S17.E01: It’s Over

[Scarlett45]

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Janelle tests positive for COVID-19; Kody confides in Robyn about his troubles with Christine; Kody and Christine sit down to have a tense discussion about the future of their marriage, which leaves Christine feeling empowered and Kody defeated.

Air Date: September 11, 2022 

[GeeGolly]

What are common gaslighting Kody phrases?

• “You're being paranoid.”
• “You're overreacting.”
• “That never happened.”
• “You are making that up.”
• “You have always been crazy.” 
• “I don't know what you want me to say.”
• “It's your fault.”

[meligator]

Don't forget - you're not taking responsibility for this

[deirdra]

Meri should help Robyn "rebuild" by finding a hotter, younger, sweeter 4th wife for Kootie to give Robyn a taste of her own medicine!

[absolutelyido]

Christine took care of all the kids during the day, then went to work in the evening, but Christine couldn't expect Kody to put "her" kids to bed because that was asking for special treatment. But Robyn not working outside the home and having a full time nanny is just fine. 

This was the first time I've heard Christine worked outside the home, I thought taking care of the kids was her fulltime job. 

[GeeGolly]

OMG. Kody and his Utah bullshit about Christine having a loser boyfriend who will steal Truly and his money. Is he fucking kidding??!!!!

[absolutelyido]

12 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

What are common gaslighting Kody phrases?

• “You're being paranoid.”
• “You're overreacting.”
• “That never happened.”
• “You are making that up.”
• “You have always been crazy.” 
• “I don't know what you want me to say.”
• “It's your fault.”

Telling Christine what "grownups" do.

[GeeGolly]

I stopped watching for a time because of Kody. I'm so glad I'm watching now as Kody blatantly reveals himself to be the selfish dickhead that he is.

[65mickey]

Christine said a lot in her talking heads that I wanted her to say to Kody's face. Can I just say if I never hear  "intimate marriage" again it will be too soon.  I kept faling asleep while this shit show was on. Did she ever tell him that any feelings she ever had for him died when he refused to be with Ysabel for her surgery? Or when he told Ysabel that he couldn't hug her goodbye because of Covid? They way he treated her children trumps the lack of sex in the marriage in my book. 

[absolutelyido]

10 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

OMG. Kody and his Utah bullshit about Christine having a loser boyfriend who will steal Truly and his money. Is he fucking kidding??!!!!

Such a stupid argument. Kody will have a legal obligation to provide financial support for Truley, and a legal right to spend time with her. Whether or not Christine has a boyfriend won't change any of that.

[Adeejay]

I think Kody has lost his ever-loving mind.  I can’t believe he told Christine to find another man, marry him and have him live in Flagstaff with them.  Then when I thought he couldn’t possibly top that, he tells her that he only wants her to stay because he is supposed to, and that he sacrificed to love her.  

Robyn sounded as though she empathized with Christine.  But then she lost me when she told Kody, “Go there, that is your home.” So now, I’m not sure if she had his assets in mind or wanted them to fix their problem. 

[65mickey]

I know that Christine did not need a divorce but I hope she sought legal advice to untangle her finances from Kody and company and to get her money from the sale of her house and the portion that she owned on prairie dog plague property. 

[Irate Panda]

Kody’s really trying to trot out their kids in this argument 🙄 Let’s stay together for the children…5 out of the 6 children are grown and gone and the last one already let him know he wasn’t shit! Plus, what’s all this nonsense about this imaginary boyfriend, who’s going to take Kody’s imaginary money. I never really hated any of these people, but raggedy ass Kody got my blood pressure up tonight. 
 

On a side note, since that scene was totally manufactured to film, I’m sure Robyn was just sittin’ there with her little notebook calculating how much debt money Christine’s new boyfriend will try and drain out of Precious Moments figurine emergency fund.

[lindalouwho]

He married her for her pedigree, not love. He’s going to lose face if she leaves him. “This furniture is mine.” Explains why Christine left it all behind when she went to Utah. Breaking up what family? They’re all married, working or at university except Truley. Am I supposed to believe he suddenly wants to spend time with her? And, yes, she can take her. You’re not legally married, and I doubt you’re on the birth certificate. So busy trying to make Christine look bad he doesn’t hear how awful he makes himself look. What a complete loser.

[Irate Panda]

Oh, I forgot…Kody, really had his 10 year old child, tucking his other children in at night because he was probably swapping harmones!

Edited September 12, 2022 by Irate Panda

[Art Of Noiz]

1 hour ago, deirdra said:

Meri should help Robyn "rebuild" by finding a hotter, younger, sweeter 4th wife for Kootie to give Robyn a taste of her own medicine!

