S02.E13: Night Train

[RedFire2000]

Setrakian and Fet battle for possession of the Occido Lumen, and gain a surprising new ally. A massive attack imperils Eph, Nora, and Zack's escape from New York.

 

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Hope some major event happens, to move the story along.

[Human]

I wonder what would happen if someone were to watch only the first episode of this season and the last.  Would they be lost?  Feel like they missed anything?  The plot 'movement' here seems worse than a daytime soap.

[ottoDbusdriver]

Setrakian and Fet battle for possession of the Occido Lumen, and gain a surprising new ally.

 

I'm guessing the new ally is Gus, Angel and Quinlan and the crew Gus just recruited.  But how would they know where to go support Fet and Setrakian ? 

 

A massive attack imperils Eph, Nora, and Zack's escape from New York.

 

If Snake Plissken shows up to defeat the massive attack of vamps, I will be impressed.

[briochetwist]

I wonder what would happen if someone were to watch only the first episode of this season and the last.  Would they be lost?  Feel like they missed anything?  The plot 'movement' here seems worse than a daytime soap.

So true.  This show is all over the map, I've long forgotten what the actual plot is.  Eph wants to stay with Kelly, Kelly's moved on, Eph gets back together with Nora, I think they're a couple, nope, Eph bangs some woman he meets in DC and suddenly his relationship with Nora is over.  Later Eph tells her he still loves her. WTF?  Wait, weren't there some sort of vampires around that are taking over the city that we should be dealing with?

 

The writing on this show reminds me of a game I used to play as a kid, where everyone around a circle takes turns creating some part of a story, where everyone contributes to it and it makes no sense by the time you're done with it.  Fun at a campfire, sucky on television.

 

This season just blows.

Edited September 30, 2015 by briochetwist

[xaxat]

I wonder what would happen if someone were to watch only the first episode of this season and the last.  Would they be lost?  Feel like they missed anything?  The plot 'movement' here seems worse than a daytime soap.

 

For the characters they knew from the previous season (Eph, Fet, Palmer, Setrakian etc.) they would have missed absolutely nothing. Eph is still bumbling around trying to design a bio weapon. Dutch is still too damaged to connect with a smitten Fet. Setrakian is still trying to get his hands on a McGuffin that will change everything. Palmer is still in a shady relationship with the master. And Zack is still annoying.

 

The only person that has really moved the plot forward is Justine. 

Edited October 1, 2015 by xaxat

[SimoneS]

Good finale. But Oh no, Nora. Sweet Nora. Up to now, I have refused to hate on Zack, but fuck him, fuck him! I did not expect Nora to die. The Master killing Coco was so fake. It is hard to believe that she went from being a nice cautious woman to a grasping greedy woman in the space of a few days. I still hate that she died instead of Palmer. Why did the regular two women have to be killed?

 

If nothing else this shows how stupid and greedy some human beings can be. It does not occur to those workers that something is wrong building the slaughter house? That guy on the train actually thinks that money will help him now.

 

Ha, the Ancients have bank, I enjoyed Eichhort's reaction to Palmer withdrawing his access to the gold. Fet and Abraham's reactions to the fence's comment about the helicopter cracked me up. It is clear that they had not thought through what they would do when they got the Lumen. Fet's comment about throwing down against one gang of monsters and double crossing the other was hysterical. Abraham should have warned Fet..

 

Quinlan rallying the criminals was fun and ridiculous.. I knew that Quinlan and his crew would be along to save Abraham and Fet, but the Angel in the mask added to the comical aspect to the whole confrontation. I was glad that Fet had an escape hatch at the bottom of the van. Hopefully, Abraham and Quinlan can work together to defeat the Master.

Edited October 5, 2015 by SimoneS

[raven]

Haven't seen it all, but I've seen enough to know that Zach has cemented his legacy as the worst kid on TV.  Though why Nora stopped when he yelled, I have no idea.

 

Oh yeah, Palmer was dumb to think he had any power with Eichorst & the Master.  

Edited October 5, 2015 by raven

[spaulding]

I fuckin' hate you, Zach.  I fuckin' hate you with the fury of a 1000 suns. 

