S05.E09: Viva, Loss Vegas

[OnceSane]

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On a crew night out, Alex reveals his feelings to Bugsy while Hannah struggles to connect with the group; Captain Sandy comes down on Jess for her performance in the laundry room; an incident with the water toys forces Malia into an emergency rescue.

Airs July 27, 2020.

[snarts]

Hannah & Alex are on WWHL tonight.

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, snarts said:

Hannah & Alex are on WWHL tonight.

Is that weird to anyone else? Having guests twice so close in a season?

[The Ringo Kidd]

I look forward to seeing Hannah and hope she is doing well with her pregnancy.

I just think it is unfortunate that Sandy is going to come on and say that Bugsy would do pregnancy better!

[aqusdealer]

Is Hannah trying  to be helpful or deliberately sabotaging Kiko with all those bogus meal suggestions?

[TexasGal]

I don’t think Hannah could give Kiko worse menu advice if she tried.  Sandy wants fancy. She’s encouraging him to make comfort and then finger foods.
 

Jinx @aqusdealer!

[Caseysgirl]

It’s not over yet but why do I feel this micro managing of Kiko is all a set up to have Malia’s chef boyfriend take over. How convenient  that he happens to be arriving this week.  My poor Kiko! He was my favorite chef of all time.  

[janiema]

5 minutes ago, aqusdealer said:

Is Hannah trying  to be helpful or deliberately sabotaging Kiko with all those bogus meal suggestions?

It’s Sandy who is sabotaging him.

[aqusdealer]

1 minute ago, janiema said:

It’s Sandy who is sabotaging him.

I agree but why is Hannah being so damaging....LasVegas food??? Right!

[The Ringo Kidd]

The only show with bigger pieces of shit would be in Ramona’s toilet.

Sandy made Kiko cry! She micromanaged and encourages the clients to not like the food.

She doesn’t deserve someone like Kiko on her boat. I hope he quits and tells her how off!

[PaperTree]

What exactly is the menu for a “Vegas Night”

[TexasGal]

6 minutes ago, PaperTree said:

What exactly is the menu for a “Vegas Night”

I mean, that IS hard to figure out.  Vegas pretty much has EVERY kind of food so.... Finger food would make sense if they were playing while eating, but they weren’t.  

[The Ringo Kidd]

No wonder Malia and Bugsy get along so well. 
 

They are both squealers and tattletales. Instead of confronting the person they have a problem they stab you in the back.

Snakes.

[PaperTree]

2 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

I mean, that IS hard to figure out.  Vegas pretty much has EVERY kind of food so.... Finger food would make sense if they were playing while eating, but they weren’t.  

Exacty!  Hannah should have asked the guests what their idea of a "Vegas night" dinner was and informed Kiko accordingly.  

[aqusdealer]

The guests were expecting at least the same caliber of food from the night before and they were so disappointed to get fried oily crap instead of Michelin star quality food. Kiko may have been a foreigner to Las Vegas, but he’s still a chef and he should’ve sensed that this wouldn’t be a winner.

Edited July 28, 2020 by aqusdealer

[Mr. Miner]

Kiko is taking suggestions from a chief stew that gives zero fucks. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Michichick]

44 minutes ago, Caseysgirl said:

It’s not over yet but why do I feel this micro managing of Kiko is all a set up to have Malia’s chef boyfriend take over. How convenient  that he happens to be arriving this week.  My poor Kiko! He was my favorite chef of all time.  

Oh! Yes, I bet you’re right. Production shenanigans!
 

Poor Kiko, he either is a good actor or he was really upset.

[Lady of nod]

5 minutes ago, aqusdealer said:

The guests were expecting at least the same caliber of food from the night before and they were so disappointed to get fried oily crap instead of Michelin star quality food. Kiko may have been a foreigner to Las Vegas, but he’s still a chef and he should’ve sensed that this wouldn’t be a winner.

And yet Sandy told Kiko she wasn't happy with the previous night's food. He can't win. I think Hannah was trying to help but it got lost in translation.

This whole season seems so scripted. Sandy has Malia, who she adores, and who hates Hannah. Then brings on Bugs, her fave stew, who hates Hannah. Next week she'lll fire Kiko so that Malia's boyfriend can be the chef. Hannah, who Sandy also hates, will be the next to go so that Bugs can be chief stew. 

Sandy is a bitch and should stick to driving the boat. Her micromanaging and playing favorites, while undermining crew members she doesn't like is annoying af. She's like a gnat I just want to shoo away. Or smash.

[Mr. Miner]

Blow Torch nachos...Yum!

[PaperTree]

Nachos.  It's not that hard.

