roughing it September 22, 2015 Share September 22, 2015 The biggest issue is that Penny does not act like she loves Leonard. THIS! the vow she came up with was sweet, but Penny doesn't act like a woman in love. The last time we saw any of the group having fun was the scavenger hunt episode. Howard and Bernadette were happy until they got married, then it's the stereotypical constant sniping at each other. Amy's not happy because Sheldon is Sheldon Sheldon has evolved into a pissy baby pants 4 Link to comment
backgroundnoise September 22, 2015 Share September 22, 2015 Leonard can't be happy unless he's miserable. There was absolutely no reason to bring up the kiss in the first place, IMO, but then to be stupid enough to compound it. All he had to say was "Yes" when she asked if he felt guilty, but stupid Leonard (writer's actually) went to add the "every time I see her." STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. Worse yet, not funny. Sheldon blaming everyone but himself, not funny. Entire episode was just not funny, it was frustratingly not funny. I'm annoyed at how not funny it was. 2 Link to comment
peeayebee September 22, 2015 Share September 22, 2015 Yeah, I'm out. The only character I like is Amy, but that's not enough to keep me watching. Nothing is working for me. I'm not even going to list what I hated about this ep. The show's not worth my time. 1 Link to comment
amensisterfriend September 22, 2015 Share September 22, 2015 The only character I like is Amy, I really like(d) Amy as well, but the most frustrating aspect of the Sheldon/Amy dynamic that we've gotten over the past year or so is that it's served to turn Amy into someone who's less likable to me and pretty sharply different from the character I once adored while exacerbating Sheldon's many (many, many, many!) shortcomings to the point where I can't imagine why anyone who's even a little bit sane would want to date him. Well done, show! :) 3 Link to comment
LoneHaranguer September 22, 2015 Share September 22, 2015 And why did Sheldon want to marry her, anyway? He doesn't want to sleep with her or live with her, he's been explicit about that. So, what was going to change? He doesn't want anyone else to have her. It's also a necessary step if he wants to get started on that race of benign overlords he mentioned, but put on hold after Penny pointed out that his mother wouldn't approve of having children out of wedlock. 2 Link to comment
MissLucas September 22, 2015 Share September 22, 2015 (edited) He doesn't want anyone else to have her. It's also a necessary step if he wants to get started on that race of benign overlords he mentioned, but put on hold after Penny pointed out that his mother wouldn't approve of having children out of wedlock. That's not creepy at all! Seriously I was annoyed when he pulled the ring out of the drawer in the season finale. It was such a manipulative step by the writers. Instead of focusing on Amy and why she felt it necessary to pull the plug it was all of a sudden all about wooby Sheldon who had his ickle feelings hurt. A stashed ring does not nix all the previous asshattery nor does putting a ring on it magically solve all problems. Edited September 22, 2015 by MissLucas 14 Link to comment
Chaos Theory September 22, 2015 Share September 22, 2015 They have completely ruined Stuart's character. Remember when he was a successful business owner and artist that went out with Penny? Now he's been turned into a creepy loser. Is it weird that the only character I like is Howard..,,and Bernadette? I think their relationship is the only salvageable thing left about the show. 5 Link to comment
Winston Wolfe September 22, 2015 Share September 22, 2015 Not sure why Penny is expected or required to be the same person she was at age 22. She's nearly a decade older. They've all evolved. Sheldon fights it, but he's growing and changing nonetheless. No, she shouldn't be the same person, but she should at least be happy. By her own admission, nine years ago she met four guys (and later their SOs) and became immersed in their lives. And they in hers. But despite occasional allusions to the contrary, she doesn't always seem happier for it. She even said that to Amy. Sheldon's evolution, on the other hand, has taken him from an unbearable, pedantic, self-obsessed guy who most people would want nothing to do with, to someone who's only slightly less insufferable. His empathy for others may have increased a wee bit (and even that's debatable given last night) so at least there's that. But as they say, mileage varies. Out of the original core five, it looks to me like only Howard (and to a lesser extent Raj) have evidenced consistent, positive character growth. 5 Link to comment
Rhetorica September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Bernadette and Howard's wedding was so sweet and funny. Those were the day's... 7 Link to comment
