S09.E23: Reunion Part 2

[Dutchgirl]

49 minutes ago, mwell345 said:

As much as I can't stand Lisa Rinna, I don't think that account is hers.  No blue checkmark next to the name.

Not sure why the only screenshot I found was from Twitter when the original was apparently on Instagram, but whatever, it was her. She apologized (so she could keep her QVC contract).

[Dutchgirl]

It's almost over. 

[psychoticstate]

So Teddi admits she lied about lying but then she's not a liar?  I don't think she's doing her accountability business much good right now.

It's a good thing Camille was on this season and everyone was fighting with LVP or there would be no storylines.  Seriously dull.

I know part 2 was an hour but the only things I truly remember, besides Teddi lying about lying, was Camille's parts.  And most of these other ladies are such shrews, I'm Team Camille.  Go get them, Camille!   She's not doing anything the others haven't done at some point.  They all talk out of both sides of their face, they all talk behind each other's backs (except maybe Denise).  They all invite the other ladies to things because of production so stop with the pearl clutching and fake outrage.   Other than Camille's business relationship with Mauricio and Lisa Rinna and Denise, I don't think any of them are friends off the show.  

[Chit Chat]

9 hours ago, Dutchgirl said:

Long story short, Dorit gave away an adopted dog, Teddi schemed to shame Dorit with LVPs employees but ended up alone in her effort so she blamed LVP, LVP was sick of talking about it and quit.

This is the info that smacked me upside the head!  Was this discussed last week on the 1st reunion taping?  I fast forwarded most of that, so if it was, I missed it.  Seems like the group kind of glossed over Teddi's admission and kept up the narrative of everything being LVP's fault.   These ladies are just too aggravating to watch.  I'm trying to finish out this season just to see how it all ends, but I'm about 99% sure I won't be tuning in next year.  

[FancyNancy]

10 hours ago, Neurochick said:

I have a different take on Camille.  I think the women all have an agreement to not say certain things about each other on camera.  Camille comes out and just spills all the tea; and the woman are all like OMG.  Denise said she doesn't scream at her kids, when unseen footage showed otherwise.  

The Atlanta and New York Housewives go off on each other, while Beverly Hills doesn't, that's why this franchise is boring to me.  No tea.

I thought the implication was that Bitchmille said Denise said she curses at her children? Denise didn’t say that. 

10 hours ago, Beachdreamer said:

Denise said she doesn't SWEAR at her kids.  Camille said that Denise told them she does.  The footage they showed is of Denise saying she screams at her kids. 

Ok. That’s what I thought I saw and heard.

[Keywestclubkid]

21 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

S  She's not doing anything the others haven't done at some point.  They all talk out of both sides of their face, they all talk behind each other's backs (except maybe Denise).  They all invite the other ladies to things because of production so stop with the pearl clutching and fake outrage.   Other than Camille's business relationship with Mauricio and Lisa Rinna and Denise, I don't think any of them are friends off the show.  

I think you got that backwards it was Camille that was clutching her pearls... she wants to play this game so bad and wants her full time status back that she got flustered and slipped and the mask totally fell on how fake yes they all have to be to work on this show …. She had the cover story of wanting to be friends with them and even said that several times but then when she couldn't get  the heat off her started throwing anything out and reveled she was really only doing shit to be on camera... SHE DIDINT MEAN TO LET IT SLIP.. All of these shows are smoke and mirrors and are jobs for these women but they arnt supposed to let that be known because who wants to watch that.. Camille fucked up she wasn't trying to pull the mask away she did it on accident and now is fucked and will never have her full time status … shes not some crusader for truth on these shows shes just as fucking fake as all of them only she once again slipped up and revealed something she shouldn't have  … so its kind of funny her being championed has some TRUTH teller when that's not what she was doing at all is kind of mind boggling to me 

Edited July 24, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[Chit Chat]

14 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I think you got that backwards it was Camille that was clutching her pearls... she wants to play this game so bad and wants her full time status back that she got flustered and slipped and the mask totally fell on how fake yes they all have to be to work on this show ….

As I've said before, sometimes I like her, sometimes I don't.  She tries so hard to play the reality show "game," but she's just not very good at it.  It's like watching Lucy (not the dog!) take the football away from Charlie Brown.  She misses every single time!  I don't think she's suited for this type of environment.  The show needs a clean sweep.  There's not any of them that I care to see anymore.  This group has run their course.  