 

You cost us Mr. Fitzwilliam.  Now, you cost us Nora.  She was so badass when she was trying to protect your sorry ass. 

 

I fuckin' hate you.

[Primetimer]

Maybe The Strain should have spread some of those bottle rockets out earlier in the season.

Read the story

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Why show, Why?!

[Lila82]

Two women died to service manpain. Screw you, show.

Where was Dutch? The merry band of boaters is about the only plotline holding my interest and they've left the dock without her. I really hope we didn't endure the Eichorst torture porn so she could run of with Nikki.

CHILLS every time Eichorst and Setrakian face off. Their relationship is simultaneously the best and worst thing about this show.

[SimoneS]

It just occurred to me that having Quinlan's crew with Abraham and Fet will greatly improve the show if there is a next season. Hopefully, the writers will take this opportunity to merge and reduce the number of stories since they suck at writing the ones they have now. Abraham/Fet with Quinlan and Gus would share one story as would Eph and Dutch who I expect would reunite and look for Fet and Abraham. The third story would be the Master/Eichhorst/Palmer.

Edited October 5, 2015 by SimoneS

[ratgirlagogo]

For god's sack we're in Lost territory here. Fuck you Carlton Cuse. Everything that happened this episode could have happened three or four episodes ago. This isn't the way you write a season finale. All the most interesting characters are just left hanging, ZACH IS STILL ALIVE, and I am getting the distinct feeling that the writers are treading water ala Lost because they don't know what the story trajectory actually is.

Damn it show I keep trying to be on your side and you keep on being an asshole.

[thuganomics85]

Move over Master and Eichorst: as far as I'm concerned, Zach is the true villain of this show.  Nora's death is all on him.  He distracted her, let Kelly get her, and he even didn't bother trying to redeem himself and finally finishing his mother off.  Nope, he instead hugs her and goes away with her.  Fuck off, Zach.  I'm sure this stupid show wants me to feel for him because it's his precious mommy, but nope.  He just let a woman who cared for him die.  Asshole.  That little shit needs to die the worst way possible.

 

Coco's death wasn't as infuriating, but just plain stupid.  The whole thing was rushed and dumb.  She started out innocent and naive, gets turn and fully is into it, and suddenly thinks she can challenge The Master?  And Palmer fall for it?  Yeah, what an idiot.  Since when as The Master ever showed that he'd be willing to be a team player?  Just ask fucking Eichorst of all people: loyal for decades, and still used as a whipping boy.  It's hard for me to be intrigued by Palmer, if he's going to be this dumb.

 

Of course, boring as Gus somehow survived that explosion.  Of all the people to have plot armor on this show, it had to be him.

 

Only stuff I liked was the bidding stuff, because Vasiliy/Abe are always awesome, and Eichorst vs. Abe is even better.  I just wish David Bradley, Richard Sammel, and Kevin Durand were on a better show, because they deserve it.

 

I'll probably be back though, but I'm going to be pissed for now.  I can only hope Mia Maestro finds better stuff after this stupid "twist."

[Ruby25]

Ok, so I made it through this dire season, but I am totally done with this show now. Zack is the world's worst TV kid ever, and why did they decide to kill off the one female series regular on the show? (Or maybe the hacker girl is a regular too, but still). And what the hell was with the setup this season of a showdown and "rivalry" between Kelly and Nora over Zack, as though his actual father isn't the more important person to the kid overall, and the one at fault in the marriage breaking up, etc? Ugh, it reeks of a weird, old-fashioned pit the women against each other trope.

 

I'm so glad I'm done now. Peace out, guys.

[cheatincheetos]

This show is all over the map, I've long forgotten what the actual plot is.  Eph wants to stay with Kelly, Kelly's moved on, Eph gets back together with Nora, I think they're a couple, nope, Eph bangs some woman he meets in DC and suddenly his relationship with Nora is over.  Later Eph tells her he still loves her. WTF?  Wait, weren't there some sort of vampires around that are taking over the city that we should be dealing with?

