S06.E12: Katoby

[peeayebee]

Where do you all get the specific years in the timeline?

[Trillian]

11 hours ago, maggiemae said:

Thing is little Jack and grown up little Jack had light brown hair...chubby little Jack had quite dark brown if not black hair like Hailey, iirc.

I thought little Jack also looked quite a bit smaller/younger than his younger sister. I guess it can happen, since we don’t know the stature of Hailey’s biological father but I found it jarring.

Then again, despite how perfect so much of the casting has been in matching the young and old versions of the characters, if they were looking for a vision-impaired young boy of a particular age (and kudos for doing so), the pool of candidates was probably limited. 

[Crashcourse]

7 hours ago, gameshowjunkie said:

No effing merlot to be more precise!

Every time I see a bottle in a store, I have to refrain from shouting it! 😅

[gonzosgirrl]

I finally watched. For me, there is no redeeming Kate no matter how much Toby 'saw it' in the future. *gag me* I might have missed something, but it seemed to me that she made not one concession in those months they were supposedly attempting to make it work. Everything was on Toby to 'fix'. Her contribution was to deign to (maybe) forgive him his transgressions. (Spoiler alert: she doesn't.)  If nothing else, I hate her for the lackluster 'okay' when Toby told her he would take the job in LA. Bitch. Even Philip Mean Jerk (Who Has A Dead Wife) doesn't deserve her.

Edited April 16, 2022 by gonzosgirrl

[PRgal]

5 hours ago, Eureka said:

Yup, this year will be our 25th anniversary and I didn’t change my name either. When we moved from the Boston area soon after we got married (where many of my friends also kept their names) down to south of the Mason Dixon line, I confused people when I tried to set up phone service and wanted two phone book listings for us, one under each name. (Talking about dating myself with that reference!) Our kids have my husband’s last name, which is fine by me. One my kids has my last name as his middle name.

12 years this August here.  I have two last names - my maiden name and my husband's name, no hyphen (which really confuses people as they assume it's hyphenated).  My son also has both names, unhyphenated.  When we call him by his Chinese name (which isn't on his birth certificate), it's my maiden name only.  I suppose it's kind of Hong Kong-ish.  Many women who take their husband's name are referred to with both.  So you could be something like Sophie Wong Chan Mei Lee or something like that.  Wong would be her married name and Chan, her maiden name.

[LeisureTime]

I'm finally caught up with the show and this thread. A lot of what I wanted to say has already been said, most notably that Toby sacrificed so much multiple times to make things work, and Kate didn't sacrifice a damn thing, she just complained about how Toby either wasn't doing enough or wasn't doing it right. But like I said, that's been said.

As far as San Francisco goes, Kate's reasoning for not moving was so weak. Again, as has been said, Jack will have to learn to navigate new places pretty much every day for the rest of his life.  And I can't believe that there aren't schools for Jack and Kate in SF.

So the only thing keeping Kate in LA, really, is Rebecca. And wasn't it just a couple episodes ago that Rebecca ordered her kids not to make their lives smaller because of her? To make the big moves? If we didn't know Kate/Toby was doomed, I would have taken that and Kate's subsequent visit to SF as testing the waters for a move . And yeah, okay, Toby probably felt the same and moved a little too fast. On the other hand, you have to move fast in this housing market, and none of that makes up for Kate's "You're not my jolly fat husband anymore -- despite still being pretty happy -- so everything I loved about you is gone" bullshit.

As for Kate/Phillip: If I hadn't just witnessed Kate be a complete and total asshole for the better part of 44 minutes, I would find their relationship sweet and cute now that Phillips has apparently had a personality transplant. And if you ask me, Kate should change her name to Kate Mean Jerk. It would be very fitting.

Not a fan of serial-dating Kevin. It just seems like such a step backward when everything prior had indicated moving forward. I still want the full Rebecca/Miguel story. And I don't want Miguel to die, but I'm pretty resigned to that most likely happening. Probably in their episode, just to rub salt in the wound.

