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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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On 8/30/2023 at 3:27 PM, Desperado said:

As much as I enjoy Anna/Dante/Robert and Tracy/Finn convos, I can’t with the psychiatrist from hell threatening Sasha and will go back to skipping the show for a bit.

Overall the replacement writers have done a good job, but the Sasha torture porn has gone from unpleasant to plain uncomfortable to watch. At least when Anthony Z. murdered poor, helpless Siobhan McKenna in her hospital bed it was a one-and-done scene. We have to watch Sasha suffer two or three times weekly, not good. Not good at all.

On a more positive note, Kristina has become my favorite of the Davis Coven. With the self-esteem issues behind her, Krissy has an upbeat, level-headed personality, plus a very kind face and manner. Seems like the writers agree and we're seeing a lot of her now.

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I don't think Valentine turned Sonny in. Or at least he's not the primary person. That seems to be Cyrus.  

But the arrest is probably going to be premature, because Sonny planted incorrect delivery information. The infamous Pikeman shipment will probably turn out to be crates full of teddy bears.  

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9 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

yeah, I agree with this.  I liked MC well enough as Nikolas--and thought he had great chemistry with MW--but he didn't scream 'well bred European' to me. 

Agreed.  It was only Tyler who had that air.  I never saw a hint of it in MC.  It's true Huss doesn't have it either.  And Tyler's never coming back anymore than Billy Miller is, so I've learned to live with it. 

9 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I don't think Valentine turned Sonny in. Or at least he's not the primary person. That seems to be Cyrus.  

But the arrest is probably going to be premature, because Sonny planted incorrect delivery information. The infamous Pikeman shipment will probably turn out to be crates full of teddy bears.  

It was Cyrus!  I wonder if Nicholas is working with him?  Cyrus is his uncle, it could be.  

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2 hours ago, CeChase said:

It was Cyrus!  I wonder if Nicholas is working with him?  Cyrus is his uncle, it could be.  

Am I the only one who forgot that Cyrus is Nikolas's uncle?

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2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Am I the only one who forgot that Cyrus is Nikolas's uncle?

No. That family connection is not my favorite retcon, though I love the chem between MEK and GF.

I think Cyrus dropped the dime on Sonny. I can see Sonny being sent to Pentonville for a bit so he has some sort of showdown with Cyrus, but we all know Sonny will ultimately win, so zzzzz. Any time Sonny jousts with the law is a big old bore.

The show is still something of a disaster, but at least things are moving along. I am enjoying more individual scenes now than I have been. Maxie moving into Lulu and Dante's old house had some nice moments, as did the Sonny/Kristina dinner.

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Am I the only one just not feeling the Kristina storyline because I know this show can't afford to show it in actual detail? They didn't even show Port Charles High but they're going to be to somehow afford a whole set with a bunch of teens? The only way I can see this actually having a point is if Kristina or Molly/TJ wind up adopting a queer teenager. Which...honestly, that would be a nice update on an old soap trope. Could be like Laura on All My Children in the 90', but if she were gay. Maybe Kristina will meet a nice (adult) girl through working with the center.

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They didn't do too bad a job with the Dawn of Day set and I think they could do the same with the C-D foundation, mostly one room in a building and the occasional extra wandering in, and maybe a dayplayer or two with a storyline.

I was mildly interested in the Corinthos-Davis foundation at first, unlike Molly's infertility issues which I really don't care about. But since they first started teasing the storyline, I've noticed more and more school boards saying that teachers have to inform parents if the kids want to change their name or pronouns. With good parents it's not a problem, they probably already know. But with some parents, it's not safe to be diverse and these actions are taking away the safety of the school. The story that these kids needs a safe place to be could be something that soaps used to do in the best way --  present a difficult topic with sympathy and grace and maybe educate the audience. That's why  I want them to do a good job with the foundation and not just use it as a footnote.

20 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

It looked like a fruit roll up, unrolled.  Which would explain the comment about loss of appetite.  

That makes sense.

In my defence, that's exactly the kind of food (high sugar, strong food colouring) that parents of spectrum kids are told to stay away from.