 

  Yes. It reminds me of when Walking Dead first began to stray from the apocalyptic survival plot into this interminable soap opera between Rick, Shane and the bottomless well of annoyance that was Lori. To "save on production costs".

[lulee]

I think I read previously that Kelly getting Zach was canon, but was Nora dying trying to keep him also in the book?

[Rhetorica]

I think I read previously that Kelly getting Zach was canon, but was Nora dying trying to keep him also in the book?

Taking this to the book thread.

[AlliePK]

It just occurred to me that having Quinlan's crew with Abraham and Fet will greatly improve the show if there is a next season. 

 

The show was picked up for a third season to air next summer.

[nurse1]

Ok, so I made it through this dire season, but I am totally done with this show now.

I'm so glad I'm done now. Peace out, guys.

 

Me too....the writers could have done so much better..

[CletusMusashi]

Somewhere off the coast of Westeros, Gendry is sitting in a rowboat, saying "Wow. That Gus character is useless."

[bosawks]

So we end the season with a traumatized, assaulted Dutch and a dead Nora.

 

I give up, I'm out.

[CletusMusashi]

By the way, how many gunmen are maintaining control of Auction Island? A dozen maybe?

Seems like Quinlan could have just gone there, kicked some ass, and gotten the book weeks ago.

Edited October 5, 2015 by CletusMusashi

[diebartdie]

For fucks sake, Nora managed to CUT HER OWN MOTHER'S HEAD OFF without flinching yet she couldnt cut off the head of Kelly?!?!?!?!? Fuck you show, Im out.

[hardy har]

For the record, I have seen pretty much all the principal actors on this show in other things and they all deserve to much better than this mess.

 

Nora, you were always the nice one, but it was very cruel of you to lie to Eph before you died. Kelly did not "take Zach away" at all. You should've gone out shouting the truth to Eph. You, know.....something more along the lines of, "I had Kelly dead-to-rites and told Zach to run, but he tried to get me to stop and that's when KELLY INFECTED ME because I was distracted. Then, as I laid here slowly dying I watched your little shit of a kid (who I was trying to protect) actively speak to and then embrace Kelly. Then, they walked away holding hands as I pleaded with him to stop. So, you know what you can do to make this ok, Eph? Find your idiot wife and your waste of a child, who constantly put our group in danger, and kill those assholes."

 

At least she went out like a badass.

 

We were subjected to a Palmer/Coco kiss again and it was still the most traumatizing thing on screen. I did LOL hard at Palmer's face when The Master killed her. Expressing anguish and not a strong point for Jonathan Hyde. So, since he was cutting out CoCo's heart at the end is he going to be . . . like Setrakian now? I'm betting that he'll want to join up with our Scooby Gang now that his beloved is dead.

 

It's not good when I constantly forget The Master is the Big Bad of the show. He's practically a non-entity and Eichorst is infinitely more intimidating and interesting. That whole shot of them in Palmer's office/apartment/whatever wasn't helping either. It still looked like Eichhorst was the Boss and Bolivar/Master was his goon.

 

I also don't understand why The Master doesn't just kill Palmer and take his money, but whatever.

 

Where does this leave our female characters:

Nora: Dead. Boooooooo!

Dutch: Not shown at all. Possibly still sitting on Secretly Pregnant Nikki's porch and her last plot left her kidnapped, tortured and the victim of an incredibly fucked-up attempted rape. Thanks, show. Do you even remember she was all about killing vombies at the start of the season?

Justine: Not shown. Possibly facing indictment. The only character on the show who seemed to be moving any plot forward and we get nothing. Thanks again show. Idiots.

Kelly: "Alive" and well and reunited with her shitty kid. Fuck you, show. For real.

 

Ugh.

Edited October 5, 2015 by hardy har

[xaxat]

Because it can't be said enough, FUCK YOU ZACK!

 

That kid really is the worst. (Although the fact that Eph is a drunk also contributed to Nora's death.) I was on the fence about watching the next season, but the loss of Mia Maestro really reduces the odds. Nora was the only one of our merry band on misfits that showed any kind of character development over the last two seasons. 