Kanner September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I thought Leonard copped to his own wrongness in this episode. He explicitly told Sheldon that he was at fault in the strain between him and Penny. I actually didn't think what he did was so terrible (i.e. the kiss) but I understood why the timing of Penny finding out dampened her mood. And Leonard seemed to realize he'd handled that badly. It doesn't make him more likable, but I think it's pretty realistic in that often people do handle it badly when the shit hits the fan. And Leonard's likability (such as it is) was never really about him being great at interpersonal things-- he's better than Sheldon, but that's damning with faint praise. My issue with Leonard is not his interpersonal skills. It is his actions - the North Pole incident, making out with Howard's (his friend) date, cheating on Prya, his attitude toward Penny's acting, the kiss plus the later added info about still seeing the person, etc. and still thinking he has a leg to stand on about morality and being a decent guy. I think Leonard feels like he is a better person than most of his friends, when some of the things he does are pretty bad. That kind of character is usually the one I can't stand, even over just a regular jerk. 4 Link to comment
P3pp3rb1rd September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Leonard and Penny have always bored me. I'd like to see Leonard's mother move to their town to make their lives difficult. Sheldon and Amy's relationship has a rich vein of potential comedy. Amy has shown some Lesbian longings for Penny; can she explore a different lifestyle now that she's fed up with Sheldon? Amy could run with a whole different group for awhile, and our Gang and her group could meet up at the Cheesecake Factory while sparks fly. Raj could hang with them awhile too. 1 Link to comment
lark37 September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Is it weird that the only character I like is Howard..,,and Bernadette? I think their relationship is the only salvageable thing left about the show. For me its all about Raj! But, he was barely in the episode last night. Was he too busy playing a "hot" guy on The Mindy Project? Stuart got more screen time than Raj. They gave Raj a steady (yet creepy) girlfriend last season. They could do quite a bit with Raj's storyline! Agree that this was a very lack lustre season premiere. I only smiled once or twice during the episode. I'm hoping this season will improve quickly. I will quit watching before I let a show upset and disappoint me the way HIMYM did. 1 Link to comment
EarlGreyTea September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 No, she shouldn't be the same person, but she should at least be happy. By her own admission, nine years ago she met four guys (and later their SOs) and became immersed in their lives. And they in hers. But despite occasional allusions to the contrary, she doesn't always seem happier for it. She even said that to Amy. Sheldon's evolution, on the other hand, has taken him from an unbearable, pedantic, self-obsessed guy who most people would want nothing to do with, to someone who's only slightly less insufferable. His empathy for others may have increased a wee bit (and even that's debatable given last night) so at least there's that. But as they say, mileage varies. Out of the original core five, it looks to me like only Howard (and to a lesser extent Raj) have evidenced consistent, positive character growth. I agree that it was weird that she said only a season or two ago that her big talent was loving her friends, or something like that. It was a cute moment, but I don't think it's true anymore. However, I think Penny is depressingly realistic. When she first moved in, she was 22 and coming to California from a tiny town, believing she would become an actress immediately. Naive, yeah, but she was young and hopeful. She met this cute smart guy who appreciated her beyond her looks and got to know her as a person. She gained a tight circle of friends. Fast forward to now. She's gotten nowhere as an actress. Which, she has a successful career in a different industry, but it's hard to let go of that original dream. Leonard has turned out to be less than perfect who now has cheated on her. I get why she's not happy. But it's not fun to watch. I really, really think the writers missed the boat not making Penny at least a working actress. The plot ideas are numerous: her getting a role on a sci-fi show the guys love, Leonard being jealous of her co-stars, the gang visiting her on movie sets, and the opportunity for famous guest stars. Absolute fail that they never went there IMO. 7 Link to comment
HalcyonDays September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Well Show that's 19.33 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Apparently there are another 18.20 million viewers who might/might not feel the same. That's the viewership audience numbers, earning ABC a 4.7 demo. Wow. I hate how they've made Stuart so creepy now, and I haven't laughed or really enjoyed this show in years. I just can't with the absolute selfishness of Sheldon, Leonard and sometimes the others. Penny and Leonard look like they don't even care about each other - they are settling. This is healthy?? Like Penny couldn't find some decent guy at the company she works for. Sheldon was demonstrating some seriously creepy stalkerish behaviour, which should require a restraining order, not a poorly written joke. Raj still doesn't have enough to do. Amy should've dumped Sheldon's skinny selfish ass long ago. 2 Link to comment
