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9 minutes ago, RazzleberryPie said:

Ok my mistake. I thought kody and ROBYN got married on Meri’s bday. Whoever got married on Meri’s bday that was cruel.

No one got married on Meri’s birthday.

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A new clip of Janelle (and some Kody) from part three! GO JANELLE, GO!

Sister Wives’ Janelle Is 'So Tired of Counselor Robyn' Meddling in Kody Drama (msn.com)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/recaps/sister-wives-janelle-is-so-tired-of-counselor-robyn-meddling-in-kody-drama/ar-AA15YiEw?cvid=29d89fea48bb4d669c0c7187440f0741&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover

 

A little disappointed this isn't the segue into getting into Gabe and Garrison more but maybe there is more to come in the show itself.

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OK, in the above clip, Kody is feeling betrayed (again) and he is unhappy that Janelle and Christine were vacationing together while he had COVID.  (You all remember,  the one he almost died of with the 99.8 fever). Anyway, my question is: what did he expect Janelle and Christine to do? They couldn't come over and take care of him. Were they supposed to camp outside his house and hold a prayer meeting that he would stop being--- ooops--- having a pain in the a$$???? Honestly, what did he want from them?

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1 hour ago, taragel said:

A new clip of Janelle (and some Kody) from part three! GO JANELLE, GO!

Sister Wives’ Janelle Is 'So Tired of Counselor Robyn' Meddling in Kody Drama (msn.com)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/recaps/sister-wives-janelle-is-so-tired-of-counselor-robyn-meddling-in-kody-drama/ar-AA15YiEw?cvid=29d89fea48bb4d669c0c7187440f0741&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover

 

A little disappointed this isn't the segue into getting into Gabe and Garrison more but maybe there is more to come in the show itself.

What was Janelle supposed to do for him while he had Covid?   Was she supposed to risk getting it again herself by coming into his home and bringing him chicken soup?  Aurora, as a member of the household, didn’t even do that.  Aurora stayed in her room except when she left the house for class, etc. Plus he wasn’t even that sick - as we have evidence of from his own filming.   
He did not go to Janelle’s when she or any of her kids had covid - he’s on film saying so. 
If he had not alienated his own children, there were several that could drop off groceries at the door.  Plus the nanny.  
 

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On 1/2/2023 at 5:03 PM, dariafan said:

And planning to get married on meri’s birthday.  

I found that appalling. It made me realize Kody had a mean streak. And I already had zero respect for Janelle for “marrying” her ex-SIL’s husband. Didn’t she ever read the commandments about coveting? 

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On 1/1/2023 at 11:29 AM, OldWiseOne said:

I can believe that Christine was upset and stormed out of a family gathering. What I don't believe is that Kody was ever considering reconciling with Meri. That's the lie for me, the rest is irrelevant.

I agree… that whole reconciliation story is a big steaming pile of bullshit meant to keep Meri on “their” side against Janelle and Christine.

Robyn knows that Meri wants Kody back more than anything and telling her that Kody was ready to take Meri back into his bed but that nasty bitch Christine wasn’t having it is all she’d need to hear….. I think Meri knows it’s BS because the whole thing is so stupid… he suddenly wants her back because of Krispy treats?!?  But he acts repulsed when Meri asked what he’d do if she kissed him 😂

It sounds exactly like something Robyn would think up as a cover story just like her stupid “cookie” story 🙄

Robyn and Kody probably think up this crap after 10 cups of coffee at 3am while trying to get Areolablahblah to suck her binky and go to sleep!

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3 hours ago, taragel said:

A new clip of Janelle (and some Kody) from part three! GO JANELLE, GO!

Sister Wives’ Janelle Is 'So Tired of Counselor Robyn' Meddling in Kody Drama (msn.com)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/recaps/sister-wives-janelle-is-so-tired-of-counselor-robyn-meddling-in-kody-drama/ar-AA15YiEw?cvid=29d89fea48bb4d669c0c7187440f0741&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover

 

A little disappointed this isn't the segue into getting into Gabe and Garrison more but maybe there is more to come in the show itself.

I'm so happy that they are getting to the Janelle part. Janelle speaks the most plain of the five adults.