[mwell345]

1 hour ago, Dutchgirl said:

Not sure why the only screenshot I found was from Twitter when the original was apparently on Instagram, but whatever, it was her. She apologized (so she could keep her QVC contract).

I had forgotten about Instagram - don't know much about it anyway.  Thanks for the clarification and sorry about my misunderstanding.

[65mickey]

A couple of thoughts about part 2. Kyle using the phrase Monty of McGootsville was odd.Is this a common way to refer to someone from a hick place? In my long life I have never heard this before.  I found it strange as Kim's former husband who is now deceased was named Monty. I wonder if Kyle picked this up when she referred to him. Also for the first time Rinna saying I don't "think"I am anorexic. Then she mentioned something about discussing this in  therapy. Did I hear this correctly? I can't stomach watching this again. 

[sunshine23]

9 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

I think that sitting with six women who are claiming to never do anything similar to the awful things they are claiming you did with a moderator that is leaning towards their side would be crazy making. 

It was like they were gaslighting Camille saying things that did happen didn't.

8 hours ago, AttackTurtle said:

Like hell, husbands don’t sign up for the show.    Mauricio has taken every opportunity possible to advertise The Agency on this show.  Even the house in question was featured prominently on the show.  PK has used it to promote Boy George.  Edwin has used it to promote his security company.  

Erika brags about her husband’s money....he and his lawsuits are fair game.  

If "the husbands" are willing to take the positive and use the show to their advantage, then they need to be prepared for the negatives that come with it as well. Its not as though they didn't know what they/their wives were signing up for. If making money wasn't in the equation, none of these people would be doing it. 

8 hours ago, oceanview said:

I believe she said "that is all I have done to my face (or head)"  which would leave out those ridiculous boobs she insists on flaunting at every opportunity.  Even in the clips by Bravo, they insist on showing her in that awful talking head with the black bando meshy thing.  GADZOOKS that is ugly

A million times, yes. Ugly as all get out! Does this woman not own a mirror? Does she need new glasses? Did her lasik not take? Do her dime store glam squad hate her?

8 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

It's hilarious how righteous Kyle is about the way LVP allegedly went about destroying the image of Dorit when in fact she showed up at the dog place accusing LVP of favoring Dorit and for failing to hold her accountable for the doggy dumping.  What a hypocrite!

New word Ky-pocrite. (Kyle + hypocrite).

8 hours ago, oceanview said:

I never understood why she wanted Kyle in the first place.  I don't think Kyle did either.  Doesn't she have any close friends for the job?    

Production, pure and simple. Let's face it, any of them are willing to do whatever it takes to get more air time.

8 hours ago, Dutchgirl said:

So anyone who isn't from BH who mentions Kyle's legal issues is a hick with a dumb name? Right up there with Rinna's rage tweets @ RHOBH fans.

Rinna is a truly vile person. I hope all the fat hoarder cat ladies with no teeth who can't find their hoo hoo that buy her stuff on QVC not only stop buying it, but write in and say why. Everyone should write to QVC and question why they want to be associated with someone who hates their demographic; regular people who have minds of their own.

8 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Well, that was interesting. I am glad that it was brought up that LVP did not bother to ask Dorit who she gave Lucy to, or ask for a phone number and address to follow up on where Lucy was. As I have said all along, LVP was the original puppy dumper.

Remember, we are only getting ONE side, Dorit's, about whether Lisa asked who she gave Lucy to and I don't believe Dorit for a NY minute, or BH minute. I do agree that Lisa should not have allowed Dorit to adopt Lucy but that would have opened the floodgates of accusations as well. Anything to attack LVP. Dorit is clearly the one in the wrong here and will continue to do anything and say anything to make it appear otherwise.

8 hours ago, Dutchgirl said:

I agree the husbands are fair game but to watch someone be outed and shamed over their financial issues is embarrassing to watch imo. 

Dorit didn't see anything wrong with embarrassing LVP all season whether it was her doing it or one of the other mean girls. She was all in and cackling the whole way. If Dorit and PK are willing to go on tv and pretend to be something they're not, especially knowing they owe people major money, they have to be prepared to be called out for it. They all do especially now with the internet making all the information easily accessible.

7 hours ago, izabella said:

Except Dorit lied.  We saw, on the show this season, that phone call with Dorit where LVP specifically asked the name of the person Dorit gave the dog to so Vanderpump Dogs could follow up, and Dorit suddenly got all vague and wouldn't/couldn't provide the name.  Dorit lied.

But amazingly, no clips to show of that. This just proves how one sided Andy is against LVP. 