caligirl50 September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I think Stuart likes anything with women parts. He'll take anything he can get [much like Edith on Downton Abbey (but for her it's men) - if anyone on this board watches]. 1 Link to comment
calipiano81 September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 (edited) Even though Sheldon is frequently a selfish, condescending jerk, it bothered me that no one in his circle of "friends" showed any care or sympathy for him over his break with Amy, when Sheldon was the actual dumpee (and Amy the dumper). I was especially disappointed in Penny, to whom Sheldon made the voluntary friendly gesture of bringing tea over to commiserate their situations together. Even though he ruined it by being Sheldon again, it made me sad that Penny succeeded in only hurting his feelings further. Edited September 23, 2015 by calipiano81 4 Link to comment
Spartan Girl September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Even though Sheldon is frequently a selfish, condescending jerk, it bothered me that no one in his circle of "friends" showed any care or sympathy for him over his break with Amy, when Sheldon was the actual dumpee (and Amy the dumper). I was especially disappointed in Penny, to whom Sheldon made the voluntary friendly gesture of bringing tea over to commiserate their situations together. Even though he ruined it by being Sheldon again, it made me sad that Penny succeeded in only hurting his feelings further. I agree with his. And I didn't see Sheldon's behavior as stalkerish (until he actually started pestering Amy about her decision); remember he wanted to come over to watch the wedding. It kind of bothered me that Howard and Bernadette invited everyone EXCEPT him on purpose. Penny and Leonard are his friends too. Even if Amy asked for space, theoretically they should be able to act like adults and sit in the same room for their friends' wedding. Obviously this wasn't the case, but my point still stands. 2 Link to comment
shapeshifter September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 So Sheldon still has Grandma Chekhov's wedding ring. Penny's dress was not only gorgeous, but it was perfect for her body and her character, and all that without gratutious cleavage--but it was all wrong for the dialog (IMO) that implied this was a sleazy, low-rent chapel where they were just "getting it [the marriage] over with." IDK, maybe they thought the dress represented Penny's expectations in contrast to the reality of an elopement in Vegas. But all I could think of was that Kaley (or someone) just really wanted to wear the dress because on her, it was a work of art that should be seen by millions. Leonard's vows and Kaley's facial reactions to the them could have saved the moment, but I have never seen Toy Story and found both the words and Kaley's reading of those lines pretty dead. I kept expecting James Taylor or Carole King (70s reference) to walk in and start singing "You've Got a Friend." I guess they figured it was okay to have one half of the vows be an in joke, but usually I get the references--now I know what it's like for those who don't. Link to comment
terrymct September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Even though Sheldon is frequently a selfish, condescending jerk, it bothered me that no one in his circle of "friends" showed any care or sympathy for him over his break with Amy, when Sheldon was the actual dumpee (and Amy the dumper). I was especially disappointed in Penny, to whom Sheldon made the voluntary friendly gesture of bringing tea over to commiserate their situations together. Even though he ruined it by being Sheldon again, it made me sad that Penny succeeded in only hurting his feelings further. I think the consensus is that Sheldon kind of deserves it and Amy should have broken up with him a long time ago. Until he grows quite a bit, she deserves better. 7 Link to comment
nobody30 September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I really do hope this season get's better than the first episode. As much as I really enjoyed the creative and perfectly underwhelmed (and because of that fitting) engagement of Leonard and Penny, as dissapointing and anti-climactic felt their wedding to me. Some romantic cliche wouldn't have been fitting too, I get that, but it was just odd, and in no way funny, nor were the vows funny or creative, I think a great opportunity was missed with that wedding. And so here we are again, Leonard an Penny married, and already with another crisis, that's really getting old now, and I have to say I couldn't care less about that new character (Leonard's kissing buddy) they are obviously trying to bring in. The whole episode felt like not much was going on, we already knew Amy was going to break up with Sheldon, and the rest was just filling time, no funny scenes at all. I already mentioned this in my post after the last episode of last season, but I'm not sure were the show is going in yet another two seasons, and if it was such a good idea to stretch it out that long. Don't get me wrong, I still love the show, but I'm afraid that it's only going downwards from here like it happened with "Two And a Half Men", or partly with HIMYM. Link to comment
