Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[farmgal4]

1 hour ago, iwantcookies said:

I watched that video.  Phillip is so pale and emaciated that it pains me to look at him.  He’s nothing but skin and bones, and I’m not exaggerating at all.  He’s the one who wants to be a preacher, and Jill has several videos of him preaching.  From the way he looks, he’s either fasting for Jesus more often than not or he has a terminal illness.  He looks like he’s at death’s door.  

[emmawoodhouse]

Snuggles lives! How? I don't know.

[madpsych78]

It's HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act). 

I'm surprised Timbits was able to spell schizophrenia correctly. As well as dementia and he even called Down syndrome by the proper name (as opposed to Down's which I have sometimes seen). And then he got to "metal disabilities" and all my dreams were shattered, lol!

How exactly was he "trained" to work with these populations? Some people have to go to graduate school to receive training on therapies, evaluations, etc., and then earn a license. 

[iwantcookies]

6 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

It's HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act). 

I'm surprised Timbits was able to spell schizophrenia correctly. As well as dementia and he even called Down syndrome by the proper name (as opposed to Down's which I have sometimes seen). And then he got to "metal disabilities" and all my dreams were shattered, lol!

How exactly was he "trained" to work with these populations? Some people have to go to graduate school to receive training on therapies, evaluations, etc., and then earn a license. 

Tim is probably a CNA. 
 

I guessed  that he worked in a group home of some sort. 

26 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Snuggles lives! How? I don't know.

Probably sits next to David and eats all the crumbs/chunks he drops. I picture David as a messy eater.

[emmawoodhouse]

8 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

It's HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act). 

I'm surprised Timbits was able to spell schizophrenia correctly. As well as dementia and he even called Down syndrome by the proper name (as opposed to Down's which I have sometimes seen). And then he got to "metal disabilities" and all my dreams were shattered, lol!

How exactly was he "trained" to work with these populations? Some people have to go to graduate school to receive training on therapies, evaluations, etc., and then earn a license. 

I think autofill helped him with his spelling, both good and bad. I almost sent this post reading "goof." 😁

[scriggle]

7 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

It's HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act). 

I'm surprised Timbits was able to spell schizophrenia correctly. As well as dementia and he even called Down syndrome by the proper name (as opposed to Down's which I have sometimes seen). And then he got to "metal disabilities" and all my dreams were shattered, lol!

How exactly was he "trained" to work with these populations? Some people have to go to graduate school to receive training on therapies, evaluations, etc., and then earn a license. 

Here's the job description for  a program coordinator from the Midwest health services website:

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Program Coordinator

Midwest Family of Companies – Midwest Health Services

 

Full-time

About Us

The Midwest Mission for its Program Coordinator is to provide person-centered, community-based supports to people with intellectual and developmental disabilities.

We Are Looking For Someone That

Is self-motivated

Is inspired to make a difference in other’s lives

Is highly organized

Possesses great time management skills

Customer Service driven

Is energized by getting out from behind their desks to engage with others

Strong basic computer skills

Embraces teamwork

Leads by example

Values communication

Believes in employee appreciation

Is willing to learn what they don’t know and build on what they do know

Valid Ohio Driver’s license

Willing to work flexible hours

Current successful Program Coordinators previously worked in

Intellectual/Developmental Disabilities field

Long Term Care – Assisted Living, Nursing Home

Home Health Care

Residential Settings management – apartment complex, congregate living

Settings requiring teamwork – team leader, crew leaders

Out from behind a desk – works in the field

 

Your Responsibilities Will Include, but are not limited to (full job description available at interview)

Works in a collaborative team process supporting a group of residential homes for individuals with ID/DD

Advocating for the rights of those with Intellectual/Developmental Disabilities (ID/DD)

Supporting a team of personnel serving individuals with ID/DD in their home and community

Participate as a team member in support of individuals with ID/DD in service plan development

Complete and process documentation of services provided

Works with guardians, family members, friends, in support of the individuals hopes, desires, dreams

Encourages community integration, self-advocacy and independence of individuals

Other duties as assigned by your supervisor

What We Offer You

Benefit package for all employees

Dental Insurance

Life Insurance

Sick Time

Holiday Pay

Job Specific Training and Continuous Learning Opportunities

Promotion Opportunities

Person centered atmosphere and an on call administrative team for support

Flexible schedules

401K

Additional Benefits for Full Time Employees

Vacation time

Health Insurance

I know it's difficult to fill positions in care facilities like this but no way does Timbits fulfill those qualifications.

