Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Cheyanne11]

11 hours ago, Vella said:

I think my overall issue is that Joss seemed more in tune with fighting Esme than caring about Trina.

Or having sex with Cam.

[CanaryFan98]

21 hours ago, racked said:

I’m assuming they didn’t want to build a kitchen set but wanted to show her adding the drugs.  

NY has revenge porn laws so she could go to jail for releasing the tape and I’m doubting that she paid in cash for the phone so it could be traced back to her. She needs better supervillain lessons and trying to get them from mute Ryan via osmosis doesn’t seem to be working. 

Was this used when Kyle did this to Maxie years ago?

[dubbel zout]

8 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Was this used when Kyle did this to Maxie years ago?

If by "this" you mean revenge porn, yes. (There weren't any laws against it back then, so Maxie didn't have much legal recourse.)

[CanaryFan98]

55 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

If by "this" you mean revenge porn, yes. (There weren't any laws against it back then, so Maxie didn't have much legal recourse.)

Yes it was in the early 2000s back when Robyn Richards was in the role.

[statsgirl]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

If this were a better soap, they'd be snowed in for at least three days.

With Esme and Spencer.  And maybe a dead body.

[Ambrosefolly]

I still don't know why Cam would want to be in relationship with that judgmental cow Joslyn? She judged him for daring to accuse Jason of killing Franco and didn't apologize for being an asshole to him. She isn't hot or interesting enough to overcome her personality disorder. I don't like Franco and wish one of the victims' family members took him out, but wtf.  So what, there is only Trina and Joss? He can't talk to another girl? When Georgie and Dillon where getting together, they showed the connection they had. They had complimentary interests and abandonment issues. 

[ffwbe]

My take is that if they want to claim Joss is a good friend like they try to say in the dialogue, maybe show a single instance of her actually being a good fiend and being there for one of her peers. Because she isn’t with Trina and wasn’t with Cam before they got together. If they want her to be a mini Carly, fine, but we know Carly’s relationships are one sided. The way she comes off is that she claims to fight with Esme on Trina’s behalf but she’s just itching for a fight and uses it as an excuse. Idk it’s not a good look to say that least and even worse when the friend in question is a POC. 

Edited January 30, 2022 by ffwbe

[Daisy]

11 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

My take is that if they want to claim Joss is a good friend like they try to say in the dialogue, maybe show a single instance of her actually being a good fiend and being there for one of her peers. Because she isn’t with Trina and wasn’t with Cam before they got together. If they want her to be a mini Carly, fine, but we know Carly’s relationships are one sided. The way she comes off is that she claims to fight with Esme on Trina’s behalf but she’s just itching for a fight and uses it as an excuse. Idk it’s not a good look to say that least and even worse when the friend in question is a POC. 

honestly why is it worse because the friend in question is a person of colour? it sucks period, i'm not sure why its worse because Trina's black? (and i'm asking this as a person of colour).

(lol and i know it's a typo. but i mean they already show her being a good fiend ;) )

[Mirabelle]

Or Esme would have drugged them all and one or all of the following happens:

1) Spencer burns down the cabin and in his panic at possibly going from baby prison to grown up prison, lays the blame on Joss figuring she is least likely to suffer serious consequences because Sonny is her stepfather. Joss has no memory of what happened and Esme is determined to make sure it stays that way.

2) Trina is injured in the fire - maybe temporarily paralyzed or suffers burns - and Spencer feels guilty and tries to make amends (after going to baby prison).

3) Cam saves Esme from the fire and she becomes obsessed with him. 

4) Nelle shows up - she's been working with Esme all along - kidnaps Joss, sets the cabin on fire, and 2 and 3 happen. 

[Melgaypet]

37 minutes ago, Daisy said:

honestly why is it worse because the friend in question is a person of colour? it sucks period, i'm not sure why its worse because Trina's black? (and i'm asking this as a person of colour).

