S05.E05: Look Who's Squawking

[OnceSane]

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Monique invites everyone to her lake house for a weekend retreat, but the ladies are not prepared for her additional guest. Karen expresses her dislike for Wendy's obsession with her sex life, meanwhile Gizelle and Candiace's friendship takes a surprising turn. Ashley decides to bring baby Dean along for the festivities, but Wendy's strong opinions on her decision leaves the women stunned.

Airs August 30, 2020.

[dosodog]

A baby and a bird on a girl's trip.

Oh boy!  This is not going to end well.

[Legalbeagle421]

Okay, shut it, Wendy. You're annoying. I think it's kind of weird that the baby's there too. But she's doing too much and being mean. 

[Bronzedog]

I’m back the same loser I was last week with two piddly degrees.  As such, I was delighted to see the bird is not a fan of higher education and went straight for Wendy’s face.

 

[Kerrey92]

How does Wendy think this is going to elevate her career as a talking head on MSNBC?  She pretty much shamed Ashely for being beneath her?  Not having much of a leg to stand on in commenting on political issues.  
 

[Keywestclubkid]

Michele pawning off the baby so he wouldn’t have to be alone with it was predictable and sad not giving Ashlee any time for herself and making her feel like it’s harming the child for her to be away from it.. he’s gross 

[LibertarianSlut]

I kind of enjoyed Candiace’s impression of Gizelle.  There’s also that canon in law that truth is a full defense to defamation, which is what comes to mind when I think about the Gizelle ‘monster’ comment.  Same with Karen and Ray having sex.

Michael does not want that baby.  Nor does he seem to want Ashley around very much. 

“I just hope Gizelle’s fashion sense don’t rub off on Monique.”  Karen FTW this episode.  The top abs were a cute look too.  WTF with Gizelle’s black dress with white pearls??  Quite possibly the worst outfit I’ve seen in weeks.  Dress for the body you have, not the one you want.  

Gizelle’s pores looked huge on that book cover.  Another strike against her makeup line.  No comment on the excerpt from the book.

Not a huge fan of Monique’s lake house’s interior.  It looks 20 years out of date.  I’m sure Karen feels comfortable there.  

Robyn’s hair looked so good!  The Ramen Noodles are finally gone.  Robyn got off another funny one-liner when she said sometimes she forgot her second kid’s name.  This is the Robyn I feel like I could really start to like.  

I’m not super amused about an episode that seemed about 25% devoted to one bird.  If they don’t have enough material to fill a typical 20 episode season, they should scale back to 15 episodes or less.  Keep the people wanting more.  

I noticed a pattern on this show:  they save the drama for the very, very end, at like the 50+ minute mark.  This makes the franchise seem more content-rich than it is, because they preview and flash back to that scene multiple times.  It’s kind of a vapid franchise, despite the edit.  I find myself constantly checking the clock to see when it’s going to be over.  This episode was better in that the Wendy-Ashley drama, which was the first interesting moment for me, started around 40 minutes in.  Then it dropped off again.  Like anyone gives a shit about the cell service at the cabin.  Really?

Candiace may or may not be invited to Gizelle’s sham wedding.  I’m on the edge of my seat.  

The deep conversation exercise was gold.  

Candiace, your denial that wasn’t quite a denial about getting your nose done—no one was buying it.  Who gives a shit?  Cosmetic surgery is not something to be embarrassed about IMO.  Sometimes not having it is embarrassing...

OMG, Karen bringing up Jamal having babies with other women right to Gizelle’s face was perfection I needed for the week.  

I think Wendy, with all of her degrees, should realize that if she said something “out of stress,” that is pretty much an admission that what was said was inappropriate.  So why not just apologize?  It costs nothing and it literally takes two seconds.

This show previewed Michael’s potential cheating last week for this week, and then they just previewed it again for next week.  That’s like last season, when they showed Monique going into labor (which turned out to be fake) for weeks.  This is such a weak statement from production about their confidence in their ability to deliver an episode.  I also find it borderline unethical.  

I love “gone with the Wendy.”  Twirl on that.  

[Bronzedog]

Although I hate to admit it, I wouldn’t be too thrilled to have a baby on a girl’s trip whether I had a baby at home or not.

[Kiki777]

I have never laughed so much at a Real Housewives episode in a while.  It was nice considering all the toxicity of RHOBH and RHONY.  Can t’Challa make an appearance on the other shows to squawk and dive-bomb when he sees fit?

Dorinda bullies someone-

SQUAWK!  *flaflapflap*

Lisa Rinna gaslights- 

SQUAWK!  *flaflapflap*

Kyle does her fake-ass mouth-open surprise face-

SQUAWK!  *flaflapflap*

He is my new favorite cast member.

