Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[Turquoise]

1 hour ago, oliviabenson said:

I assume I'm looking at this correctly (I don't see any motion, so going with Nemo wasn't climbing up)...so Nemo falls asleep hanging half off the couch, and everything thinks it's adorable and photographs it instead of moving him to a safe place to sleep? Any pictures I have ever seen of a parent/child sleeping, the parent is holding the child.
Why am I surprised yet totally not surprised by this picture??

[Jeeves]

17 minutes ago, Turquoise said:

I assume I'm looking at this correctly (I don't see any motion, so going with Nemo wasn't climbing up)...so Nemo falls asleep hanging half off the couch, and everything thinks it's adorable and photographs it instead of moving him to a safe place to sleep? Any pictures I have ever seen of a parent/child sleeping, the parent is holding the child.
Why am I surprised yet totally not surprised by this picture??

Because there is damn little nurturing going on in this whole family. Kids are possessions, assets, evidence that the parents are godly and blessed. They are born sinners from day one, who need to be disciplined and punished so that they are saved from their innate sin. They are allegedly loved, and certainly their parents burble on SM about how adorable they are.

But Nurie's been well trained in IFB ways, and any biological maternal instinct she may have, to move her tiny child into a comfortable position, has been overruled by the training. Instead she takes a pic of her beloved husband sleeping while her kid pretty much dangles off the sofa, and then her mother posts it to SM as being so cute. I'd like to think she moved Nemo into a comfy position after the photo was shot but I wouldn't bet a hot dinner on it.

Edited December 29, 2022 by Jeeves

[BradandJanet]

Is Nathan assembling a collection of evangelical message shirts? Are guns next? 

[BetyBee]

If someone snapped a pic of me sleeping and posted it on the internet, I'd be ticked! 

[merylinkid]

3 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I would pay (very little) money to watch a meeting of the minds between Jill and Jinger.

In order for something to meet -- doesn't it have to exist in the first place?

3 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I would pay (very little) money to watch a meeting of the minds between Jill and Jinger.

In order for something to meet -- doesn't it have to exist in the first place?

3 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I would pay (very little) money to watch a meeting of the minds between Jill and Jinger.

In order for something to meet -- doesn't it have to exist in the first place?

Edited December 29, 2022 by merylinkid

[SMama]

1 hour ago, Jeeves said:

Because there is damn little nurturing going on in this whole family. Kids are possessions, assets, evidence that the parents are godly and blessed. They are born sinners from day one, who need to be disciplined and punished so that they are saved from their innate sin. They are allegedly loved, and certainly their parents burble on SM about how adorable they are.

But Nurie's been well trained in IFB ways, and any biological maternal instinct she may have, to move her tiny child into a comfortable position, has been overruled by the training. Instead she takes a pic of her beloved husband sleeping while her kid pretty much dangles off the sofa, and then her mother posts it to SM as being so cute. I'd like to think she moved Nemo into a comfy position after the photo was shot but I wouldn't bet a hot dinner on it.

And Nathan will not think it’s wrong in anyway because he had a similar upbringing. He is one of 7, not a large family by fundie standards. And yet he had 15 minutes one on one weekly time with his mother. 

[madpsych78]

Me re: JillRod and Jinger:

[Salacious Kitty]

Can they tag team their headships? Both ostensibly went to Bible colleges and could duke out the theology. It would be hilarious. 😂

[the-grey-lady]

19 hours ago, Turquoise said:

Part of the Christmas posting was a sales pitch...come join Jill's team!

I do work from home, Jillybean. A legit position that doesn't involve selling poison. Thanks anyway.

 

Ah, but it's poison sanctioned by God.

14 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

So, if I understand correctly, Jill is basically trying to say in her usual ignorant, judgmental, condescending, hypocrital way  that if you dont agree with her beliefs you are evil and a fool. 

Jill is such a condescending, judgmental prig. Nice of her to show it off for all to see. It's not enough that she worships the right god in the right way, and she's the very most devout and the biggest martyr, but she has to tell you about it. Frequently.