[Cosmocrush]

32 minutes ago, LeisureTime said:

And wasn't it just a couple episodes ago that Rebecca ordered her kids not to make their lives smaller because of her? To make the big moves? If we didn't know Kate/Toby was doomed, I would have taken that and Kate's subsequent visit to SF as testing the waters for a move

Ah but big moves is exactly what prompted her to go for the bigger job and let go of her miserable marriage.  Sometimes that takes more courage than trying to force a relationship into something it isn't any longer.  

[Blakeston]

3 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Ah but big moves is exactly what prompted her to go for the bigger job and let go of her miserable marriage.  Sometimes that takes more courage than trying to force a relationship into something it isn't any longer.  

I wish she'd had the courage to do that when Jack had his accident, rather than letting Toby quit his dream job to save a marriage that she'd already checked out of.

[Cosmocrush]

40 minutes ago, Blakeston said:

I wish she'd had the courage to do that when Jack had his accident, rather than letting Toby quit his dream job to save a marriage that she'd already checked out of.

That's fair. 

I wish Toby had told his wife about the L.A. job offer when he first got it and they could have discussed it.  He didn't even want to talk about it in SF.  When he decided he WAS going to quit his "dream job" and take the L.A. job he talk to Kate about it either - just told her that was what he was doing. 

I don't think she expected Toby to do that - I know I didn't.  And 16 months of marriage counseling without significant results seems excessive.  I think she really tried - for her kids and because she did love Toby.  But they were both miserable.  

Kate isn't responsible for Toby's happiness any more than he is for her happiness.  I think that's the part that Toby finally "got" and Kate realized on The Hill.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2022 by Cosmocrush

[CrystalBlue]

4 hours ago, LeisureTime said:

I'm finally caught up with the show and this thread. A lot of what I wanted to say has already been said, most notably that Toby sacrificed so much multiple times to make things work, and Kate didn't sacrifice a damn thing, she just complained about how Toby either wasn't doing enough or wasn't doing it right. But like I said, that's been said.

As far as San Francisco goes, Kate's reasoning for not moving was so weak. Again, as has been said, Jack will have to learn to navigate new places pretty much every day for the rest of his life.  And I can't believe that there aren't schools for Jack and Kate in SF.

So the only thing keeping Kate in LA, really, is Rebecca. And wasn't it just a couple episodes ago that Rebecca ordered her kids not to make their lives smaller because of her? To make the big moves? If we didn't know Kate/Toby was doomed, I would have taken that and Kate's subsequent visit to SF as testing the waters for a move . And yeah, okay, Toby probably felt the same and moved a little too fast. On the other hand, you have to move fast in this housing market, and none of that makes up for Kate's "You're not my jolly fat husband anymore -- despite still being pretty happy -- so everything I loved about you is gone" bullshit.

As for Kate/Phillip: If I hadn't just witnessed Kate be a complete and total asshole for the better part of 44 minutes, I would find their relationship sweet and cute now that Phillips has apparently had a personality transplant. And if you ask me, Kate should change her name to Kate Mean Jerk. It would be very fitting.

Not a fan of serial-dating Kevin. It just seems like such a step backward when everything prior had indicated moving forward. I still want the full Rebecca/Miguel story. And I don't want Miguel to die, but I'm pretty resigned to that most likely happening. Probably in their episode, just to rub salt in the wound.

Couldn't have been said better than this even though many sentiments here have been said before.

[Pattycake2]

Why do we think they had 16 months of counseling?  In the scene with the therapist, Toby said they had been in counseling for six months.  A wise friend of mine once said that you know you’re married when a bad patch lasts five years.

[ams1001]

16 minutes ago, Pattycake2 said:

Why do we think they had 16 months of counseling?  In the scene with the therapist, Toby said they had been in counseling for six months.  A wise friend of mine once said that you know you’re married when a bad patch lasts five years.