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5 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I want them to do a good job with the foundation and not just use it as a footnote.

I can't remember the last story about a social issue that GH did a good job with. There certainly hasn't been one in at least the past five years.

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20 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I can't remember the last story about a social issue that GH did a good job with. There certainly hasn't been one in at least the past five years.

Neither can I, tbh. But I find it really rich of them doing a story like this when they've ignored their queer characters. Kristina was barely a blip on the radar. Lucas got lost somewhere in the hospital basement, Brad has dropped off the face of the earth since Britt died and Terri is not required.

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I don't admire that we rarely get to see or hear about the few LGBTQ characters (that we know of), but I do admire that their LGBTQ status isn't the sole focus of their storylines, just as it isn't the sole focus of the lives of LGBTQ persons.  

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13 hours ago, CeChase said:

It was Cyrus!

I think Cyrus is too obvious.  They were super heavy handed with the Cyrus scenes intercut with the Sonny scenes.  I think it will be Valentin or Sonny set it up himself and there is nothing in the boxes.  

Why would Sonny be arrested when the boxes said Pikeman on them.  The Feds had no proof that he knew the boxes were being dropped off or what was in them.  

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17 hours ago, statsgirl said:

The story that these kids needs a safe place to be could be something that soaps used to do in the best way --  present a difficult topic with sympathy and grace and maybe educate the audience. That's why  I want them to do a good job with the foundation and not just use it as a footnote.

I’m interested and holding out (admittedly limited) hope that the writers do a good job here but fear it might get swept to the side in favor of Kristina’s potential involvement in Molly/TJ’s baby SL, or out of the writers’ fear of tackling a difficult topic. IMO, Kate Mansi is also doing a nice job continuing the father/adult child chemistry that LA had with Mo. 

14 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

I think Cyrus is too obvious.  They were super heavy handed with the Cyrus scenes intercut with the Sonny scenes.  I think it will be Valentin or Sonny set it up himself and there is nothing in the boxes.  

There’s less-than-subtle foreshadowing (mentioning Nik about a dozen times Thursday before he popped up at the end of the episode) and then there’s Friday. That was a hailstorm of anvils. A Sonny self-set up is a great option here, given the falsified spreadsheets he left for the nanny to find. 

The Alexis/Spencer scenes didn’t have a lot of content other that setting up Nik’s return but I always like NLG and NAC’s scenes together. 

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8 minutes ago, mbluecpa said:

A Sonny self-set up is a great option here, given the falsified spreadsheets he left for the nanny to find. 

While it would be easy to spot in any other actor (except for acting student Dex), MB's lack of any humiliation (or any emotion that the actor was attempting to convey) in the elevator shot - in front of his son, daughter, fiancee, and grandchild being arrested - points towards a self-set up.

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On 9/1/2023 at 8:48 PM, Artsda said:

I'd like to see Kristina try to fill in for Sonny while he's in jail.  Let her be a Claudia Zachara type. 

I'd like her to be a casualty in the "war."

There's a poetic slant to her dying just like her Aunt Kristina did.

Of course, we'd get NLG and her shrieking acting, but that is one reason the FFwd button was invented.

The show hasn't had a death in a while that would stir the pot. It's time. And if true vets like Felicia and Ned only get one kid(alive), Sonny and Alexis can take one for the team.

Absolutely none of this has anything to do with the fact that Kristina has never had a point other than to be annoying. Or that I've lobster hated her since she let people think Ethan abused her.

It's past time to correct course.

 

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6 hours ago, IWantCandy71 said:

The show hasn't had a death in a while that would stir the pot. It's time. And if true vets like Felicia and Ned only get one kid(alive)

Except Ned has Leo and Brooke, so... (Yes, Leo is adopted, but he is still Ned's!)

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10 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:
17 hours ago, IWantCandy71 said:

The show hasn't had a death in a while that would stir the pot. It's time. And if true vets like Felicia and Ned only get one kid(alive)

Except Ned has Leo and Brooke, so... (Yes, Leo is adopted, but he is still Ned's!)