This clip is the most satisfying of the whole tell all for me. Kody actually admitted that he acted ridiculously. I don't think that he or Robyn are willing to lie about Janelle like they do about Christine and Meri.

They seem more afraid to go after Janelle. I think that they know that Janelle and her kids will hit back.

Paedon and Gwen have said a few things, but they aren't as forceful as some of Janelle's kids. I think that Janelle's kids will throw down if Kody and Robyn start a war with their mother. Janelle's kids have always been more forceful than Christine's kids. Good luck to Kody and Robyn if Maddie, Garrison, Gabe, etc. go after them publically.

We saw how Maddie told the truth in her post about Meri. Gabe has given the most truthful talking heads on the show. Garrison is pissed. I can't even imagine what he will say if he unleashes himself.

Maybe now that we're on the Janelle part, we'll get some truth.

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12 hours ago, Libby said:

They seem more afraid to go after Janelle. I think that they know that Janelle and her kids will hit back.

Paedon and Gwen have said a few things, but they aren't as forceful as some of Janelle's kids. I think that Janelle's kids will throw down if Kody and Robyn start a war with their mother. Janelle's kids have always been more forceful than Christine's kids. Good luck to Kody and Robyn if Maddie, Garrison, Gabe, etc. go after them publically.

We saw how Maddie told the truth in her post about Meri. Gabe has given the most truthful talking heads on the show. Garrison is pissed. I can't even imagine what he will say if he unleashes himself.

Maybe now that we're on the Janelle part, we'll get some truth.

 

I hope so. I've always found Janelle's kids the most impressive, singularly, and as a group.

In general, I think Kody most values the relationships with and fears disapproval from five of his six oldest kids from the OG wives (Logan, Aspyn, Leon, Madison, and Hunter), more than he does with any other group of his children.

I think he knows how to work Mykelti (because she's more like him than the rest of the above, so his leverage in their relationship is different). Half of those oldest kids are Janelle's. I suspect he feels disengaged from Leon, since they came out as trans, but we haven't seen that storyline yet, and I'm not sure if we will see much of it.

Kody loves little kids, so the younger ones are still in his good graces by default.

His biological middle kids (Paedon, Garrison, Gabriel, Gwen, Ysabel, Savanah) seem like they never rated with him. They're just old enough, that (except for Savanah), they weren't little when the show started. I assume he enjoyed their baby and little-one years, but it's almost like they're not real to him, except when they don't do what he wants.

Robyn's kids are a different matter, because they're Robyn's. I don't think that's Robyn's fault. I think it is Kody's. He loved them in order to win her love (and depending on what the truth of her first marriage was, maybe because he got a charge out of rescuing them).

Anyhow, I think Janelle's family is important to Kody, because he knows they reflect well on him. And because Janelle and Kody were "best buds" for all those years, I think he respects Janelle more than he generally respects women, and that might be why he holds back about her. (Or, he's holding it for next season.)

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15 hours ago, Libby said:

They seem more afraid to go after Janelle. I think that they know that Janelle and her kids will hit back.

 

1 hour ago, General Days said:

In general, I think Kody most values the relationships with and fears disapproval from five of his six oldest kids from the OG wives (Logan, Aspyn, Leon, Madison, and Hunter), more than he does with any other group of his children.

I have long felt that Kody doesn't rip into Janelle with quite as much force because he's afraid of the reactions from Logan and Hunter, but I can't figure out why that is.  He clearly doesn't give a single crap about their younger brothers Gabe and Garrison.  And Logan couldn't wait to get out of that environment where he was the de facto father figure to his siblings, so it seems like that particular father-son relationship is already strained.

I also find it interesting that Kody goes after Christine with such force when he knows that Paedon could squash him like a bug if he chose to do so.

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6 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

I also find it interesting that Kody goes after Christine with such force when he knows that Paedon could squash him like a bug if he chose to do so.

Maybe he will some day.  I don't know what Paedon would do if Kody went after him like he did Gabe.

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So everyone is supposed to hate Christine because she left Kody, but no one is supposed to hate Kody because he left Meri. And the reason that's okay is that Kody WOULD have reconciled with Meri, but evil Christine ruined that 5 minute window when there may have been a reconciliation. Outside of that 5 minute window, Kody can't possibly reconcile with Meri or even have a civil discussion about a divorce with his wife of over 30 years. All because of evil Christine, who isn't even in the state of Arizona anymore. 