I'm not @ffwbe, obviously, but my take on it being worse is that it follows a pattern of this show disrespecting their Black characters. In isolation, this would just be Joss being a shitty friend. Pulling the view out a bit, and it's the show's white teen princess, heiress both literal and figurative to the female lead, treating her Black friend (and the only person of color in the teen scene) less like a genuine friend and more as an excuse to further her feud with her nemesis.

 I feel like I'm not explaining this very well. This whole thing just played to me like it wasn't about Trina's feelings at all, or even Joss and Trina's friendship. It's all about how much Joss hates Esme. Trina's not a character, she's an object.

[YaddaYadda]

20 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

 I feel like I'm not explaining this very well. This whole thing just played to me like it wasn't about Trina's feelings at all, or even Joss and Trina's friendship. It's all about how much Joss hates Esme. Trina's not a character, she's an object.

No, it wasn't about Trina. It was about Joss's feelings and her hatred of Esme and how she was right all along. 

This should be Trina's storyline if anything. She is the one Spencer is hanging out with and is listening to and likes. She is the one who was drugged by Esme, but somehow they managed to make it about Joss just like they make everything about Carly and Sonny. 

Trina doesn't get to be the lead in her own story. She gets to sit on the sidelines, which is really on par with the writing on this show anyway.

It has nothing to do with Trina's skin color, imo. It has to do with the writers' inability and lack of imagination and how they handle the stories that have nothing to do with their leads that then for some reason become about their leads.

Edited January 30, 2022 by YaddaYadda

[dubbel zout]

It's not just this show; historically, characters that aren't white have been treated in a very shallow manner, as well as being considered disposable. It's like the red shirts on Star Trek: They're cannon fodder, and you know they won't last long.

1 minute ago, YaddaYadda said:

Trina doesn't get to be the lead in her own story.

A continual problem on this fakakta show.

[Suicidy]

On 1/28/2022 at 12:27 AM, ffwbe said:

I never get the purpose behind Esme’s plots. It feels like she schemes just to scheme without any type of goal. She lucked into Trina confessing how she felt because otherwise, nothing would have happened other than Trina getting sick and possibly passing out.
 

Also, I think Joss is a self involved and doesn’t truly consider Trina’s feelings. I don’t think she’s lashing out at Esme on Trina’s behalf. It’s because she doesn’t want to acknowledge that she’s not the greatest friend and it’s easier to say that Esme manipulated Trina into saying what she did. While I don’t believe that it’s all on Joss, I don’t believe that Joss would have made a different choice knowing how Trina felt and the show also doesn’t want to paint Joss in a bad light so they ignored it and always had Trina bow out to avoid conflict or messiness. 
 

Idk while I enjoy Trina as a character, I find her place in this teen group to be problematic. She’s been on the show for a few years now and has never had a love interest. There’s been 4 guys her age. Oscar was in an established relationship with Joss, Dev and Cameron both preferred Joss and while Spencer seems to have feelings for her, he has a gf and I don’t think they’re splitting up anytime soon the way they drag things out. Even if they plan to pair Spencer and Trina later on down the line, they could have given her an interim pairing but instead they chose to leave her as the fifth wheel. 

Because it’s not a hot chick like her at college wouldn’t be asked out all the time or go to college parties and hook up or anything.  Of course if she ever DID go partying and drank or smoked some pot, there would have to be a lesson learned and she never does it again.  Or they would go through another hackneyed, played out addiction storyline.

[Suicidy]

On 1/28/2022 at 3:29 PM, Melgaypet said:

I said on Twitter awhile ago that I didn't know whether I wanted Esme to seduce Joss or ruin her life. Now I want both.

I would prefer emphasis on Esme seducing Joss.  Maybe for sweeps.

[Suicidy]

On 1/28/2022 at 2:53 PM, jacourt said:

Well if Esme uses that video to do something to Joss she is opening up a can of whoop ass.  Maybe she will try to blackmail for money. 

That would be incredibly unrealistic.  There are so many sex videos college kids put on the internet willingly, it would be like adding a grain of sand to a desert.  Especially since they’re two people in a relationship with each other.  If I met them I would assume they’re w been doing it for awhile.  But in the GH universe everyone waits until 18 or 21 or whatever.

also, the whole th8ng where Trina got sick isn’t really a big deal.  There was always one or two people like that at every lefty I ever went to in high school, let alone college.  None of them ever had to go to the hospital or OD’.  It takes a lot to do that and teens are physically resilient.