bichonblitz September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I don't like Stalker Sheldon. Tired of the how could such a hot blonde fall for a geek like Leonard routine. First of all, Kaley is not that hot anymore, and second, Leonard is becoming a bore. Not enough Howard. The show needs to go back to the funny quips between the guys and less romance issues with the girls. 2 Link to comment
Homily September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 First of all, Kaley is not that hot anymore You may have missed her cover of Shape magazine http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kaley-cuoco-on-her-hot-body-for-shape-cover-all-i-ate-was-almonds-2015189. If that's not hot well, I don't know what hot is! (and maybe I don't but that looked pretty hot to me :) ). 4 Link to comment
bichonblitz September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 You may have missed her cover of Shape magazine http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kaley-cuoco-on-her-hot-body-for-shape-cover-all-i-ate-was-almonds-2015189. If that's not hot well, I don't know what hot is! (and maybe I don't but that looked pretty hot to me :) ). I was referring to the long blond hair, boobies hanging out, too tight clothes dingy cheesecake factory waitress of season's ago. In real life, yeah, still hot. Link to comment
okerry September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 (edited) I really, really think the writers missed the boat not making Penny at least a working actress. The plot ideas are numerous: her getting a role on a sci-fi show the guys love, Leonard being jealous of her co-stars, the gang visiting her on movie sets, and the opportunity for famous guest stars. Absolute fail that they never went there IMO. Oh, I totally agree. Even better if she's not a big star, but just marginally successful and getting commercials, extra roles, bit parts, etc. Everything you mentioned could still go on. Would love to see that! They got some very funny stuff out of *Serial Apist,* and Penny would be perfect for more cheesy SyFy Channel movies . . . just to name a few . . . . Edited September 23, 2015 by okerry 8 Link to comment
CherryAmes September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 You may have missed her cover of Shape magazine http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kaley-cuoco-on-her-hot-body-for-shape-cover-all-i-ate-was-almonds-2015189. If that's not hot well, I don't know what hot is! (and maybe I don't but that looked pretty hot to me :) ). Heh, I saw that in the check out line yesterday. I'm so out of it normally that it was a "hey good for me" moment that I actually recognized someone on a magazine cover who wasn't there because they're old and have recently died! 1 Link to comment
joanne3482 September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Oh, I totally agree. Even better if she's not a big star, but just marginally successful and getting commercials, extra roles, bit parts, etc. Everything you mentioned could still go on. Would love to see that! They got some very funny stuff out of *Serial Apist,* and Penny would be perfect for more cheesy SyFy Channel movies . . . just to name a few . . . . Regular voice over work for their favorite cartoon would be a possibility too. With the exception of The Simpsons and actors who are already famous (Mila Kunis on Family Guy for example), almost nobody knows who a voice over actor is. It would have given her a steady income but still some opportunity to do other things and always having the potential for the show to be cancelled to add drama to her world. Could you imagine the boys trauma if she knew plot lines before they aired and if they hated how she played a character's situation? I'm glad they never went the route of her becoming famous and a huge star but a regular working actress isn't out of the realm of possibility. She could have been the next "Hey, it's that girl!" 5 Link to comment
holly4755 September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Did we know Sheldon's sister had gotten married? I can't remember if that was mentioned before or not. We know she had a baby that Sheldon helped deliver - and that was one selfish "all about me event", heh. I think I am easy. I enjoyed the episode, there are many different paths the show can take, I am not offended by the madam Curie remark because it was pretty normal when I worked in IT in the upper levels where it was mostly all guys and me. One guy could not figure out why I refused to have meetings in his office where the walls were lined with porno centerfolds taped up (not playboy, much much worse). He could not get that I found that offensive. and that was just one part of the misogyny. As to Sheldon, he tends to not understand his urges, but I do recall that there are regularly scheduled make out sessions no with Amy and Sheldon and he does like kissing. So I can see where he can't grasp what his problem is yet he has to remain in his techy guy centered world. I think part of the issue with the character is his not understanding himself as he progresses into normality - which is an odd choice of words, since when the show started he seemed far more normal, they took him over the edge and he is starting to norm a bit. When was Stuart a successful businessman? I thought he always lived in the store, and that is why he appreciated a chance to have a shower in early show. And he was always creepy which is more due to desperation and ignorance than anything else. 5 Link to comment