[Salacious Kitty]

Prig? That's too kind. She's a full-on bitch. 

[sagittarius sue]

22 minutes ago, the-grey-lady said:

Ah, but it's poison sanctioned by God.

And God sayeth "Leave me out of this.  I want nothing to do with that pink crap."

[Madtown]

If anybody in my family(especially my mother)gave me or my husband a pillow with a picture of us kissing, it would be in the garbage the second that person left our house.

[GeeGolly]

So JillR bought herself the pocketbook she's holding.

[BradandJanet]

Is the necklace Jill is wearing in her photo a romantic Christmas gift from Hunk? He doesn't seem the type, but Jill might buy something like that for herself, wrap it, and announce that it came from best hubby ever. 

[merylinkid]

2 hours ago, SMama said:

And Nathan will not think it’s wrong in anyway because he had a similar upbringing. He is one of 7, not a large family by fundie standards. And yet he had 15 minutes one on one weekly time with his mother. 

That's just sad.   With 7 kids, it's RIGHT THERE.  You could set aside a day for each of them.   Okay, I guess not Sunday, so someone might have to double up.   But if you REALLY wanted to you could figure out more than 15 minutes a week for alone time with each kid.  

But I guess these families are too busy telling OTHER families how to raise their kids to pay attention to their own.

[libgirl2]

31 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

So JillR bought herself the pocketbook she's holding.

I laugh but my best friend brought an electric blanket for her husband's Christmas present to her. She drew the line at wrapping it. 

[charmed1]

I’m glad Tessie got a jacket, albeit a thin one. I hope she gets to keep it rather than it being added to the Rod community closet. I wonder how many of the children’s gifts actually came from their parents. I know David’s sister gave the little girls the porcelain dolls awhile ago. I wonder if any other relatives pitched in.

[Vivigirl10]

I grew up with a family where the Mom would buy things on deep discount throughout the year and store them in a closet.  When a birthday came around, she would grab something from the closet.  I think this is what Jill does.  There's no Christmas shopping and there's no buying a gift with a specific recipient in mind.  She goes to the junk drawer and says, "this'll work".  

Oh, but her gifts better be personal and the most specialist evah!!  She's got some bragging and showing off to do!  There's nothing Jill likes better than making others jealous of her (self-imagined) perfect life!

How very Christian.

[galaxygirl76]

10 hours ago, charmed1 said:

They still sell Viewmasters?? I got a Viewmaster for Christmas in 1984. It was Michael Jackson’s Thriller. One of my favorite gifts ever. I know the Rods are behind the times, but wow. 

I don't remember when I got mine but it was likely around the same time. Mine was an A-Team one because I was obsessed with the A-Team. I was surprised to see it being a gift to a child born 40 years after me.

[merylinkid]

3 hours ago, charmed1 said:

I wonder if any other relatives pitched in.

Probably not if they know anything nice will be confiscated by Jill as "hers."   Why buy things for the kids they won't be able to keep?

[Salacious Kitty]

2 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Probably not if they know anything nice will be confiscated by Jill as "hers."   Why buy things for the kids they won't be able to keep?

I don't know if DBD's mom gives the kids anything, but it doesn't really look like it. And no way are the senior Noyses buying gifts for their 35 grandkids and three great grands (pretty sure one of Lisa's kids has a baby). 

[Heathen]

8 hours ago, SMama said:

And Nathan will not think it’s wrong in anyway because he had a similar upbringing. He is one of 7, not a large family by fundie standards. And yet he had 15 minutes one on one weekly time with his mother. 

He's one of eight. Esther, Rebekah, Daniel, Priscilla, Anna, Susanna, Nathan, and David. It may not have been a huge family by fundie standards, but it's still a very large family. Difficult for any parents to give attention equitably. 

You're right about the generational shitty parenting. 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Heathen

[SMama]

23 minutes ago, Heathen said:

He's one of eight. Esther, Rebekah, Daniel, Priscilla, Anna, Susanna, Nathan, and David. It may not have been a huge family by fundie standards, but it's still a very large family. Difficult for any parents to give attention equitably. 

