Episode Discussion: TFGH

[ciarra]

5 hours ago, ByaNose said:

Why is Robert taking a statement from Sam & Jason? Isn't that some lackey's job? 

He's driving the plot exposition bus, because everyone hates Jason and Sam, this is the only way they can find out about the Franco memory thing.

[statsgirl]

Today in Made Up Medicine: According to Michael's medical records, his heart problem was caused by his premature birth. Wiley was full term so that shouldn't apply. Also just because something is heredity doesn't mean it is expressed in every generation (unless it's a dominant gene). There are multiple causes of PDA, family history increases the chances but doesn't always produce it.

Baseline. I do not think that word means what you  think it means.

There are 100 billion interconnected cells in the human brain. If only 1 % are memories, there are still far too many to put on a flash drive.

Sam: Jason, is there anything they can do about Franco's memories?  Yes, Sam, ask the brain-injured hitman about neuroscience.  I hate how stupid Sam is whenever she is with Jason.

I'm glad that TR is back but I want Robert Scorpio to do more than be an errand boy for JaSam and Finn.  Also Robert, I don't think Liz and Cam for starters would be okay with you dropping all the charges against Cabot for finding out which of Anna's memories is fake. Do a damned blood test if you're still curious about Peter.

[Bringonthedrama]

🤮=Maxie's line to Peter that she has him so a crush on Jax is unnecessary. It's also pathetic propping that she's just generalizing/dismissing what Dr. O's done in the past which includes the hell her beloved cousin Robin survived, all because Dr. O is "James's grandmother."

Franco as Drew is an ass. I can't picture the real Drew grabbing and kissing a woman he hasn't seen in years, and then getting angry and walking away when she doesn't swoon and tell him what he wants to hear.  I thought TB played all the reactionary scenes well. And then I was shocked to see Sam and Drew speaking face-to-face. 

Bless you Robert, for lying to Valentin. What an ass (to Jax yes, but also in general).  Speaking of Jax, Hayden shut up you are not a pimp.  You did something stupid, find a clever way to get out of it that doesn't involved using someone who doesn't deserve it. 

Brad is an ass plus he's just plain stupid. I felt for Lucas in the scene at the computer.

I laughed at Franco calling Jason "rich Quartermaine with my face" in the preview. I thought Drew never had any knowledge of Jason, that Faison discovered the twin thing as "luck" re: Drew and Jason?

[ffwbe]

So Drew knew who Jason Q was? Did we know that?

[Bringonthedrama]

18 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

  I hate how stupid Sam is

Many of us feel this way.  [Insert music note] Youuuu are not allllonnnne [insert music note] (Sorry I don't have a gif of Patrick, Sabrina and the rest singing it for baby Purina during the Nurse's Ball).

[WendyCR72]

3 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Many of us feel this way.  [Insert music note] Youuuu are not allllonnnne [insert music note] (Sorry I don't have a gif of Patrick, Sabrina and the rest singing it for baby Purina during the Nurse's Ball).

Why? Why do you hurt me?

[ffwbe]

So we had Drew telling Kim to tell Franco that they have no history if he tries to pursue her again. I was wondering how they would set up a triangle for Liz/Franco/Kim since I couldn’t see her just actively pursuing Franco even with him having Drew’s memories. I guess they’ll have Kim feeling connected to Franco and wanting to know more about how Drew felt about her back then which will cause issues between her and Liz 

[ulkis]

Can Maxie and Peter scenes start having a point, please? That said Maxie looked much better today. 

[rur]

Julian,  get Kim out of town ASAP.  

Nothing good can  happen in PC since everyone's been  drinking the stupidity-inducing water again. I'm having a lot of trouble willingly suspending my disbelief enough to accept a plot in which a patient who's just had an unknown, brain-changing procedure performed on him essentially against his will is left alone, unmonitored by person or device (except unofficial drop-ins), not  in an ICU or an isolation unit; and when he "decides" to leave the hospital, neither hospital personnel or burly acquaintances attempt to stop him or call hospital security. Good Grief.

