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Jeopardy! Season 36 (2019-2020)

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suebee12

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Finally got to see the show very late because we get Jeopardy on NBC and between parades and football, it was shown in the middle of the night Thursday and Friday. I cringed when the champion guessed Caroline Kennedy when Ethel was shown and was surprised when no one came up with Peter Lawford! I ran the Kennedy answers but didn't think any of them were particularly hard. I have finally given up on yelling the answers to help out....because it doesn't !😏

No FJ for me...I went for David Copperfield but knew it was wrong.....

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Ah, yes, egrets. I’ve had a few. But then again, too few to mention.

Clanstarling
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I went with Savannah - which was wrong, and I knew it, but at least had a smidge (just a smidge) of logic to it. The mister got it right (and has heard enough about the forum to say "I got a triple st

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opus

Ugh, that Ken guy was super annoying. I’m out till he’s gone. Don’t think he’ll last long though.  

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Clanstarling

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1 hour ago, suebee12 said:

Finally got to see the show very late because we get Jeopardy on NBC and between parades and football, it was shown in the middle of the night Thursday and Friday. I cringed when the champion guessed Caroline Kennedy when Ethel was shown and was surprised when no one came up with Peter Lawford! I ran the Kennedy answers but didn't think any of them were particularly hard. I have finally given up on yelling the answers to help out....because it doesn't !😏

No FJ for me...I went for David Copperfield but knew it was wrong.....

I almost missed Ethel, because I'd forgotten the category. The second I remembered, I had it. As for Lawford, I didn't get him until I shoved David Niven out of my mind. Who knows why he came to mind, not me.

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Bliss

Bliss

2 hours ago, saber5055 said:

Well, Mr. Niven was QUITE the heartthrob back in the day. Why, I'm not sure. Pickens were Slim back then I guess.

I see what you're doing there. LOL

There's a photo of my dear (departed) Dad, lounging on a picnic blanket as a young dapper - dressed to the max - and he looks exactly like Niven at a young age... except Dad was quite a bit more handsome. Yes, I'm biased.

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saber5055

saber5055

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1 hour ago, illdoc said:

(since they wanted the title of the novel, I believe, and not the character)

I was thinking the novel title had to be the character's name, but you are correct, the clue asked for the novel's title: "The title character of this novel ..." I've learned that the answer wanted is always what follows "this" in the clue. It's a cowinkeydence that Dracula was also the title. So Jean Val Jean could have been correct if he were not a French porno star!

Yes, I declare him a hottie.

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ETA: Now I'm wondering if the phrase "title character" in the clue does mean the character is the title of the book. Someone help me!

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Bliss

Bliss

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On 11/30/2019 at 4:46 PM, saber5055 said:

I was thinking the novel title had to be the character's name, but you are correct, the clue asked for the novel's title: "The title character of this novel ..." I've learned that the answer wanted is always what follows "this" in the clue. It's a cowinkeydence that Dracula was also the title. So Jean Val Jean could have been correct if he were not a French porno star!

Yes, I declare him a hottie.

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sorry... not a good idea to post personal photos online!
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secnarf

secnarf

On 11/28/2019 at 4:24 PM, Trey said:

I've seen The Graduate but I have no memory at all of "Plastics" being a famous quote.  Mind you, I didn't get Rosebud either but at least I know about it.

This was me exactly.

I even went on YouTube afterwards to watch the Plastics scene and still had no memory of it, and I have seen The Graduate more than once.

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peeayebee

peeayebee

Finally saw Friday's ep today which my DVR recorded yesterday. So I'm caught up... for a time.

Monday: I got Amelie (wonderful movie), constellations, and Locke. I also got FJ (Levi).

Tuesday: Sea of Japan (a guess), the DD of New Orleans, and the FJ New Deal. I was surprised that was TS, but at least I got an asterisk out of it. 

Wednesday: Just Bridget Jones' Diary.

Thursday: Rhea, Moonlight, The Cider House Rules, and cod.

Friday: Kung Fu and Cuomo. For the Joan Collins' role I could only come up with Alexis. For FJ I said Jane Eyre.

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chessiegal

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28 minutes ago, M. Darcy said:

I think the FJ category name was misleading - Stoker was Irish and Ireland is not part of Great Britain so should Dracula really be considered a British novel? 

From The Jeopardy Fan:

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Dracula is an 1897 novel, the best-known novel of Bram Stoker. It was published at a time where sensational tales about fantastic creatures (in this case, the vampiric Count Dracula) invading England were very popular with the British reading public. The story essentially popularized innumerable tropes regarding vampires, many of which are still used today.

The difficulty of this clue in-studio may also hinge upon when Alex decides to break out his Dracula impersonation; will it come during the clue, or will it be saved for giving the correct response?

Something to remember as well: even though Bram Stoker was born in Ireland, he spent the majority of his adult life in London, as the business manager of that city’s Lyceum Theatre, and he began writing novels while living and working in London.