I shudder to think about how many patients Timbits could've exposed to Covid.

[iwantcookies]

I wonder how much Jill gives Timmy from his paycheck. 
 

 

[Absolom]

I doubt Tim even needs a CNA to do be hired there.  Most of those places hire untrained care givers who are given some videos and some shadowing training and then they're tending people.

[riverblue22]

I'm surprised he has an actual job with benefits.  Although I doubt it pays enough to get out of the RV.

[truebluesmoky]

Lookie here at the Fundie royalty/terrifying abuser who commented on that video Jill posted!

[rue721]

"children training"? 🤮

Timothy's note sounds like it was written by a small child, but I believe he wrote it. Glad to hear he has a job and is actually doing well there. I wish he sounded less condescending to the people in his care, but hopefully some things were lost in translation and he's kind and supportive to them in person. What Timothy probably thinks is normal when it comes to "training" people would probably curl my hair, and honestly, I wonder what perspective that gives him on his job.

[galaxygirl76]

We all know that Debi Pearl knows all about children training. Those two are the actual worst 

[Snow Fairy]

9 hours ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

How can Tori say she's surprised that she gets pregnant less than a year after the last baby? You don't use birth control! 

She probably thinks that breastfeeding is a method of contraception

Edited January 21, 2021 by Snow Fairy

[GeeGolly]

My agency provides services for all levels of behavioral health needs. From therapy, SUDS, in-school, care-coordination and crisis. We have 24 hour units for mental health, SUDS, as well as transitional group homes and permanent group homes.

An agency needs to be licensed by different governing bodies for billing purposes, state monies and permits for building safety and occupancy. For mental health its the Department of Mental Health, for substance use its the Department of Public Health and for intellectual and behavioral issues its the Department of Developmental Services. Insurance companies are also billed by diagnoses for approved licensed services.

I find it extremely hard to believe that the agency he works for, has folks with such different diagnoses living together or being treated in the same facility. That's just not how its done. That's how it was done years and years ago when states had State Hospitals. In the few states that still have state hospital like services/units, folks are still separated by need and governing body.

Just using common sense, one would know that the needs of someone with schizophrenia, Alzheimer's or cerebral palsy are extremely different. Even if they fell in the low functioning spectrum of their respective diagnoses they would not be housed together.

As far as training, Tim likely had some extensive training, but it wouldn't be to work with certain diagnoses, it would be safety training. He likely was taught non-restraint de-escalation, maybe de-escalation w/restraining, CPR, biohazard safety/clean-up/sharps safety and driving safety. He may even be MAP certified.

Sorry for the long post, but I couldn't leave without mentioning Tim's comment about the folks he is serving. I hope Tim just came across as a complete fucking asshole in his regard for the folks he serves and really isn't. If that's really how he feels, he should be fired on the spot. Its staff with that attitude that at best, are neglectful and at worst, are abusive.

I don't know why I'm still surprised by posts from folks like Tim, Amy and Derick (all of them, really), but there always seems to be something off, or not true to real life, when they speak of jobs. I just don't get it.

[Normades]

I'm giving Tim the benefit of the doubt on his condescending tone.  Remember he's really only been exposed to Jill's attitude and way of expressing things.  She calls her sister "severely crippled."  I think the attitude he's trying to express is that he likes helping people and seems to care for them.  Hopefully I am right on that and if he enjoys it, maybe he can find an actual career there.  Of course, I do worry that he might be talking all about Jesus to the clients, which, if I had dementia would be the definition of a living hell.  

[BradandJanet]

Well, Jill clarified a couple of points: where Tim works, and that the Rods beat their children from the time they are babies. 

[laurakaye]

14 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Tim needs to look up what a “metal” disability is.

HIPA, Tim? You may not have given a name, but the rest of the information you gave wasn’t yours to give.

Less fortunate?

OMG

I can’t believe he gave the facility name.

I feel like there are at least 10 things in that stupid post that are grounds for firing.  Just because you didn't post a literal photo of the patient, Tim, doesn't mean you're not violating his privacy.  I hate to call Tim an idiot because he probably doesn't know any better than to brag about his wonderful job in a desperate effort to make himself feel important, but this is certainly not the way to go about it.  