Edited August 15, 2019 by rur

[perkie1968]

5 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

Did he map Franco's brain? Do those memories exist somewhere? 

There was no time to map Franco's brain.  Drew's memories were implanted on top of Franco's which was never done before which is why Liz and now Drew are saying the memories might be reversible or some of Franco's memories will fight their way to the forefront.  It's really uncharted territory from what we've previously been told, so they can do whatever they want even if it's not how things were done originally with Drew and Jason.  

5 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

now that they've got Cabot in custody-- why hasnt anyone asked him if the process can be reversed?

Robert told Finn that Cabot wants a deal, in exchange for his knowledge, he will tell them which of Anna's memories are really Alex's.  Then they cut to a scene with Peter, so lets a guess on what that memory is.  

[BlancheDevoreaux]

Wardrobe is horrible. First they insisted on dressing Maxie in clothes from Stein Mart as if sheis much older than she is and not the fashion editor of a magazine. Then, today they had Sam in some horribly unflattering jeans. Kelly weighs all of 100 pounds but her jeans had her looking like her ass was twice as wide and she had a mom-pooch. What on earth, wardrobe?

[dubbel zout]

18 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Robert told Finn that Cabot wants a deal, in exchange for his knowledge, he will tell them which of Anna's memories are really Alex's.  Then they cut to a scene with Peter, so lets a guess on what that memory is.  

Oh, FFS. We're still on this? Didn't Anna decide she didn't care if Peter is her bio kid or not? Why do we have to suffer through yet another round of this nonsense?

[TeeVee329]

What's this I hear about a mob front company having a softball team?!?!?!?!

[dubbel zout]

I'm having a hard time believing that Sam and Jason care one iota about what's happening with Franco. They might care how it affects people around him, but they'll cheer if he goes into a vegetative state.

I love that SBu was stuck in that horrible uniform for most of another episode. Hee.

[nilyank]

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Oh, FFS. We're still on this? Didn't Anna decide she didn't care if Peter is her bio kid or not? Why do we have to suffer through yet another round of this nonsense?

Anna doesn't care but Robert does. He wants to prove that Peter is not Anna's son and Robin's brother.

So does the Metrocourt have a softball team?

If Shiloh wasn't arrested for all his crimes, would Dawn of Day have a team as well?

[TeeVee329]

Just now, nilyank said:

Anna doesn't care but Robert does. He wants to prove that [LWB/FS] is not Anna's son and Robin's brother.

[IWantCandy71]

So they fired Billy Miller ? I called that when I heard Burton was coming back. I don't even care that much about BM's acting, but he beats rings around SBu's resting constipated face.  I haven't watched in about two years except for the episode where Oscar died. But that by itself, more than enough evidence that they don't care about talent when choosing who goes or stays. That ain't nothing new.

Edited August 16, 2019 by IWantCandy71

[Hater]

Sam was nasty today.  Nobody asked you to show up to the hospital and try to get information out of Franco.  Showing up and then giving attitude was annoying as hell.

Wish this character would get hit by a bus but unfortunately the show is stuck with her.

Edited August 16, 2019 by Hater

[ciarra]

I know the show paid a lot for baseball uniforms, but Maxie and Peter?  You should remove your hat when you're indoors. 

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, Hater said:

Sam was nasty today.  Nobody asked you to show up to the hospital and try to get information out of Franco.  Showing up and then giving attitude was annoying as hell.

What the hell was that all about?  "I know he's still recovering, but I'd like to speak to him."  Why didn't Elizabeth or Drew say "Why, crazy?" 

[Hater]

6 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

What the hell was that all about?  "I know he's still recovering, but I'd like to speak to him."  Why didn't Elizabeth or Drew say "Why, crazy?" 