[truthaboutluv]

2 hours ago, Legalbeagle421 said:

Okay, shut it, Wendy. You're annoying. I think it's kind of weird that the baby's there too. But she's doing too much and being mean. 

Yeah that was the definition of doing too much in my opinion. Girlfriend went from zero to sixty out of nowhere. You could tell the other women were genuinely like, "the fuck"? 

And I kind of agreed with Gizelle and Robin in saying that Wendy has a new child, versus being a new mother, because this is her third kid. And that it is a bit different for someone experiencing being a new mom, like Ashley is. I also liked how you could definitely tell Robin is a mom in the way she turned to cradle the baby away from all the yelling and then left with him. 

Listen, I don't have kids and don't want them. But I cannot imagine being this pressed about someone else bringing their baby on a trip. Monique even told Wendy that had she let her know she wanted to bring her baby, she'd have found a way to accommodate her but she didn't say anything, while Ashley did. 

I also remember that Wendy was the one to proudly declare that she was "whatever" and over that whole missing her baby deal, since it was her third, at the dinner for Ashley. And this was in response to Ashley's saying how hard it was to leave the house and leave the baby. But now Wendy's so upset at Ashley's bringing her baby and her not being able to. 

Honestly, I'm sorry, that whole mess just felt way unnecessarily extra to me and I couldn't help feeling like maybe Wendy was trying to create a storyline because she doesn't really have one. Especially since Karen refuses to acknowledge her, according to her.

Edited August 31, 2020 by truthaboutluv

[LaurelleJ]

Love how they threw shade at Monique's secondary home. I thought the house was cute, and I know she went through hell moving things around to accommodate the girls/production. A guest house for her vacation house. They could only hope. 

Laughed all night about Gizelle having to go to not one, but TWO of Monique's 4 homes. I know going to Monique's Potomac home just grated her nerves. I believe that Robyn and Ashley were the only two who went to Monique's lake house for the birthday party season 2. 

They really pushed the Ashley/Wendy fight, it was not that deep. Karen and Wendy are really trying to have a fresh beef. 

I can't decide if T'challa or Karen is the MVP for tonight's episode. They both had me rolling. 

[Suck It Trebek]

I could watch T’Challa fly at Wendy and her reaction to it on a loop. 

And the editors, after Wendy left Monique’s bedroom before dinner, put in T’Challa’s  
squawk with closed captioning, “She crazy.” 
 

Hilarious!

[Kerrey92]

Wendy should be bummed that Ashley brought her baby on the trip because now there is a baby there.  Her beef shouldn’t be that there aren’t TWO babies on the trip.  
 

She should be looking at Ashley and thanking her lucky stars she gets a break from that and then sleep in until 10:00 am!!  

Edited August 31, 2020 by Kerrey92

[Rahul]

I'm not feeling Dr. Wendy at all. First of all, on a franchise where the women are absolutely stunning (Karen less so, but she more than makes up for it with her quick wit, delusions of grandeur and comedic virtue) my eyes are assailed with this horrific sight every so often and it's absolutely jarring:

Wendy may have a doctorate, but I haven't found her to be particularly clever, articulate or thoughtful in any capacity. In fact, her news commentary was embarrassingly insipid. Ashley may not have a PhD but she is well read, well spoken and ostensibly more intelligent than Wendy as well. Osefo's arrogance about her academic achievements is very unbecoming. Moreover, I'm bothered by her poor diction and two inch nails, which I've never seen on a working professional woman. Much like Candiace, I feel Wendy drags this franchise down with her quick escalation to anger (ie. likely to grab screen time) and ratchetness. 

Thus, it may come as no surprise that the highlight of this episode was T'Challa making a beeline for Wendy and her subsequent freakout. Much like baby Dean Darby in the prior episode, that animal sensed bad juju and wasn't having it!

I understand Bravo probably cast Wendy to be an antagonistic foil to the other ladies much like Candiass, but I prefer the show with less cat fighting and intense conflict. I was really happy to see Robyn and Gizelle come to Ashley's defense; I think those three have forged a true friendship over the years and it's lovely to see.

[ButterQueen]

I do not like Wendy at all.  Monique told her that she could have brought her baby if she had just asked.

I love Monique’s cabin house.  It’s lovely and she is a great hostess.

I hate Michael.  He let Ashley know he wasn’t watching the baby for a second.

I love Monique, and Chris.  I hope she stays on the show.  Candiace and Wendy are mean girls and Karen offers nothing.

[drivethroo]

Wendy should've gotten mad at Monique for not extending an invitation to her baby after letting Ashley bring her baby, especially since Wendy's baby and Ashley's baby are the same age.  She was doing way too much popping off and finger pointing at Ashley.