AS to me is hit or miss.  She is a 'miss' with Chase but not with Cody.  Amanda comes across most times with the emotional range of a college student but I have also seen some glimpses of a solid soap actress.  Between having Ned as her father and Tracy as her grandmother and Sonny as a fave - she must have some 'mischievous' characteristics.  She's seems to continually play a victim (slashed throat of a professional singer aside) and it's time for her to get 'dirty' (and something a bit more underhanded than doing something to keep Chase singing instead of gun slinging).  If they are going to keep the mob stuff, perhaps Amanda would be a better mobstress than Kristina.

If Leo is offed, the wailing from Olivia and Brooke would be bad but the only folks affected would be Olivia, Ned, Brooke, Tracy and Aunt Ava.  Then again, it'd be worth it to have JE and MW share some scenes planning some glorious retribution against the murderer. 

BTW - OMG - James (Maxie's boy) is lightning in a bottle.  What a cutie and scene stealer.  The new house orientation seemed to have some genuine smiles.  It is enjoyable for this viewer to watch actors (KS and KW) enjoying themselves while honing their craft.

 

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I am caught in the stupid Charter/Spectrum vs. Disney hissy fit, so at least I won't miss today's episode. (I know there are other options to watch.) Good thing I'm not a huge tennis fan, or I'd be incandescent with rage at this.

I realized that GH is probably the only thing I watch on ABC, so it's not a giant inconvenience. I bet Disney is going to play hardball because of the writer's and actor's strikes. Bob Iger hasn't been the most accommodating negotiator.

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3 hours ago, sunnyface said:

AS to me is hit or miss.  She is a 'miss' with Chase but not with Cody. 

I agree but my enthusiasm is a bit iffier, as the actors played very cute grifter siblings towards the end of OLTL.  But if they can liven up GH, it might be worth repressing those memories. Most of the couples are duds right now. (Btw, how did that happen?)

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I know why Kelly's has become more popular with the Carlys working the Counter now. It's their "Kelly's World-Famous BLT Special - Now with 50% more long blond hairs at no charge!!!!" There's a method to the "no hair nets" madness.

Catching up on past episodes, I'm loving Cyrus the Reformer!  With all that scenery-chewing on Friday, it's like he's parodying every televangelist that ever lived.  Oh, where have you gone, Reverend Ike?

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5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I am caught in the stupid Charter/Spectrum vs. Disney hissy fit, so at least I won't miss today's episode. (I know there are other options to watch.) Good thing I'm not a huge tennis fan, or I'd be incandescent with rage at this.

I realized that GH is probably the only thing I watch on ABC, so it's not a giant inconvenience. I bet Disney is going to play hardball because of the writer's and actor's strikes. Bob Iger hasn't been the most accommodating negotiator.

I'm caught in the insanity as well so I decided to get Hulu (just for the month free trial) and hopefully they resolve their differences before then...I watched Friday's episode and was pleasantly surprised that the commercials are shorter than channel 7...

 

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On 9/1/2023 at 9:32 PM, Cheyanne11 said:

I liked MC well enough as Nikolas--and thought he had great chemistry with MW--but he didn't scream 'well bred European' to me. 

 

On 9/2/2023 at 7:15 AM, CeChase said:

Agreed.  It was only Tyler who had that air.  I never saw a hint of it in MC.  It's true Huss doesn't have it either.  And Tyler's never coming back anymore than Billy Miller is, so I've learned to live with it.

And Coltin Scott/Stephen Martines definitely didn't have it. Nor did Nick Stabile, who finished out TC's final storyline. 

However, even with Tyler in the role, the actor needs guidance from the writing. The various regimes often haven't written Nikolas as well bred, sophisticated, and of an aristocratic background. It's as though they only remember this occasionally. Sometimes even his grammar has been substandard ("If I would've known..." instead of "If I had known..." or "Had I known..."). 