I would watch that!

[gingerella]

I'd love to know what this 'family's' financial situation is. I mean, does each person have their own TLC paycheck or has Douche commandeered all the paychecks? My guess is that TLC paid each adult separately because of taxes, etc., so what Douche is really upset about is that he's losing a part of his gravy train. It makes him look bad (he is). It makes it looks like plural marriage is a farce (it is). He might lose access to Christine's TLC money (I hope he does). He is beyond an asshole. He is a disgusting excuse for a human being. 

Go Christine! GO!

Edited September 12, 2022 by gingerella

[Joan of Argh]

2 hours ago, Irate Panda said:

Kody’s really trying to trot out their kids in this argument 🙄 Let’s stay together for the children…5 out of the 6 children are grown and gone and the last one already let him know he wasn’t shit! Plus, what’s all this nonsense about this imaginary boyfriend, who’s going to take Kody’s imaginary money. I never really hated any of these people, but raggedy ass Kody got my blood pressure up tonight. 
 

On a side note, since that scene was totally manufactured to film, I’m sure Robyn was just sittin’ there with her little notebook calculating how much debt money Christine’s new boyfriend will try and drain out of Precious Moments figurine emergency fund.

That whole BS about some opportunist boyfriend dating Christine to get his hands on Kodys MILLIONS (excuse me while I pee my pants laughing!!!!)

As if Christine is so repulsive that no man with a good job and his own money would be interested in her.

I wanted to reach through the screen and smack his face! 🤬

[eskimo]

I really wanted Christine to go on the offensive, enough trying to defend yourself.  He was aggressive and leveling blame at her, while telling her that she's blaming him for everything.  He is everything he accuses her of being.

Judging by the lighting, that conversation went on for a long time.  Christine wasted a good chunk of her day arguing with Kody about how they got here, when she must have already known there was a zero percent chance Kody would see even a single thing from any perspective other than his own. I just kept wondering why she continued on with it.  He did it because he loves himself some strife and drama. He probably got another couple of hours out of it as he rehashed it with Robyn when he got home. But she should have said something like, 'this conversation is going nowhere.  It's over and the girls and I want to order a pizza and watch a movie. Bye.'  The best way to get to an egomaniac is to be dismissive of them.  It takes away their sense of power.  They HATE that.

Edited September 12, 2022 by eskimo

[GeeGolly]

Kody's worried about a new guy on the scene going after his money. Kind of like when Robyn came on the scene and threw her bills on the table? How did he think his wives felt then?

Robyn's sister and mother need to stop telling Robyn she's innocent in all this. While its primarily Kody's fault, Robyn and her manipulation started it all and kept the ball rolling.

[sioux21]

Kody just wanted it to not be his fault. He didn't deny that what she was saying was true, just that he didn't use certain exact words. Who cares how exactly you put it or whether you remember things the same way? The fact is, it's all true. He just wants to be absolved of any responsibility. He thinks he sacrificed everything for her - what he sacrificed for her, I am not sure. Just let her go, Kody. 

[TurtlePower]

So I wonder what Meri thinks of all this — Christine saying she’d never want what Kody and Meri have (essentially nothing). I wonder what our “strong woman” thinks of another wife who’s fed up with her relationship making the scary move to leave, while Meri sits and says “it’s fine”.

Who’s the strong woman now? I think Meri will be (is) feeling jealous and shown up, hence all her BS cryptic posts lately.

So happy to hear Christine sticking to her guns with Kody. She didn’t back down. 

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Kody's worried about a new guy on the scene going after his money. Kind of like when Robyn came on the scene and threw her bills on the table? How did he think his wives felt then?

Robyn's sister and mother need to stop telling Robyn she's innocent in all this. While its primarily Kody's fault, Robyn and her manipulation started it all and kept the ball rolling.

Meri started it all. She pushed Kody to pursue Robyn, thinking it would elevate her status. We all see how that turned out. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by TurtlePower

[ginger90]

No live tweeting for the family again this season.

Janelle posted about the new season on Instagram, with comments turned off. Christine reposted from TLC on Instagram, comments on.

[TurtlePower]

1 minute ago, ginger90 said:

No live tweeting for the family again this season.

Janelle posted about the new season on Instagram, with comments turned off. Christine reposted from TLC on Instagram, comments on.