Idiot.

[Minivanessa]

I didn't know what to make of Tim's post, and I still don't. He was reared and educated by a narcissist liar, in what's pretty much a cult like environment, so I'm not sure if he can tell the truth from a hole in the ground. I suppose I'm inclined to feel sorry for Jill's kids, but have realized that doesn't mean I can take anything they say at face value. 

[Oldernowiser]

My guess is that the Rod kids are forced to help BestMommyEver create content...or else. And especially when the content addresses multiple criticisms of this messed up family. Timmy does have a real job, check. The Rod kids aren’t criminally undereducated, check. The Rod kids aren’t just selfish prigs for Jesus, check. 

🙄

[ouinason]

So, I guess this means Tim's lawn/gutter/whatever business is side hustle.  Which is good.

I feel like Tim might be the breadwinner of his family.  Which is bad.

I don't really have that much of an issue with his post, though it was quite cringe, I feel like he was trying to put his affection for patients into words that he really doesn't have because of his poor education.   If he had the words they probably would have been more like 'even though many patients I have interacted with over the years haven't had their full faculties under their control, they were kind people with good hearts and I felt connected to them' or something.

[ginger90]

Jill took Timothy’s post down.

[GeeGolly]

5 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Jill took Timothy’s post down.

I wonder why.

[emma675]

I wonder if someone warned her it might jeopardize Tim's job (i.e., money) since he works in a sensitive, HIPPA controlled industry? We all know she wouldn't have taken it down because it had misspelled words or was demeaning to patients or anything else. 

[doodlebug]

21 hours ago, BitterApple said:

"Although they may not be all there."

Nice show of sensitivity there, Timbits.

Don't even get me started on "metal disability's." No wonder he flunked out of two colleges.

Sounds like Timbits has given up on the missionary pilot career.  No surprise there.  If he was sent to the hospital to sit with a client, then he must be an aide or another low-paid, non-licensed caregiver.  The job description someone posted confirms that.  It doesn't even require CPR certification.  They probably run some sort of employee training program where they cover the basics over a couple of days, probably no more than a week.  As you might expect, those are very low paying jobs, no wonder he's living in a trailer next to the barndominium.

I would presume that he doesn't work with people with different diagnoses in the same setting; that he worked with them at various facilities or various units.  He had a similar job up in Wisconsin; perhaps he worked with mentally ill clients there and now works with developmentally disabled clients here.  And, of course, many developmentally disabled individuals have other issues like CP or seizures.

Yes, his use of improper terminology is disturbing; as is his lack of understanding of what HIPAA is and what it means.  His characterizations of his clients are insensitive at best.  Of course, he never would've learned the correct way to describe his clients' conditions from his mother who has repeatedly shown an appalling lack of sensitivity to her own sister's medical problems.  I hope someone who works with him has corrected his poor choice of words and let him know the proper and respectful way to discuss the conditions affecting his clients.  Hopefully, that person saw his post and will take him aside and not report him for the umpteen HIPAA violations in it or he will be unemployed.

Edited January 21, 2021 by doodlebug

[emmawoodhouse]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I wonder why.

He was reported by a few people in a FB group I belong to. The company replied that it had been dealt with. They did not elaborate.

Edited January 22, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[skatelady]

31 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

He was reported by a few people in a FB group I belong to. The company replied that it had been dealt with. They did not elaborate.

Any wager on when Jill's next We're So Persecuted post will appear?

[iwantcookies]

Guess Tim got fired. 
 

Mama is mad in her bathroom/podcast room!

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, skatelady said:

Any wager on when Jill's next We're So Persecuted post will appear?

She's too busy slamming the new administration at the moment. 🙄

[ginger90]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

She's too busy slamming the new administration at the moment. 🙄

Slamming wearing masks 😷 also.

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, ginger90 said:

Slamming wearing masks 😷 also.

It's "communistic." 🙄

[doodlebug]

6 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It's "communistic." 🙄

and Jill is idiotic.

[iwantcookies]

SEVERELY moronic should be her middle name

[Zella]

Sounds like Tim probably got fired. 

[iwantcookies]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

Sounds like Tim probably got fired. 

He can thank his MAMA for that. 

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

Sounds like Tim probably got fired. 

Maybe he was reprimanded and agreed to take the post down? That would still count as persecution in their eyes.

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

He can thank his MAMA for that. 