However, Ashley likes to throw kerosene on a fire, then act surprised when the flames explode. When Ashley said "you're just mad because you chose to be away from your child," that was a mommy judgment on Wendy, that was a very low blow.  When Ashley says "That's why you don't have any female friends," that was a low blow; she doesn't know Wendy like that*.

All of them would've had a rough time getting to Newberg because it literally is in the middle of nowhere.  The only way to get to it is Route 301 and Route 301 from the DC area to the Newberg area is a bunch of stop and go through towns/areas.  The stop and go lessens the closer you get to Newberg.  If you want peace & tranquility, that would be the place for it.

As Monique said, Wendy doesn't know the group and they don't know her.  Wendy is coming into the group as Candiace's friend, seeing Candiace and Ashley having social media wars and then seeing Ashley throwing low blows on her and wondering what is so special and fragile about Ashley that she has all these defenders when she's giving as good as she's getting.

I think what's not being explicitly said on the show is Gizelle, Robyn & Monique know how badly Ashley is going through PPD**, while Wendy & Candiace don't.  This is why Wendy & Candiace don't understand why everyone has to be tender tip toes around Ashley and why the Apology Police are coming for them on Ashley's behalf.  Wendy absolutely should apologize to Ashley but she doubled down on not giving Ashley an apology because she saw the group coming down on Candiace.  I think if Wendy*** had taken her frustrations out on anyone else in the group (including Karen), she would apologize to them.  She just doesn't want them ganging up on her to force an apology like she saw them ganging up on Candiace.

*Just as Ashley doesn't know Wendy like that to be making mommy judgments or why Wendy doesn't have female friends, Wendy doesn't know Ashley like that and doesn't know Karen like that to be making judgments on Karen's sex life.  I'm glad Karen got her together.

**Wendy could also be suffering from PPD, just because this is her third child (who was premature) doesn't mean that she's ok.

***Wendy gives me Rebbie Jackson Centipede teas in her confessionals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NYCFree]

It may be because my bar has been set so low by Beverly Hills endlessly rehashing the same drama, but this was a very entertaining hour of tv for me (minus the “can you hear me now?” segment). 

T’Challa certainly had Wendy’s number. I also have a Master’s Degree (although not two like Wendy) as well as a doctoral degree and I have never, not once, ever insisted anyone address me as Dr. Firstname. I recognize that I have some more intelligent friends than myself, with fewer degrees, so Wendy can really just go fuck off with the elitism.

Candiace didn’t deny having a nose job in the footage we saw, did she? I kept hearing a lot of questions from her “when did I have a nose job? I had a nose job?” Etc.

[truthaboutluv]

1 minute ago, NYCFree said:

Candiace didn’t deny having a nose job in the footage we saw, did she? I kept hearing a lot of questions from her “when did I have a nose job? I had a nose job?” Etc.

That moment was hilarious, for nothing else but Gizelle's patented "innocent" face of confusion. Gizelle going, "wait, isn't this something that everyone knew and is common knowledge" while acting like she was completely baffled by Candiace's reaction to the question was perfection.

[Quita]

It's been awhile since I've posted on the Potomac forum but I had to chime in with my dislike of Wendy. She's so outspoken regarding her degrees and Karen's sex life, why couldn't she just open her mouth to Monique and ask to bring her daughter. Wendy not bringing her baby isn't Ashley's fault.

I can't believe this person is the same Wendy we see on the show. They look like two different people!

Also, poor Ashley. Michael couldn't get rid of her and baby Dean fast enough.

[biakbiak]

I could watch T’Challa go after Wendy on a continuous loop. The bird knows what’s up.

[jmcd44]

I literally lol’d at the bird scene. From the slo-mo to the women huddled in the corner & Candiace clutching that plastic fork to Robyn crouching on the ground, it was *chef’s kiss. I hate birds too.

Newberg is in a more rural area but it’s not in the middle of nowhere-I used to drive to college that way when I wanted to avoid 95 twenty years ago & you can probably hear traffic from the 301 highway from her house-it was bad congestion that long ago. I have coworkers who drive into DC from that area. And I don’t see Robyn or Gizelle providing us vacation home porn.

But I really enjoyed Robyn last night-her kids are funny & seem to love the cameras. And her casualness of forgetting the younger one’s name & her holding Dean in the background was cute. I am childfree by choice but I still like children & love babies so I would’ve been holding him too (until a tantrum). Aunt jmcd only does so much.

Karen had me rolling with her facial expressions & her criticizing Gizelle’s outfits-she is right. Gizelle is stunning but can’t dress worth shit. I think Karen looks good this season-truly the most beautiful franchise IMO.

A really enjoyable episode-even if I couldn’t follow what was happening with the fight the whole time. 