I love that Christine is getting attention for her cooking (and Meri and her Rice Krispie  treats are not). 🤣

[ginger90]

I wonder if Nancy watched the premiere. 🧐

[LilyD]

8 hours ago, absolutelyido said:

Such a stupid argument. Kody will have a legal obligation to provide financial support for Truley, and a legal right to spend time with her. Whether or not Christine has a boyfriend won't change any of that.

He's not using his legal right to see Truely anyway, so what's the problem?

If anything, he should be relieved if Christine moves away. It saves him time to come up with crap excuses for not being able wanting to see her and  he can put all the blame for this on Christine and pretend it wasn't his fault.....

[laurakaye]

Kody = Gaslighting King.  Fortunately Christine now has the capacity to recognize what he's doing and to shoot him down.  I think it's because she's watched two of her daughters have successful marriages that she's been forced to confront the fact that Kody never loved her and he never will unless she becomes this magical loving unicorn person which she never can become because Kody keeps moving the boundary lines.  It's a gross game and Christine just flipped the board and told Kody she doesn't want to play anymore.

Meri, what do you think about Kody saying, "well, geez, Christine, at least we have more of a relationship than I do with Meri!"  Go ahead and vague-post another platitude like "The strong only get stronger whilst the northern winds blow against the walls of my soul."  Kody is making a fool of you while he attempts to take down Christine.  The difference is, Christine is no longer willing to play doormat.  I guess that's Meri's role now.

Robyn saying "I need to stay out of it" with regards to Kody and Christine made me literally laugh out loud.  Please, Dark Queen.  Your fat fingerprints are all over the demise of that "marriage."  Congrats.  Go back to doodling on your notepad and then go take another nap.

Edited September 12, 2022 by laurakaye

[LilyD]

9 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

What are common gaslighting Kody phrases?

• “You're being paranoid.”
• “You're overreacting.”
• “That never happened.”
• “You are making that up.”
• “You have always been crazy.” 
• “I don't know what you want me to say.”
• “It's your fault.”

Awesome, maybe we can do a SW-shit phrase-bingo during the next episode? 

[Fosca]

17 minutes ago, LilyD said:

Awesome, maybe we can do a SW-shit phrase-bingo during the next episode? 

Just don't do it as a drinking game; alcohol poisoning isn't fun.

[dariafan]

Why would an adult male in a relationship want to move to the non existent compound to live ?   Kody and his kingdom idea are just ridiculous.   And all the “ what about the kids?”  What about those kids that are grown and gasp live in Utah.  Truley already hates you , so please stop pretending you care 

[GeeGolly]

I'm fairly certain everything Christine said during this episode she has said in previous episodes, to other wives and to the family as a whole. Kody and everyone knew how she felt, they all just thought she would stick around. After all, Meri and Janelle are, so why wouldn't she? Shit, even Christine thought she would stick around. Like we have said, and she said last night, she just needed to know she could manage on her own and she did during the onset of the pandemic.

[islandgal140]

Wow! I'm almost embarrassed to say that I was riveted by that conversation b/w the Kodster and Christine.  RIVETED! This episode is worth a re-watch.

I was flabbergasted to learn that Christine had a night job back in Lehi! She is is taking care of the kids during the day and working at night and Kody can't even be bothered to tuck in or even check in on the kids. My thought was also, Janelle's ass can't return the favor and lumber over to tuck in those kids?!?! I was made to believe that Christine was 100% a stay at home mom. Also WTF, should she be also looking after Robyn's kids if Robyn was indeed stay at home and didn't work!!! 

Hold up! I thought that Kody said many seasons ago that he never discussed his relationship with one wife with other sister wives because it can cause strife?!? But now, we actual see him not only sit down with Robyn to discuss his non-relationship with Christine but also say about her, and I quote: "...she has a nature of understanding relationships and how to make them work." 

Is it any wonder that all of his other relationships are now in shambles and the only functional relationship, and legal marriage is his and Robyn's!! Funny how that works!

Christine's quiet resolve was a thing of beauty but yeah, I wish she had some of the same energy in her TH in her meeting with Kody! But yes Christine named it! I think this was the 1st time in series history that a wife named Robyn as the fave wife. They always alluded to a fave, but never said the name out loud, like Voldemort (which she also is). I wish she had said that in her meeting. Also, how he failed to be there for Ysabel during back major surgery, which was fucking despicable! 

11 hours ago, Adeejay said:

I think Kody has lost his ever-loving mind.  I can’t believe he told Christine to find another man, marry him and have him live in Flagstaff with them.  Then when I thought he couldn’t possibly top that, he tells her that he only wants her to stay because he is supposed to, and that he sacrificed to love her.  

