S05.E02: Can’t Touch This

[TexasGal]

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Hannah struggles to get her Second Stew in line, and tensions reach a boiling point when Lara refuses to take direction from Hannah. In the galley, Kiko finds himself up against guests that are less than satisfied. Malia deals with a green deck crew and is forced to draw the line with Pete.

Airdate 06.08.2020

So I can’t figure out how much of the Lara/Hannah issue is they literally aren’t understanding each other’s accents, and how much is that they are both bitchy?  Lara was asking Hannah to show her where the water was, and Hannah snipped you won’t get them (paraphrasing), and then Lara walked away.  Crazy.

 

[Mr. Miner]

I’m falling in love with Lara! 😍

[dosodog]

I suppose it might be because I've been over Hannah since her first season, but I am thoroughly enjoying Lara's insubordination.

And I'm of the opinion they are both bitches and has nothing to do with accents.

[Mindthinkr]

Ok. Looks like we are going to have a contest between Hannah and Lara about who can outbitch who. Lara will probably win as she’s already got Capt Sandy’s ear. Sandy isn’t overly fond of Hannah after her other seasons lack of diligence. 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Mindthinkr
Stupid autocorrect.

[whydoievencare]

Personally I can't stand Lara.  She's kind of acting like the deck guy- Jack? - from last year who I also couldn't stand.  Lara is being deliberately obstinate - I can't imagine her as a chief stew, or actually in any stew position.  She doesn't seem to want to do anything for anyone - even I know you don't walk away from prepared eggs - you serve them immediately!  This is a service industry and Lara doesn't seem suited to it.  Her only goal seems to be to piss off everyone and I'm not enjoying it.

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by whydoievencare

[Mr. Miner]

They somehow make working on a yacht look like a really shitty job. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Caseysgirl]

This is going to be another hard season to watch. Once again, Sandy micromanaging in the galley. I love Kiko but I guess she’s going to be on his ass all season; I’m just glad that she ended up telling him his steak was ok. Lara and Hannah are both bitches!  It should be interesting to see who loses this battle. I like Malia a lot and I think she holds her own but I hope she doesn’t get a lot of disrespect from the deckhands - after last season I couldn’t go through that again.

[Mindthinkr]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

They somehow make working on a yacht look like a really shitty job. 🤷🏻‍♂️

It may be hard work, but the perks are wonderful. As is the money. 

[Michichick]

I don’t like Hannah but Lara is making me be on Hannah’s side. Hannah is the boss whether she’s a bitch or not, so Lara should be doing what she’s told.

[Irritable]

Lara is making my stomach hurt.  I want her to get off the boat as soon it docks and keep walking. If I had to work with her I would have the hardest time not punching her in the throat. Sandy’s seething hatred for Hannah is going to make getting rid of Lara difficult, which is a shame. I am totally Team Hannah on this.

Kiko seems like such a sweetheart. I’m glad Hannah was able to offer him the semi-save on forgetting the additional plate by implying it was due to the half-serving request.

Malea seems to be doing a good job so far, and I like her clear communication. 

[whydoievencare]

Lara is acting like she's the chief stew and she's telling Hannah to shape up.  I would have trouble restraining myself from decking her.  Hannah actually isn't the problem here.

Edited June 9, 2020 by whydoievencare

[Mindthinkr]

1 minute ago, Irritable said:

Kiko seems like such a sweetheart. I’m glad Hannah was able to offer him the semi-save on forgetting the additional plate by implying it was due to the half-serving request.

The last part is exactly how it is supposed to be between team members. 
Protect each other and get the job done. 

[Mr. Miner]

Lara is a good judge of character, she realized right off that she is working for a repulsive chief stew. 

[TexasGal]

7 minutes ago, Caseysgirl said:

This is going to be another hard season to watch. Once again, Sandy micromanaging in the galley. I love Kiko but I guess she’s going to be on his ass all season; I’m just glad that she ended up telling him his steak was ok. 

When Sandy jumped to the conclusion that steaks were tough and asked Kiko if he’d tasted it - how exactly was he supposed to taste the steak before serving it?  He couldn’t cut a piece off one and try it.  If he’d made an extra to taste it could have been more or less tender than the ones that he gave the guests.  That made no sense to me.