[MrHufflepuff]

If I was at the auction, I would have told the Auctioneers that Eichorst is a vampire.  Ok, maybe they wouldn't care and would do business with a vampire, so no loss, but maybe they would have freaked out and killed him. 

[Garnett7]

I kinda feel bad saying this about a kid but --- I hate that kid!!!!!!! Ugh! It's clear the dumb little bastard would rather go live as a monster with his vampire mother so let him. I'm done with that idiot.

 

Poor Nora. She was a favorite of mine. :(

 

Oh, Eph. You're like the Keystone Cops of the Vampire Apocalypse.

 

Fet and Abe continue to be awesome. Glad you got dead, Coco.

Edited October 5, 2015 by Garnett7

[lasandi]

LOL, I was just going to come on here and say at last Zack is with is freaking mother but you guys said it all way better. Good riddance!

[Hanahope]

Ok, so Eph just had to go get a drink, that led to him being separated from Nora and Zach.  Then Nora had to take Zach off the train before waiting for Eph (like, why not move forward in the direction Eph would be moving from???).  Then she had to lead him alone/away from the other train passengers.  Of course, Zach was the ultimate cause, stopping Nora from killing Kelly, and thus leading to Nora's death.  So yes, while I hate Zach with the heat of a thousand suns, some blame is also on Eph and Nora.

 

I suppose all this was done to take Zach back to the master to act as bait for Eph (the way the book is bait for the master) because Eph created the infection, the only apparent "safe/distance" way to kill the vamps (outside of sunlight/uv light). Is Eph really the only scientist in America who could come up with an infection for the vamps?  I mean really?

[TimetoShine]

I'll be "that person" and say glad Nora is dead. She was always boring and a waste of space to me. I never thought they would or should go "there" with Nora and my Fet.

She's dull.

[PrincessEnnui]

I have to agree with the summations about Nora and Dutch and point out that Fear the Walking Dead

killed off two of its four female characters, You know, the only two who actually did something and capable of doing something in the future.

Not a good time for womenfolk in these two sci fi series. 

 

I feel like season 2 had a strong start, then started to meander, particularly after Vaun died (RIP fake Quinlan). But this ending, definitely shocking swerve and not in a good way. I really expected more from the man that gave us Pacific Rim, Mimic, and Pan's Labyrinth, especially in terms of female characters. I know he's just an executive producer or whatever, but when he directs this show it is just awesome. Why can't he rally the director and writers when he's not? 8'[ 

 

I was pretty much indifferent to Zack, but I can't believe how stupid this child is. Remember in the first season where he looked up to Fet and seemed to accept that vampires were dangerous? Somewhere during the first season, he regressed to Eph and Nora's eventual denial. However, he's seen enough to get past this unacceptance. Now his body count is at least 4 people onscreen from his vampire related stupidity. I mean seriously fuck that kid. 

[xaxat]

RIP bread truck, symbol of what remains, by far, the best episode of this series.

Edited October 5, 2015 by xaxat

[Omar G.]

I have to agree with the summations about Nora and Dutch and point out that Fear the Walking Dead

killed off two of its four female characters, You know, the only two who actually did something and capable of doing something in the future.

Not a good time for womenfolk in these two sci fi series. 

 

Might be worth discussing on the FTWD threads, but my understanding is 

we only saw one of those two characters die on screen. For all we know, Exner is still alive and may pop up again later.

[zulualpha]

Ok, so Eph just had to go get a drink, that led to him being separated from Nora and Zach.  Then Nora had to take Zach off the train before waiting for Eph (like, why not move forward in the direction Eph would be moving from???).  Then she had to lead him alone/away from the other train passengers.  Of course, Zach was the ultimate cause, stopping Nora from killing Kelly, and thus leading to Nora's death.  So yes, while I hate Zach with the heat of a thousand suns, some blame is also on Eph and Nora.

 

I suppose all this was done to take Zach back to the master to act as bait for Eph (the way the book is bait for the master) because Eph created the infection, the only apparent "safe/distance" way to kill the vamps (outside of sunlight/uv light). Is Eph really the only scientist in America who could come up with an infection for the vamps?  I mean really?