Robyn sounded as though she empathized with Christine.  But then she lost me when she told Kody, “Go there, that is your home.” So now, I’m not sure if she had his assets in mind or wanted them to fix their problem. 

Christine bought her home and Kody's name wasn't on the deed.  That was probably the 1st thought in Robyn's head. Christine's probably sold at the top of the market when everything was going far above asking and I hope she pocketed it all and gave nary a dime to Kody/Robyn. 

Losing Christine is a blow to his ego, and I think he enjoys being withholding and having wives beg and plead for his attention and affection. Plus, now he can't say he has 4 wives.

6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Kody's worried about a new guy on the scene going after his money. Kind of like when Robyn came on the scene and threw her bills on the table?

I swear that scene lives rent free in my head and was the start of my strong dislike of Robyn, which has really become justified as the show unfolded and the other marriages devolved into further dysfunction.  Another scene that really cements it all for me was last season after he came home from Janelle's mom's funeral and being quarantined and greeted Robyn, it was the 1st time I saw him really, really happy and show such warmth and affection to a wife. Robyn is his only wife, his true love and his home. He needs to stop lying!

Edited September 12, 2022 by islandgal140

[ginger90]

3 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

Christine bought her home and Kody's name wasn't on the deed. 

I believe it was.

[LilyD]

Kody was on the deed originally but for reasons undisclosed, he was removed not long after. It happened just before Robyn had no choice but to buy a very expensive house because God was too busy to sort out a luxurious and big rennal for her. So, it was speculated that he had himself removed of Christine's deed to help Robyn buy hers.

As he wasn't on the deed, not married to Christine and certainly not living there, I'd say he had little or no claim to any of the profit Christine made from the sale of her house. "The Past Christine" would probably have been silly and naive enough to hand over some  money to him as a compensation of sorts but the Christine we see now has grown up and learned some harsh lessons when it comes to love and commitment. I highly doubt she generously handed him anything. *

[js9548]

I too am surprised to hear that Christine had a night job. I remember one episode in the early years which portrayed the morning routine. I don't remember all of it, but Janelle left very early for work and Logan was responsible for getting his siblings up and off to school. Then (I think) Christine's batch got up and off to school. I remember thinking how responsible Logan was in taking care of his siblings in the morning. I also thought, at the time, that this was Christine's job since she was the stay-at-home wife.  I did not know she worked nights.

Also isn't the point of sister wives to watch and care for each other's children. As someone already mentioned, why didn't Janelle help put Christine's children to bed? 

[SunnyBeBe]

I guess my take away from this episode is, Kody has money? 😳 This is bizarre.  Lol

[Elizzikra]

13 minutes ago, LilyD said:

Kody was on the deed originally but for reasons undisclosed, he was removed not long after. It happened just before Robyn had no choice but to buy a very expensive house because God was too busy to sort out a luxurious and big rennal for her. So, it was speculated that he had himself removed of Christine's deed to help Robyn buy hers.

As he wasn't on the deed, not married to Christine and certainly not living there, I'd say he had little or no claim to any of the profit Christine made from the sale of her house. "The Past Christine" would probably have been silly and naive enough to hand over some  money to him as a compensation of sorts but the Christine we see now has grown up and learned some harsh lessons when it comes to love and commitment. I highly doubt she generously handed him anything. *

I thought the deal was that she kept the proceeds from the sale of her house and Kody kept her share of the Plague Pass land? Not sure where I read that though...

[GeeGolly]

Did Utah have work/school rules around receiving benefits like SNAP, back then? Christine said she "had to work". Also, I didn't get the impression Christine worked every night, nor for very long.

[Shelbie]

I think Kody was getting angrier and more demented the longer the meeting went on. He wanted Christine crying and yelling and then begging to go back to how things were. When she stayed calm and and refused to consider staying he had no idea what to say so got meaner.

[GeeGolly]

Just now, Shelbie said:

I think Kody was getting angrier and more demented the longer the meeting went on. He wanted Christine crying and yelling and then begging to go back to how things were. When she stayed calm and and refused to consider staying he had no idea what to say so got meaner.

I also think Christine wished Kody would beg her to stay. In the marriage, not the just the family. Especially not just the family, with a husband. 🤦🏽‍♀️

If he had said, I love you, I want this to work, for both you and me, lets figure it out, we'd be seeing a different (likely temporary) scene playing out right now.

[javajeanelaine]

I can’t fathom what any of these women see in Kody. 

[65mickey]

When was this season filmed. I take it this was before Avalon was born and she was born in April 2021. It must have been fimed before the vaccines were available to everyone at least these early episodes anyway.