LoneHaranguer September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 She met this cute smart guy who appreciated her beyond her looks and got to know her as a person. I thought she got together with him because he wasn't the kind of jerk she was always picking. I don't see how she could have missed that he was mostly interested in her for her looks (but if so was everyone else, not a deal-breaker). 2 Link to comment
CherryAmes September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 (edited) When was Stuart a successful businessman? The first couple of episodes he was in at most, it was brief. It didn't take long to make him pretty sad and needy. The episode with Stan Lee comes to mind where he says "you are looking at a guy who could very well be stood up by a stray cat tonight" when Penny asks him for Stan Lee's address. I am not offended by the madam Curie remark because it was pretty normal when I worked in IT in the upper levels where it was mostly all guys and me. Yep, I married an engineer and when we were going through university the full blown misogyny these guys regularly exhibited was pretty mind blowing. Individually perfectly nice guys, put them together in their almost all guy world (I think at that point girls made up something like 5 % of the engineering school) and they were pigs. Throughout the run of BBT they've made numerous allusions to how male centric "science" is (even when they have women scientists on) and it definitely doesn't surprise me when one or the other of them, usually Sheldon and, in the old days, Howard, make anti-woman comments. Edited September 23, 2015 by CherryAmes 1 Link to comment
cardigirl September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 They have completely ruined Stuart's character. Remember when he was a successful business owner and artist that went out with Penny? Now he's been turned into a creepy loser. Well, I never thought of him as successful, wasn't he always struggling and poor, even though he owned the store? Like, it really didn't bring in the money for him. He's always played pitiful pretty well. I still like him. Thought it was pretty funny he would try to move in on either Amy or Penny, like he stood a chance. The actor really got the right tone for me. Haha. Not sure about Sheldon actually being ready to propose, as they really haven't shown him moving that direction, except for the blanket fort episode and Amy spending the night. Amy's always been the one wanting more, seeing him in a different light from the others. So I thought his sudden desire to propose was out of character. Still like the show, love the characters, and hope we aren't going for another Penny and Leonard breakup. 1 Link to comment
HalcyonDays September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I think the consensus is that Sheldon kind of deserves it and Amy should have broken up with him a long time ago. Until he grows quite a bit, she deserves better. That's exactly what I think. Amy never gets what she wants, usually has to compromise or mostly sacrifice what she wants/needs. And I'm not just talking about physical affection - even things like going out to dinner for Valentines, or seeing a movie she wants, etc. Sheldon deserves being dumped (IMO) because he's self-absorbed and selfish. Amy deserves a mate who values her and treats her right. 8 Link to comment
CherryAmes September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I haven't seen this episode yet but I'd add that when it comes to placating Sheldon it's usually Leonard leading the way. It doesn't surprise me that Howard and Bernadette don't feel the same need Leonard does to try and keep Sheldon happy. Choosing Amy over him if that's what it came down to wouldn't be a stretch for them. 4 Link to comment
Chaos Theory September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 (edited) Bernadette and Howard's wedding was so sweet and funny. Those were the day's...It was also sweet when Bernadette found out that Howard had been a sex freak weirdo and had gotten upset and Howard had gone to her and you know.....explained the man he used to be and attributed the man he was to her. I thought that moment was sweet.I sometimes like the Leonard and Penny Relationship but it is full of one step foward two step back moments and Sheldon was correct. I didn't see Leonard's wedding night being any other way then with him. That is a sad sad truth. <~~<~edited for clarity Edited September 24, 2015 by Chaos Theory 2 Link to comment
Indy September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I am not offended by the madam Curie remark because it was pretty normal when I worked in IT in the upper levels where it was mostly all guys and me. I'm a non-scientist female who works for a bunch of male scientists (I'm literally the only woman on my floor right now) and I found that remark both accurate and funny. I can see any number of my co-workers saying that or at the very least thinking it. Link to comment