You're right about the generational shitty parenting. 

Thank you, I totally forgot about Priscilla, just like her parents. IIRC Anna was talking about those 15 minutes like it was the greatest parenting in the world. Since she already has 7 kids I wonder how much one on one time she gives them.

[Heathen]

36 minutes ago, SMama said:

Thank you, I totally forgot about Priscilla, just like her parents. IIRC Anna was talking about those 15 minutes like it was the greatest parenting in the world. Since she already has 7 kids I wonder how much one on one time she gives them.

I forgot about Susanna when I first made the list! 

My guess is the M kids get more attention than Ofsmuggar herself got from her parents, but still not enough. Seven kids is just too many for one parent, or even two, to successfully care for. 

[Tigregirl]

49 minutes ago, Heathen said:

I forgot about Susanna when I first made the list! 

My guess is the M kids get more attention than Ofsmuggar herself got from her parents, but still not enough. Seven kids is just too many for one parent, or even two, to successfully care for. 

I disagree with the statement that 7 children cannot be successfully cared for by one or two parents.  I grew up in a family of 8 children.  I never felt neglected, or had to schedule one on one time with either parent.  My parents were very involved in our lives and nurtured our hobbies and interests.  We were always clean, had food on the table, received Christmas and birthday gifts that were chosen with love and based on our likes.  My mom sewed tons of clothes and knit all of us numerous hats, mittens, scarves, etc.  We spent tons of time outside with my dad, had amazing home cooked meals every night, education was valued (my dad worked in higher ed) and college was encouraged.  All but 1 of the 8 have college and post grad degrees.  Were my parents perfect?  No but none are.  Certainly in some cases parents struggle or fail, but I knew a lot of families of similar size (grew up going to Catholic schools), and I would consider most all of them to be loved and successfully cared for by their parents.

My heart hurts for the Rodlets and the lack of opportunities they have been given, the terrible education they receive, what seems to be neglect in nutrition, health care and adequate clothing.  Jill and DBD should be so ashamed of what they’re doing to their own children but I’m sure Jill can’t possibly see that she, being the perfect Christian that she is, does anything wrong.

[dargosmydaddy]

Not to mention that the 8 Keller kids are spread over 17 years (unlike the Rods, who had their first 8 kids in 8 years.. yikes!). The oldest two Keller girls married when the youngest two boys were still pretty young. The fact that the parents needed 15 minute scheduled meetings for their kids is pathetic.

[CalicoKitty]

9 hours ago, Madtown said:

If anybody in my family(especially my mother)gave me or my husband a pillow with a picture of us kissing, it would be in the garbage the second that person left our house.

She didn't even bother to put the correct sized pillow insert in the pillow cover.  Those pillows are very flat with a lot of room around the edges.  But they had better have them on display when BME goes to their houses.

[Salacious Kitty]

43 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

She didn't even bother to put the correct sized pillow insert in the pillow cover.  Those pillows are very flat with a lot of room around the edges.  But they had better have them on display when BME goes to their houses.

At least Kaylee could give the excuse that the dog chewed it up. 😀

[merylinkid]

10 hours ago, Tigregirl said:

but I’m sure Jill can’t possibly see that she, being the perfect Christian that she is, does anything wrong.

Fundism does seem to attract control freaks.   Which is what it is more about than honoring God.  Casting under the guise of religion lets them get away with a lot without question.   But its really about control.   Hence the kids MUST obey and the lack of opportunities for them.   Can't let them have an independent thought or the ability to get away from the control, umm parental, unit.   It starts with blanket training and continues right up to choosing the spouse.   Although JB screwed up there and a few husbands got out from under his thumb.   One even had the audacity to sue him.   Jill makes sure none of that will happen by marrying her daughters off to doormats who will perpetuate the cycle.

[madpsych78]

13 hours ago, Heathen said:

He's one of eight. Esther, Rebekah, Daniel, Priscilla, Anna, Susanna, Nathan, and David. It may not have been a huge family by fundie standards, but it's still a very large family. Difficult for any parents to give attention equitably. 