Yep. I don't blame the place at all for firing Tim after that, but I doubt Jill or Tim will place the blame for that where it belongs, on themselves for writing and posting that. 

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Maybe he was reprimanded and agreed to take the post down? That would still count as persecution in their eyes.

It's certainly possible! But it seems like there were multiple fire-able offenses in that post. 

[sondraK]

51 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

She's too busy slamming the new administration at the moment. 🙄

Bet she won't slam that huge stimulus check she's prob.going to get

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

It's certainly possible! But it seems like there were multiple fire-able offenses in that post. 

Oh, I agree. But finding workers for those kind of jobs can't be easy. Having to take down Mama's post was bad enough. I can't feel too sorry for him if he did get fired. That post was a dumpster fire of HIPAA violations.

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I can't feel too sorry for him if he did get fired. That post was a dumpster fire of HIPAA violations.

Same. There is a tiny inkling of me that feels sorry for him, simply because I really do think he's completely ignorant of why that was so offensive. But that makes him spectacularly unfit for that job, so I'm back to not feeling sorry for him. I feel terrible for Jill's kids, and I root for them to succeed and get away from her, so I do hope Tim learns something from the experience and emerges better for it, regardless of whether the consequences were being fired or disciplined. But I don't think he's going to take away anything useful from it with Mama in his ear squalling about persecution. 

[iwantcookies]

Jill’s kids are so brainwashed/undereducated there is no hope for them to leave the cult and dear mama for good. I feel sorry for them for that. 
 

I imagine they are all going to bother people to convert them and hate the non believers just like mama. All the Rod kids will be Jill’s mini me’s and grifters.

Edited January 22, 2021 by iwantcookies

[GeeGolly]

I'm not sure Tim violated HIPAA because he didn't share any identifiers that I noticed. As a therapist, I can come home and tell my husband I had a hard day because one of my clients was suicidal and it took all afternoon to get them into a higher level of care. Technically I could write I that on FB, I wouldn't, but its not breaking the rules of HIPAA. I'm a therapist and work with folks with mental health issues, so having a suicidal client is what I do, that's not a secret. Some agencies have very strict SM rules, so Tim may have broken an agency rule.

Folks are also allowed to share where they work and many of my coworkers and colleagues have it listed in their FB profiles. I don't, but that's me. I also have my FB locked down pretty tight, but that's because I have some snoopy clients.

But, if Tim works in a small group home, it gets trickier. Say his FB friend Sally knows that her friend Jane has a brother in that group home. She might ask Jane if her brother Dick is okay, so now Jane is aware that someone in Dick's group home was hospitalized, and if it was Dick she might be upset it was on FB. Technically, Tim still did not violate HIPAA because he never mentioned the person by name, but this is why its better to be safe than sorry.

What bothered me about Tim's post was the words he used including, less fortunate, these guys and not all there. To me these words indicate that Tim is not holding these folks in high regard, does not see them as individuals, and sees them as less than or broken. Words and thoughts are powerful, so even if Tim is a caring and respectful employee right now, he needs to be taught those words and thoughts are not appropriate and the folks he supports will feel them.

Anyone who works in the human service field needs to know that every white picket fence is different, everyone is unique and every person is whole. If Tim doesn't believe this, then he is in the wrong field.

 

 

Edited January 22, 2021 by GeeGolly

[Jenniferbug]

The hospital group I work for is incredibly strict about HIPPA and social media. If I had written Tim's post, I would be terminated. We are allowed to share where we work, but are not allowed to make any reference to patients even if we know them in our personal life (literally one of the examples in the test we take each year is that if my lifelong friend has a baby, I'm not allowed to take a picture or post about me visiting her in the hospital because that's confirming that she is a patient in the care of my employer). So no Tim didn't technically violate the rules of HIPPA but he may have violated the rules his company has provided. And as GeeGolly noted with her example above, he definitely put his toe right on the line of what's HIPPA compliant. At the very least, he should be warned. 

And that's not even getting into his actual word choice about the people he is supposedly such a blessing to. He has no business being in that career if this is how he views his clients. If it were my family member in his care and I saw this post, I would be appalled. 