[Suicidy]

On 1/28/2022 at 8:16 PM, DanaK said:

What if Esme releases it on the Internet?

So?  Who would even care?  Other than Carly freaking out.  But Carly freaks out constantly, so not a big deal.  College kids put their phone videos on the web all the time anymore.

[Suicidy]

3 hours ago, Mirabelle said:

Or Esme would have drugged them all and one or all of the following happens:

1) Spencer burns down the cabin and in his panic at possibly going from baby prison to grown up prison, lays the blame on Joss figuring she is least likely to suffer serious consequences because Sonny is her stepfather. Joss has no memory of what happened and Esme is determined to make sure it stays that way.

2) Trina is injured in the fire - maybe temporarily paralyzed or suffers burns - and Spencer feels guilty and tries to make amends (after going to baby prison).

3) Cam saves Esme from the fire and she becomes obsessed with him. 

4) Nelle shows up - she's been working with Esme all along - kidnaps Joss, sets the cabin on fire, and 2 and 3 happen. 

5). Since only Spencer and Esme have been getting laid up til this point.  The drugs, isolation, and being backed up for their entire adolescence  takes its toll and it turns into a sexual five way free for all.  With Esme egging things along.  
 

that would leave plenty of room for embarrassment, shame, confusing, etc. later on.  Lots of scenes with Joss, Cam and Trina whining about their good time.

[YaddaYadda]

8 minutes ago, Suicidy said:

So?  Who would even care?  Other than Carly freaking out.  But Carly freaks out constantly, so not a big deal.  College kids put their phone videos on the web all the time anymore.

There's a difference between someone releasing a video they recorded of themselves and doing so willingly and someone who has no idea they are being recorded and then having their sex life splashed all over the web. 

[Suicidy]

3 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

I'm not @ffwbe, obviously, but my take on it being worse is that it follows a pattern of this show disrespecting their Black characters. In isolation, this would just be Joss being a shitty friend. Pulling the view out a bit, and it's the show's white teen princess, heiress both literal and figurative to the female lead, treating her Black friend (and the only person of color in the teen scene) less like a genuine friend and more as an excuse to further her feud with her nemesis.

 I feel like I'm not explaining this very well. This whole thing just played to me like it wasn't about Trina's feelings at all, or even Joss and Trina's friendship. It's all about how much Joss hates Esme. Trina's not a character, she's an object.

To be fair, this show disrespects nearly all of its characters.

[racked]

39 minutes ago, Suicidy said:

. I never get the purpose behind Esme’s plots. It feels like she schemes just to scheme without any type of goal. She lucked into Trina confessing how she felt because otherwise, nothing would have happened other than Trina getting sick and possibly passing ou

Very true, she also lucked into Cam and Joss still having sex despite all of this. This storyline was such a letdown after the months of hype. Everyone was right to know it would end up sucking. And I agree with everyone, Trina was an afterthought in this story.  

Edited January 31, 2022 by racked

[Suicidy]

1 minute ago, YaddaYadda said:

There's a difference between someone releasing a video they recorded of themselves and doing so willingly and someone who has no idea they are being recorded and then having their sex life splashed all over the web. 

It would be embarrassing, but not all that much.  Like I said, I’m college that would barely raise an eyebrow.  If it were me, I would be pissed, but I wouldn’t freak out over it.  Sex videos of real couples on the web are almost ubiquitous anymore.

[Semiglued]

19 minutes ago, Suicidy said:

It would be embarrassing, but not all that much.  Like I said, I’m college that would barely raise an eyebrow.  If it were me, I would be pissed, but I wouldn’t freak out over it.  Sex videos of real couples on the web are almost ubiquitous anymore.