[oakville]

11 hours ago, renatae said:

Andy is finally asking the questions the viewers have had about the lawsuits, denials fly, and in the end, LisaV gets blamed by Teddi the Accountable as if she was the one who discussed them! These girls are nothing if not consistent.

Kyle, ever the sweetheart, nastily clapping back at the viewer who asked about Mauricio's suit, by saying, "Whoever the F Monty in Magootville is," shows exactly the disdain she holds the viewers in. What's the matter, Kyle? Not happy your 14th mounted attack on LVP didn't make you come out smelling like a rose in the minds of the viewers?

It looked to me like Teddi gave away a lot more than she meant to when she said that even in the beginning, she was ready to attack Dorito regarding the dog as soon as John asked, even before anyone claimed Lisa was involved.

Kyle got easily flustered when Andy asked her about Mauricio's lawsuit.

[Gem 10]

9 hours ago, DivaLasVegas82 said:

I don't know what Camille's goal was, but she looked even worse tonight than she did the entire Season 1. But like someone said, without Camille, this reunion would have been beyond boring. 

I’m wondering if this whole display is her final scene?  She’s exhausted everyone, so maybe she won’t be back ?????

[Jel]

1 hour ago, Dutchgirl said:

Not sure why the only screenshot I found was from Twitter when the original was apparently on Instagram, but whatever, it was her. She apologized (so she could keep her QVC contract).

Never underestimate Rinna's ability to go low. 

But she "owns it!" so that makes it all okay!

😉

[Gem 10]

10 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

Camille is really off the rails!  She reminds me of a trapped and teased wild animal, biting and ripping at those around her.  With each word, she  makes less sense.  I appreciate Denise trying to bring her back to reality. 

Who could be comfortable being her friend?  I wouldn’t trust her now with a ten foot pole.  Once a person goes off about everyone, spilling everything, how can you trust her?  She may have been truthful, but you can’t go around telling secrets about everyone.  She snapped.   You have to be a phony like everyone else.

Edited July 24, 2019 by Gem 10

[ivygirl]

Last night was very informative! In addition to the above relation that Rinna’s horrifying words on social media don’t, apparently, count as nastiness, I also learned that the ladies’ legal problems were all misunderstandings brought about by others, then lied about in the press; that most of them have just had super minimal work done; that Dorit really, really thought LLAJ went to a fantastic home and basically the whole situation was LVP’s fault because LVP; that Rinna has zero food issues; and clearly, Teddi can’t help talk on behalf of EVERYONE, except perhaps herself because it took her a million years to admit that she lied about lying.

Edited July 24, 2019 by ivygirl

[Jel]

2 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

Last night was very informative! In addition to the above relation that Rinna’s horrifying words on social media don’t, apparently, count as nastiness, I also learned that the ladies’ legal problems were all misunderstandings brought about by others, then lied about in the press; that most of them have just had super minimal work done; that Dorit really, really thought LLAJ went to a fantastic home and basically the whole situation was LVP’s fault because LVP; that Rinna has zero food issues; and clearly, Teddi can’t help talk on behalf of EVERYONE, except perhaps herself because it took her a million years to admit that she lied about lying.

Lol, and also that Teddi logic dictates that because she is now telling the truth about having lied before, that proves she is indeed an honest, non-lying person.

[Sharonana]

@Keywestclubkid you are posting everything I'm thinking so I'm liking your comments. I'm not being a creepy stalker. 😂🤣

[SunnyBeBe]

So, here we go again with Kyle's imaginary friend who had staff who showed up at the polygraph examiner's office and just HAPPENED to see LVP getting her screening polygraph test.  Don't believe Kyle at all, but, so what if she did?  LVP apparently passed it TWICE.   I suppose that Kyle is too ANXIOUS to undergo one.  I'd like to get her on a cross examination though.  

With all that LVP has done for the show and all Bravo could throw her was a pitiful bone!  Throwing in Camille for LVP is a joke.  She's a disaster and a back stabber.  Didn't LVP deserve more than that?  You are vile Mr. Cohen. 

Edited July 24, 2019 by SunnyBeBe

[nexxie]

4 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

So, here we go again with Kyle's imaginary friend who had staff who showed up at the polygraph examiner's office and just HAPPENED to see LVP getting her screening polygraph test.  Don't believe Kyle at all, but, so what if she did?  LVP apparently passed it TWICE.   I suppose that Kyle is too ANXIOUS to undergo one.  I'd like to get her on a cross examination though.  