[doodlebug]

45 minutes ago, Jenniferbug said:

The hospital group I work for is incredibly strict about HIPPA and social media. If I had written Tim's post, I would be terminated. We are allowed to share where we work, but are not allowed to make any reference to patients even if we know them in our personal life (literally one of the examples in the test we take each year is that if my lifelong friend has a baby, I'm not allowed to take a picture or post about me visiting her in the hospital because that's confirming that she is a patient in the care of my employer). So no Tim didn't technically violate the rules of HIPPA but he may have violated the rules his company has provided. And as GeeGolly noted with her example above, he definitely put his toe right on the line of what's HIPPA compliant. At the very least, he should be warned. 

And that's not even getting into his actual word choice about the people he is supposedly such a blessing to. He has no business being in that career if this is how he views his clients. If it were my family member in his care and I saw this post, I would be appalled. 

So is the hospital system where I work.  We are strictly advised to not talk about specifics online in forums.  It's ok to say you had a tough day at work, or that it was a sad day; it is not ok to say that 3 patients arrested and died.  What Tim put online would've certainly gotten him called to HR and 'counselled' at the very least.  The insensitive terminology he used in discussing his clients would definitely get a mention.  We have to do a yearly course on respecting diversity in our patients and coworkers; including those with disabilities.  If he was at work and commented that a patient 'was not all there', I would expect a supervisor to speak up and correct his language.  If he cannot do it at work, he should not do it online.

[Albanyguy]

8 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

Jill’s kids are so brainwashed/undereducated there is no hope for them to leave the cult and dear mama for good. I feel sorry for them for that. 
 

I imagine they are all going to bother people to convert them and hate the non believers just like mama. All the Rod kids will be Jill’s mini me’s and grifters.

I wonder if Tim tried to convert the patients he was working with (which in my opinion would be a good reason for firing him). I can just see him trying to get in good with Jill by coming home and saying “I won four more people for Jesus today, Mama!”

[BradandJanet]

I feel a little sorry for Tim if he got fired or even badly punished. He is caught between a paying job that he seems to like and BEST MOMMA whose demands must be met--including writing stupid posts. But considering the behaviors of his parents, Tim should not be commenting on people who are "not all there."

I guess if he's not sitting in the room with concrete block walls and wearing five layers of clothing for his next podcast (if there is one), something has changed about the job. 

As for being a missionary pilot, in the second podcast, Tim says that he's "burdened" to become a missionary pilot. I think that means he still wants to do it. Unfortunately, just as I don't think Tim is really a manager of anything at the care facility, I don't think he'd be a good bush pilot. Both jobs require the ability to think clearly, communicate properly, and make sound decisions quickly. Tim has not been taught or encouraged to do any of this. 

 

 

Edited January 22, 2021 by BradandJanet

[crazy8s]

the sad part is if Timothy would just stay off Mama's social media, or have the um.. nerve to tell Mama to quit posting as him, he would have his job without any attention or problems and the godly gutter cleaning business might have flown under the radar for the most part.

[libgirl2]

1 hour ago, Albanyguy said:

I wonder if Tim tried to convert the patients he was working with (which in my opinion would be a good reason for firing him). I can just see him trying to get in good with Jill by coming home and saying “I won four more people for Jesus today, Mama!”

i was wondering about that too. I can't imagine him NOT trying to do so. 

[iwantcookies]

I’m trying to be kind.

Tim is no Einstein himself. I would consider him low IQ based on what I have seen. So for him to use that language to describe his patients is appalling. I can’t imagine him NOT trying to convert people at work. He probably carries bible tracts in his pocket.

 

[Ljohnson1987]

Hey Jill and Debi: It's not called training. It's called child abuse. 

 

Also TimBits has no education. I hope he treats the people he works with well. And him saying that they have mental disabilities.... Ugh. Well... he's right with some. But others are mental illnesses. 

[CalicoKitty]

12 hours ago, Zella said:

Same. There is a tiny inkling of me that feels sorry for him, simply because I really do think he's completely ignorant of why that was so offensive. But that makes him spectacularly unfit for that job, so I'm back to not feeling sorry for him. I feel terrible for Jill's kids, and I root for them to succeed and get away from her, so I do hope Tim learns something from the experience and emerges better for it, regardless of whether the consequences were being fired or disciplined. But I don't think he's going to take away anything useful from it with Mama in his ear squalling about persecution. 

I would feel terrible for Tim if Momma wrote and posted it and he had nothing to do with it.  I think that is a good possibility.  Poor Tim.  No education and no future.