Mileage will vary on this part, but getting an actor who strongly conveys being descended from old-world aristocracy is not the all-important factor to me. Nikolas has spent more years in Port Charles than not since he was 15 years old (though played by a 23-year-old), and so it makes sense for him to seem more modern and assimilated than his relatives of earlier generations such as Stefan, Victor, and Helena. Certainly, we don't need to look far in the real world to find princes who are not exactly dignified and aloof in the way they carry themselves. 

So, if I like the actor otherwise, I'll give some ground on that. I just wish Nikolas were written with more consistency and as a valued character. I've said it before, but the last time it seemed he was on a writing regime's favored list was the Nem era (with Natalia Livingston's Emily). Since then, he's mostly schemed ineffectually and had things blow up in his face.

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On 9/3/2023 at 2:55 PM, IWantCandy71 said:

The show hasn't had a death in a while that would stir the pot. It's time.

Can it please be NuMolly? I wasn’t a HP fan, but this recast is like nails on a chalkboard. Just give NuKristina all of Molly’s storylines and make her go away.

15 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

I know why Kelly's has become more popular with the Carlys working the Counter now. It's their "Kelly's World-Famous BLT Special - Now with 50% more long blond hairs at no charge!!!!"

While the hair is inexcusable, it’s the clothes that really bother me. Who wears a silk jacket and white blouse to work a diner? And is Carly supposed to be the one cooking the meals, because I never see anyone else there? If they want us to believe that Carly would ever feel comfortable among the riffraff, at least make her dress the part. (And yes, that includes giant hairnet to hold all the hair extensions— something I would love to see just for visual effect.)

Re. Nick: I have never thought that Nik was cast properly. TC did a decent job of giving him a formal air, but he was a little too slouchy and lumbering to really carry it off.  But in terms of giving princely vibes, I agree he was best. Stabile had none of that, but I liked his chemistry with Ava so I would have accepted more of him. MC was by far my favorite Nik, even though, again, he lacked the formality of someone raised as a prince. He just had charisma and chemistry (with everyone) to spare. I won’t even discuss Coltin Scott.

With all the time they had to do a decent search, I wish they would have tried harder to find someone who embodied all the qualities of Nik: the regal bearing, the imperialist nature, the sexy charm. There are tons of out of work actors… would it really be that hard?

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On 9/5/2023 at 7:09 AM, 30 Helens said:

Re. Nick: I have never thought that Nik was cast properly. TC did a decent job of giving him a formal air, but he was a little too slouchy and lumbering to really carry it off.  But in terms of giving princely vibes, I agree he was best.

Original recipe Nik was always my favorite, but...looking at old YT videos, TC actually was rather lumbering.

Never noticed that before. Nice catch @30 Helens

ETA: Being a guy, I never considered that one or both of the Carlys may be wearing weaves. I always thought LW's Mane of golden, luxurious hair was all hers - it's one of Carly Sr's most re-deeming traits.

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I don't usually watch repeats but did catch yesterday's. It isn't the greatest idea to remind us of how much we've lost. Liesel and Scott being cute, Victor and Ava being devious, Nik and Spencer having a bonding moment before Spencer learns that Nik and Esme slept together. I even liked Terry and Yuri getting Leo's love potion. (No comment on Carly and Drew steaming up the boat house.)

I do appreciate that the substitute writers are moving things along but the show is so grim now in comparison. 

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On 9/1/2023 at 8:20 PM, superdeluxe said:

The only Nikolas that had that had the whole princely air about him was Tyler.

Agreed.  Tyler is THE Nikolas, the others have just been middling replacements in my opinion.  Adam is ok but I do think he would be more suited to playing a character in Sonny’s organization than playing a supposedly cultured prince.

On 9/1/2023 at 7:14 PM, TVbitch said:

It could be a red herring, but Charlotte got a bit creepy with her "Yes Papa, just the two of us" comment to Valentin. I was like, OMG, is she the one going after Anna?! Didn't they start to take Charlotte down a dark path when she was younger, with her putting snakes in someone's bag or something. Is her Cassadine coming out again? 

Ha, I was thinking the same thing!  Charlotte has always been very territorial about Valentin, she didn’t even like Nina at first (I think). I really enjoy the actress who plays Charlotte and I’m glad she’s back.