I really hope Meri is paying attention and not buying into this ridiculous lie. But somehow I suspect that Meri still believes Robyn is her friend and that Kody won't take her back because of Christine. Maybe her buddy Jenn can help Meri see the light. 

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I think Kody gives as good as he gets x100. Right now Christine is the most outspoken anti-Kody wife so she's receiving most of his wrath. Janelle is careful in how she talks about Kody and the family dynamic, so Kody is more careful how he talks about her.

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5 hours ago, General Days said:

In general, I think Kody most values the relationships with and fears disapproval from five of his six oldest kids from the OG wives (Logan, Aspyn, Leon, Madison, and Hunter), more than he does with any other group of his children.

Probably because he actually knows them, there can actually be some bonding with a reasonable number of children.  Once he hit #7 and beyond there were simply too many kids to have any kind of meaningful relationship with. Two or three minutes a day together, especially in a large group, does not a relationship build.

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On 1/1/2023 at 2:46 AM, Libby said:

While I agree that it's a very bad thing to put your kids on tv, the only defense I'll make for the Brown adults is, I think that they really needed the money.

Yes, this! But also, at the time Kody was fighting hard to shine a more favorable light on polygamy and have it decriminalised. He wanted to show the world what an amazing concept this was (boy did that backfire!) and it would have given him an extra sense of self-importance to his family, his culture and the world.

From the very first episode you could tell that Kody loved the limelight. His wives…not so much. Their first camera appearances were awkward, cringe-worthy even. As usual, Kody had this amazing idea and dragged everyone along without caring too much about the effect it had on others. 

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9 minutes ago, Libby said:

I’m delighting that Kody tries to sound academic with his big word use, and then got the pronunciation slightly wrong when he said “EM-NITY” instead of enmity. Idiot.

Bible Dictionaries - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Enmity

Enmity

deep-rooted hatred. "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, between thy seed and her seed" ( Genesis 3:15 ). The friendship of the world is "enmity with God" ( James 4:4 ;  1 John 2:15  1 John 2:16 ). The "carnal mind" is "enmity against God" ( Romans 8:7 ). By the abrogation of the Mosaic institutes the "enmity" between Jew and Gentile is removed. They are reconciled, are "made one" ( Ephesians 2:15 Ephesians 2:16 ).

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This is a disaster shit-show, but really, isn't it all what we expected from the beginning, and isn't it satisfying to see it all blow up, just like we thought it would?  I don't mean to wish failure on anyone, but it seems like this show was all a ruse from the beginning, and a bunch of relationships built on cards,  They did really well financially for as long as they could pull it off.  I'm happy to see it all exposed and for them to realize that they weren't successful after all, although some were able to cobble together an adjunct source of income out of the show's popularity.  It's time for them to call it day, move on and end the "show".  It would be especially satisfying to see TLC find another polygamist family and start over with a new show and leave the Browns in the dust. 

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1 hour ago, Libby said:

After watching both of these, I continue to be amazed at how detached  from reality Kody is. He really believes he is the Sun that they should all revolve around and that he and Robyn can do no wrong.  When the majority of your large family tells you that you are wrong, you should search your soul.  
 

I’m so happy for Janelle.  She looks so content, not just having lost literal weight but emotional weight also. 

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1 hour ago, Libby said:

Why didn’t she ask Kody?  Or maybe she did and he refused to answer.   The man is in his 50s and has not has sex with anyone but Robyn for several years.  Either he’s monogamous in his heart or he physically can only handle a certain frequency  of sex.  Neither bodes well for polygamous relationships. Especially since he would likely choose women of child bearing age who would want to be sexually active. 

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I honestly believe that once the money is gone, Robyn will be gone.

The big difference being that Robyn is legally married to Kody. I think that she will force him to work until he drops dead in order to pay her child support. She won’t let him off easy.

Kody deserves whatever his loyal, perfect wife Robyn, does to him in the future. He so badly wanted a bad breakup with Christine. I have no doubt that Robyn will give him the bad breakup that he didn't get with Christine.