With all that LVP has done for the show and all Bravo could throw her was a pitiful bone!  Throwing in Camille for LVP is a joke.  She's a disaster and a back stabber.  Didn't LVP deserve more than that?  You are vile Mr. Cohen. 

Good grief - LVP was only expected to answer for years of bad behavior.

Erika was right to say, “Get off the cross; we need the wood.”

[Lizzing]

After hanging in watching the death throes of this season, my takeaways are this:

1) Production had footage of the Dorit chase-down in the Bahamas and chose not to air it.  This is not the same as the rest of the cast choosing not to discuss her Beverly Beach lawsuit.  Why did production choose to protect Dorit?  The could have aired it, and then aired a bunch of "no comment" talking head interviews from the cast if they were asked about it by producers during their sit-downs.  (Similar to how the Southern Charmers "no commented" things about TRav early this season.)  What's up with that?

2) I've never liked Camille, never bought her redemption arc, and always bristled at the "St. Camille" moniker people slapped on her after her PR makeover.  However, she's just like her ex: despicable human beings, but excellent television.  I admit that I enjoy some seasons of Frasier on TV Land.  She at least brought something interesting to the back third of the season and made airing of at least some of the reunion worth watching.  Sure, she's not a reliable narrator about everything.  But I think she thought she had an opening to be more integral on the show and not be the absolute villain (because that was LVP by the time of her birthday party) and realized a bit too late that she'd be LVP's replacement villain. And maybe it's just my life experience as a bridesmaid, but brides often chose people for the bridal party that they can get something out of, rather than to honor some kind of meaningful friendship, so her Kyle choice wasn't weird to me.

3) The debate over whether or not Denise said she yelled at her kids or cussed/cursed them out is patently absurd.  Half the commentariat has complained about her liberal use of "fuck" in her language.  Do we really think she can refrain from peppering her language to her kids when she's heated?  She uses "fuck" when she's in a good fuckin' mood, as well as a bad fuckin' mood.  (Pass the tequila.)  Denise is no more a saint than Camille.  Actually, they're very similar.

4) If Dorit didn't dump the dog at a kill shelter (either directly, by proxy, or by handing the pup off to an alleged good home), she'd have provided receipts by now, by way of this friend/employee/whatever person.  She's not protecting anyone but herself in the matter.  And no way, no how, no makeup explains those boobs.  Tamra's implants in the Clubhouse looks more natural.

5) For a couple of seasons, around 2-3, I actually had sympathy for Kyle dealing with Kim.  Now I have sympathy for Kim dealing with Kyle.  That's fucked up, but Kyle is so insufferable, coasting on her relatability with viewers by being such a 'good mom'.  I don't give a fuck if she's a good mother.  If, as she says, the scope of discussion of this show is about the friendships, then she's a shit friend.  She buddied up with Hi, I'm Teddy because Kyle was the least cool junior, and Teddy was the least cool sophomore transfer student who couldn't figure out how to relate to the cool senior, Erika, in the high school scenario they live out in perpetuity.  Even if her friend is on her side, she won't reciprocate at the same level.  And I want a one-off special on how Bethenny "mention it all" Frankle can still be friends with Kyle "don't ask me about my business" Richards.

6) Rinna is waiting for her chance to take down Kyle next season.  She doesn't know if it is through Dorit, Denise, or Camille, so she's hedging her bets.

7) Erika is dull, even costume-wise this season, but she hasn't overtly betrayed anyone and enjoys food.  She is flat-out lying that she likes hanging out with this group, aside from the needed paycheck.  But by default, she's the least objectionable one of the lot.  Faint praise, that.

Finally, this arm of the franchise needs to end now or completely recast.

[Giselle]

9 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Well, that was interesting. I am glad that it was brought up that LVP did not bother to ask Dorit who she gave Lucy to, or ask for a phone number and address to follow up on where Lucy was. As I have said all along, LVP was the original puppy dumper.

The reason she did not fire John Blizzard (or have Sessa do it since he is the ED of VP Dogs) is because Blizzard was doing exactly what LVP asked him to do, including the scene where he fell on the sword for LVP and said he put words in her mouth. As if. Lol. 

It appears though that VP Dogs should be looked at a little more closely, given the now latest time Lisa or an organization that bears her name has been sued. An employee being told to forge cheques, and then being fired for doing what they were told? Shady, shady, shady. Maybe things are more lax in the states, but as someone who is on the board of directors of an animal charity,  we have strict laws and regulations that must be followed to the letter. Forgery would definitely be a no-no. But then, none of us on the board would have to be told that. It is kind of common sense - unless you are either an idiot or underhanded, or both. 