On 9/1/2023 at 2:18 PM, mbluecpa said:

I also assume they’re building up the Cody as hero positioning given that JK is now clean-shaven and is wearing t-shirts a size smaller. 

There is nothing they can do to make Cody happen for me.  He is just an annoying character that should never have existed in the first place.  Next!

On 9/1/2023 at 2:04 PM, statsgirl said:

don't like Georgie but the actress looks like she might be KW's granddaughter.

Is Georgie still being played by KSt’s real life daughter?  I thought I read somewhere that was the case but I don’t know if they’ve cast someone else.

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If they're going to fill in holiday hours with old episodes, I wish they'd go deeper into the vault.  Might have been nice to find a Bobbie-centric episode to tide us over until whatever kind of tribute they give us.  

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Today’s episode is a struggle to get through. What I really hate is when anyone in the Corinthii circle lead a storyline (current case is Sonny being arrested), we’ll see the lead SL followed by 2-4 scenes of other characters discussing what’s going on with said character, leaving about 5 minutes of something unrelated for those of us who have zero interest in Sonny/Carly/the other Carly’s. This happened constantly whenever Michael/Willow got central focus. The principle story is bad enough and usually not interesting enough to warrant multiple scenes where other characters recap something we just saw or speculate what’s going to happen.  

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6 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

ETA: Being a guy, I never considered that one or both of the Carlys may be wearing weaves. I always thought LW's Mane of golden, luxurious hair was all hers - it's one of Carly Sr's most re-seeming traits.

it is LW's real hair. It's naturally thick and curly but they blow it straight for the character.

15 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

Is Georgie still being played by KSt’s real life daughter?  I thought I read somewhere that was the case but I don’t know if they’ve cast someone else.

No, that was a one-off when they first introduced the character as a child. 

10 minutes ago, JMO said:

If they're going to fill in holiday hours with old episodes, I wish they'd go deeper into the vault.  Might have been nice to find a Bobbie-centric episode to tide us over until whatever kind of tribute they give us.  

not a chance. That would mean paying residuals to long-gone actors. Not to mention royalties for any music that was played in the episode.

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Is Pikeman a legit company or is it on the list of terrorist organizations? Because if it's the former, then there should be no problem with them moving product through Sonny's dock. I always thought of Pikeman like Blackwater -- everyone knows that they do awful things but they still get government contracts.

Why would Sonny being arrested affect whether he is still protecting Drew? If Cyrus can run a whole criminal network from jail, surely Sonny still has enough status to be able to protect Drew.

Ava's look of disgust when Mason told her what it would be like if he were in her bed in the morning was a thing of beauty.

Maxie: "But we don't know what evidence Tracy actually has to prove that the design of the Deceptor was her idea and not your's and that she created it first."  Finally, someone is thinking.

And again, if Lucy can show that Deception developed the product, then it could be a case of parallel development.

8 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Can it please be NuMolly? I wasn’t a HP fan, but this recast is like nails on a chalkboard. Just give NuKristina all of Molly’s storylines and make her go away.

I second that, except that Molly isn't Sonny's child so no cost to him. At this point, between working at Charlies, the foundation helping LGBTQ kids and being pansexual, there is much more interesting storyline for Kristina than for Molly.

8 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

With all the time they had to do a decent search, I wish they would have tried harder to find someone who embodied all the qualities of Nik: the regal bearing, the imperialist nature, the sexy charm. There are tons of out of work actors… would it really be that hard?

Seconded. I know that there is a great deal of affection for TC but he never struck me as European nobility. And the recasts have even less of that and of Helen's 'look down her nose' class and arrogance.

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Seconded. I know that there is a great deal of affection for TC but he never struck me as European nobility. And the recasts have even less of that and of Helen's 'look down her nose' class and arrogance.

I think teen Nik was the closest but it was probably helped by the fact that he was a 20 something playing a 16 year old and they wrote him as more stuffy and serious than the average teen so of course he came off more mature. Adult Nikolas never has, not in the way that Helena and Stefan did. Those were the only 2 Cassadines that truly embodied European snobs to me. 