dungeonwriter September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I think the consensus is that Sheldon kind of deserves it and Amy should have broken up with him a long time ago. Until he grows quite a bit, she deserves better. That's the worst part of the ring gambit. The ring isn't "I love you, I want to marry you and I'll take whatever steps we need to have a relationship" The ring is "Here, happy now? Now stop making demands." Sheldon gave her the ring because he wants to keep her, and that ring is something she wants. I agree that it was weird that she said only a season or two ago that her big talent was loving her friends, or something like that. It was a cute moment, but I don't think it's true anymore. However, I think Penny is depressingly realistic. When she first moved in, she was 22 and coming to California from a tiny town, believing she would become an actress immediately. Naive, yeah, but she was young and hopeful. She met this cute smart guy who appreciated her beyond her looks and got to know her as a person. She gained a tight circle of friends. Fast forward to now. She's gotten nowhere as an actress. Which, she has a successful career in a different industry, but it's hard to let go of that original dream. Leonard has turned out to be less than perfect who now has cheated on her. I get why she's not happy. But it's not fun to watch. I really, really think the writers missed the boat not making Penny at least a working actress. The plot ideas are numerous: her getting a role on a sci-fi show the guys love, Leonard being jealous of her co-stars, the gang visiting her on movie sets, and the opportunity for famous guest stars. Absolute fail that they never went there IMO. I agree (as I'm turning 30 and realizing I likely will not be the next JKR), it's a hard transition, and she has a right to be unhappy, but it's hard to root for her and Leonard when she's so beaten down over it. I want her to either go after her dreams, (and let's remember, Kevin Smith audition) or find new dreams, but being so sad is just...hard to watch, as you said. 5 Link to comment
6 MeowMeowBeenz September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Amy could run with a whole different group for awhile, and our Gang and her group could meet up at the Cheesecake Factory while sparks fly. Raj could hang with them awhile too. Bizarro Seinfeld! That could be funny...Kripke as Sheldon, Leslie Winkle as "Leonard" (making lesbian advances on Amy) and a couple of new characters.to be the Raj and Howard surrogates. 1 Link to comment
Homily September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I get why she's not happy. But it's not fun to watch. I don't see Penny as being unhappy. Yes, unhappy sometimes over specific things, like finding out her fiancée snogged another woman and told her about it as they are running off to get married! But overall I don't see her as an unhappy person. If she isn't a perky 22 anymore I see that more as normal progression than anything else. She may have regrets about her failed acting career but she seems very pleased with how she's doing in her new job and certainly is enjoying the money! 2 Link to comment
chocolatine September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I agree (as I'm turning 30 and realizing I likely will not be the next JKR) JKR was 32 when the first Harry Potter book was published - just saying. :) 8 Link to comment
dungeonwriter September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 JKR was 32 when the first Harry Potter book was published - just saying. :) Thanks so much. You made me smile! 5 Link to comment
ksb September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I enjoyed the episode even though I agree with many points that have been brought up here. I guess I'm just glad that Sheldon and Amy are finally broken up. Surprisingly, I was just really happy to see everybody again so all the flaws didn't bug me that much. 1 Link to comment
backgroundnoise September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Even though Sheldon is frequently a selfish, condescending jerk, it bothered me that no one in his circle of "friends" showed any care or sympathy for him over his break with Amy, when Sheldon was the actual dumpee (and Amy the dumper). Maybe they would have been more sympathetic if he hadn't immediately started blaming everyone but himself and acting like Amy had no right to feel the say she did. 5 Link to comment