Very strongly disagree with you, especially for young women. there have been many articles about how young girls are deeply emotionally scarred by similar situations. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by Jma14

[YaddaYadda]

25 minutes ago, Suicidy said:

It would be embarrassing, but not all that much.  Like I said, I’m college that would barely raise an eyebrow.  If it were me, I would be pissed, but I wouldn’t freak out over it.  Sex videos of real couples on the web are almost ubiquitous anymore.

Completely disagree with you. Treating it as being not a big deal is what gives some people license to post stuff like this online without the consent of the person who is concerned by it. 

Embarrassing doesn't even begin to cover the impact this sort of bullshit has on the victims. And that's what Joss is, even without Esme posting the clip online. She's a victim.

So yes. It is a big deal.

Edited January 31, 2022 by YaddaYadda

[Tenshinhan]

6 hours ago, Daisy said:

honestly why is it worse because the friend in question is a person of colour? it sucks period, i'm not sure why its worse because Trina's black? (and i'm asking this as a person of colour).

It's always going to be worse when the friend is Black.  The only Black woman in the group being drugged by a White woman to be used as a tool to further her schemes, while the Black woman is then left alone and forgotten by her supposed White friends.  It's a White-dominated and White-centered story that only dehumanizes and devalues Black women and people of color.

[Suicidy]

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Completely disagree with you. Treating it as being not a big deal is what gives some people license to post stuff like this online without the consent of the person who is concerned by it. 

Embarrassing doesn't even begin to cover the impact this sort of bullshit has on the victims. And that's what Joss is, even without Esme posting the clip online. She's a victim.

So yes. It is a big deal.

I wasn’t speaking from a psychological perspective.  What I mean is that socially it isn’t nearly as big a deal as it used to be.  She won’t be disowned, kicked out of college, ostracized by her peers, etc.. could it be hard on her emotionally?  Sure.  I don’t disagree at all with that.  And given that Joss is a chip off the old Shebeast, she’s most certainly going to go for some payback on Esme.

[Ambrosefolly]

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

It's always going to be worse when the friend is Black.  The only Black woman in the group being drugged by a White woman to be used as a tool to further her schemes, while the Black woman is then left alone and forgotten by her supposed White friends.  It's a White-dominated and White-centered story that only dehumanizes and devalues Black women and people of color.

So it would be less bad if it was a white woman that this was done too? It is a shitty thing because it is a shitty thing. Skin color is irrelevant.

Edited January 31, 2022 by Ambrosefolly

[Artsda]

Quote

Trina doesn't get to be the lead in her own story.

With the schedule they're working around, may be she can't. They could have recast then Trina would have been on as much as Esme, but the show is working with the actress.

[Tenshinhan]

10 minutes ago, Ambrosefolly said:

So it would be less bad if it was a white woman that this was done too? 

Correct, it would not be as bad if it were a white woman.

 

23 minutes ago, Ambrosefolly said:

Skin color is irrelevant.

Race is always relevant.  We live in a society in which Blackness and Black womanhood are normally devalued in favor of Whiteness.  Television and media are components and reflections of society.  So naturally, the portrayal of race in fiction will be an important subject.

[Ambrosefolly]

3 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

Race is always relevant.  We live in a society in which Blackness and Black womanhood are normally devalued in favor of Whiteness.  Television and media are components and reflections of society.  So naturally, the portrayal of race in fiction will be an important subject.

I don't believe that somehow feelings are more important because of one's race. That if Trina was white, it wouldn't be as bad. If race is going to supersede everything else, why the hell should I relate to Trina's plight? (and no, I am not white)

[Cobalt Stargazer]

3 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Correct, it would not be as bad if it were a white woman.

As much as I hate Joss, and with good reason, I don't know if I can get behind that, and that's just one example. I was kind of under the impression that women being drugged (like Lulu, for instance, during that whole nastiness with Stavros) was definitely seen as her being violated, not something that "wasn't as bad" due to her being white. Like, what yardstick are we using here? That Trina's autonomy matters but another character's wouldn't?

[Tenshinhan]

14 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Like, what yardstick are we using here? That Trina's autonomy matters but another character's wouldn't?