[Kid]

Why is Christina even having this conversation with Numbnuts? Just change the locks and don't let him in. 

We all know what the outcome is this is all for TV but his gaslighting is just infuriating. She doesn't need him to let go.  She moved out all the stuff, just change the locks, and do what she did which is get the hell out of Dodge.

And now he's worrying about what's legal? When he had four "wives", legalities certainly didn't concern him.

And now he's worried about being in his children's lives? When his daughter had major surgery and wanted him there, he did not go and, in fact, he didn't want Christine to go either.

Edited September 13, 2022 by Kid

[SunnyBeBe]

Kody doesn’t understand how he comes off and how he’s unlikely to change someone’s mind with denials and accusations.  Even if Christine had refused to use proper covid precautions, Kody’s  fight on those grounds  won’t win him anything.  This was a time that he would have done better by falling on his sword.  It might have gone better if he had said that he was wrong, he acted foolishly, didn’t do the right thing and that he is very sorry that he hurt her and the kids.  Is it in her heart to forgive him and let him prove. his commitment to the marriage?  Starting out with a trip for two to Hawaii.  Just the two of them.  Let them rebuild the intimacy.  And, that Robyn is no more important than the other wives.  He should add in that he still struggles with Meri, but he is praying for guidance on how to handle that.  He wants to make peace with the family and fulfill her physical needs.  He should ask for 6 months to show his sincerity.  Even get on his knees and beg.  THEN, he might have had a chance.  Just saying……he had to know his strategy would not work.  

[dariafan]

I wish he sought advice from someone other than Robyn. Cause they would have told him that all your kids that aren’t from Robyn preferred to spend thanksgiving with Christine and Janelle, and not you.   You discarded them , so guess what.  

[Chris Knight]

I wasn't aware that Christine ever worked but what I got out of this was she was in charge of 18 million kids all day and she had a night job AND she was pregnant. He really couldn't have helped her ? He is possibly the worst reality character ever. Robyn should shut up and keep her goiter out of this. Christine should take Truly and go live with the people she loves, and who love her. And none of them care about Kody at all. Maybe they did at one time but that all changed when Goiter entered the picture. 

[SongbirdHollow]

To say you no longer are in love with someone is one thing, but to tell Christine (and Meri) that he NEVER loved them and their whole lives were lies is a special kind of cruelty. Yes, Christine, you made the right decision. 

[ezzy4]

19 minutes ago, Kid said:

Why is Christina even having this conversation with Numbnuts? Just change the locks and don't let him in. 

We all know what the outcome is this is all for TV but his gaslighting is just infuriating. She doesn't need him to let go.  She moved out all the stuff, just change the locks, and do what she did which is get the hell out of Dodge.

And now she's worrying about what's legal? When he had four "wives", legalities certainly didn't concern him.

And now he's worried about being in his children's lives? When is daughter had major surgery and wanted him there, he did not go and, in fact, he didn't want Christina to go either.

I kinda understand Christine 'cause it's all very reminiscent of my first marriage ending.  She's dealing with a narcissist and a whole system of gaslighting.  It's hard to keep your bearings.  It seemed she was resolved but still felt an obligation to sit through all the abuse in the endless (and filmed) conversation.  It's so weird but when you are so use to it you don't know how or when it's reasonable to disengage.

Honestly the legal protection of divorce laws helped me tremendously...just in understanding where appropriate boundaries should be (for example: an expectation that both parents are financially responsible fir the children).

Poor Christine doesn't have this help.  It can't help her to have examples like Meri around her.  

What a mess.

Kody is the WORST.

[GeeGolly]

3 minutes ago, ezzy4 said:

I kinda understand Christine 'cause it's all very reminiscent of my first marriage ending.  She's dealing with a narcissist and a whole system of gaslighting.  It's hard to keep your bearings.  It seemed she was resolved but still felt an obligation to sit through all the abuse in the endless (and filmed) conversation.  It's so weird but when you are so use to it you don't know how or when it's reasonable to disengage.

Honestly the legal protection of divorce laws helped me tremendously...just in understanding where appropriate boundaries should be (for example: an expectation that both parents are financially responsible fir the children).

Poor Christine doesn't have this help.  It can't help her to have examples like Meri around her.  

What a mess.

Kody is the WORST.

Christine benefitted from the conversation though. As she said, it reinforced her decision to leave Kody.

[SunnyBeBe]

I doubt Christine or Kody would have had the sit down, if they weren’t getting paid for it.