I think people misheard; I thought I heard sixteen, as well. 

Just went a'googling and he does say six.

https://ew.com/tv/see-this-is-us-kate-toby-disastrous-therapy-session/

[chocolatine]

It was six months at the one counseling session when Kate arrived late and Toby left early, but they kept going for a while after that. I thought sixteen months was when they had the disastrous dinner at which Kate told Toby she wanted a divorce.

[ams1001]

1 hour ago, chocolatine said:

It was six months at the one counseling session when Kate arrived late and Toby left early, but they kept going for a while after that. I thought sixteen months was when they had the disastrous dinner at which Kate told Toby she wanted a divorce.

I knew I heard sixteen somewhere... Okay, according to this recap:

Quote

 

During a therapy session six months in, Kate is late, bickering erupts, and Toby storms out.

...

Sixteen months into therapy, at the therapist's suggestion, Kate and Toby attempt to have a nice dinner date.

 

 

[gonzosgirrl]

3 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

And 16 months of marriage counseling without significant results seems excessive.  I think she really tried - for her kids and because she did love Toby.  But they were both miserable.  

What did she do in this episode,  or in the last one, that indicated any attempt at trying on her part?  I legit can't think of one single thing. She couldn't even get her ass to therapy on time, and chatting with Jack's teacher was just about the lamest excuse possible. 

[ams1001]

3 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

and chatting with Jack's teacher was just about the lamest excuse possible. 

But she was being polite! 🙄

"I'm sorry, I have an appointment so I need to go. See you tomorrow!" Perfectly polite. 

[CdrJanny]

On 4/15/2022 at 12:00 PM, cameron said:

No way did I want my husband to have the traits of my father.

Unfortunately I have many of my father's less than admirable traits, as does my half-sister, whose relationship with him was nearly as contentious as mine.

😟

[Diana Berry]

On 4/12/2022 at 10:24 PM, Seelouis said:

There was a throwaway line at the party where Madison said “Elijah, you put this baby in me so get me food” or something like that. 
 

I was so happy Toby met someone and is happily married in the future. I didn’t realize how much I wanted that for him. And in that one short meet-cute scene he and his new wife had more chemistry than Kate and Phillip, who have absolutely none. 

Just watched the episode.  
 

great observation, Toby did have more chemistry in one scene with parfait girl than a whole hour of Phillip and Kate.  
 

did I miss something.  It showed Toby getting a small apartment.  Then it shows a quite nice house.  Are we to assume , he gets his career back on track?

[chocolatine]

36 minutes ago, Diana Berry said:

did I miss something.  It showed Toby getting a small apartment.  Then it shows a quite nice house.  Are we to assume , he gets his career back on track?

I think the house is supposed to be some time after the apartment, i.e. the time it took him to save up enough for a down payment after the divorce. Nothing was said about him getting a better paid job (and one that he enjoys), but that's what some of us hope has happened.

Edited April 17, 2022 by chocolatine

[Crs97]

2 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

chatting with Jack's teacher was just about the lamest excuse possible. 

Well, you know how those teachers are.  After a very long day of working with kids, they want nothing more than to spend 20-30 minutes talking with each parent.  If you cut them off, then they take it out on your kid the next day. 🙄

[chocolatine]

Just now, Crs97 said:

Well, you know how those teachers are.  After a very long day of working with kids, they want nothing more than to spend 20-30 minutes talking with each parent.  If you cut them off, then they take it out on your kid the next day. 🙄

Is it possible that "Jack's teacher" was Philip and Kate was the only parent he spent 20 minutes chatting with at pickup? Although if that was the case, Toby would have probably known it and called Kate out on her BS excuse that the teacher wouldn't treat Jack well if Kate didn't stay and chat each time.