[LaurelleJ]

8 hours ago, Rahul said:

I understand Bravo probably cast Wendy to be an antagonistic foil to the other ladies much like Candiass, but I prefer the show with less cat fighting and intense conflict.

I always feel like I'm in the minority with this, but I'm ok with not seeing the girls fighting every single second. I prefer to see a group of women getting along and having fun. 

7 hours ago, drivethroo said:

I think what's not being explicitly said on the show is Gizelle, Robyn & Monique know how badly Ashley is going through PPD**, while Wendy & Candiace don't.  This is why Wendy & Candiace don't understand why everyone has to be tender tip toes around Ashley and why the Apology Police are coming for them on Ashley's behalf.  Wendy absolutely should apologize to Ashley but she doubled down on not giving Ashley an apology because she saw the group coming down on Candiace.  I think if Wendy*** had taken her frustrations out on anyone else in the group (including Karen), she would apologize to them.  She just doesn't want them ganging up on her to force an apology like she saw them ganging up on Candiace.

I agree with this. Another situation in which the producers have used this discrepancy to drum up drama. It's not even a realistic situation though, I'm sure that the baby situation was addressed long before they went on this trip. Forced drama again. 

7 hours ago, NYCFree said:

T’Challa certainly had Wendy’s number. I also have a Master’s Degree (although not two like Wendy) as well as a doctoral degree and I have never, not once, ever insisted anyone address me as Dr. Firstname. I recognize that I have some more intelligent friends than myself, with fewer degrees, so Wendy can really just go fuck off with the elitism.

My weekly announcement a la Wendy that I have a doctoral degree as well. You jokingly tell people to only refer to you as Dr. when you first finish, but not seriously. It is an easy go-to in an argument though. No doubt she was told to keep bringing this up. It's a great thing to have a highly educated black woman on the serious, but not if she's going to alienate herself and viewers by constantly suggesting that she is on another level because she has degrees that they don't. I'm super proud of my degree and I know how hard it is to earn the degree, but it does not make more intelligent than people who do not have one, and I don't believe in throwing it in other peoples' face in an argument. 

[For Cereals]

I’m done with Wendy and her hairline.  It is like having two Candiaces on the show.  That’s two too many.  I don’t know what Karen’s issue is with Wendy, but it’s entertaining for now to watch how upsetting it is for Wendy to have Karen not acknowledge her.

[BloggerAloud]

Everything to do with Wendy seemed so wild. Like at Ashley's dinner a few episodes ago, she went out of her way to be all "Look at me, I have no problem leaving my child for a night out" which is fine and within her rights. But then to pivot to I'M A NEW MOM TOO AND I WANT MY BABY HERE was weird. Like if it was a thing, she obviously she could've asked. Monique isn't going to go out of her way to make concessions for a woman, based on the timeline of the show, she has known for a month. I bet you anything that in Wendy's outside the show life, she is treated very differently and being on the show and being new, she has found herself at a lower rung of the ladder than she is accustomed to.

[sATL]

9 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

I do not like Wendy at all.  Monique told her that she could have brought her baby if she had just asked.

 

And that should have been the end of it. She's more mad that she didn't ask, or no one asked her. Live with the decision you made w/o discussing it with the host first.

If Wendy wanted her daughter there that much and truely felt left out, she  could have just called her husband/nanny/granny or whomever has the baby to meet her half-way  or come all the way with the baby . 

Wendy was in the wrong group of women to feel some kind of sympathy about hearing all what she went trough to get there. First of all , if it was that much of a hassle, either personally or professionally, she  could have said "no".  Secondly -Gizelle/Robyn have teens/tweens,  Karen has grown kids and the Candance doesn't have children. Only so much understanding they are in a position to give, let alone hear.

Wendy should have just pulled Monique aside and talked to her - she too left behind an infant and she was the host.

Edited August 31, 2020 by sATL

[goofygirl]

Wendy's gonna be on an even lower rung after her reaction to T'Challa!  And I vote  BIRDBRAIN for the WIN!  That bird really has DOCTOR Wendy's number, doesn't he??

[sATL]

Ok..this quick little snippet...

Just how often does a bird piss and poop? We heard more about the T'Challa's personal bio functions than the baby.

Is this end goal - bird flies to hopefully to a toilet where hopefully the lid is up, to relieve himself?

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by sATL

[Pop Tart]

7 hours ago, Quita said:

It's been awhile since I've posted on the Potomac forum but I had to chime in with my dislike of Wendy. She's so outspoken regarding her degrees and Karen's sex life, why couldn't she just open her mouth to Monique and ask to bring her daughter. Wendy not bringing her baby isn't Ashley's fault.