You're right about the generational shitty parenting. 

I knew there were eight Kellers, but if I did forget any of them, it would have been David. Until Nathan married into the Rod family, he and David were basically interchangeable for me LOL.

[BetyBee]

14 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

I knew there were eight Kellers, but if I did forget any of them, it would have been David. Until Nathan married into the Rod family, he and David were basically interchangeable for me LOL.

No wonder they were interchangeable - didn't they tend to wear matching polo shirts? I wonder if Nathan gave David a matching message shirt like the one he's been sporting in the Christmas photos?

[BradandJanet]

1 hour ago, merylinkid said:

Fundism does seem to attract control freaks.   Which is what it is more about than honoring God.  Casting under the guise of religion lets them get away with a lot without question.   But its really about control.   Hence the kids MUST obey and the lack of opportunities for them.   Can't let them have an independent thought or the ability to get away from the control, umm parental, unit.   It starts with blanket training and continues right up to choosing the spouse.   Although JB screwed up there and a few husbands got out from under his thumb.   One even had the audacity to sue him.   Jill makes sure none of that will happen by marrying her daughters off to doormats who will perpetuate the cycle.

Jill is raising an army for God; the fact that these little people are her children rarely gets in her way. Armies work on hierarchies and obedience, so Jill and David have done a good job in achieving this particular mission. The kids are probably conscripts for life. 

Jill has a lot of daughters to marry. As hard as she tries to find limp doormats for all of them, there's bound to be at least one son-in-law who doesn't fall perfectly in line. Jill and David will grow old, sick, and tired. They will become dependent. Things could get interesting.  

[merylinkid]

1 minute ago, BradandJanet said:

Jill is raising an army for God; the fact that these little people are her children rarely gets in her way. Armies work on hierarchies and obedience, so Jill and David have done a good job in achieving this particular mission. The kids are probably conscripts for life. 

In my opinion its not really about god.  If fundieism didn't exist, they would find some other excuse to justify the control of their children.   In Jill's case God is just the excuse.   Because they say its for god and their religion says to do this, people overlook that in non-fundie families its just flat out called abuse.  But again, just my perspective on it.

[Heathen]

11 hours ago, Tigregirl said:

I disagree with the statement that 7 children cannot be successfully cared for by one or two parents.  

My mother was one of six and had a vastly different experience than you claim to have had. My birth grandmother came from a family of 13 (spread over nearly 30 years), and had a different experience than you claim. Some of her sisters had 6, 10, and 13, children, and had different experiences. I don't think it's a coincidence that the younger of the 13 had only two each or that only a few of the 63 grandchildren had more than four or five children apiece -- and those were mostly before the pill was easy to access. 

YMMV. I stand by what I said -- that one or even two parents cannot successfully care for a large family. Quality over quantity. 

[Albanyguy]

23 hours ago, SMama said:

And Nathan will not think it’s wrong in anyway because he had a similar upbringing. He is one of 7, not a large family by fundie standards. And yet he had 15 minutes one on one weekly time with his mother. 

And Mrs. Keller has bragged about this as if it's something to be proud of and proof of what a great m other she is.

[Absolom]

Every time I see that I have to wonder if it was an appointment type thing to discuss religious matters and she surely had to be able to talk the children as individuals as they went about daily life.  Gardening she could talk to one or two children and while making meals and other activities. It's so natural to me that it seems is how most people do it.  

[sagittarius sue]

1 hour ago, Heathen said:

My mother was one of six and had a vastly different experience than you claim to have had. My birth grandmother came from a family of 13 (spread over nearly 30 years), and had a different experience than you claim. Some of her sisters had 6, 10, and 13, children, and had different experiences. I don't think it's a coincidence that the younger of the 13 had only two each or that only a few of the 63 grandchildren had more than four or five children apiece -- and those were mostly before the pill was easy to access. 

YMMV. I stand by what I said -- that one or even two parents cannot successfully care for a large family. Quality over quantity. 