[ams1001]

2 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

Well, you know how those teachers are.  After a very long day of working with kids, they want nothing more than to spend 20-30 minutes talking with each parent.  If you cut them off, then they take it out on your kid the next day. 🙄

If she really thinks they're going to treat her kid badly if she doesn't chitchat, perhaps it's time to find a new school...

[CrystalBlue]

At the time of my watching this episode, as well as upon reflection, I do think Kate was chatting with Philip, who was Jack's teacher, because she purposefully didn't say his name, and we don't know of another teacher by name.  My suspicious mind tells me that dollars to donuts they weren't expressly talking about Jack, but also, or rather, trading marriage horror stories with each other.  Something had to have sparked the fire between Philip and Kate for them to even consider getting involved.  I'm not accusing her of directly cheating or having "an emotional affair" but coming out of nowhere doesn't fly with me.

[himela]

8 hours ago, ams1001 said:

I think people misheard; I thought I heard sixteen, as well. 

Just went a'googling and he does say six.

https://ew.com/tv/see-this-is-us-kate-toby-disastrous-therapy-session/

I watched it with english subs and it read sixteen.

[peeayebee]

10 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

and chatting with Jack's teacher was just about the lamest excuse possible. 

Yup, that was bad. I'm assuming K&T had their counseling sessions once a week. How hard would it be for Kate to tell the teacher, "I'm sorry. I have an appointment. Can we talk tomorrow?"

[Cosmocrush]

13 hours ago, ams1001 said:

I think people misheard; I thought I heard sixteen, as well. 

Just went a'googling and he does say six.

https://ew.com/tv/see-this-is-us-kate-toby-disastrous-therapy-session/

Oh thank you!  Yeah, six months makes much more sense.  I totally misheard that number. 

[MissLucas]

9 hours ago, ams1001 said:

If she really thinks they're going to treat her kid badly if she doesn't chitchat, perhaps it's time to find a new school...

In San Francisco? 🤣

[ams1001]

39 minutes ago, MissLucas said:

In San Francisco? 🤣

lol, I almost added that. 😄

[Marley]

I finally watched this episode knowing I would hate it lol.

Kate is still horrible and I will never buy Philip wanting to be with her. Her personality is trash. I don’t like the actor playing Philip either. Philip and Kate have like negative chemistry. I still say they only put them together and did all this so they could have that everyone be shocked during last seasons finale. Stupid and it’s when I really started hating the show.

I didn’t even like Toby back in the day but I felt bad what they tried to do to his character. To me Kate is at fault. She sucks.

I’m glad Toby found happiness in the future. The scene with all 4 of them at Jacks performance should’ve been more nice to me but I just kept thinking about what a dumb pairing Kate and Philip are.

The new big 3 is a stupid thing. Seems like it might make others feel left out. Your kids don’t need a stupid title like that.

[Gemma Violet]

17 hours ago, chocolatine said:

It was six months at the one counseling session when Kate arrived late and Toby left early, but they kept going for a while after that. I thought sixteen months was when they had the disastrous dinner at which Kate told Toby she wanted a divorce.

Correct--they mentioned both "six months" and "sixteen months" at different times in the story.  I think some people missed one or the other, hence the confusion.  

[Crs97]

If I were Hailey I might be annoyed if I keep having to share a birthday party with the twins.

[CrystalBlue]

9 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

If I were Hailey I might be annoyed if I keep having to share a birthday party with the twins.

If I were Jack I might be annoyed that I'm separated by my sibling and two cousins not being a part of The Little Three or the New Big Three, and feel even more left out because I'm blind.

[PRgal]

16 minutes ago, CrystalBlue said:

If I were Jack I might be annoyed that I'm separated by my sibling and two cousins not being a part of The Little Three or the New Big Three, and feel even more left out because I'm blind.

He seems to have a good relationship with her as an adult, but who knows what happens between now and when he’s, like, 30 or however old he is when he is when he becomes a dad?