I actually think that Ashley had it pegged. Wendy had been glad to leave the baby behind and enjoy a bit of child-free freedom (which is totally valid) but when Ashley came with the baby because she couldn't leave him behind Wendy felt attacked and got defensive. Wendy seems to be pretty insecure and needs to be validated constantly. She wasn't attacked, not verbally or physically, of course, but to her mind it made her decision to leave the baby home look wrong. That the other moms would be judging her for that choice. None of that was actually happening but her very thin skin about her own choices made her have to attack Ashley for bringing the baby. And also make sure everyone knew just what she went through to leave the baby behind. 

I don't like her but Karen plays the reality game so well. When it got to be her turn to answer a deep question at the dinner she turned it around to ask Wendy about her behavior and comments. The other ladies revealed things (some of them gross) and at least pretended to answer a deep question and Karen skated by.

I missed the beginning of the episode, was there a reason Monique brought the bird with her? I'm guessing because her husband wouldn't care for it? But it seemed like a pretty stressful thing to do to the bird to take it on a car trip and then have it be in a houseful of screaming women? Oh and to my eye it looked like T'Challa was trying to fly to Wendy to land on her arm like he does Monique - not attack her (though she is certainly attack-worthy).

 

[drivethroo]

29 minutes ago, Pop Tart said:

but when Ashley came with the baby because she couldn't leave him behind Wendy felt attacked and got defensive.

And part of that is because Ashley attacked Wendy by saying "You chose to leave your baby behind."  Wendy (being new) likely didn't know that she could ask Monique to bring her baby and Wendy wasn't leaving the baby for a night, she was leaving her for several nights.  Why would Wendy ask to bring her baby when Monique didn't bring HER baby?

Also Ashley didn't want to bring the baby but Michael manipulated her into bringing the baby by claiming baby Dean needed his mother at all times at such a tender age and couldn't be apart from her.

I would guess a good chunk of Ashley's depression is because Michael really isn't that supportive with the baby.

29 minutes ago, Pop Tart said:

 She wasn't attacked, not verbally or physically, of course, but to her mind it made her decision to leave the baby home look wrong. That the other moms would be judging her for that choice. None of that was actually happening but her very thin skin about her own choices made her have to attack Ashley for bringing the baby.

Actually Wendy WAS judged by Ashley for leaving her baby behind and the other mothers invalidated Wendy's feelings by saying she wasn't a new mom so get over it.

Wendy's ire should have been with Monique because Monique, knowing Wendy's baby and Ashley's baby are the same age, should've asked Wendy since Ashley was bringing her baby, if she'd like to bring her baby too.  Wendy being new to the group wouldn't have known she could ask Monique to bring the baby on a "girl's trip" (especially since Monique didn't bring HER baby).  But again, I think Gizelle/Robyn/Monique know how badly Ashley is suffering, whereas Wendy/Candiace don't.  Wendy is coming into the situation with a bias against Ashley (fed by Candiace) and then she's seeing for herself that Ashley gives as good as she gets and cannot understand why everyone's protecting delicate Ashley when she's out here lobbing bombs herself.

Ashley loves to put foil in the microwave, then wonder how and why the microwave exploded.  She's done it with every cast member except Gizelle.

I think Wendy SHOULD apologize to Ashley because she should've never gotten angry with Ashley.  But Wendy is not going to apologize to Ashley after Ashley implied Wendy is a bad mom.

Edited August 31, 2020 by drivethroo

[dosodog]

I'm on an island alone over here.....wait no I'm not!  Hello drivethroo!

Wendy overreacted and so did Ashley.  They both need to apologize.  Ashley's response reminded me when she went HARD for the lovely girl, with the bad wig, in the Cayman Islands, who EVERYBODY including Ashley, knew, had mental health problems.  But that didn't matter to her.

When I'm invited on a girl's trip, it doesn't occur to me to bring babies or pets.  And if it does, I don't call the hostess and ask to bring them--I just politely decline.  Once the hostess, Monique, said yes, I think she should have extended the same invitation to the other mom of the other baby who is Dean's age.  First, second or third baby--still a newbie, just like Dean.

T'Challa.  In non tv life, that was not funny.  I get it, it was Wendy.  But as a previous bird owner, that is not okay.  Its the equivalent of your dog coming at someone in your house.  Monique and T'Challa are very lucky Wendy didn't inadvertently hurt the bird with her flailing arms.  Or that T'Challa didnt fly out the OPEN front door-- you only need a second for that to happen. 

And no one is comfortable around the bird.  No one!  Why do that to the bird and your guests?

Also, neither Michael wanted the new responsibility in their life, Dean or T'Challa.  It's so obvious through the tv screen.