[TeeMo]

Lara is totally 100% out of line but once again Hannah shows herself to be a crap manager. If I went to my boss after working with a new staff member for two days and said I would honestly be happier if she quit, she would not be having it at all and would question my ability to be an effective manager. Sandy acknowledged that she could read bad energy from Lara but gave Hannah decent advice to try to resolve it and get things back on track. Lara was completely inappropriate in that sit down meeting at the end of the episode but Hannah running away in a huff to grab Sandy and whispering “you’re disgusting” under her breath was not the way a manager should respond. She should have stopped Lara and said “I think you and I are not communicating and I am going to go ask Sandy if she has some time to sit down with both of this so we can work this out.” Running into the crew mess and saying “I need you, it’s really bad” even after Sandy asked if she could finish her cereal was ridiculous. The boat was not on fire. Hannah just can not handle it when she is challenged in any way and makes it an emergency.

Having said all that, Lara is terrible and Hannah is correct to be frustrated with her. She was insubordinate during the charter and could not provide a concrete example of what Hannah had done to piss her off (asking for an example was the one correct thing Hannah did in that conversation). Unfortunately  for Hannah, Lara seems to have figured out how to push her buttons and seems determined to push them all. 

[TeeMo]

I will say that Hannah does seem to be making more of an effort in general this season. The Smirnoff Ice bouquet gift was a clever idea and she actively talked through some table decor. And her save for Kiko was also great. It’s too bad that she finally decided to show some effort on a season when she is stuck with unpleasant and combative 2nd stew who is sure to drive her crazy.

[Mr. Miner]

9 minutes ago, TeeMo said:

I will say that Hannah does seem to be making more of an effort in general this season. The Smirnoff Ice bouquet gift was a clever idea and she actively talked through some table decor. And her save for Kiko was also great. It’s too bad that she finally decided to show some effort on a season when she is stuck with unpleasant and combative 2nd stew who is sure to drive her crazy.

You’re giving her credit for shit she should have been doing for years.

[TeeMo]

1 minute ago, Mr. Miner said:

You’re giving her credit for shit she should have been doing for years.

This is very true. 😂

[pieinmyeye]

I can’t believe how disrespectful Lora is. As much as we don’t like Hannah, Hannah is her boss and Lora needs to start acting like it.

[Mr. Miner]

I’m running a little hot! Bravo had season 1 on today and Hannah sucked from day one. And hasn’t improved in 5 years.

[Fostersmom]

33 minutes ago, Irritable said:

Lara is making my stomach hurt.  I want her to get off the boat as soon it docks and keep walking. If I had to work with her I would have the hardest time not punching her in the throat. Sandy’s seething hatred for Hannah is going to make getting rid of Lara difficult, which is a shame. I am totally Team Hannah on this.

Kiko seems like such a sweetheart. I’m glad Hannah was able to offer him the semi-save on forgetting the additional plate by implying it was due to the half-serving request.

Malea seems to be doing a good job so far, and I like her clear communication. 

I'm already seeing Sandy's excuse making for Lara in my mind, just like she does for every shit crew member who she thinks is amazing. 

[aqusdealer]

It was very telling when they were showing the child photos of Lara and she mentioned that she got into trouble when young by even refusing to respect her teachers. She strikes me as someone who has big problems with authority, so this is nothing new. She drags people down to her level and then beats them with experience. Then, when she usually gets her way, her world is fine and they can now "get along." The trouble is that Hannah is not folding (nor should she). Lara must learn to respect her manager. Although it's human nature to try and be kind to your staff, Lara will probably see this kindness as a weakness and "giving in". I actually think she's a bit of a sociopath. Time will tell.

[Rhetorica]

I love Kiko! He reminds me of my Schnoodle that passed away two years ago. So sweet and I love his giggles. Lara could fall overboard as far as I'm concerned. I, of course, hope someone rescues her...

[howiveaddict]

41 minutes ago, whydoievencare said:

Lara is acting like she's the chief stew and she's telling Hannah to shape up.  I would have trouble restraining myself from decking her.  Hannah actually isn't the problem here.

 I can't imagine anyone having a job for long talking to their boss that way.  Wonder if Lara was the only stew when she was "chief" stew on the other yachts.  Probably another person that embellished the resume.  I think she has a superiority complex and thinks she is just too cool to do actual work.  Hope she doesn't last long.

I know most people don't like Hannah, but I don't see where she did anything wrong with Lara.. Lara has argued about every single task she has been given to do.  I'd have her scrubbing the toilets with a tooth brush.  

Compared to Jenna, Hannah looks like the best chief stew ever.

Don't like the lead deck hands attitude either.  

2 minutes ago, Rhetorica said:

I love Kiko! He reminds me of my Schnoodle that passed away two years ago. So sweet and I love his giggles. Lara could fall overboard as far as I'm concerned. I, of course, hope someone rescues her...