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this show was all a ruse from the beginning

I didn't watch the early seasons but I don't think it was. I think in the very beginning, Kody had some call to polygamy, whether it was really rooted in faith or something else. I think that Meri, Janelle and Christine were all believers though I think the reality of it was more difficult than any of them really imagined.

I do think around the time of Robyn's arrival and the show, it all went off the rails. I think Kody always had a favorite wife among the OG 3, but I think it was whichever wife was giving him the least trouble at the moment. I think his "love" for them was all roughly equivalent. Then he met Robyn and truly fell in love. At that point, she was always going to be the favorite and Kody was always going to protect and nurture that relationship to the detriment of all else. I think that it became progressively difficult for the OG 3 to deal with that, especially Christine, who of the three, seemed to have the strongest desire for a traditional, romantic marriage. 

Now it's all sort of a sham and a mess. Kody and Robyn really want (and pretty much have) a monogamous marriage, whether they will admit it or not. Their major source of income, however, is based on their identity as a polygamous family. And Kody, in particular, has drunk from the well of fame and will have a very hard time walking away from his Z-list celebrity. 

 

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26 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

I cannot read it without subscribing. 

Don’t worry you’re not missing anything, I don’t know what show the author is watching but it’s not the Sister Wives I’ve been watching all these years.

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3 hours ago, Libby said:

Kody seems really stuck and angry on the fact that Janelle and Christine get along now  - how can he not comprehend that sharing a husband with each other (and others) prevented them from becoming close "friends".  

I think even if they got along all the time while married to Kody he would still be mad at Janelle for still being friends with Christine because wants to blame Christine, sh*t talk Christine and cannot deal with his kids or other wives continuing a relationship with her. 

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Oh, for cripe's sake, Kootie is as dense as a brick. All of his wild-eyed hysterics about the fact that they ALL BLAME  HIM FOR EVERYTHING.  And yet, it's obvious to everyone but him that he is the common denominator

Per Robert Owen:  All the world is queer save thee and me, and even thou art a little queer.

I wish to hell that token interviewer would call that out.  "Hey, doofus, you can't see the obvious pattern here?  YOU drove them all way!"

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2 hours ago, Libby said:

I honestly believe that once the money is gone, Robyn will be gone.

The big difference being that Robyn is legally married to Kody. I think that she will force him to work until he drops dead in order to pay her child support. She won’t let him off easy.

I don't see Robyn ever leaving Kody.  She wanted that prize so bad and she got it.  For her to leave, it would mean that the incredible story she made up in her own head was all wrong, and I think she's so completely twisted up in her web of lies, she couldn't find her way out if she wanted to.  But I would pay $1.99 to be a fly on the wall after the OG3 are totally gone, because what is Robyn and Kody's relationship if they aren't sitting around making up stories to justify their hatred of the others?  When Robyn doesn't have to spend time coaxing Kody on his lines or practicing her dry-cry face in the mirror, then what?

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1 hour ago, Joan of Argh said:

Don’t worry you’re not missing anything, I don’t know what show the author is watching but it’s not the Sister Wives I’ve been watching all these years.

Totally taken in:

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Year after year, the show depicted something that is hard to capture and harder to make interesting: Good people doing their best in good faith. A family thrown together by a religion but figuring out how to stay together by choice.

 

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From the  *article  (she is referring to loyal viewers of the show):

 

If you are one of those viewers, then you’ll be thinking that I haven’t talked at nearly enough length, like about how Kody seemed to believe in egalitarian relationships between men and women, right up until his own marriage with Christine started to fall apart at which point, lashing out in hurt and panic, he told his remaining spouses that it was time to submit to patriarchy ...

 

Okay ....  I'm pretty sure this chick is smoking crack while she watches the show.   It's the only explanation for the things she says.  Because Kody has never believed in "egalitarian" relationships between anybody - not between him and his wives, not between his wives themselves, and not between him and his children. 

Kody's specialty is playing favorites.   Nobody is "equal" in his world.   He is at the top of the food chain, followed by his special pet, Robyn.  Her kids are just below, followed by the other 13 kids and 3 wives who compete for scraps.  Egalitarian, my ass.

