CAMERA ... IT WILL BE THE THRILL OF A LIFETIME FOR ALL OF YOU ...YIPPEE!!!!

 

IT'S NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS, PINHEADS!

[Shira]

What the hell did I watch today? Was Waffles rehearsing a commencement speech? Auditioning for Up with People? Trying to channel Oprah? He was making me nauseous with all of that treacle about "Live your best lives! Be the best you can be! Work together and work it out!" And you know what, Waffles? Spiteful Steffy IS the real Steffy. I did love it when Steffy told Ivy she looked beautiful and Wyatt winked and said, "Wait until the robe comes off!"

 

Caroline has the worst poker face EVER. The writing and direction is sucking lately because every scene with her has to end with a "GUILTY!!!!!!!!" look. Enough with that already. What exactly is the big deal if people find out she's preggers now? She and Ridge said they want a baby. Why are they making such a mountain out of molehill? (But her black dress today ROCKED.)

 

I need this show to stop pretending that Katie and Ridge still have a nostalgic spark for each other.

 

It's like Maya didn really give a crap as to what the doctor was saying.

 

I know, right? It was painful and hilarious at the same time watching that "informational" session:

 

Surrogacy Rep: It's a REALLY, REEEEEEEEALLY BAD IDEA if somebody you know is your surrogate.

Maya channeling Bambi with the big doe eyes: But everything will turn out okay? I can still ask my teenage virgin sis to carry the baby so it will have half Forrester and half Avant genes? 'Cos that's super important to us!

Surrogate Rep: Well, WE HIGHLY DISCOURAGE IT. If your sister hasn't even had a baby of her own yet...

Maya: But as long as we have a good relationship?

Surrogacy Rep: Oh, fuck it...do whatever the hell you want!

Maya: HOORAY!!! 1/2 Forrester and 1/2 Avant!!! Full steam ahead!!!

Edited October 19, 2015 by Shira