It made no sense...she went from the penthouse "the Drew I never met" and wanting to know about him  (for what, who knows?) to being a nasty a-hole at the hospital, trying to speak to him?   Who the hell does she think she is?  No one asked her to be there and like you said Drew and Liz should have said "what the hell do you want?"  All this action for Franco, a man she despises.

The character is just yucky.   She comes across as totally unaware of other's feelings besides Jason's of course.

Edited August 16, 2019 by Hater

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, IWantCandy71 said:

So they fired Billy Miller ? 

No.

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm having a hard time believing that Sam and Jason care one iota about what's happening with Franco. They might care how it affects people around him, but they'll cheer if he goes into a vegetative state.

I don't know if you've noticed, but FV's Franco praise Franco agenda has been a touch on overdrive the past few days. 😛

[Hater]

Roger is horrible at "Drew."  Can someone explain to me the accent he does? What the hell is that?  The other thing is he says "m'am" alot, that's about the only Billy Miller Drew thing he does and he does it even more than Billy does!

Edited August 16, 2019 by Hater

[tvgoddess]

I can't with this show today. The only thing it made me really want to do is have a beer. They were downing those like crazy at TFR. And "Drew" was a colossal dick, So what if someone calls you Franco? You don't have to throw a shot glass in someone's place of business. What would your superior officer have to say about that?

Sam's lipstick is completely distracting. It looks like she's getting ready to do a porno flick, sorry.

Brad is stupid. He acts like he's never heard of a phone before.

Not that I care, but it seems like they're really screwing with the TL on the whole Drew story.

I hope they do go through with Jax and Liesl on a date. It would be hysterical and 100% better than this dreck they're serving up.

[perkie1968]

14 hours ago, ffwbe said:

So Drew knew who Jason Q was? Did we know that?

What if OG Drew didn't know but Franco's Drew knows because some of Franco's memories are mixing in with OG's Drew memories and coming to the forefront.  

Or the writers have forgotten what they wrote and are making up shit as they go along.  

[BlancheDevoreaux]

1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

What if OG Drew didn't know but Franco's Drew knows because some of Franco's memories are mixing in with OG's Drew memories and coming to the forefront.  

Or the writers have forgotten what they wrote and are making up shit as they go along.  

Ding ding ding! My gosh. Not long ago, the story was it had to be identical twins. Now that's not the case but maybe there will be other complications? Sounds like writer speak for "we will use this to write whatever crap enters our brains."

[Asp Burger]

8 hours ago, ciarra said:

I know the show paid a lot for baseball uniforms, but Maxie and Peter?  You should remove your hat when you're indoors. 

That isn't the part I minded, as it was a casual place. But the actor who plays Peter looks weird in a baseball cap in any surroundings, and I could barely concentrate on their dialogue because I was trying to figure out what was off about it. Just the shape of his head? 

Fortunately, as @ulkis noted, Maxie and Peter rarely have a point, so no loss. This current writing regime really oversells the redemption and guilt of former villains. The angstfest drags on so long that I just want them to shut up after a while. 

[Captanne]

I muttered up thread about Franco's appalling physical performance as a member of the military (enlisted?  officer?)  He looks like he's got jock itch.

It does make sense to me that Jason (and Sam) are interested in Drew's memories (of which Franco is now an integral part) but I didn't see the switcheroo when Miller arrived to take over the part of Jason Morgan so I don't know the particulars of why.  Also?  I stopped caring to even ask because the show is so all over the map with continuity in that plotline, I can't possibly keep up.

Edited August 16, 2019 by Captanne

[Cheyanne11]

8 hours ago, Hater said:

Roger is horrible at "Drew."  Can someone explain to me the accent he does? What the hell is that? 

It's SOOOOO distracting--and I can't even figure out what it's supposed to be.  A touch of a Southern drawl with a frat boy sluggish kicker?  Who thought THIS was a good idea?