In the context of race, Trina's situation would be more important.  It's not that a white woman in Trina's position being violated and discarded wouldn't be a bad thing.  It's that for Trina and Black identity, it's far worse.  

 

32 minutes ago, Ambrosefolly said:

If race is going to supersede everything else, why the hell should I relate to Trina's plight?

Race is only one aspect of Trina's story.  It doesn't necessarily supersede everything else.  But it does deserve the appropriate attention and consideration, given its importance.

[Ambrosefolly]

On 1/31/2022 at 1:05 AM, Tenshinhan said:

In the context of race, Trina's situation would be more important.  It's not that a white woman in Trina's position being violated and discarded wouldn't be a bad thing.  It's that for Trina and Black identity, it's far worse.  

 

Race is only one aspect of Trina's story.  It doesn't necessarily supersede everything else.  But it does deserve the appropriate attention and consideration, given its importance.

You know what, I don't care about Trina's blackness. I don't like it when anyone is drugged without their consent. For example, I think that Cardi B is a piece of shit for drugging men and robbing them and was even bigger piece of shit saying she did it to survive, even though she was making a lot of money as a stripper. 

Now, I do think GH is a racist show because over the last twenty years, JFP/Guza walked back on the diversity that late 80s-mid 90s introduced, when they wrote out and killed off black characters that were part of core families. I didn't love Valerie, but considering that the women that FV created are out right murderers and kidnappers, Valerie having an affair with Dante was relatively minor and she should have been given Kiki's MeeToo storyline. I think the problem lies is that TPTB are afraid to write any BIPOC with an extreme personality, like Ava, for fear of being called racist, but then get bored writing them so sanitized so they are forgotten about. It also doesn't help they are supremely bad dialogue and storyline writers. 

Trina wasn't drugged and forgotten about because she was black; she was drugged and forgotten about because Esme and Joss suck and they would have been like that no matter the sex or race of Trina. 

This isn't the first time a female character has been sidelined. RH's Liz rape storyline was handed over to Roger Hogworth in order to make him more sympathetic, and she is a white woman with over 20 years on GH. 

Edited February 1, 2022 by Ambrosefolly

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, Ambrosefolly said:

So it would be less bad if it was a white woman that this was done too? It is a shitty thing because it is a shitty thing. Skin color is irrelevant.

this is how I feel. again I'm speaking as a person of colour - it was a crap thing period. It's not crappier because Trina is black. It's not the first time someone being drugged happened on a soap. (and it won't be the last time either).  I don't think Esme's doing what she's doing has racial undertones to it. so It really... confuses me for lack of a better term that it's worse because it's happening to a POC. 

I don't get that anything that Esme is doing to Trina is because she's black. a chunk of this is Trina's storyline but I think it involves everyone, not just Trina.  (and i don't know if some of it is due to the availability of  the actresses involved or what not, and sure i will always throw the writers under the bus because holy sugar they took forever to get here, and it ended in 5 scenes), so I don't feel Trina herself is being diminished in the storyline aspect either. 

[Ambrosefolly]

Too bad Sri Rao is booked. He was able to write a diverse show without it feeling forced and wasn't obsessed with destroying GH history. 

[dbklmt]

31 minutes ago, Ambrosefolly said:

Too bad Sri Rao is booked. He was able to write a diverse show without it feeling forced and wasn't obsessed with destroying GH history. 

Who is Sri Rao?

[Daisy]

8 hours ago, dbklmt said:

Who is Sri Rao?

Probably Awesome Writer :)

[ouinason]

He wrote Night Shift

[Auntie Velvet]

On 1/28/2022 at 11:16 PM, DanaK said:

What if Esme releases it on the Internet?

Well, that's what I meant. 

[Sake614]

11 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

Too bad Sri Rao is booked. He was able to write a diverse show without it feeling forced and wasn't obsessed with destroying GH history. 

Man he was awesome! But wasn’t he  presented the opportunity to write GH full time and eclined, saying he had zero interest? Or was he just asked if he would consider it snd said no?