[statsgirl]

7 hours ago, peeayebee said:

Yup, that was bad. I'm assuming K&T had their counseling sessions once a week. How hard would it be for Kate to tell the teacher, "I'm sorry. I have an appointment. Can we talk tomorrow?"

It felt like she was using talking to the teacher to avoid getting to the therapy session. I think the term is passive-aggressive. Telling the therapist that the teacher asked her to get something for the class is 'see how important I am there'.

3 hours ago, Marley said:

The new big 3 is a stupid thing. Seems like it might make others feel left out. Your kids don’t need a stupid title like that.

I'm sure that the adults thought that it was cute. But to me it feels like them putting their expectations onto the next generation. Hopefully Madison and Elijah kept the twins from becoming co-dependent like their father.

[smartymarty]

I still don't understand how the divorce wasn't "the end of our story." Because they still had to cooperate in raising their kids? Because that is no big revelation. What more "story" happened between them?

[Pallas]

Their story continues in that they can and do become friends again -- people who like each other, trust each other and rely on each other -- and act as partners in raising two children. That's a relationship which, like the link between siblings, is unique. And becoming friends again, after what they went through and what they know, is indeed a story in itself.

[LexieLily]

3 hours ago, Pallas said:

Their story continues in that they can and do become friends again -- people who like each other, trust each other and rely on each other -- and act as partners in raising two children. That's a relationship which, like the link between siblings, is unique. And becoming friends again, after what they went through and what they know, is indeed a story in itself.

Do we know that, though - that they become friends again? We know they both remarried and they both were at Jack's show at the bar but that could mean they simply both want to be supportive in Jack's chosen career. It doesn't necessarily mean that Toby and Kate stayed friends or even friendly.

[chocolatine]

10 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Do we know that, though - that they become friends again? We know they both remarried and they both were at Jack's show at the bar but that could mean they simply both want to be supportive in Jack's chosen career. It doesn't necessarily mean that Toby and Kate stayed friends or even friendly.

I can believe friendly, but not friends. Friends means taking genuine interest in the other person, which Kate didn't even do during the marriage - she felt threatened every time Toby showed passion for anything beside her and the kids. (I don't buy that she's friends with Madison for the same reason. We never saw Kate ask Madison a single question about her life.)

I do think that they remained friendly, as in attending all of the kids' events together, maybe even celebrating holidays together so the kids wouldn't have to alternate between each parent. Those may have been better memories for the kids than when Kate and Toby were still married and constantly sniping at each other.

[Pallas]

We'll see. But to me, that was implied by the line itself, and how it came to be confirmed by Toby and in the flashforwards we saw. 

[bros402]

On 4/14/2022 at 8:31 PM, drafan said:

I have some kind of random vocal commentary on my TV for some shows, and I swear the voice said "Kate lumbers down the hall."

 

That voice thing is called audio description - it's a thing so the blind and visually impaired can watch TV. You can disable it on your TV if you look around in your menu for that.

[GeorgiaRai]

15 hours ago, smartymarty said:

I still don't understand how the divorce wasn't "the end of our story." Because they still had to cooperate in raising their kids? Because that is no big revelation. What more "story" happened between them?

Maybe she thought she was being compassionate by telling him she'd still be in his life, just in way different than what he'd hoped & worked for.  To me, it felt cold & dismissive; the vibe was "someday you'll be as over me as I am already over you!"  And sure, she ended up being right, but in that particular moment, I felt it was, at best, insensitive.

[CountryGirl]

10 hours ago, Pallas said:

We'll see. But to me, that was implied by the line itself, and how it came to be confirmed by Toby and in the flashforwards we saw. 

I agree with you, going by what we were shown on the show. 

Even in this flashforward with grown up Jack, the way Kate touches Toby's arm as she asks him about getting a drink. The shared look between them after they hug Jack, but even before that, the way Toby looks at her fondly before they share that look. There is still much affection and caring between them.

The way Kate tears up on her wedding day, taking in the incredible gift of Toby's phone call. 