QuelleC September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Well, I'm sticking with the show, there are a few duds in every season and I get that this wasn't funny. I don't mind a show that's a bit more serious at times. However, I thought this episode fit better as a part 2 of the season ender. Yes, that's what a cliffhanger is (ha, I almost said avalanche) but the end of S7 left a bad taste with the retcon of "cheating". The fight in the car should have resulted in them just spending a fun weekend and giving up the marriage idea for the time being. I think it if had been shown the end of S7 it would be clear that this wasn't the "real" wedding. It could have ended on the trip back home and left it up in the air as to if they'd work it out. I don't expect an annullment but I expect a big wedding sometime the end of this season. Of course they have to have a wedding with their friends. Possibly involving Amy moving in as she's wanted to for a long time. I don't want a quick fix to their problem. In the meantime Raj returning as a roommate would be hilarious. That would definitely result in some tension between Raj and Amy. More Cinnamon! Jeez I wanted his pet stroller. People have been complaining for years that Amy should dump Sheldon and now that it's happened I'm satisfied but I get it some people aren't. I must have been getting a beverage because I missed Mary's appearance. I missed her a lot last season. I'll have to find a way to rewatch, I don't have a DVR or cable. Maybe CBS has it. I know HULU doesn't. On a shallow note I know Kaley took a lot of heat last year over the short haircut. They made it look cute by the end but this year it looks like a helmet, frosted they way they made middle aged ladies look grey back in the 80's. I was hoping she'd find middle ground on the hairstyle. She looks good in almost everything but the dress screamed Valentine's Day. I know she isn't going to wear the poofy white dress she had a dream about, then she turned to kiss Leonard and she was 9 mos pregnant! As for Leonard, I don't think his hair could absorb any more dye and he's better avoid rubbing up against a wall or something. I dunno, while stalker Sheldon isn't funny I did laugh at him staring in the window. I love it that Howard and Bernadette Rostenkowski Wallowitz live in mom's house. They tried to throw Stuart out last year. The show needed someone to throw more one liners, so be it. Kaley does an animal rescue commercial and I recognize her voice instantly. The voiceover acting idea would be great for her character. I've been saying for years she needs to be moderately successful in her acting career. I'm glad she has money now but I don't like her as a suited pharmaceutical rep. Didn't she quit or am I misremembering? I only was able to catch S7 in reruns. Link to comment
barbedwire September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I am glad Stuart and Mary are both back. 2 of my favorites. I too loved it when Howard and Bernie congratulated themselves on "winning" with the better wedding. My guess is Penny's last name (Lane?) is like not showing Howard's mom: this show's thing. 1 Link to comment
MissLucas September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I agree that Penny as a modestly successful actress would have generated plenty of interesting plots. But the lackluster way the show handled her so-called passion for acting makes me happy they finally gave her another successful career. Acting was supposed to be her big dream yet do we know her favorite actress, her favorite director or movie? Does anything in her apartment reflect a love for movies or theater? The guys place has more movie related paraphernalia which brings me to my next gripe: She kept mocking the guy's love for geek movies when those movies should have interested her at least on a professional level - after all some of the biggest names in the business were participating. And when she manages to catch a part on one of the biggest ratings juggernauts in tv-land she can't even remember its name. I could hand-wave all those things away by claiming that she despises Hollywood and was dreaming of an art house career - but who would buy that? The show kept telling but rarely ever showed us that acting was her big dream - I count maybe a handful episodes with some half-hearted efforts to sell us that dream. All the drama during last season about giving up the dream felt hollow and undeserved. 1 Link to comment
Homily September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I agree that Penny as a modestly successful actress would have generated plenty of interesting plots. But the lackluster way the show handled her so-called passion for acting makes me happy they finally gave her another successful career. Acting was supposed to be her big dream yet do we know her favorite actress, her favorite director or movie? Does anything in her apartment reflect a love for movies or theater? I think they conveyed that Penny's real passion was becoming famous - she could act, I think they also establish that in a few episodes - but to be honest in the episode when she gives Sheldon the scene from Cat on a Hot Tin Roof to act out I was surprised she knew who Tennessee Williams was and that this was considered an American classic. She never seemed to me to be someone who would be happy as the kind of actress who gets small parts but isn't really ever going to hit it big or does voice over work or whatever because that's not going to give her the fame she was looking for. 3 Link to comment
DarkRaichu September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 Where the blip was Raj ??? He barely said 3 lines the entire episode. I did not count line by line but Stuart might have more lines than Raj. Which one was a main character here ??? 3 Link to comment