[dubbel zout]

Rao had no interest in writing for GH full-time. I don't blame him—it's a real grind. I have a certain sympathy for some of the coasting the show does for that reason—writing more than 100 episodes a year takes its toll—but the lack of creativity is inexcusable from the current regime. I know that soaps have their tropes and the show still wants to honor those, but the stories we're getting have no spark of energy at all.

Edited January 31, 2022 by dubbel zout
grammar

[Daisy]

7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Rao had no interest in writing for GH full-time. I don't blame him—it's a real grind. I have a certain sympathy for some of the coasting the show does for that reason—writing more than 100 episodes a year takes its toll—but the lack of creativity is inexcusable from the current regime. I know that soap has its trope and the show still wants to honor those, but the stories we're getting have no spark of energy at all.

 

it also doesn't help when the bad writing gets nominated for the Emmy. (I mean i know we only have what? 4 soaps left,  but still.if you know you can write crap - and get nominated for a major reward why put in more effort?)

[sacrebleu]

Now, I could have sworn Esme put pills in two drinks, so I thought she was going for an ' oops, Cam and Trina ended up in bed together' type situation.

Not that that would have been better, but by leaving the phone there to record, how is she gonna get it back? I really don't see what her game plan is, aside from the scheming itself.

Especially, once Spencer's in prison, is she really gonna live with her bf's grandmother for a month?

[GHScorpiosRule]

11 hours ago, dbklmt said:

Who is Sri Rao?

3 hours ago, ouinason said:

He wrote Night Shift

 

He wrote for the second and final season of Night Shift. The AWESOME story of Robert's cancer story line, and he, unlike others, actually respected the show's history.

But like @dubbel zout also states, he doesn't have any interest in writing full time, and I also don't blame him. Though I do in my fantasies, wish he could write for the vets and undo all the damage that's been done.

And I also want a horsie.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, sacrebleu said:

Not that that would have been better, but by leaving the phone there to record, how is she gonna get it back?

Before Esmé stomped out, she did say she'd come back for the bags, but Spencer told her he'd have someone pick them up. So maybe that's when she was going to retrieve the phone? The whole plan has been pretty confusing from all sides.

[ciarra]

1 hour ago, sacrebleu said:

Not that that would have been better, but by leaving the phone there to record, how is she gonna get it back? I really don't see what her game plan is, aside from the scheming itself.

She said they would "send for their bags", as if the cabin has valet services.  If the phone saves video to the cloud, she wouldn't need it back, but there would be the problem of it being left at the Corinthos cabin, where someone would eventually find it.

I found it fairly ridiculous that she could get an Uber out in the boonies, too.

[dubbel zout]

36 minutes ago, ciarra said:

She said they would "send for their bags",

Duh, what am I thinking? No way Esmé would go back for luggage, ha! Though who exactly would she send? She doesn't live somewhere with help, like Wyndemere or Casa Corinthos.

[Daisy]

Today's Notes

Oh yay. We start with Millowtonin. Wait. Willow is finishing Nursing school? when did she even go? Anyway Michael is taking her to Paris. whatever. . Carly is standing there with sadz smilez. She comes in, and they blow smoke up Michael's ass. Willow leaves. Carly starts whinging about Nina again. Michael says Nina and Sonny are done. Carly goes. he said same thing. Michael just wants them to be happy. Carly goes. happiness is far far away.  Both of them are whinging how they wanted nina to suffer, and how Sonny got in the way. and because Sonny didn't make Nina suffer Carly can't be with Sonny (see. that's what I said. Carly wants Sonny to take Nina out, and won't say it. SO basically "Until Sonny listens to me" translates into "Until Sonny murders Nina for us, it's over." that's so disgusting). 

Willow can't find her birth certificate. Michael is gonna get it in the attic. Carly and Willow chat. holy crap. Willow tries to apologize and Carly says, "it wasn't your place to tell me., it was Sonny." (a pig just flew by my window, y'all). Carly leaves, butnot before she blows more smoke up Michael's ass. 