Mom had this amazing recipe.

Brown and drain gound beef, with garlic powder, onion powder and taco seasoning.

Line casserole with tortilla chips.  Layer on beef, sour cream and cheddar.  Repeat until dish is full.  Sometimes there was a refried beans layer.  Cheddar and taco sauce on top.  Bake for half an hour.  It's like a Tex-Mex lasanga.

eta:  forgot the black olives.

Edited July 28, 2020 by PaperTree

[Kiki777]

I think the whole thing is scripted.  Kiko seems too talented a chef to actually pull what he did for Vegas dinner (whatever the heck that is)

[hoosier80]

There’s a way to make basic finger food elevated into more of a gourmet dish. I think this is all a setup for next season. Malia’s bf will be chef, Bugs chief stew, Malia bosun, with Captain Micromanager. They will have foils in the rest of the crew.

 I would love Sandy try that micromanaging with Ben.  I would really love her to be stuck with Jenna as chief stew, Adam as chef, plus to drive her more nuts - stews  — with the mermaid chick (can’t remember her name) and the other one who couldn’t even put the correct amount of detergent in the washing machine.

[TeeMo]

There are two things I will eat and drink no matter how poorly they might be prepared - coffee and nachos. But even I thought those nachos looked inedible. Yikes. Poor Kiko. He seems like a hard worker who wants to do a good job but he just can’t get it quite right. Hannah should be ashamed of herself for offering such poor advice. She’s been doing this a long time and knows better than to let the chef serve a dinner made up of a bunch of greasy finger foods as dinner even if Kiko had no idea what Vegas style meant. The fish and truffle fries may have worked as a lunch offering but not for a sit down dinner. 

Edited July 28, 2020 by TeeMo

[esco1822]

I live Kiko but to be fair, everything he served could have been elevated fairly easily. People love fancy nachos and truffle fries but what he put out didn’t look appetizing at all. Some variation of chicken and waffles probably would have killed too. I think he just wanted to put out everything on the preference sheet at once but really didn’t bother with presentation. That was Sandy’s pet peeve previously so he should have killed it and that is on him. He could have also just made anything he wanted and given it casino game related names. King crab is an easy one. Clams Casino. Duck “roulettes.” That kind of thing. I honestly think he just cracked under the weight of Sandy’s pressure.

Edited July 28, 2020 by esco1822
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[mbaywife123]

Kikos lunch should have been the Vegas "dinner" with a few tweaks. Starter: Wedge iceberg salad with green goddess dressing. Middle: French onion soup (small ramiken)with melted cheese on top and toasted sourdough bread slice in the bottom of the bowl. Main: Bacon wrapped filets minions and an in shell 1/2 of lobster thermador. Desert: Baked Alaska. This would have been an OG Vegas meal!

Lunch should have been shrimp cocktails, and light "refreshing" pasta salad (s) to stave off the hunger for dinner and prime the guests stomachs for a heavier dinner fair.

[dosodog]

My dad who was an Army and later tavern cook would have made a better meal.  I'm sorry, I like Kiko.  But he isnt cut out for super yacht cooking. Maybe down the road, but he is in over his head.  

I mean, Mila's nachos looked better than Kiko's......that's bad.

Alex is adorkable!  Lurve him!  Take the plunge Bugsy!  Stop getting in your own way because of something that happened when you were 14!

In the end, I believe Bravo makes all the hiring/firing decisions. Captain Sandy, Lee, Glenn, Mark have no real input on tv show yachting.

Because if Captain Sandy had that power on tv yachting, I'm pretty sure she would never have brought back a certain stew, for 4 seasons.

 

[njbchlover]

Once all of this "unplanned" shuffling of stews, chefs and crew is finished, and Captain Sandy Bitchface gets all her minions on one boat, I swear, I will throw something at my TV if I hear her utter "Dream Team".  I am already hearing it in my head, and picturing her saying it as she's tossing cash around during a tip meeting.  

Poor Kiko!!  He had no idea what a "Las Vegas-style dinner" is.  As a matter of fact, neither do I.  It seemed like they did go off the preference sheets for fried foods, etc., but that was an artery-hardening meal if ever I saw one.  Maybe ONE deep fried option per meal during the four night charter would suffice.  The women charter guests did not look happy at all.  The guys seemed okay, but not overly impressed.  (I will say, though, that these charter guests seem very gracious so far - they seem to find something good in things that may not be so great.)

All of those fried foods could also have been easily elevated to a "super yacht" level, too.  

Most of that stuff is more like a buffet you would set up during a long latenight card game - not for a dinner.  I hate to side with Sandy, but she is correct in that, however, her constant hovering is just beyond.