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LOL at Michael's face when Carly told him she already knew about Sonny's arrest.

All this talk about Sonny going to prison for life is just that—talk. We know he won't be there for long, if he ever gets there.

Gee, Dante, is it really a surprise that the FBI won't tell a PCPD detective why Sonny was arrested? And a PCPD detective who is Sonny's son? Dante usually isn't so stupid about this sort of thing.

I know Lucy is self-centered, but I really hope Tracy's lawsuit against Deception is about more than getting back at Lucy, because at this point, that is exceptionally weak sauce.

I shuddered when Carly told Jocelyn she had to keep her phone on at all times in case Carly needed her. Way to let your daughter live her own life, though boundaries have never been a strong point of Carly's.

More LOL that Elizabeth is a killer on the softball field.

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If Cyrus is the big-baddie behind all of the business with Mason/Austin/Ava, is it possible that HE passed the false information Sonny planted to the FBI--and that's the evidence the FBI is counting on to put Sonny away for life?   If so, they're in for a big surprise.

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So Nik has his memory just fine. He just choosing to stay there and not leave. 

All the Sonny is too smart, blah blah.   He wouldn't get caught.  He's not that smart. 

Willow accused Michael of turning Sonny in and it's off screen? She actually says something interesting. 

Dex the new enforcer threw the flash drive in a public trashcan?  Dante was right with saying Sonny has no Jason. 

Michael suddenly cares about Sonny going to jail. Dante I bought his concern, not Michael suddenly caring. 

Doesn't the photo look like an empty crate? Jackpot over empty box?

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I thought the FBI had pics of crates. They are not open. Sonny did seem concern though. Did anyone notice that Cyrus had a hearing aid in his left ear for one scene and not the next. Maybe he doesn't even want to hear Drew either.  

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3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I shuddered when Carly told Jocelyn she had to keep her phone on at all times in case Carly needed her. Way to let your daughter live her own life, though boundaries have never been a strong point of Carly's.

Except didn't Carly say a while back that if Sonny was arrested and the other mob groups and my, PC seems to have alot of them, perceived him to be in a weakened position, that all of his family would be in danger?  I don't think it was unreasonable in this situation for Carly to tell Joss that she needs to be reachable at all times.

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17 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Can it please be NuMolly? I wasn’t a HP fan, but this recast is like nails on a chalkboard. Just give NuKristina all of Molly’s storylines and make her go away.

Well, you know...double your pleasure, double your fun !

Off with both their heads ! You get a free kill, I get a free kill !

Free kills all around !

Lily-fy both of them at the same time, but no one is allowed to ever mention them again, and no revenge plots.

 

This show  isn't trying to say THE Tracy Quartermaine's motivation is revenge against Lucy Coe, right ?

There is more to come. Right ?

Because no way does Tracy give that idiot more than a passing thought.

The fact that Lucy thinks so though, just emphasizes what a narcissist Lucy is and has always been. I just can't.

 

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18 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Being a guy, I never considered that one or both of the Carlys may be wearing weaves. I always thought LW's Mane of golden, luxurious hair was all hers - it's one of Carly Sr's most re-seeming traits.

I can’t say for certain in this case, but it’s common practice for actresses to augment their tresses (even full, luxurious ones) with extensions. It adds height and a little extra oomph without having to work the hair as hard. Either way, LW certainly has gorgeous hair. (I’d encourage her to go back to curly, though— I preferred it that way.)

12 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

Adam is ok but I do think he would be more suited to playing a character in Sonny’s organization than playing a supposedly cultured prince.

 

I agree. This show gets further and further away from European royalty with every recast. At this point, they should just throw in the towel and declare him another one of Sonny’s long lost spawn.  (KIDDING)

5 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

and that Kelly's has enough employees to field a team.

But certainly Carly has enough heart and courage to play ALL the positions! I believe I just heard that she’s one “wild” pitcher. And now I want to see one of these games, because I’m imagining Carly on the pitcher’s mound in a fitted silk jacket and high heels.

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