Sonny has his meds in his hands. ......they recasted LEO!?! :( Anyway Leo says don't drink from public water fountains. (not even lying i miss old leo) We get infodumped about the autism programmes at GH. Ned says Olivia has a big mouth so i know about your problems, are you good? Sonny grins and goes we're good especially with what I've got planned! ned goes not a good idea, it's gonna make you happy not Carly. (i'm ignoring this because i don't care). anyway. Ned goes. Our wives are allergic to BS (but yet both of them have zero qualms spewing it every time they are on. imagine that). Ned goes. Olivia wanted to be heard be patient. Sonny does't care because the circumstances are different. ned goes I know what YOU want. what does CARLY want. Sonny goes time and space. Ned goes. "um, then why aren't you giving Carly what she wants." Sonny has this does not compute look on his face. Sonny isn't listening. Ned's is like whatever. 

Cam is making a fire. Joss shows up. Cam goes, Imma gonna make food, do you think Trina is hungry? Joss goes, I dunno, she won't answer. Cam goes we should check on her and make her she's okay. (now that Cam got some, his other brain is working). Joss is like no she needs space. Now that Joss got some. now she's wondering if they've has been ignoring Trina's feelings. (yes. yes you have). Cam goes. y'all have a great friendship.

Trina shows up and Joss is like yay!!!. Trina goes is it normal to black out after one drink. Cam and Joss are like I dunno, maybe. (again. maybe this is why you should have checked on her vs. going what you heard on the other side of the door) Trina goes maybe y'all are more experienced drunks. No-they aren't Spencer and Esme who drank in school. Trina doesn't really remember anything. Trina realizes there were sexytimes had and asks Joss the scoop. 

Joss is gleeful that she called Esme a bitch. Trina is happy. Joss infodumps Trina about how Trina said and felt and Trina looks shocked/horrified. (and you know. I don't care because JOSS doesn't care because if she cared about Trina's feelings about anything she would have waited before having Sexytimes). Trina says she had a feeling in the pit of her tummy that someting was wrong. Joss goes well you wouldn't have said it if you weren't drunk. (YAH BUT SHE HAS THOSE FEELINGS, DUMBASS). Trina goes, can you forget it? Joss goes. I have to ask this. do you think I I moved in on Cam when you still had feelings for him? (this annoys me.  she said it when she was drunk. you needed to know this before you actually had sexytimes because like what legit are you going to do now? tell Trina to deal? Dump Cam after you had sex w/him?)

Trina infodumps where the feelings came from. (Cam had feelings for Joss, Oscar died. they were kidnapped togethe blegh bleh) but Trina sees Cam as a brother. Joss goes but do you resent me for going for him. (again MAYBE this should have been resolved before you had sex, you idiot). Trina goes no. I'm happy for you. I'm just gonna have to be used to being an odd man out. Cam goes. me too. We are #teameachother. Trina goes. how did this get dredged up. Joss gets horny as she says "I DO! ESME!" they all slag Esme. They apologize to each other for not thinking about their feelings. Trina goes I wonder if this is mean girl or if there is something more with Esme.  Joss goes. "soemthing more, totally. 

Spencer has no time for Esme. Spencer wants to know the eff Esme was doing at the cabin. They start fighting about Trina. Spencer is #teamtrina.  Esme is pissed that Spencer didn't defend her. Spencer says you got lucky that Joss didn't go hard on you. Esme goes. you know, I don't want to be with you at all.  Spencer quietly tells Esme he has defended her. Esme goes and they disrespected you. anyway. Spencer apologizes for not being the boyfriend Esme wants. Esme goes she'll be alone in the world when Spencer goes to baby jail. 

Spencer goes you're not alone You have me. They apologize. Esme goes I signed up to be with you and whatever comes along. Spencer apologizes for being weaksauce. Esme goes here are plenty of guys who would want someone as loyal as me in their corner. Spencer goes they would be so lucky, and can you forgive me? Spencer is being played like a piano. Esme is good.  anyway. They snuggle, but spencer has a... this isn't good thing face going on. 