All of LVP's businesses should be looked at.  Lawsuits, destruction of evidence, settlements...excuses, excuses, excuses. Something reeks!

[nexxie]

1 minute ago, Sarah Heart said:

She really does. This time, I think she wanted to give them a taste of their own medicine, I loved it. I thought all along, Camille wanted to join this lot, seeing her last night, made me think she doesn't. In the preview for next week, we see her in the arms of Rinna, mushy fake stuff. 

Rip BH.

She was mentally and emotionally unhinged - if not “on something,” as Denise suggested, she is not well.

Without LVP or Camille, the show could be a lot of fun.

[SunnyBeBe]

4 minutes ago, Lizzing said:

After hanging in watching the death throes of this season, my takeaways are this:

1) Production had footage of the Dorit chase-down in the Bahamas and chose not to air it.  This is not the same as the rest of the cast choosing not to discuss her Beverly Beach lawsuit.  Why did production choose to protect Dorit?  The could have aired it, and then aired a bunch of "no comment" talking head interviews from the cast if they were asked about it by producers during their sit-downs.  (Similar to how the Southern Charmers "no commented" things about TRav early this season.)  What's up with that?

2) I've never liked Camille, never bought her redemption arc, and always bristled at the "St. Camille" moniker people slapped on her after her PR makeover.  However, she's just like her ex: despicable human beings, but excellent television.  I admit that I enjoy some seasons of Frasier on TV Land.  She at least brought something interesting to the back third of the season and made airing of at least some of the reunion worth watching.  Sure, she's not a reliable narrator about everything.  But I think she thought she had an opening to be more integral on the show and not be the absolute villain (because that was LVP by the time of her birthday party) and realized a bit too late that she'd be LVP's replacement villain. And maybe it's just my life experience as a bridesmaid, but brides often chose people for the bridal party that they can get something out of, rather than to honor some kind of meaningful friendship, so her Kyle choice wasn't weird to me.

3) The debate over whether or not Denise said she yelled at her kids or cussed/cursed them out is patently absurd.  Half the commentariat has complained about her liberal use of "fuck" in her language.  Do we really think she can refrain from peppering her language to her kids when she's heated?  She uses "fuck" when she's in a good fuckin' mood, as well as a bad fuckin' mood.  (Pass the tequila.)  Denise is no more a saint than Camille.  Actually, they're very similar.

4) If Dorit didn't dump the dog at a kill shelter (either directly, by proxy, or by handing the pup off to an alleged good home), she'd have provided receipts by now, by way of this friend/employee/whatever person.  She's not protecting anyone but herself in the matter.  And no way, no how, no makeup explains those boobs.  Tamra's implants in the Clubhouse looks more natural.

5) For a couple of seasons, around 2-3, I actually had sympathy for Kyle dealing with Kim.  Now I have sympathy for Kim dealing with Kyle.  That's fucked up, but Kyle is so insufferable, coasting on her relatability with viewers by being such a 'good mom'.  I don't give a fuck if she's a good mother.  If, as she says, the scope of discussion of this show is about the friendships, then she's a shit friend.  She buddied up with Hi, I'm Teddy because Kyle was the least cool junior, and Teddy was the least cool sophomore transfer student who couldn't figure out how to relate to the cool senior, Erika, in the high school scenario they live out in perpetuity.  Even if her friend is on her side, she won't reciprocate at the same level.  And I want a one-off special on how Bethenny "mention it all" Frankle can still be friends with Kyle "don't ask me about my business" Richards.

6) Rinna is waiting for her chance to take down Kyle next season.  She doesn't know if it is through Dorit, Denise, or Camille, so she's hedging her bets.

7) Erika is dull, even costume-wise this season, but she hasn't overtly betrayed anyone and enjoys food.  She is flat-out lying that she likes hanging out with this group, aside from the needed paycheck.  But by default, she's the least objectionable one of the lot.  Faint praise, that.

Finally, this arm of the franchise needs to end now or completely recast.

You make some excellent points as indicated above. IF, I do watch next season, and that's a big IF, it would only be to see how Lisa R and Erika take down Kyle.  lol  But, if I miss it, I don't think I'll miss much.  

[nexxie]

4 minutes ago, Sarah Heart said:

Well LVP wasn't on, Camille was hardly on, and they didnt have that much fun. Migraines and meat not cooking( dull camping trip) . Hardly fun in my books.