Hannah really didn't help Kiko much with her suggestions, based off of what she likes to eat when she's been to Las Vegas.

BUT - Sandy is just out of control and has become more of a camera-whore than ever.  (She's even beyond Housewife level in that respect!)  She's also a stealth bitch with her little asides about Bugsy within Hannah's earshot.  Nothing like undermining your chief stew to the guests.  And she did the same to Kiko.  No wonder we can hear Hannah muttering how she hates this fucking boat.  I would, too, if I were in her shoes.

Malia is also annoying me.  She's like a mini-Sandy in training.  I can't figure out who Sandy is crushing on more - Bugsy or Malia.

On a good note - I find Alex adorable, even when he's completely drunk.  His talking heads are great.  I love a guy who can see himself for who he is and laugh at himself.  Whoever he winds up with is going to be one lucky girl.  

Edited July 28, 2020 by njbchlover

[Luckylondon]

56 minutes ago, PaperTree said:

Nachos.  It's not that hard.

Mom had this amazing recipe.

Brown and drain gound beef, with garlic powder, onion powder and taco seasoning.

Line casserole with tortilla chips.  Layer on beef, sour cream and cheddar.  Repeat until dish is full.  Sometimes there was a refried beans layer.  Cheddar and taco sauce on top.  Bake for half an hour.  It's like a Tex-Mex lasanga.

 

It is midnight. I’m starving. I want your mom’s nacho lasagna 🤤

[mbaywife123]

I agree about the TOO much fried food , and late at night as well.  I would have been on the porcelain throne late night and miserable into the next afternoon cursing the vegetable oil gods,

[esco1822]

Jess is lucky Kiko is such a mess in this charter, it takes the focus off her total ineptitude. She admittedly isn’t giving 100% despite telling Hannah she always does. Jess has documented communication problems but still blames Hannah. She really should not have to be spoon-fed her job responsibilities by the 5th charter.

Interesting to see Malia jump on the blame Hannah bandwagon. Almost like she would like Hannah to get booted so Bugs could have the job. Even more interesting that Malia told Bugs that she could not serve the nachos but Bugs looked at them and did it anyway. Sandy blames Hannah and brings up the Mila situation. All signs point to Sandy getting her “dream team.” I hope it backfires on her.

 

[Jack Sampson]

7 minutes ago, esco1822 said:

All signs point to Sandy getting her “dream team.” I hope it backfires on her.

I can't wait to see Sandy's dream team fail hard.  Or it'll be cut together to make it a success, no matter the reality.  Either way, I wonder if Sandy will be inceptioning doubts in the charter guests' minds about the food and service.

[CSunshine76]

51 minutes ago, mbaywife123 said:

Kikos lunch should have been the Vegas "dinner" with a few tweaks. Starter: Wedge iceberg salad with green goddess dressing. Middle: French onion soup (small ramiken)with melted cheese on top and toasted sourdough bread slice in the bottom of the bowl. Main: Bacon wrapped filets minions and an in shell 1/2 of lobster thermador. Desert: Baked Alaska. This would have been an OG Vegas meal!

Lunch should have been shrimp cocktails, and light "refreshing" pasta salad (s) to stave off the hunger for dinner and prime the guests stomachs for a heavier dinner fair.

This dinner would have been perfect. To me, Vegas means decadence. I mean every celebrity chef has a restaurant there and there are some amazing food options.  That crap Kiko served would have been frowned upon by most kids I know.  And the night before didn’t look much better.  Potato gratin is fine...but serve it in individual ramekins, don’t slap it on the plate like Sunday lunch at Grandmas.

I’m sure his food tastes good, but I think Kiko is out of his league, and Sandy isn’t helping him be confident and take any risks.

Edited July 28, 2020 by CSunshine76
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[Marley]

Kiko is fucking up but Sandy is so fucking annoying. Like go away and drive the boat bitch. What a nice boss to take every chance to trash you to the guests. I’m sick of seeing Sandys stupid face lol.

I like Alex I think he’s hot. Cute when drunk too. Bugsy would be lucky to be with him.

I was kind of liking Malia but not this episode. It’s not Hannah’s fault they served those shit nachos. Bugsy served them and in the end it’s Kikos fault for making shitty nachos.

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Marley

[aqusdealer]

On a lighter note (fried food pun well intended)... poor Alex is in love with Bugsy, but too petrified to make a move!

[LaLaLaLa]

A little something I put together because Sandy is better than everyone at everything...

Edited July 28, 2020 by LaLaLaLa

[oakville]

2 hours ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

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Sandy made Kiko cry! She micromanaged and encourages the clients to not like the food.