A maternal great-grandmother had 12 children, and advised her children not to have so many.  The most anyone had was 5, and most had 2 or 3.  A paternal great-grandmother had 3 children, and told my grandmother when she was having the 4th child that it was one too many, and there were ways to prevent that.  It's humorous because she was Irish Catholic.

[satrunrose]

My mom came from a family of 8 kids. My grandmother did all the cooking, bathing and diaper changing (it was the time of diaper pins and she didn't want the older kids accidentally poking a wiggly baby). I don't really know how much my grandad contributed to that part of the household. He did do childcare. My mom, as the oldest girl and her older brother to a lesser extent, did a lot of sibling watching so that her mom had time to do all of those things. Not as bad as a sister-mom situation, but my mother wasn't super keen on the amount of extra work she was expected to take on (and I'm an only child by choice). My grandmother has said that she wouldn't have had so many kids if the pill was available (they were also a very working class family and money was pretty tight). 

[marypat57]

When Pampers first came on the scene in the mid to late 60s, you still needed diaper pins to fasten them.  My next to youngest brother (#5 out of 6 brothers) wore them for a few months until he was toilet trained.  When brother#6 was born about 3.5 years later, he was exclusively wearing Pampers, except for a few times when we ran out of them and had to use cloth diapers. 
I do remember using  electrical tape or duct tape to fasten my brother’s diapers when I had misplaced the pins.  I think that Pampers finally came out with attached tape strips sometime in 1970 or 1971.

Edited December 30, 2022 by marypat57
Spelling correction

[lookeyloo]

1 hour ago, marypat57 said:

When Pampers first came on the scene in the mid to late 60s, you still needed diaper pins to fasten them.  My next to youngest brother (#5 out of 6 brothers) wore them for a few months until he was toilet trained.  When brother#6 was born about 3.5 years later, he was exclusively wearing Pampers, except for a few times when we ran out of them and had to use cloth diapers. 
I do remember using  electrical tape or duct tape to fasten my brother’s diapers when I had misplaced the pins.  I think that Pampers finally came out with attached tape strips sometime in 1970 or 1971.

Oh gosh I remember that.  Those Pampers were what we used sometimes when we were away from home for Sweet Son.  And the pins made holes in the plastic and then they leaked.  They have come a long way.  Do we think the Duggars and their friends and family use disposables?  I used to wash diapers and hang them on a clothesline!  

[ginger90]

[beckie]

2 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Her dad looks over it all in this picture.

[ginger90]

3 minutes ago, beckie said:

Her dad looks over it all in this picture.

With good reason, David was babbling at him about football. (It was a video)

Edited December 30, 2022 by ginger90

[Turquoise]

Jill's streak of posting unflattering pictures of others continues...
Pa Noyes' expression is: "I can't believe this is my life."

[Salacious Kitty]

They took Pat with them. She didn't react the first time Jill said "Hi Mom!" She got a reaction the second time, but Jill was RIGHT THERE. Pat's got a long way to go in her recovery. 🥴

Just now, Turquoise said:

Jill's streak of posting unflattering pictures of others continues...
Pa Noyes' expression is: "I can't believe this is my life."

It was a screenshot from a video. I can't get over the bags under the poor guy's eyes. Nasty beliefs, but he's going through a lot.

[louannems]

7 minutes ago, Turquoise said:

Jill's streak of posting unflattering pictures of others continues...
Pa Noyes' expression is: "I can't believe this is my life."

She loves to post unflattering photos of others, especially women!  For herself, it’s only highly filtered tea-cup poses.

[oliviabenson]

So a 70 something unemployed Pa is feeding Dave and Jill. Woof.

Ma did not even react to Jill lol. She was probably hoping she was invisible to Jill’s shrieks.

[tabloidlover]

24 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

Ma did not even react to Jill lol. She was probably hoping she was invisible to Jill’s shrieks.

She didn’t look well at all 😔 Jill’s forcing makeup on her is cruel at this point.  If her mother isn’t asking for it, let her be!!

[Heathen]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Rodriguii-induced PTSD? 

[Trillium]

That poor Pizza Hut waiter…not only having to deal with all of them, but you know those mofo’s didn’t tip.