[ulkis]

Shades of TG in Fluke, who tried a different accent every other scene. Alas, I doubt RH will retire right after this storyline.

[dubbel zout]

10 hours ago, ulkis said:

I don't know if you've noticed, but FV's Franco praise Franco agenda has been a touch on overdrive the past few days. 😛

@ me when Sonny starts, please.

[Katy M]

I'm wondering if someone who is injected with memories would speak with their accent at all.  Do your mouth and vocal cords have something like muscle memory?  Or is that replaced with magic memories also?  How does this work?  I'm finding this whole thing ridiculously stupid.  Maybe we need a visit from Casey the Alien. Or for Diego to come back and start killing people again.

[Hater]

2 hours ago, Captanne said:

I muttered up thread about Franco's appalling physical performance as a member of the military (enlisted?  officer?)  He looks like he's got jock itch.

It does make sense to me that Jason (and Sam) are interested in Drew's memories (of which Franco is now an integral part) but I didn't see the switcheroo when Miller arrived to take over the part of Jason Morgan so I don't know the particulars of why.  Also?  I stopped caring to even ask because the show is so all over the map with continuity in that plotline, I can't possibly keep up.

She wanted to get info on Shiloh but that is not made clear at all with her storming into the hospital like she's a police officer needing to take a statement.  

[ffwbe]

3 hours ago, Captanne said:

I muttered up thread about Franco's appalling physical performance as a member of the military (enlisted?  officer?)  He looks like he's got jock itch.

It does make sense to me that Jason (and Sam) are interested in Drew's memories (of which Franco is now an integral part) but I didn't see the switcheroo when Miller arrived to take over the part of Jason Morgan so I don't know the particulars of why.  Also?  I stopped caring to even ask because the show is so all over the map with continuity in that plotline, I can't possibly keep up.

I think they only care about Drew’s memories because of Shiloh (+either Sam/Jason/Sonny/Carly have to be shoved into every storyline)

[Captanne]

That seems to be the answer -- the Corinthii hitman team are interested in the memories because of Shiloh......but I've been watching since then and I'm not clear why.  I know Shiloh thinks there's $1M (cue picture of Dr. Evil) floating around somewhere but the Qs are rich.  Presumably, so is Jason.  I know Shiloh has done mean things to Sam (what with the whole freezer fiasco and such....)  I know there is some WSB connection -- but that is a mystery to me.  Is there more?  Something obvious I'm missing?

Edited August 16, 2019 by statsgirl
removed accidental double posting

[Cheyanne11]

4 minutes ago, Captanne said:

That seems to be the answer -- the Corinthii hitman team are interested in the memories because of Shiloh......but I've been watching since then and I'm not clear why.  I know Shiloh thinks there's $1M (cue picture of Dr. Evil) floating around somewhere but the Qs are rich.  Presumably, so is Jason.  I know Shiloh has done mean things to Sam (what with the whole freezer fiasco and such....)  I know there is some WSB connection -- but that is a mystery to me.  Is there more?  Something obvious I'm missing?

I'm not sure what you're asking, but Jason and Sam have dubbed Shiloh New Public Enemy #1 and want to know what EVUL he did back when Drew knew him so they can presumably visit him in lockup and tell him how he's going to prison forever and how happy they are about that (only being half sarcastic).

The Q's and their money have nothing to do with the Afghanistan plot.

[RedRockRosie]

RH's portrayal of "Dranco" makes me imagine if Todd Manning (OLTL- still miss that show, dammit) had been in military school this is how he'd act. I wonder about the anger stuff, too. Throwing a shot glass at the bar? Then again, dude just got his brain kinda scrambled and like then they put a layer of melted  cheese Drew  memories over it so maybe that did something? 🤪

Sure would have been nice to see BM/Drew play out his own frikkin' backstory. Such a waste of his time on show. Still I hate to see him go.😥

[IWantCandy71]

13 hours ago, ulkis said:

No.