There are 114 comments posted which I can't see.  But I would love to know how people are responding, if anyone has "real" access.

 

*  if you hit Control-C and scroll really fast when the page first opens, you can copy and read for free

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2 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

There are 114 comments posted which I can't see.  But I would love to know how people are responding, if anyone has "real" access.

They're up to 131 comments now. I'm a WAPO subscriber so I could read them. This first one I read seems to sum up the others:

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Is that the show you watched? I saw something different -- a marriage where most of the power lay with an ego-driven jerk spouting bs. The wives complained loud and long about the arrival of Robyn. When Meri legally divorced Kody, I figured she was doing a victory dance in her head. I stopped watching because it was a trash show based on a dysfunctional polyamory situation.

I don't know how this show inspired you, because I see it as a cautionary tale about a practice that should have been relegated long ago to the dust.

 

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"It's not about a favorite, it's about finding favor".  Translation:  "jist" kiss my ass and keep your mouths shut.  What a putz.

And now we can add "emnity" to his collection from the Word of the Day list.

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On 1/6/2023 at 9:04 AM, Libby said:

So basically, Kody is saying, never complain, never want more from me, never talk about me to others except to praise me, and put up and shut up about whatever time, affection, and resources I deem you deserve. 
Robyn has no reason to complain because “since day one” she has had the best of Kody and the family’s resources.
Even early on, if they were in a family meeting and one of the OG wives raised any issue, Kody’s jaw would set and his eyes would narrow and become beady.  When Robyn spoke, however, you could see Kody’s expression and eyes soften. You could tell he was taking in what she said and considering it.

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2 hours ago, Adiba said:

So basically, Kody is saying, never complain, never want more from me, never talk about me to others except to praise me, and put up and shut up about whatever time, affection, and resources I deem you deserve. 
Robyn has no reason to complain because “since day one” she has had the best of Kody and the family’s resources.
Even early on, if they were in a family meeting and one of the OG wives raised any issue, Kody’s jaw would set and his eyes would narrow and become beady.  When Robyn spoke, however, you could see Kody’s expression and eyes soften. You could tell he was taking in what she said and considering it.

There was also an episode in 2014, once they were in the houses, where Kody shares that the other wives ask Robyn to ask Kody to do things because they know he is more likely to do them.

It has been the poorest kept secret that for the last 12 years Robyn (dog kicker, manipulator, layabout and Kody toady) is the favorite wife.

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6 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

There was also an episode in 2014, once they were in the houses, where Kody shares that the other wives ask Robyn to ask Kody to do things because they know he is more likely to do them.

It has been the poorest kept secret that for the last 12 years Robyn (dog kicker, manipulator, layabout and Kody toady is the favorite wife.

Reminds me of the episode when Mariah was graduating high school. Meri was in great distress because she didn't have a good view of Mariah walking.

Instead of quietly finding herself a seat with a view, she ran to Robyn begging her to advocate to Kody to move the whole group of 15 or more people.

At that point, Meri and Kody had been married for at least 20 years but Meri knew where the power was.

Whadda way to live.🙄

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What sacrifice has she made?

Biggest house, never worked, has a nanny, and the most time with Kidney.

I see no sacrifice from her. I see sacrifices from everyone else but not her.

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Tonight's the night.

  • Kody will introduce a new word. He will mansplain and manspread.
  • Meri will say, well yea. She will fix/tug at her jacket.
  • Janelle will laugh. She will say, we'll see.
  • Christine will repeat the end of a sentence. She will say the word safe/unsafe.
  • Robyn will look up and clear her throat. She will say Kody at least 5 times.

Is Coyote Pass off limits? I want answers. They'll definitely be back because Christine has a filming area set up in her home.

Next year - Janelle's spilt? Meri becoming friends with the OGs or getting back with Kody? They'll sell everything and all move to UT? Ari will be expelled from school? The twins birth will air? Gwen's wedding will air?

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15 hours ago, toodywoody said:

and the most time with Kidney.

Right here: The sacrifice. At least for me it would be a sacrifice 😂

2 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

But will she manage to squeeze out an actual tear?

Will there finally be tears, after all those years? This is a rhetorical question, right? 😉

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