Yeah, Eph and Nora were pretty nonchalant about the whole train trip, like once they were on the train they would be safe?  Are they really that dumb or can't remember any of the horrific stuff that's happened already. Ditto with the train engineer seeing the vamps and screaming "We have to stop!".  No dude, you have to speed up and you should really know that by now. 

I got taken out of the bread van scene because all the bad guys had to do was spray the truck with bullets and that would be that.  No way the walls of a bread truck could stop bullets, they'd go through like a knife through butter.

I liked Nora, she was pretty and kind and book smart.  However it's her fault that she died imo.  I have stopped caring about Zach, he can be vamp food for all I care at this point.

[steelyis]

I knew from day one Zach would get somebody killed. I also knew it'd be Nora, Fet, or Abe he'd get killed because they're the only people I give two shits about on this mess of a show and The Strain fucking hates me!

 

Zach is dead to me. He's garbage and he needs to die in the slowest, most excruciatingly painful way possible. I cannot believe I ever, EVER! thought I was being too hard on that little shit!

 

Fuck you, Zach!

Edited October 5, 2015 by steelyis

[Bosman]

Coco was the absolutely most useless character on the show. Other than her horrible taste in men, what did we really know about her?

And Zach??? What a waste of oxygen. There really are not enough ways for this little turd to die. And no, I don't feel badly for wishing that on this kid. After witnessing monster mommy kill the one woman who has been kind and cared for him, he hugs monster mommy and then skips off with her??? What exactly does he imagine is going to happen at the Master's playhouse. Horrible character and lazy, lazy writing.

[Sunnydayman]

Why do people bag on Coco for liking the Palmer? Her relationship choices are her own. I'm not a Zach fan. He was a kid how longed to be with his father until he father got him then he couldn't wait to be reunited with his vamp mom.

I don't know where they are going with killing Nora unless Dutch somehow replaces her as Eph's disappointed love interest. There were some fairly large deviations from the books in this episode. I'm not shocked by it, Game of Thrones and Wayward Pines went their own direction as well. I look forward to next season and more Setrakian and Eichorst.

[TheRabbi]

I came here to see if this show is hated as much as I hated it.  Good to see I'm not alone.  I grudgingly trudged through this season, but don't think I'll be back.  Every episode I was left thinking how little the actual plot moved.  I can't believe we spent so long just trying to acquire this damn book, and I can't believe Zach is still alive (ok I can believe it, but I want him to die the most horrible of horrible deaths).  I really started multitasking during episodes about halfway through the season, and have no real interest in seeing Eph pine over Zach next season.

[boes]

And Zach??? What a waste of oxygen. There really are not enough ways for this little turd to die. And no, I don't feel badly for wishing that on this kid. After witnessing monster mommy kill the one woman who has been kind and cared for him, he hugs monster mommy and then skips off with her??? What exactly does he imagine is going to happen at the Master's playhouse. Horrible character and lazy, lazy writing.

 

Kid is awful.  Eph could do better mixing up a batch of Baby in a Bucket back at the trusty lab and let Mommy keep this one.  He'll be driving the vamps to self-immolation in no time.

The kid last year wasn't bad, but this year's version was awful.  Even worse than the writing for this mini-turd.

[vibeology]

 

Where does this leave our female characters:

Nora: Dead. Boooooooo!

Dutch: Not shown at all. Possibly still sitting on Secretly Pregnant Nikki's porch and her last plot left her kidnapped, tortured and the victim of an incredibly fucked-up attempted rape. Thanks, show. Do you even remember she was all about killing vombies at the start of the season?

Justine: Not shown. Possibly facing indictment. The only character on the show who seemed to be moving any plot forward and we get nothing. Thanks again show. Idiots.

Kelly: "Alive" and well and reunited with her shitty kid. Fuck you, show. For real.

 

Ugh.

Don't forget Coco who has existed all season without any real character just there as a plot point to get Palmer to do what the writers needed next. Now she's dead and fridged for the sake of Palmer's man-pain and character development. Yay show! Good job!