She doesn’t deserve someone like Kiko on her boat. I hope he quits and tells her how off!

I was outraged that Captain Sandy made Kiko cry. Doesn't Sandy remember the fiasco last year of having the fake Russian chef who made disgusting nachos & making a 3rd stew , Anastasia chef ?

Sandy never double checked her references. She wasn't a Cordon Bleu chef.

Kiko is a Below Deck Hall of Fame Chef.

[scrb]

Wonder how they cast Kiko.

He’s had experience on big yachts and he probably knows how to cook a lot of dishes.

He’s got a chipper personality, fun to be round but not dramatic enough for this show, especially considering his predecessors.

So why set him up to fail with small portions and then making him make dishes he’s not used to cooking?

 

If Malia and her bf generate some drama, maybe that’s the real reason they get rid of Kiko.

 

They capture a lot of instances of Hanna muttering about hating the job.  Yet she’s a good sport about appearing on WWHL and doing other appearances to promote the show during the season.

So this narrative that she was ready to quit, going through the motions, making Jess and Kiko look bad because of her indifference doesn’t seem to fit her actions right now.

 

[movingtargetgal]

10 hours ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

I look forward to seeing Hannah and hope she is doing well with her pregnancy.

I just think it is unfortunate that Sandy is going to come on and say that Bugsy would do pregnancy better!

Bugsy would make a kick ass tablescape featuring her baby bump covered in gold glitter.

I used to be annoyed with Sandy now I officially hate her.  She broke Kiko's spirit with her micromanaging.  

[The Ringo Kidd]

Bugsy would bedazzle her uterus so the midwives would be very impressed. 

[dleighg]

so it sounds like the producers do pressure the crew to go out and get drunk on off nights. Why else would have Kiko needed to ask Sandy for permission to stay home? Man, I'd stay in and read a book every time I had a chance!

How do they keep everyone's laundry separate? Do they do separate loads? Otherwise everyone should have iron-on labels like my kids did for summer camp!

[psychoticstate]

4 minutes ago, dleighg said:

so it sounds like the producers do pressure the crew to go out and get drunk on off nights. Why else would have Kiko needed to ask Sandy for permission to stay home? Man, I'd stay in and read a book every time I had a chance!

How do they keep everyone's laundry separate? Do they do separate loads? Otherwise everyone should have iron-on labels like my kids did for summer camp!

You and me both!  Most of these off-nights out make me shudder.  I'd be fine with the dinner but have zero interest in clubbing.  Especially when you have a charter starting the next day at noon and these idiots are yelling, screaming and having drunken shenanigans at 3 am.  

I've been to Vegas multiple times and I have zero idea what a Vegas dinner is supposed to be.  Rat Pack-Oceans 11 thing?  Buffet?  It could mean many different things to different people.  Case in point:  Hannah, who thinks nachos and truffle fries screams Vegas.  I know Hannah gives zero fucks and hates the fucking boat (as she does every season) but she should have stepped up and told Sandy that she suggested the food items to Kiko.  Ultimately Kiko is responsible but having never been to Vegas, he trusted someone who had and adjusted his menu accordingly.  And as another poster said, Hannah should have clarified with the guests what a Vegas dinner meant to them and what they were expecting.  After all, they met with her and Kiko on day one to go over the menu and food options so why wasn't that discussed?  

I have somewhat defended Sandy in the past, saying that production likely makes her micromanage but she infuriated me this episode, whether it was all her or production or what.  Stay out of the fucking galley!  Your chef is already under pressure; he doesn't need you breathing down his neck!  Leaving the fucking charter guests alone!  Quit asking them repeatedly how their food is!  If they are paying serious coin for the charter and they aren't happy, they will let someone know.  By polling them every time they put a morsel of food into their mouths, she's encouraging them to find some fault, no matter how small.  She's also sending the message that she doesn't trust her chef.  Honestly, I'd love Capt. Lee's take on Sandy's following the guests around and stalking Kiko.  

My heart broke that Kiko was in tears.  I understand it.  I had a job once like that, where my supervisor was breathing down my neck all the time and telling me if I made one mistake, I was going to be fired.  It's no way to work.  

Bugsy does have beautiful tables.  So far, the tables on this charter have been out of the park.  

Alex is super cute.  Even though I couldn't understand what he was trying to say to Bugsy, it's adorkable that he gets so tongue tied around her.  

So given that Bugsy made the suggestion that the laundry room should have numbers for everyone with a slot for their clothing items . . . it doesn't already?  How do you keep track of what is whose?   Jess definitely should have her job duties down by now but Hannah would be responsible for that.  