I also didn't see her words to him on the day of their divorce as cruel or insensitive, but merely pointing out the fact that no matter where their lives would take them from there, they would always be in each other's lives, as parents to their two beautiful children, although no longer as lovers/married couple. Toby wasn't ready to be on that page as he had been asking her to reconsider the divorce two days prior because he didn't want to start over or be alone or have his time with the kids be short-changed, but very telling, he did not mention still being in love with her, specifically, that told me he was "done," too, even if he wasn't wanting to let go of the life they had together at that emotional moment in time. 

I find it refreshing to see how they have handled the aftermath of the divorce. Of two people coming together for their children and the affection they still bear the other vs the more common portrayal of exes who cannot even bear to be in the same room together. 

 

[gonzosgirrl]

3 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

I find it refreshing to see how they have handled the aftermath of the divorce. Of two people coming together for their children and the affection they still bear the other vs the more common portrayal of exes who cannot even bear to be in the same room together. 

And yet it is still crystal clear to me that all of these things happened because Toby acquiesced to her needs and wants. There is zero indication to me that Kate compromised or, heaven forbid, gave in, on anything, ever.

[cardigirl]

39 minutes ago, GeorgiaRai said:

Maybe she thought she was being compassionate by telling him she'd still be in his life, just in way different than what he'd hoped & worked for.  To me, it felt cold & dismissive; the vibe was "someday you'll be as over me as I am already over you!"  And sure, she ended up being right, but in that particular moment, I felt it was, at best, insensitive.

When my ex decided he was done (nine months after telling me he didn't think we should be married anymore, the longest nine months of my life), he said something similar to me. I was, understandably, upset and said I would be very sad not to see or talk to him every day. (I know, I was pathetic at that point.) He said, "I'm not going far, I'll just be in the city." (Ten miles away.) I told him, "First we'll talk on the phone every other day and see each other at the kids' birthdays, then it'll be once a month, and then it will be nothing."

He assured me we would be in each other's lives (story).

But I was right. Our lives are separate, as they have to be. 

So I agree, I don't think Kate's "You'll see!" was all that comforting to Toby. It sure didn't work for me. 

 

 

[cardigirl]

13 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

I find it refreshing to see how they have handled the aftermath of the divorce. Of two people coming together for their children and the affection they still bear the other vs the more common portrayal of exes who cannot even bear to be in the same room together. 

 

I agree with you about the refreshing portrayal of divorce. It's the best you can hope for, especially for the kids' sake. 

[smartymarty]

1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

I find it refreshing to see how they have handled the aftermath of the divorce. Of two people coming together for their children and the affection they still bear the other vs the more common portrayal of exes who cannot even bear to be in the same room together.

So affectionate that Toby was NOT at Kate's wedding? Because that's when he acknowledges that their story is not over.

I still find it an odd statement. "We'll always have the kids, Toby, and I hope that we'll always be friends," would have been much clearer. "Our story is not over" sounds like something contrived by the writers to get viewers wondering whether they get back together or something.

[ProudMary]

4 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

I agree with you, going by what we were shown on the show. 

Even in this flashforward with grown up Jack, the way Kate touches Toby's arm as she asks him about getting a drink. The shared look between them after they hug Jack, but even before that, the way Toby looks at her fondly before they share that look. There is still much affection and caring between them.

The way Kate tears up on her wedding day, taking in the incredible gift of Toby's phone call. 

I also didn't see her words to him on the day of their divorce as cruel or insensitive, but merely pointing out the fact that no matter where their lives would take them from there, they would always be in each other's lives, as parents to their two beautiful children, although no longer as lovers/married couple. Toby wasn't ready to be on that page as he had been asking her to reconsider the divorce two days prior because he didn't want to start over or be alone or have his time with the kids be short-changed, but very telling, he did not mention still being in love with her, specifically, that told me he was "done," too, even if he wasn't wanting to let go of the life they had together at that emotional moment in time. 