 

[truthaboutluv]

1 hour ago, BloggerAloud said:

Like at Ashley's dinner a few episodes ago, she went out of her way to be all "Look at me, I have no problem leaving my child for a night out" which is fine and within her rights. But then to pivot to I'M A NEW MOM TOO AND I WANT MY BABY HERE was weird.

This exactly, which I referenced above. Yes, three days is different than going out for a few hours for dinner. But Wendy didn't just claim to be fine leaving her newborn to go out to dinner, she was very vocal along with the other mothers like Robyn and Gizelle about "oh you get over that by the second and third kid".

I think she even joked about leaving the baby on the side of the road. All meant to drive the point that yeah, a first time mom is something different than someone who has multiple children, who by that point, isn't as anxious and emotional about everything. So yeah, to have this same woman then turn around and act like her world was falling apart because Ashley brought her baby to a girl's trip and she didn't, was ridiculous and seemed way over the top and drama for drama's sake, IMO. 

 

47 minutes ago, Pop Tart said:

I actually think that Ashley had it pegged. Wendy had been glad to leave the baby behind and enjoy a bit of child-free freedom (which is totally valid) but when Ashley came with the baby because she couldn't leave him behind Wendy felt attacked and got defensive.

This exactly and why I agreed with Ashley accusing Wendy of projecting her shit onto her. Because that is what she was doing. And to be fair, Wendy sort of admitted this later when she more or less confirmed that she had all her frustrations pre-arriving and essentially passed some of that onto Ashley. Which by the way, is what made her refusal to apologize for the crazed way she came at Ashley, bullshit. Ashley was right - Wendy was ferocious in her approach. And her "I was passionate" defense was bullshit. That's just playing semantics. 

 

25 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

And part of that is because Ashley attacked Wendy by saying "You chose to leave your baby behind." 

YMMV but I didn't see Ashley attacking Wendy but defending herself against Wendy's unfair attack and pointing out the very real fact that "hey, you chose to leave your baby behind, so don't come at me like a crazed and angry person because I didn't". I didn't see that as judgement from Ashley about Wendy's not bringing her baby, since again Monique didn't bring Chase.

But more so a "hey, you made your choice and I made mine, so don't come at me now because you're upset about your choice". And even if there was judgement from her, I think it's more than fair to say she was responding to feeling attacked first. Yeah you come at someone as aggressively as Wendy did, seemingly out of nowhere, they'll fight back and bring out the sharp tongue too. 

 

25 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

Actually Wendy WAS judged by Ashley for leaving her baby behind and the other mothers invalidated Wendy's feelings by saying she wasn't a new mom so get over it.

The other mothers probably said nothing because once again, they realized that Ashley only responded to an attack on her. Ashley came in with no drama with anyone. Even when Wendy first started going on about not knowing they could bring babies, Ashley still tried to smile and politely explain why she brought Dean. Wendy took shit from zero to sixty very fast.  So again, you come at someone like an angry bull, they're going to come back at you the same. And again, YMMV I didn't feel Ashley was judging Wendy's choice so much as she was one, defending her choice and two, simply stating that it wasn't fair for Wendy to project her issues and feelings about the choice she made onto her. Because that is what Wendy was doing, IMO.

 

26 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

Wendy's ire should have been with Monique because Monique, knowing Wendy's baby and Ashley's baby are the same age, should've asked Wendy since Ashley was bringing her baby, if she'd like to bring her baby too. 

But again, one, Monique doesn't know Wendy that well and two, on a previous occasion, when discussing children, Wendy was very vocal about getting over that whole mommy attachment thing by the time you have multiple children. So maybe Monique, having a young baby herself (though yes, not three months) and three children like Wendy but being fine to leave Chase for a few days, assumed Wendy was as well. 

[StillHere]

Half these heffas are in rentals or fixer-uppers, yet some of them (See: Gizzard) got the nerve to complain about cell service and being in the middle of nowhere. We see y'all.

[Neurochick]

I still believe that Wendy is one of those West Africans who feel they are above Black Americans because they have no idea what Black Americans have been through in the USA. 

That said, I think Wendy might have watched RHOA and I don't think that either Kenya or Porsha brought their babies on the obligatory "girls trip."  So Wendy might have assumed that babies were a no no and didn't bother to ask Monique if she could bring her daughter.

[TexasGal]

9 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

This exactly, which I referenced above. Yes, three days is different than going out for a few hours for dinner. But Wendy didn't just claim to be fine leaving her newborn to go out to dinner, she was very vocal along with the other mothers like Robyn and Gizelle about "oh you get over that by the second and third kid".