[seacliffsal]

I have enjoyed this season with the exception of Zack and Eph's arrogance and entitlement. I was so hopeful that this "trip to the grandparents" was the show's way of getting rid of the Zack character without killing a child for plot purposes. Next season Eph will be all 'I have to get him back' and we all know how well Eph's plans work out...

I love our new squad of vamp hunters. I hope they stay together next season. I liked how the 5 of them ended up together and that Abraham has the lumna. Palmer's pitiful attempt to exert his power was wonderful. It's kind of important to really understand who one's business 'partners' are. The power play of negating the funds was delightful to behold, however, it seemed that Palmer nneded a reminder of just who he is playing with.

I think that next season is set up well. When I watch this after watching Fear the Walking Dead, I really appreciate all of the actors (exception: Zack) try to sell this story. I was shocked and dismayed that they killed Nora, and as it was all Zack and Eph's fault I hope next season is a payback to them.

[007Zarr]

So disappointed that Nora was let go. Not sure if that happened in the book or not. Bottom line it didn't need to happen. My friend who read the book said Zach is whiny and annoying in it as well. His character just needed to be developed more or something. I agree with the ppl on this forum that said they thought Zach would go to his grandparents and just get written out of the show. Now Eph is going to wonder the streets looking for the little brat. It seems like evil always wine in this show. I'm ready for Setrakian, Fet, Eph and poor Nora to win. Not happy with ending. Btw, is Quinlyn good or just trying to appease the ancients? I'm confused.

PS. What was the reason Coco was in the show?

I have enjoyed this season with the exception of Zack and Eph's arrogance and entitlement. I was so hopeful that this "trip to the grandparents" was the show's way of getting rid of the Zack character without killing a child for plot purposes. Next season Eph will be all 'I have to get him back' and we all know how well Eph's plans work out...

I love our new squad of vamp hunters. I hope they stay together next season. I liked how the 5 of them ended up together and that Abraham has the lumna. Palmer's pitiful attempt to exert his power was wonderful. It's kind of important to really understand who one's business 'partners' are. The power play of negating the funds was delightful to behold, however, it seemed that Palmer nneded a reminder of just who he is playing with.

I think that next season is set up well. When I watch this after watching Fear the Walking Dead, I really appreciate all of the actors (exception: Zack) try to sell this story. I was shocked and dismayed that they killed Nora, and as it was all Zack and Eph's fault I hope next season is a payback to them.

[sugarbaker design]

Oh, Eph. You're like the Keystone Cops of the Vampire Apocalypse.

 

 

The Keystone Cops weren't degenerate alcoholics who had to go to the club car, get drinks and leave their kid in the midst of a vampire apocalypse.  Eph is the weakest, most inept, most ridiculous lead character in recent memory.  Dutch is traumatized, Nora is dead and this fucking asshole is still alive.  Bye show.

[bookrat]

Wouldn't it have made more sense for the Master to turn Coco and then force Palmer to do what he wanted so Coco would be more like Eichorst (be able to talk and think) and be less like the other slave vampires? By killing Coco he just made Palmer hate him, and now there really isn't any reason for Palmer to do his bidding. By losing his "true love" I am willing to bet Palmer has now lost the desire to have everlasting life.  I can't see how this is a smart plan, and isn't the Master supposed to be smart? I agree with others that Palmer is now going to switch sides.

 

As for Coco becoming greedy and somewhat evil, I fanwanked that getting the "white" brings out your worst traits.

 

Wasn't Eph working on a cure? Gee, thanks Nora, for not letting Eph have another subject to work on. Maybe this time he might have gotten right. And if he didn't, then he could kill you, or infect you and you could die while taking out a bunch of vamps....but no. I guess I was supposed to think your death was heroic, but I thought it was cowardly.

 

I am hoping that Zack gets turned. What are you waiting for Kelly? Maybe Zack could become like the other spider vampire kids.

 

What was the deal with Palmer keeping Coco's heart? Does he know that the worms in the heart can keep him healthy? I think not. How would he know this? Is he hoping he can clone Coco?

Edited October 6, 2015 by bookrat

[raven]

 

I guess I was supposed to think your death was heroic, but I thought it was cowardly.