I was hoping they make her walk the plank with no rescue!

[spunky]

Lara is as cold and distant as Siberia. As much as I couldn’t stand Aesha last year I’d rather see her than Lara. She’s extremely rude and her Brillo pad personality is not for the service industry. At least Sandy sensed her bad attitude, and other crew members witnessed it. 

Kiko seems sweet and is a talented chef. However he needs to work on his time management skills. The guests should not be waiting over 30 minutes for their food. I gave Pete or whatever his name is the benefit of the doubt last week. This week he’s proven that he would have been a good fit for the donkey brigade on regular Below Deck. I’m glad that Malia decided to shut him down instead of letting it linger.

[Irritable]

I’ll bet everyone who has ever had the misfortune of working with Lara in the past was watching this episode yelling, “SEE?!??? This is what I was telling you about, she’s IMPOSSIBLE!”

Her parents must have taken encouraging her to stand up for herself way too far if she was already bucking up at her teachers in grade school.  Basically, she admits she’s always been an asshole, but she’s trying to wrap it in paper that looks like “strong woman who takes no shit”. We all see through it, and I can’t imagine who, besides her parents, have ever found her obnoxious attitude to be endearing.

[malibu]

I think Malia is doing well so far but does she have to keep calling her crew "boys"?  It probably doesn't bother them to be addressed as such but for some reason, it's really bugging me!

[Kiki777]

As much as I dislike Hannah, Lara is The Worst!  She has such a chip on her shoulder because she used to be chief stew.  (Did someone hold a gun to her head and force to be a 2nd?)  I agree that there is something sociopathic about her.  Just flat and chilling, the way she speaks to people when Sandy isn’t around.

I love Kiko too, and not just because his name is similar to mine 🙂 he has some minor flaws but I’m rooting for him.  He is talented and has a positive attitude.

That was so sweet when Malia teared up, I’m rooting for her too. 

[njbchlover]

Well, I am really, really disliking Lara.  First, because she's a stonecold bitch, second, because she has a major attitude problem, third, because she thinks she is better than everyone else, but lastly, and most importantly - she is forcing me to be on Hannah's side, and I seriously do not like Hannah much, either.  

I'm seriously waiting for the crew's nights out - I would imagine they will be pretty interesting.

Oh, and Sandy is still a crappy captain, always championing those that kiss her ass, and so far, I am loving Kiko - he just seems so chill, has a good sense of humor and seems to have some skills.  Kind of all the best attributes of Ben and Adrian and the other Canadian chef from BD (I can't remember his name).

[dosodog]

1 hour ago, pieinmyeye said:

I can’t believe how disrespectful Lora is. As much as we don’t like Hannah, Hannah is her boss and Lora needs to start acting like it.

In real life, I whole heartedly agree with you.  However, this is a tv show.  So.  I'm good with this and hope for another episode of Lara not giving zero effs about Hannah.

2 episodes in and Rob is still not an ahole!  Yes!

Edited June 9, 2020 by dosodog

[nytonc]

I absolutely can’t stand Hannah but Lara is such a horrible person, I find hating Hannah Is not quite as entertaining.  I’d like to see how far Lara can push Hannah before she goes right over the edge. I think it’s appropriate payback for the shit job Hannah’s done up till now. It might just be a fun season. Sandy is micro managing and thirsty as fuck for camera time as usual. 

[Kayz Opinion]

49 minutes ago, malibu said:

I think Malia is doing well so far but does she have to keep calling her crew "boys"?  It probably doesn't bother them to be addressed as such but for some reason, it's really bugging me!

She really doesn't like being called "Sweetheart," so maybe she needs to examine her own ways.

[ChristmasJones]

Lara triggered flashbacks to a coworker I once had. Our company was having massive financial problems and a lot of people were laid off. But then we had to hire back for certain positions and the pay was really bad.  They hired this woman to be the receptionist.  I am not anything like Hannah, but she was very much like Lara. 

Everything was like pulling teeth, and when I gave explicit directions, she would ignore me, not do the task, or be very snippy. She would just NOT do things.  It was absolutely maddening. I was losing my mind. It got to the point where I just decided to not ask her to do anything and I did all the tasks I needed myself. 

Then one day, I walked in the front door and no one was sitting at the front desk. I log into my email and it says "effective today, receptionist is no longer employed at X company" and I was the happiest person in the world.

[MVFrostsMyPie]

OMG Sandy, why don't you just change your name to Sahara because you're thirsty AF? 