I find it refreshing to see how they have handled the aftermath of the divorce. Of two people coming together for their children and the affection they still bear the other vs the more common portrayal of exes who cannot even bear to be in the same room together. 

But that clip from the end of the episode doesn't show the eye-rolling look on Kate's face at the beginning of the episode when she first picks up her phone and sees that it's Toby, visually implying, "Why the hell is he calling me on my wedding day?" She's mentally deciding whether she's even going to bother taking the call. 

We were shown two different things on the show. That's what editing can do.

[CountryGirl]

I saw Kate caught off-guard initially (which I don't find surprising as I think many about to marry another would be surprised to hear from an ex on their wedding day). I didn't see her roll her eyes or act upset, more surprised and curious and maybe a shade wary, given the timing, but she took the call and I see nothing unreasonable or offensive here. 

Even if she had made a face or scoffed or whatever, I'm not going to get hung up on a single moment in the face of all of the other moments that occurred in the episode, which showed the two co-parenting and getting along and showing some genuine caring for the other person.

I also think about how the conversation ended with Kate in tears, clearly moved by Toby's words and nothing like the "I was right" smug entitlement it was assumed she would show.

It's like the scene where Toby tells Kate he is taking the job in Los Angeles and so much was made of Kate saying "okay" and how that was just awful, which I didn't see as negative whatsoever, just a taking-it-in stance (which again, not surprising given he had been so adamant about her moving to SF and I don't think she anticipated him changing course).

But if one wants to read negativity into it, then that is their prerogative. Yet I saw very little mention of what else happens in that conversation as one would think Kate's "okay" was the end of the conversation, but it wasn't, as then Kate expresses the obvious need for them to go to counseling, which Toby had been against in the past, and when he indicates he will go and says "whatever it takes," she echoes his words and is the first to reach for his hand. 

It's clear no matter what Kate does or doesn't do, many will never see any positive from Kate, which that is one's right. I have had moments where I haven't liked her, just as I have had similar moments with most, if not all, of the adult TIU characters. But I am one of the few who still has moments where I like and appreciate Kate and I saw a lot of nice moments from her in the last episode and I love that for Kate and for Toby and most especially for the kids.

I think many are upset, feeling Kate got her happy ending and if I disliked Kate, perhaps I would feel the same, but I don't dislike her and am not going to change my stance on that nor do I expect to change minds at this late stage.

As I said in a previous post, my position is abundantly clear LOL. In short, I just want to enjoy what is left of a show I will certainly miss and cease with debating what has been rehashed ad nauseum at this point.

[gonzosgirrl]

I still want someone to tell me one thing that Kate did to 'try' and save their marriage. One compromise. One concession. Even one kind, complimentary word about him giving up his job, or trying so hard to be a good dad, never mind a 'thank you'.

Edited April 18, 2022 by gonzosgirrl

[Conotocarious]

On 4/14/2022 at 12:03 AM, hoosiergirl said:

You guys…I laughed so hard. The wife was blind. And infertile. And killed by a drunk driver on the very day she left Philip. LOLOLOLOL. 

Philip clearly had a personality transplant since the last episode he was in. The dating scenes were laughable. And it’s not because Kate’s fat and he’s moderately okay-looking. It was like he was some neutered wimp who had undergone a lobotomy. I got interested when he snapped at Kate that his life was messy. But then I laughed at his dumb back story. 
 

 

I’m no longer watching this show because I can’t deal with the constant maudlin storylines but this scene popped up on my YouTube and I watched it and I burst out laughing too. She’s blind, infertile,  gets hit by a drunk driver 10 seconds after leaving her husband forever. And he didn’t say goodbye?

This show has a real problem with trying so hard to make people cry. It’s supposed to be something that happens a lot more naturally than this. This is ridiculous and has been for a while now. I only follow the story through the forums because I did watch for several years and want to know how they end this miserable narcissistic family’s story. I don’t even know why anymore.