Liz is packing up paintings. Finn goes Franco had a complicated history, but he was talented. Liz is like yeah. I have to protect his legacy since someone is determined to destroy it.. Finn gets infodumped. He wants to know if Liz is good. (and gives a nice compliment). Liz says she can't talk to him. Finn is like why? Liz goes every time we're together there's a Franco ghost. Finn goes I'll wait for you forever. Liz melts and goes. no pausing let's move forward. yay. they plan another date. and Finn gives Liz her space. Liz thanks him for not giving up on her. Finn says something sweet. 

Original Hatman is back and runs into into Curtis and Stella (who asked Curtis if he really wants to know Hatman's business and risk losing him, or have a relationship with him). Stella leaves them alone to get some wings. Hatman and Curtis....round 11038338181. Curtis decides to ignore Stella's advice and goes "Why you leave Savoy when i said I didn't want to ignore Sonny." Hatman goes. I don't have an issue with Sonny per se, but i have an issue with the lifestyle. Curtis says if you want a relationship with me, don't threaten to leave me again. Hatman says okay. They talk about buying a house and Piph. 

Phyllis shows up and goes, do I know you? You look familiar. Stella goes. I've got the face. they banter/chatter over music, curtis and stuff.. Stella dismisses Curtis and says Phyllis wants to talk music. Curtis splits. and Stella is like "the hell why you told Curtis you were in witness protection?" Hatman looks scared LOL. Hatman goes I didn't say it. Stella is like boy please you were vague. Hatman goes who cares, i'm here now Hatman goes. you know the truth. what part of it does Curtis needs to know so we can be close? Stella hushes up. Hatman begs her not to say anything. 

A mini info dump on Nina and Phyllis hopes she's enough for her. (nope. you aren't.). 

 

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Liz is being haunted by something. she looks suspicious but goes it was a draft. 

Stella is like, if i have to explain it to you dumbass,  Curtis can be burned by this, and I won't let you hurt him. Hatman goes. i don't want to. let me have this chance. . 

Spencer takes out his phone and sends Trina a text. 

Trina turns it off. though.they toast to being best friends. (may Trina get some). 

Carly gets a call, and gets irritated. Sonny goes I will give you all the space you need if you get me one hour on Friday. who cares. 

Willow can't get a birth certificate. there's no record that it exists. . (who cares)

Show ends.

[dubbel zout]

Ugh, Michael is back and talking about Wiley. I have not missed any of this.

I almost didn't recognize Willow. Katelyn MacMullen looks really different with wavy hair.

I wonder why Leo was recast.

[statsgirl]

Did Michael just offer Carly a place to stay in Monica's house?

Just when I thought I couldn't hate him more.

[YaddaYadda]

Michael and Willow going to Paris. Maybe their private plane can crash into a volcano. No, wait! It's a plot point to tell us that Willow's birth certificate was a fake. Did anyone else see that coming? It felt completely telegraphed. I guess we're circling back to Willow's parents not being Willow's parents. How long has it been since they attempted that storyline? Six months? A year?

I so don't care for Michael. I just hate the character so much. And incidentally, there's something that I've been meaning to bring up for at least a couple of weeks. Drew/Michael scenes when they talked about Sam and Drew said that good guys finish last. Michael was like I'm a good guy and I didn't finish last. You're not a good guy, Michael. Like at all. And the better guy did finish last.

Carly has nothing better than go around town to talk about how she is unhappy and Sonny won't leave her alone. Who is the next moron on her list?

SORASed Leo looks too old to be playing with Avery. Unless they're about to age that character too. Thank you for that fun fact about the water fountains. It was pretty gross.

Are we supposed to believe that Elizabeth is being haunted by Franco? It would be just like him to do something as douchey as that.

I really don't know what to make of this whole Douchehat storyline. Can we get some forward movement?

I did not care for anything to do with the young adult set. Spencer is too dense to see when he is being manipulated and it doesn't really seem like he even likes Esme.

And Joss and her Esme Esme Esme. If the game was marry, fuck or kill Esme, Joss would probably choose all the above. Stop it already. Move the heck on!