So he quit ? That's awesome lol. He's better off.

[IWantCandy71]

2 hours ago, Katy M said:

I'm wondering if someone who is injected with memories would speak with their accent at all.  Do your mouth and vocal cords have something like muscle memory?  Or is that replaced with magic memories also?  How does this work?  

Well, it's GH, so it won't make sense. I would think you'd speak with the accent and cadence of the person your brain thinks you are. But Drew and Franco don't have markedly different ways of talking. I don't think you detect much difference in speech alone. Unless one has a trademark phrase the other never uses or something like that.

[Captanne]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I'm not sure what you're asking, but Jason and Sam have dubbed Shiloh New Public Enemy #1 and want to know what EVUL he did back when Drew knew him so they can presumably visit him in lockup and tell him how he's going to prison forever and how happy they are about that (only being half sarcastic).

The Q's and their money have nothing to do with the Afghanistan plot.

I only mentioned the money because the missing $1M shouldn't be a motivation for Jason and Sam to be interested in Shiloh.

[Cheyanne11]

20 minutes ago, Captanne said:

I only mentioned the money because the missing $1M shouldn't be a motivation for Jason and Sam to be interested in Shiloh.

It's not.  

[dubbel zout]

Shut up, Dev. Ugh. I'm so tired of him being a smartass. It's annoying and dumb. You know nothing, you stupid child! 

LOL at Elizabeth's sweatshirt and jeans and enormous wedges. I know when I'm feeling blue and need to feel comfortable, my first choice of footwear is high heels.

[Bringonthedrama]

I am seriously shocked that Jason acknowledged "my brother AJ." Yet the show is still so predictable - as soon as Franco started yelling at Jason and caught Chase's attention, I figured he would punch Chase and get arrested as a result. With that temper, snarky way about him and lack of impulse control he is definitely not trying to be Drew. He comes off as someone who couldn't make it past basic in the military. 

Cam is such a sweet son; Elizabeth is damned lucky. I was awwwing over him while rolling my eyes over Dev with Joss, S&C with Sam, and Finn and Hayden. We get it, Hayden is still in love with him and hiding their kid somewhere or perhaps visiting the kid with his/her adoptive family. 

Good to see Drew with Monica but what happened to Monica's hand/wrist? I thought it was interesting that Jason was reiterating the past with Franco while Monica was doing the same with Drew.

Edited August 16, 2019 by statsgirl
removed accidental double posting

[dubbel zout]

I don't understand vow renewals, tbh, and I really don't want to see MB try to squeeze out a few tears while Sonny recommits to the harpy he's married to.

I agree that Franco/Drew's anger is out of line. Frustration I understand, but punching people? Nope. That's a very Jason reaction.

[ulkis]

Okay, NOW I feel for Kelly Monaco, having to act excited about Sonny and Carly having a mere freaking vow renewal, when they've been married 5 fucking times. 

I hate to say it, but shut up Robert. How could he say for sure whether Sonny didn't contribute to Dante's mental condition? Having a self absorbed giant asshole for a father could be very stressful. And shut up Sonny for making it about himself.

Hayden and Liz are cute.

[statsgirl]

I really liked the Elizabeth/Cameron scenes, Elizabeth being Elizabeth and hoping in dreams and Cameron being the one to be realist and steady her.  She raised her kids right and deserves good, supportvie kids back.

"You may have survived on the streets of Ankara but you've never been in an American high school."  SHUT UP, JOSS.  This is the attitude that puts off people from other countries. Also, no one living on the streets of Ankara gives a rat's ass about the American civil war if they even know it exists so stop making Dev such a Gary Stu, show.

9 hours ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

Ding ding ding! My gosh. Not long ago, the story was it had to be identical twins. Now that's not the case but maybe there will be other complications? Sounds like writer speak for "we will use this to write whatever crap enters our brains."