I'm not a fan of Hannah's (obviously) but she has the worst attitude.  Why was she bitching about the boat last night?  Because she had to do her job?  And if it's because she's worried about Kiko, then stand up for him!  She's been on charter with Sandy multiple times before (and it's not like Sandy can really fire anybody since they are under contract with Bravo) so why not suggest or tell Sandy that Kiko needs some breathing room?  Again, why doesn't Hannah admit that she suggested the menu to Kiko?  Gah.  

If Kiko leaves, I am going to be disappointed, disgusted and utterly saddened.  

[snarts]

In one of the worst examples of poor management ever, Sandy stands in the galley berating Kiko in front of everyone, basically telling him that he's gone after this charter.  You praise in public, criticize in private. Not to mention choosing to do it in the middle of a charter,  What if Kiko said, screw this & walked off?  She's lucky he didn't.

The guest experience should be everyone's #1 priority, especially the Captain.  Yet, she's standing at their table criticizing and swearing (Jesus F'in Christ) over the food.  Guests should be immune and sheltered from the crew drama, not brought into it.  Captain Sandy fancies herself the star of the show and wants to drive all the story lines.  It's ruined it.  I watched some of season one recently and it was so much more enjoyably entertaining.  Bring back Captain Mark.

Malia telling Jess that she's not 100% responsible for laundry & that the issue starts with her boss was way overstepping IMHO.  Stew #3 is always the laundry grunt. How would Malia feel if Hannah told Pete that he's not 100% for anchor watch or whatever and that Malia sucks a leader? Stay in your lane and stop doing Sandy's bidding.

Finally, WTF was Bugsy wearing?  She looked like a 10 year old set loose in Claire's!!

Edited July 28, 2020 by snarts

[CaliforniaLove]

Captain Sandy is a special kind of asshole...

[Mr. Miner]

Now the Duck Billed Dingbat is half assing the laundry. She gets a little more annoying each week.

[dleighg]

what exactly happened with the jet ski? Why were they yelling Stop Stop before it crashed? Was it just because it was going too fast?

And Pete was noticeably absent, but why did they show him at all? It seemed the times they did were completely unnecessary to the story line. Sometimes it was just to show him, alone, putting something away for example.

Edited July 28, 2020 by dleighg

[tinaw]

When Malia has no one else to screw over (hannah and jess) Bugsy will be next. Im looking forward to that

[janiema]

I agree that Hannah’s suggestions for the Las Vegas dinner were not good but at the end of the day I think food choices and decisions should be discussed between the chef and the guests. Adding a middleman to the discussion is asking for trouble.

 

[dleighg]

shouldn't alex and bugsy have at least googled a bit about the town they were going to? Crappy tour guides who say "I know nothing about this catheral."

[Lady of nod]

57 minutes ago, snarts said:

In one of the worst examples of poor management ever, Sandy stands in the galley berating Kiko in front of everyone, basically telling him that he's gone after this charter.  You praise in public, criticize in private. Not to mention choosing to do it in the middle of a charter,  What if Kiko said, screw this & walked off?  She's lucky he didn't.

The guest experience should be everyone's #1 priority, especially the Captain.  Yet, she's standing at their table criticizing and swearing (Jesus F'in Christ) over the food.  Guests should be immune and sheltered from the crew drama, not brought into it.  Captain Sandy fancies herself the star of the show and wants to drive all the story lines.  It's ruined it.  I watched some of season one recently and it was so much more enjoyably entertaining.  Bring back Captain Mark.

Malia telling Jess that she's not 100% responsible for laundry & that the issue starts with her boss was way overstepping IMHO.  Stew #3 is always the laundry grunt. How would Malia feel if Hannah told Pete that he's not 100% for anchor watch or whatever and that Malia sucks a leader? Stay in your lane and stop doing Sandy's bidding.

Finally, WTF was Bugsy wearing?  She looked like a 10 year old set loose in Claire's!!

Yes to all this! Her treatment of Kiko was beyond unprofessional and so cruel. I'm surprised he agreed to finish the charter. He's a better person than I, because I would have been on the tender off that boat right then and there. Like chef Leon - who was awful btw. And hovering around the guests every meal gives the impression to them that she has no faith in her chef. But not to worry, because she's  super Sandy , who fixes everything, even if it means demeaning and humiliating her crew in front of the others. Anything for screen time. Right Captain?

No wonder Hannah is over this. I am too!

[dleighg]

Kid's birthday party is right. Those guests were amazingly gracious about it. "It still tastes good!" I mean, if they'd been served Big Macs in cardboard boxes I'm sure they would have said the same thing. And be thinking internally "WTF?"