I think she even joked about leaving the baby on the side of the road. All meant to drive the point that yeah, a first time mom is something different than someone who has multiple children, who by that point, isn't as anxious and emotional about everything. So yeah, to have this same woman then turn around and act like her world was falling apart because Ashley brought her baby to a girl's trip and she didn't, was ridiculous and seemed way over the top and drama for drama's sake, IMO. 

This is what stood out to me too.  To then act like she had no idea what point Gizelle and Robyn were making about Ashley being a first time mom so it was different was aggravating.

I liked the shot of Robyn covering Dean's ears and hustling him out of the room during the yelling.

[biakbiak]

9 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I don't think that either Kenya or Porsha brought their babies on the obligatory "girls trip."  So Wendy might have assumed that babies were a no no and didn't bother to ask Monique if she could bring her daughter.

They both brought their babies to Greece, though they stayed in a different hotel but Ashley’s friend was apparently going to be just hanging in the room with Dean so Ashley could be “focused” on the women.

Edited August 31, 2020 by biakbiak

[drivethroo]

54 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

And again, YMMV I didn't feel Ashley was judging Wendy's choice so much as she was one, defending her choice and two, simply stating that it wasn't fair for Wendy to project her issues and feelings about the choice she made onto her. Because that is what Wendy was doing, IMO.

Wendy should not have gone off on Ashley but Ashley absolutely was judging Wendy to be a bad mom for not bringing her baby ... she reiterated it with the baby/nanny-friend when she said in the other room "She's just mad because she didn't want to bring her baby."  How do you know that Wendy "didn't want" to bring the baby?  If Wendy didn't want to bring her baby, she wouldn't have been making a fuss.

Ashley, Candiace and Wendy all have the same personality; someone will paper cut them, and they will come back at that person with a bazooka.  And then express shock and surprise at the destruction they caused. This is why Wendy won't be apologizing to Ashley anytime soon and vice versa.

They all know who not to try it with, too.  We've never seen Ashley or Candiace keep that same "drag 'em" energy with Gizelle and Wendy sat down and was quiet when Karen got her together at the table.

It was not fair for Wendy to take out her frustrations on Ashley.  But it wasn't fair for Ashley to be poking fires with all the cast members either and I have a feeling that if the situations were reversed and Wendy brought her baby but Ashley left Dean behind and Ashley took out her frustrations on Wendy, that the same crew demanding Wendy apologize to Ashley would be defending Ashley's outburst on Wendy.

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I still believe that Wendy is one of those West Africans who feel they are above Black Americans because they have no idea what Black Americans have been through in the USA. 

I would need to know more about Wendy before I personally could make that judgment.  I don't see any evidence of that right now.  Wendy may have been picked on by Black Americans because she is African and now she has a defense complex; we don't know that right now.  I just think the "4 degrees" thing is what she's being told to push by the producers, much like the cast kept talking about "etiquette" in Season 1.

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[Keywestclubkid]

I was shocked Candace apologized .....

[truthaboutluv]

4 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

But it wasn't fair for Ashley to be poking fires with all the cast members either

And she was judged accordingly by many for those actions, and still being judged by some viewers actually, just like Wendy is being judged for her actions in this week's episode.

 

4 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

and I have a feeling that if the situations were reversed and Wendy brought her baby but Ashley left Dean behind and Ashley took out her frustrations on Wendy, that the same crew demanding Wendy apologize to Ashley would be defending Ashley's outburst on Wendy.

One, I thought the women all seemed willing to accept and were understanding of Wendy's having frustrations with all she has going on and so that's what stoked her anger and reaction towards Ashley. They just thought since she admitted that, and therefore was essentially admitting that her reaction wasn't really about Ashley per se, she could at least give a genuine apology. Seems reasonable. 

As to whether or not they would have done the same if Ashley had done to Wendy what Wendy did, well it's not like the women have never called Ashley out before and had their dramas with her. But more than that, I can only speak as a viewer here and if the roles had been reversed and it was Ashley coming at Wendy like a crazed woman because Wendy brought her baby, I'd feel the same about the situation and have the same opinion. 

[Boofish]

As someone who is just not a fan of animals, I absolutely LOATHE people who insist their pet is different and I will love them. NO - I WON'T. And I get it, it's "their house." So just don't invite me. I have friends who have pets. They know I don't like pets. They invite me over. I say no. They get offended. Well you have proven to me time and time again that you will not inconvenience Bark Bark and Captain Meowzabulb for a short visit with me and since I have a home where the payments are up to date and only allow humans, I can just stay here. That damn bird all over the place is just not funny to me. It's rude. I spent Thanksgiving with a dog who would not stop jumping all over me and owners who just sat there like it was no big deal. Thanksgiving with my in-laws is now permanently off the table unless they come to our home. I am still livid every time I think about that day. 

[Yogisbooboo64]

LMAO at 'Bark Bark'.