Lara even moves as stiffly as her personality. I don't understand the egos of some of these yachties. Like, I don't care what your past experience is because on THIS yacht, you're NOT the chief stew. I want Jenna and Lara to work together so they can get a taste of their own medicine but I feel like the yacht would just end up combusting from incompetence and attitude.

[PaperTree]

2 hours ago, spunky said:

Kiko seems sweet and is a talented chef. However he needs to work on his time management skills. T

A friend worked in Brazil for about 4 years.  Told me that Brazilians have zero concept of time.  Everybody is relaxed and nothing happens on time because there is always manana.  Totally alien to US culture.  I see that in Kiko.

[scrb]

2 hours ago, dosodog said:

In real life, I whole heartedly agree with you.  However, this is a tv show.  So.  I'm good with this and hope for another episode of Lara not giving zero effs about Hannah.

2 episodes in and Rob is still not an ahole!  Yes!

 

1 hour ago, nytonc said:

I absolutely can’t stand Hannah but Lara is such a horrible person, I find hating Hannah Is not quite as entertaining.  I’d like to see how far Lara can push Hannah before she goes right over the edge. I think it’s appropriate payback for the shit job Hannah’s done up till now. It might just be a fun season. Sandy is micro managing and thirsty as fuck for camera time as usual. 

She is definitely insubordinate but that's not unusual for the BD shows.  Plenty of cast members have basically thumbed their nose at their immediate superiors, setting up a situation where the captain has to intervene at some point, even though it's the producers who make casting decisions.

They probably cast for that and encourage cast members to stand up for themselves and so on.

Because them butting heads or as creeper Pete calls it a cat fight, is someone's idea of good TV.

Producers may try to keep antagonists on as long as possible.

Malia is going to have her authority challenged by Pete because they want to feature her in scenes and especially scenes where she has to confront him or any other male deckhand who questions her fitness to lead the deck crew.

 

[azprimadonna]

Let's hand it to the producers!!! They have outdone themselves with Lara's casting and another crew of sleazy men who tell disgusting jokes in front of their female boss. Having been a supervisor of a large number of both men and women, I cannot imagine anyone telling me they would not do something I asked, nor anyone calling me "sweetheart".  Granted, I am much older than this crew, but have things changed so much that this behavior is acceptable?? And "GET OFF MY LAWN!"

[BlueHawk]

This season is Hanna's swan song to yachting so I imagine the show runners gave her a doozy. Certainly Lana fits that scenario. Each scene with Lana made my stomach clench-- fists and jaw too ! If this is the reaction to the initial episodes I might not make it through the whole season🙄

Sandy has always bugged. To me she somehow just doesn't "fit" in the role of  Captain. Too eager to please and be seen. The palsey - walsey stuff just seems off for that position of authority.

Love Kiko! 💘 Only things I find concerning are the lackadaisical pacing of meals ( paying guests should never be sitting at an empty table ,hungry,  for 45+minutes) Also compared to the really lavish breakfast spreads we witnessed Adam provide consistently on BDSY these poor folks got sparse and boring !! The pancakes and eggs were definitely COLD sitting on plain platters on the also unadorned table. Adam may have personal (mental/emotiona) issues but he was awake and baking every morning -- croissants, muffins, piles of bacon & fluffy eggs, gorgeous platters of mixed fruits, espresso drinks ect. Each and every morning.  He said it right "if the chef gets the food right the guests are guaranteed to be happy" which reflects on the tip.. Personally, I'd be WAY disappointed if I was on that huge gorgeous yacht &  breakfast looked like what (admittedly dear)  Kiko put forth. 😞

 I was prepared to see some criticisms around the tardiness of meals and less-than stellar breakfast upon departure and a stingy tip. However, these guys were  easygoing and generous so good for them.👏👏😁

Gonna keep watching for awhile at least to see what improves and to watch Lara being fired...😊

Edited June 9, 2020 by BlueHawk

[RalyWilmy]

Lara is a psychopath. 

Kiko is adorable. "F$ck you, carrots" is going to be my new catchphrase.

 

[Jsage]

Lara reminds me of Mila the chef from last season. They both are impossible to work with and they're just terrible people in general. Hopefully, Lara will get booted after a few episodes like Mila did.

[Cecilia]

Lara needs to go. She is rude, doesn't take directions well, nd I won't watch this show anymore as I can't take her rudeness and insubordination. The deck guys need to becareful how they joke around the boson. The boson needs to let them know that she is offended with their joke.  Speak up!