That's because her death was all about Eph - "I don't want him to see you through my eyes" "I'll come after you and Zach" and then of course Eph's "Don't leave me!!" It was a disservice to a character that cared about people and turned out to be a pretty good fighter.  It was just to give Eph more angst, just like Coco's was to give Palmer more angst.  Ugh.  The question about the Master is, why bother with Palmer at all now?  Eichorst could control his money empire or whatever.  I have no sympathy for Palmer, who sold out the human race because he didn't want to die, and CoCo was never a real character anyway. 

 

As for Zach, I don't know what direction he's given from the show runners.  Was he supposed to be regretful when he glanced back at Nora? Gloating?  Did he even give a shit about her, that she's been trying to protect him and actually cares about him?  Does he not realize his vamp-mother kills people?  If I'm supposed to care about him, well I don't.  I don't care much for Eph either, who's taken his eyes off the prize so many times I wonder what the heck he wants either. 

 

The good - leaving aside how absurd an auction was for the book - why Eichorst and/or Quinlan didn't just do a grab, I don't know - the scene was tense and it's always fun to see Setrakian and Eichorst face off and insult each other, with bonus Fet.   I was glad Fet had an exit plan with the escape hatch in the bread truck, and Gus and crew coming to the rescue with Angel in full mask - cheesy fun.  I also liked Quinlan not even bothering talking to Eichorst and talking right to the Master through him.  Seeing the Master's "sheep" processing factory was appropriately creepy.

 

Setrakian & Fet meeting up with Quinlan & Co and discovering the implications of the book are all good.  Still the pacing of the show is still so off, with slow bits and pointless flashbacks and romances that don't work; I'm not happy about kiiling Nora either, esp coming right ont he heels of Dutch being victimized; not sure about next season.  There's bound to be a lot of searching for Zach, which, NO, not interested.  Ugh, I don't know...

Edited October 6, 2015 by raven

[Johnny Dollar]

I knew that stupid little fuck was going to get someone killed sooner or later. He's worse than season 1-2 Coral from TWD. He's not five. With the shit he's personally witnessed, he should know better than to think that his mother is coming back. And i just know they're going to have his mother sacrifice herself to save his sorry ass from the Master or Eichorst next season.

[islandgal140]

This season felt like it just spun its wheels from start to end. It felt like nothing ever really happened, until the end and even then it felt anti-climatic. 

 

That's because her death was all about Eph - "I don't want him to see you through my eyes" "I'll come after you and Zach" and then of course Eph's "Don't leave me!!" It was a disservice to a character that cared about people and turned out to be a pretty good fighter.  It was just to give Eph more angst, just like Coco's was to give Palmer more angst.  Ugh.  The question about the Master is, why bother with Palmer at all now?  Eichorst could control his money empire or whatever.  I have no sympathy for Palmer, who sold out the human race because he didn't want to die, and CoCo was never a real character anyway. 

 

Yes. The season finale was an ode to mainpain and what's worst is that the men involved are the show's two biggest assholes, one of which is meant to be the show's protagonist. Thanks show.

 

I really lament the loss of Nora. I would rather lose Dutch over Nora. 

 

Zach, you little shit stain. You cost me Fet and Nora love scenes. For that you must die! If there is a storyline I could give less than a fuck about it is of a forlorn drunken Eph wondering the streets of NYC looking for Zach's dumb punk ass! I really don't want to see Fet, the professor or the rest of the crew bother to waste resources or manpower on some DUMMY who willingly walked away hand in hand with a fucking vampire. 

 

I don't understand why the Master just doesn't turn Palmer. 

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I'm fine with Zack's reunion with Kelly being cannon, but couldn't the writers come up with a less asinine way to bring that about? Since they are taking liberties with the book's plotting, they surely could have come up with a way that didn't counter what little character development Zack had? After Kelly's kidnap attempts in Red Hook, I thought Zack finally realized that his mom as he knew her was gone.

I cannot understand why this show would go through the trouble and expense of introducing characters, plot points and entire story arcs that went nowhere. I feel like this show has been one giant money laundering scheme.

Edited October 7, 2015 by 2AT