Identical twins to work right. There was some talk about how dangerous it is since Cameron and Franco don't share the same DNA as Drew (although since Franco is Drew's second cousin, they would  share about 12.5%).

7 hours ago, Captanne said:

It does make sense to me that Jason (and Sam) are interested in Drew's memories (of which Franco is now an integral part) but I didn't see the switcheroo when Miller arrived to take over the part of Jason Morgan so I don't know the particulars of why.  Also?  I stopped caring to even ask because the show is so all over the map with continuity in that plotline, I can't possibly keep up.

There is zero reason for Sam and Jason to be involved in the storyline other than Jason has to be involved in everyone's storyline. Also Sonny and Carly because there was no reason to have Sam go over to Carson to tell them about Franco.

Jason and Sam got involved because they were determined to save Kristina from the cult, and even after she got out, Sam wanted to put Shiloh away and kind of joined the cult. So now she's all traumatized because Shiloh put her in a freezer because she decided to go through his hotel room looking for the drive.

Jason is involved because he has to save Sam since she can't save herself.  Also Shiloh wanted to put Drew's memories into Jason since it's an identical twin thing.

3 hours ago, RedRockRosie said:

RH's portrayal of "Dranco" makes me imagine if Todd Manning (OLTL- still miss that show, dammit) had been in military school this is how he'd act. I wonder about the anger stuff, too. Throwing a shot glass at the bar? Then again, dude just got his brain kinda scrambled and like then they put a layer of melted  cheese Drew  memories over it so maybe that did something? 🤪

Sure would have been nice to see BM/Drew play out his own frikkin' backstory. Such a waste of his time on show. Still I hate to see him go.😥

This is something that the show hasn't addressed at all -- that memories are not the only thing that make who a person is.  Franco and Jason have an anger and a narcissism that Drew doesn't, so FrancenDrew is a different person than Drew is..

I hate that SBu is getting more time in Drew's story than BM is.

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL at Elizabeth's sweatshirt and jeans and enormous wedges. I know when I'm feeling blue and need to feel comfortable, my first choice of footwear is high heels.

I laughed yesterday when she got up from the couch in Franco's room, all comfy sleeping in her sweats and there were her 4" heels.

[Linny]

Ugh, Sam as Sonny and Carly's bestie, fucking spare me. I'm dreading this dumb vow renewal, which is basically the show saying "we don't know what to do with this couple so here's a baby AND a vow renewal because we suck at our jobs, you're welcome."

Drew and Monica hit me right in the feels today since it may be the last time we see Billy's Drew with his mom. Monica's always been so good at connecting with Drew, often serving as his sounding board when he's upset or conflicted, and always assuring him that he's one of hers regardless of his upbringing. I'll really miss their dynamic.

There's really no reason to write Franco's Drew as knowing all along of Jason's existence and being openly disdainful of him except to make maintain the hostilities between Franco and Jason. And by making FrancenDrew such an undisciplined, unlikable jerk, it tarnishes Drew's image as an upstanding man. I guess it could be argued that our Drew was never an authentic model to begin with since he has Jason's memories, but still, I can't imagine how a man with Drew's military pedigree could be so disastrously hotheaded and inappropriate.

[HeatLifer]

9 minutes ago, Linny said:

undisciplined, unlikable jerk,

This is all RoHo knows how to play. It’s in his mannerisms with just about every character he’s ever portrayed.

[Hater]

Frank is dead set on telling Billy to go f himself, so this is the crap that's playing out.

Edited August 17, 2019 by Hater

[RedRockRosie]

4 hours ago, statsgirl said:

This is something that the show hasn't addressed at all -- that memories are not the only thing that make who a person is.  Franco and Jason have an anger and a narcissism that Drew doesn't, so FrancenDrew is a different person than Drew is..

I hate that SBu is getting more time in Drew's story than BM is.

This! Hate this as much as I hate the Corinthii.😡