Karen was definitely the MVP this eppy...from her checking Dr. Ooomfoofoo regarding her comments about Karen and Ray's intimate business to putting Gizzard's Reverend Love Man's business at the dinner table, she had me howling and snapping my fingers at the screen!

[Yogisbooboo64]

I loved the lakehouse, though it could use a few minor upgrades....out in the woods or whatever, least it is paid for, Robyn.

[MaggieG]

I forever love the editors for giving us T'Challa subtitles. The "Hey girl" when Gizelle walked in and the "she crazy" regarding Wendy were on point.

 

[laprin]

 

13 hours ago, Rahul said:

I'm not feeling Dr. Wendy at all. First of all, on a franchise where the women are absolutely stunning (Karen less so, but she more than makes up for it with her quick wit, delusions of grandeur and comedic virtue) my eyes are assailed with this horrific sight every so often and it's absolutely jarring:

This comment on Dr. Wendy’s looks made me bristle. She is an attractive woman. I hope that colorism is not a factor, but it certainly rouses my suspicions to refer to her as horrific - the darkest woman with the most afro-centric features. 

[biakbiak]

14 hours ago, LaurelleJ said:

. A guest house for her vacation house. They could only hope. 

 

Given it’s distance from her house I assumed it was a guest house for the community that you rent when you have overflow guests. 

[Neurochick]

3 hours ago, biakbiak said:

They both brought their babies to Greece, though they stayed in a different hotel but Ashley’s friend was apparently going to be just hanging in the room with Dean so Ashley could be “focused” on the women.

Thanks, I stand corrected!

2 hours ago, drivethroo said:

I would need to know more about Wendy before I personally could make that judgment.  I don't see any evidence of that right now.  Wendy may have been picked on by Black Americans because she is African and now she has a defense complex; we don't know that right now.  I just think the "4 degrees" thing is what she's being told to push by the producers, much like the cast kept talking about "etiquette" in Season 1.,

I would believe that if 4 Degrees Wendy didn't scream at Ashley: "People like YOU call me DOCTOR."  

 

1 hour ago, laprin said:

This comment on Dr. Wendy’s looks made me bristle. She is an attractive woman. I hope that colorism is not a factor, but it certainly rouses my suspicions to refer to her as horrific - the darkest woman with the most afro-centric features. 

Actually I liked Wendy's TH look more than how she looked on the show.  The flat iron, long haired look doesn't suit her.  This comment is interesting because last night on Twitter someone wondered if Bravo was doing to her what Basketball Wives did to OG, positioning the darker skinned woman to be the "aggressive one."

For all we know, Wendy could have asked a producer if she could bring her baby and the producer could have told her no.  That would explain her upset when she saw Ashley with Dean.  

[Marley]

Lol Robyn cracked me up with the comment about forgetting her 2nd kids name. I’m liking Robyns this season so far.

It’s nice how Monique is with her bird but I do not like birds so I would not enjoy having that bird fly around me.

Wendys hair in her talking head is really bad. It looks like something from the 80s lol. Not a fan of Wendy so far. She’s trying too hard.

Yikes at the Michael drama next week lol. He honestly seems like such a sleaze.

 

[biakbiak]

4 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I would believe that if 4 Degrees Wendy didn't scream at Ashley: "People like YOU call me DOCTOR.

Seriously! Saying that in a social situation says so much about her and none of it good.

[sATL]

1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

Given it’s distance from her house I assumed it was a guest house for the community that you rent when you have overflow guests. 

I took to be another house on/near the lake that later became available for sale. Or $$-ex-football player Micheal made someone an offer to buy them out. Since they have a sizable extended friends/family/professional acquaintances,  it probably made some sense to have two properties where they like to play.

Edited August 31, 2020 by sATL

[Keywestclubkid]

3 minutes ago, sATL said:

I took to be another house on/near the lake that later became available or sale. Or $$-ex-football player Micheal made someone an offer to buy them out. Since they have a sizable extended friends/family/professional acquaintances,  it probably made some sense to have two properties.

Yea it looked like a house that was next to their property that they bought and turned into a guest house for the main property kind of like a mini compound

[biakbiak]

5 minutes ago, sATL said:

I took to be another house on/near the lake that later became available or sale. Or $$-ex-football player Micheal made someone an offer to buy them out. Since they have a sizable extended friends/family/professional acquaintances,  it probably made some sense to have two properties where they like to play.

Given the lake of personal decor (there will a gazillion pics of the family in the main house) and it not being on the actual lake, I doubt it, such things are fairly common in vacation communities.

4 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Yea it looked like a house that was next to their property that they bought and turned into a guest house for the main property kind of like a mini compound

It wasn’t just a property over. There were several driveways in between and even other roads.