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Clanstarling

Clanstarling

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2 hours ago, saber5055 said:

Thanks. It's FL now for me as well. This site is so whack lately. Some days the ads on the right are gone and text extends so far to the right, I have to scroll to read a sentence, and I'm on a 20-inch monitor. The rest of the time, I open a thread to continue reading where I left off, and the page starts auto-scrolling up until I stop it and manually scroll back down again. Just more of life's little inconveniences.

It bounces around for me too. It's marginally better on my phone, but not great. This is, I think, a problem with a responsive site design (meant to arrange itself whatever device the visitor reads it on). I've seen quite a few sites with this issue.

31 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

From The Jeopardy Fan:

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Dracula is an 1897 novel, the best-known novel of Bram Stoker. It was published at a time where sensational tales about fantastic creatures (in this case, the vampiric Count Dracula) invading England were very popular with the British reading public. The story essentially popularized innumerable tropes regarding vampires, many of which are still used today.

The difficulty of this clue in-studio may also hinge upon when Alex decides to break out his Dracula impersonation; will it come during the clue, or will it be saved for giving the correct response?

Something to remember as well: even though Bram Stoker was born in Ireland, he spent the majority of his adult life in London, as the business manager of that city’s Lyceum Theatre, and he began writing novels while living and working in London.

He was 31 when he moved to London, and had been writing and publishing well before that.  So far as I know, he remained an Irish citizen, and he's listed on Irish websites as an Irish author.

Besides, lots of authors were expats. Gertrude Stein moved to Paris when she was 29. Does that make her a French author? I think not. (huffily responding to the website, not you Chessiegal)

I think that explanation is pretty weak. Not that it would have mattered in terms of me getting FJ - until this discussion I didn't know he was Irish anyway. 😄

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chessiegal

chessiegal

The category wasn't British authors, but novels..

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Here’s today’s Final Jeopardy (in the category Classic British Novels) for Friday, November 29, 2019 (Season 36, Episode 60):

The title character of this novel says of his home, “The wind breathes cold through the broken battlements and casements”

I had no idea for FJ either. I was very confident of my response of Oliver Twist.

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Clanstarling

Clanstarling

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9 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

The category wasn't British authors, but novels..

I had no idea for FJ either. I was very confident of my response of Oliver Twist.

Fair point. Though I'm not sure one can separate the author's nationality from the book's, as it were. To use  Gertrude Stein as an example again, I doubt her works were considered French.

Oliver entered my mind too...but the wind breathed cold through my mind. 😉

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secnarf

secnarf

49 minutes ago, saber5055 said:

So if I move to Portugal and live there for a while, and write/publish a novel while there, is it a Portuguese novel?

When I was in high school, the semester project involved something with a poet - we all had to pick a poet and critique and dramatize their poems. All of the first semester classes had to pick North American poets and the second semester classes did non-North American poets, to try to limit people in second semester from copying from their friends who had taken the course in the first semester.

I did Sylvia Plath as part of the first semester group, and a friend of mine did Sylvia Plath as part of the second semester group. I considered her American because she was born in the USA, but she apparently also counted as British since her works were all published while she was living in Britain. Plath herself is American but her work is British.

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saber5055

saber5055

1 hour ago, secnarf said:

I did Sylvia Plath as part of the first semester group, and a friend of mine did Sylvia Plath as part of the second semester group. I considered her American because she was born in the USA, but she apparently also counted as British since her works were all published while she was living in Britain. Plath herself is American but her work is British.

Inquiring minds want to know if your friend copied your paper. LOL!

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Bastet

Bastet

2 hours ago, Driad said:

Suppose a native of country A becomes a citizen of country B, lives in country C, and writes a novel set in countries D and E that is especially popular in country F.  What nationality would Jeopardy call this novel?

I was gone last week, so perhaps I'm missing something by just reading about it, but it seems to me the answer to this question as part of the overall discussion of the FJ clue is that they wouldn't put such a novel under any [Nationality Novels] category.  While a novel such as Dracula, written and set in England, would be classified a British novel, despite its author's place of birth and residency history.

This clue under the heading British Novelists (or Authors), I'd join in calling bullshit.  But Classic British Novels?  I don't take issue.  (I couldn't come up with it, either, mind you, but I did a V8 head smack when I clicked on the answer.)

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MrAtoz

MrAtoz

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On 11/30/2019 at 5:50 PM, illdoc said:

I assume it means it's in the title of the book (not necessarily the whole title, which is why I went with Dorian).

Yes, a "title character" is a character whose name is in the title (or sometimes, as in the case of Dracula, is the entire title).  Count Dracula is the title character of Dracula, Dr. Van Helsing is not.  Many novels, like Wuthering Heights, have no title characters.

On the question of author nationality, it might be interesting to consider Samuel Beckett.  He was Irish, but emigrated to France.  He wrote in both English and French (his most famous work, Waiting for Godot, was originally written in French).  Is he a French author?  Are his writings French literature?  Maybe.  He's included on this list of French Nobel Laureates.