[Mr. Miner]

Probably a UO, but Malia getting one little compliment and crying in front of her "boys" was not a good look.

[snarts]

 

9 hours ago, TeeMo said:

Lara is totally 100% out of line but once again Hannah shows herself to be a crap manager. If I went to my boss after working with a new staff member for two days and said I would honestly be happier if she quit, she would not be having it at all and would question my ability to be an effective manager. 

I disagree, if a worker is endangering the the quality of guest experience and Lara's insubordination definitely was, it's Hannah's role to tell the Captain.  It should have been quite telling that Hannah offered to work a short-handed.  She knows Sandy, she wants to be involved in everything, she's a classic micro-manager.  So although we saw Hannah telling Sandy about her issues with Lara, she obviously chose not to believe her or sided with Lara.  Listen to her backtrack now, even before it actually aired  Snippet from pre-season interview

 "Wow," Sandy says of that interaction. "I was like, holy crap. I had no idea it was practically a fist fight in the galley. I didn't know that. Hannah doesn't tell me these things. I think if Hannah would come to me more often, I could help her navigate this."

"I always say to my crew, if you can't work it out downstairs and you bring it to me, someone usually gets fired. Who do you think I would've fired in that case?" she adds, saying she would’ve "immediately terminated" Lara had she known the truth about her behavior.

If Sandy was half the supportive manager/leader she thought we was, she would've quickly determined that the issue was Lara.  Ask the Chef his opinion, ask the third stew.  Heck, ask the deck crew who had to overhear everything.  Instead, because Hannah is far from her favorite, she sided with Lara and I can only guess how that works out for her.  So much for ensuring the best quest experience possible.

[spunky]

6 hours ago, PaperTree said:

A friend worked in Brazil for about 4 years.  Told me that Brazilians have zero concept of time.  Everybody is relaxed and nothing happens on time because there is always manana.  Totally alien to US culture.  I see that in Kiko.

I'm from the West indies and nothing happens on time for us Caribbean people either.  We have saying, "Anytime is West Indian time". However I've had to adjust now that I live in the States.  Poor Kiko will eventually adjust. 

[PaperTree]

1 hour ago, spunky said:

I'm from the West indies and nothing happens on time for us Caribbean people either.  We have saying, "Anytime is West Indian time". However I've had to adjust now that I live in the States.  Poor Kiko will eventually adjust. 

I know 🙂 I've been to St. Kitts many times and that's just the way it is.  Always a happy adjustment.

(Bob Marley playing in my head. Don't worry, about a thing.......)

[spunky]

3 minutes ago, PaperTree said:

I know 🙂 I've been to St. Kitts many times and that's just the way it is.  Always a happy adjustment.

(Bob Marley playing in my head. Don't worry, about a thing.......)

Kiko needs to be told that his lunch is needed at 11 am so that he'll be ready for 1pm. Poor sweet soul.

[TexasGal]

14 minutes ago, spunky said:

Kiko needs to be told that his lunch is needed at 11 am so that he'll be ready for 1pm. Poor sweet soul.

I was going to say the same!  My ex husband was perpetually late, and I eventually would tell him we needed to leave a half hour or forty-five minutes before we actually needed to.  I am a super on time person.  It gave me so much stress to always be late. 

[spunky]

1 minute ago, TexasGal said:

I was going to say the same!  My ex husband was perpetually late, and I eventually would tell him we needed to leave a half hour or forty-five minutes before we actually needed to.  I am a super on time person.  It gave me so much stress to always be late. 

For my grad school graduation,  I had to tell my Godmother that we had to be at the venue for 12pm , when we really needed to be there for 2pm. Some people have no concept of time. I would love to work with someone like Kiko,  who is so laid back and has a great sense of humor. 

[jrzy]

12 hours ago, whydoievencare said:

Lara is acting like she's the chief stew and she's telling Hannah to shape up.  I would have trouble restraining myself from decking her.  Hannah actually isn't the problem here.

The previous episode made it seem like Hannah was the problem, now its pretty clear who is being impossibly difficult and ridiculous.  This has to be scripted,  no way would someone in a subordinate position act that way.  

[dleighg]

5 minutes ago, jrzy said:

The previous episode made it seem like Hannah was the problem, now its pretty clear who is being impossibly difficult and ridiculous.  This has to be scripted,  no way would someone in a subordinate position act that way. 

Lara was pushing every button there was to push. I'm not a violent person but ....

She kind of reminded me of the worst times with my teenage daughter LOL (who's now 27 and just fine...)