Winston Wolfe September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 bichonblitz said: Tired of the how could such a hot blonde fall for a geek like Leonard routine. First of all, Kaley is not that hot anymore, and second, Leonard is becoming a bore. This to the hundredth power squared. The writers have driven this bit so deep into the ground that it came up in China and went back down again. For a self-proclaimed "loser" with women, Leonard has been with all types of women since the show began. He should be way over Penny's cute-ness factor by now. Actually, for so-called geeks, all the males on this show (even Sheldon) have had multiple women chasing after them over the years. Stuart even got to date and make out with Penny. Some of us "non-geeky" guys should be so lucky. How can you complain when you get to make out with women that look like Sara Rue and Danica McKellar??? Yeesh. Link to comment
ZuluQueenOfDwarves September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 I said on the boards back over at TWoP, Penny never cared about acting, only fame. If selling toilets got you on a magazine cover or teaching daycare had a televised award season, that's what she'd do, and she'd be equally unsuccessful in those arenas too because if you only do your job for its perks and not actual interest in the craft, you will never have the drive to put in the work to make yourself truly recognizable. End rant. Totally in with everyone who thinks this show is unfunny. Stuart the sad sack oscillates between depressing and creepy. He was charming during that all too brief period where he was a talented artist with a flourishing store--speaking of, his store is bright, clean, large enough for parties (that are very well attended, from what we've seen) and frequented by nerd King Wil Wheaton, so it does not compute that it was a money pit. Nothing about the current incarnation of him as a character is clever, funny, interesting, or true. Penny and Leonard--last season there were a lot of moments that I thought reaffirmed their chemistry, but it ended on such a sour note. Didn't think they'd actually get married because WTF? The principle couple of a veteran show get married in a season premiere with absolutely NONE of the primary cast in attendance? There are some tropes you can't fuck with in a multi camera sitcom, and the happy wedding of the leads with all the friends surrounding the couple (plus hijinks) as a season/series close is one of them. And on a personal note, I've been to funerals less depressing than that wedding. Raj at the Wolowitzes with his cinnamon buns put more thought into a special touch than the freaking bride. At least Penny's improv classes came in handy. Sheldon is an ass, and the writers seem to have forgotten that some of the best comedy gold on this show was his pompous ass being completely stymied by unforeseen forces. I'm totally fine with him being unbearable as long as it bites him in the ass. I like that Amy didn't buckle, and hope he has to do some serious growing to get what he wants--like admitting out loud that Amy was right and making amends for his misogynist behavior. I know, I know, it's a Lorre sitcom. Howard and Bernadette and the phone call to Mama Cooper were tiny wins in this sea of dreck. 1 Link to comment
ParadoxLost September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 It seems to me that Penny and Leonard have been playing relationship chicken for years. They don't want to be together. They are both settling. They are doing passive aggressive stuff to try to get the other person to call it quits because they don't want to hurt each other. They don't hate each other, they are just miserable. Every once in the while one of them advances the relationship because they should or they give up on some other dream. Its like two steps forward and one step back when they want to run screaming in the other direction. And this is my problem. That isn't funny. And I'm not sure that the end state that I expect of this type of storytelling (final break up) is what they are going for; and that is never ending misery. There is really only one way I will forgive this show for subjecting me to years of unfunny Sheldon/Amy and Leonard/Penny couple angst. Final scene, final episode. Amy gives birth to Sheldon's child because his genius must go on. And because there is one other thing that Sheldon wants. Penny, after struggling with fertility problems, gives birth to a baby that is the spitting image of Leonard Nimoy that can do the Vulcan salute. 1 Link to comment
calipiano81 September 23, 2015 Share September 23, 2015 (edited) That's exactly what I think. Amy never gets what she wants, usually has to compromise or mostly sacrifice what she wants/needs. And I'm not just talking about physical affection - even things like going out to dinner for Valentines, or seeing a movie she wants, etc. Sheldon deserves being dumped (IMO) because he's self-absorbed and selfish. Amy deserves a mate who values her and treats her right. Sheldon may deserve it, but since the group still includes him as a "friend," I expect some concern from them on his behalf. Edited September 23, 2015 by calipiano81 1 Link to comment
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