I don't have much trouble considering Dracula to be a British novel.  It was published in Britain, by a British publisher, written by an author who lived in Britain and held British citizenship.

Edited to add:  The more interesting thing, to me, was that Alex managed to resist doing his Dracula voice while reading the clue.  That would have given it away entirely, so good for him for not doing so!

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Clanstarling

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Well, having read this thoroughly interesting discussion, I've come to the conclusion that there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to defining a novel's nationality. Everyone's made decent points.

To me, setting does not define a book's nationality, the author does. But that's my take, for what it's worth.

It seems that when it comes to authors who have dual citizenship (just checked and you can currently be both an Irish and British citizen), it's up for grabs.

And then, of course, there are the literature professors who assign their own rules to classifying novels.

I declare us all correct! (Because, of course, that would make me correct too) 😄

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20 minutes ago, peeayebee said:

Plus, it's British novels, not English novels. Ireland is part of Great Britain.

The whole of Ireland might have been at one point, but if I understand what I just read (no guarantees) in modern usage the country Ireland (as opposed to Northern Ireland) where Stoker was born and educated (Dublin), is not. Though, granted, during Stoker's life that designation might have been accurate.

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M. Darcy

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3 hours ago, peeayebee said:

Plus, it's British novels, not English novels. Ireland is part of Great Britain.

Its not - Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but not Great Britain.  Great Britain is England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland but not Ireland. 

Heh, if I had been a contestant that day I really would have protested. 

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proserpina65

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17 hours ago, Driad said:

Suppose a native of country A becomes a citizen of country B, lives in country C, and writes a novel set in countries D and E that is especially popular in country F.  What nationality would Jeopardy call this novel?

Multinational?

10 minutes ago, M. Darcy said:

Its not - Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but not Great Britain.  Great Britain is England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland but not Ireland. 

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom; all of Ireland was when Stoker was alive.  None of it is part of Great Britain, although "British" is used as a general description of anyone from the UK if one does not specifically know that person's exact part of the UK.

All of this is academic, however, as Stoker's citizenship was British.

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peeayebee

peeayebee

23 minutes ago, M. Darcy said:

Its not - Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but not Great Britain.  Great Britain is England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland but not Ireland. 

I stand corrected.

10 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom; all of Ireland was when Stoker was alive.  None of it is part of Great Britain, although "British" is used as a general description of anyone from the UK if one does not specifically know that person's exact part of the UK.

I sit back down.

I look at watch and wonder if it's too early to drink.

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surreysmum

surreysmum

I have at times been curious about what constitutes "Canadian" when the various big Canadian literary awards come around. My impression, growing up as a student of literature in the midst of a very real cultural inferiority complex (the country's, therefore mine), was that they often "reached" in order to claim an author as our own. So I wouldn't be surprised to find that national awards in other countries with a more established literary tradition might be a bit less generous (or a bit less grabby, depending on your point of view).

Here is the relevant clause from the current qualifications for the Governor General's Literary Awards:

Books must be written or translated by Canadian citizens or permanent residents of Canada as defined by Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada. They do not need to be living in Canada. For the Illustrated Books category and for graphic novels, both the author and the illustrator must be Canadian citizens or permanent residents of Canada. For the Translation category, the original work must also be a Canadian-authored title. All books must have an ISBN, be distributed in Canada and be available in Canadian bookstores.

[Neither citizenship nor actual residence is required but official acknowledgment of a legal connection to Canada, as per Citizenship Canada is; setting and subject matter is irrelevant. Books can be submitted by either Canadian or foreign publishers]

The eligibility requirements for the other high-profile English novel award, the Giller Prize, are pretty much identical (author must be Canadian citizen or have permanent resident status; publisher may be domestic or foreign), although there are some year-of-publication requirements that may be different for consideration.

These are both major prizes for Canadian literature.  The controversy, it seems to me, arises when a prize is given to an author with dual citizenship, especially if that author is largely associated with, and has as their principal subject matter, a different national literature.  Both Canada (Governor General's award) and New Zealand claim Eleanor Catton's The Luminaries, for instance (Canada because she was born here; New Zealand because she lives there - but also because the novel is set in historical New Zealand).  

I don't know whether this will happen less and less as Canada's national literature grows more abundant and more self-confident, or more and more as our literary world becomes increasingly diverse and more authors acquire multiple passports and multiple national identities.

Anyway, I'm not holding my breath for the day Jeopardy has a "Canadian Literature" category, given how poorly the contestants generally perform on Canadian topics in general. Who needs another "football"-style embarrassment? 🙂

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Trey

Trey

36 minutes ago, surreysmum said:

Anyway, I'm not holding my breath for the day Jeopardy has a "Canadian Literature" category, given how poorly the contestants generally perform on Canadian topics in general. Who needs another "football"-style embarrassment? 🙂

As a Canadian, I am always watching for Canada related questions and how well the contestants do on them.  I have noticed that, in the last few years, most American contestants can answer Canadian questions as well as Canadians - sure they whiff badly once in a while but overall their knowledge of things Canadian has increased greatly.

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