Actually, there were a lot of laughs and good vibes - as they discussed at the final garden party. I’m looking forward to next season!

[Giselle]

2 hours ago, Jel said:

That she didn't give either of them the name of the "lovely woman" is shady as hell. This was well before any publicity, any leaked stories, any filming.

John Sessa also claimed somewhere (don't recall if it was in the interview I listened to) that in the first communication from the dog shelter, the shelter worked said (in a phone message or email or contact form on the website -- don't remember) a reality celebrity had brought the dog in.  He did seem mightily pissed though, I remember that.  

Jelica Jayne agrees! 😉

And if John Sessa said the sky was blue and water was wet I'd still would take everything he said with a mountain of salt & healthy dose of suspicion of ulterior motives. Shady, shady shady!

[bichonblitz]

11 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

If Teddi does not come back Kyle won't have a best buddy. 

Kyle will have a new best buddy. Erika is waiting in the wings.

[Yours Truly]

10 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

Kyle knew why she was asked to be a bridesmaid. She's been around the block.  She was bitching about the ugly cap sleeves right away because she didn't really want to participate but she knew for the show she had to do it.  JMO I wasn't really there. 😁

EXACTLY!

And that is why Camille was quick to point out that trying to use an "invite" to her wedding as proof of her being disingenuous was corny. Come on now. If you're gonna bitch about something, don't use something we all know is a part of what THEY ALL do to make the show go round.

We as viewers even know that gatherings, trips and who's "hosting" is partially if not mostly manipulated by production. So when one of these ladies decide to suspend that information in order to spin an attempt at an amicable work relationship as some wicked two faced moments (which is a big premise of the damn show) is ridiculous. Camille also pointed out that THEY ALL DO IT but for some odd reason Camille's behavior is  what stands out and has the rest of them clutching pearls? PULLLLEEEEZZEEE!

And THAT is what was setting Camille off. Not to mention the ridiculous gaslighting. Come on!

Edited July 24, 2019 by Yours Truly

[Giselle]

20 minutes ago, Sarah Heart said:

I rescued a few animals, when my children were very small. We had no problems, and my children grew up to be fine individuals with families, and they adopted rescue animals, which made my heart feel good.

That's great you have had wonderful experiences with rescues but their have been children bitten, mauled and killed by rescue dogs. 

I have no problem of Dorit getting rid of the dog and I believe her when she said the puppies nipped at her kids and the adults became concerned and wanted the dogs out of the house.  I have no problem with that except that she should have just given the last one back to LVP.  

[psychoticstate]

22 minutes ago, Sarah Heart said:

Well LVP wasn't on, Camille was hardly on, and they didnt have that much fun. Migraines and meat not cooking( dull camping trip) . Hardly fun in my books.

Pretty much what I was going to say, @Sarah Heart.  They really had nothing this season outside of LVP and Camille.  

[AttackTurtle]

Andy should've pressed them each more about the lawsuits.  Mauricio, in particular, has fully enjoyed the Bravo perks.  He's got agents on Million Dollar Listings and he's appeared on Million Dollar Listings and has shown houses on the Housewives.  He is absolutely fair game.  

And while I agree that the simple filing of a lawsuit is not establishing "facts", we know how personal they take lawsuits or even the threat of a lawsuit.  Remember their response to Russell's cease/desist letter to Camille in season two?  

The news of Rinna's daughter this week is another layer of storyline that I don't think any of these woman wanted aired.  Without puppy gate, production was going to have to come up with something.  To me they are fair game, too.  They have launched their modelling "careers" on the Real Housewives, the trials and tribulations should be included too.  

Contrary to what Kyle's claim, that viewers watch the show for the interaction between the ladies, I watch the show for the home life.  Kyle's only saving grace for me has always been the scenes of her with her kids.  For all intents and purposes, she is a good mom.  I love the home scenes of LVP because her life is just so ridiculously decadent.  Teddie is blah no matter what.  Camille can bring some good house porn.  Rinna brings the, "I thought they were rich, but they kind of live in a meh home" story.  I couldn't care less about Erika for the most part, but I would be curious to see more interaction with Tom simply because I think she is completely meek/submissive to the old man.  And honestly, Dorit's kids are frickin adorable.  Just focus on her kids.  

LVP for me, was what Beverly Hills was about.  She brought the house porn, the cars, the excess, some humor and a side of snark that is going to be missing from now on.  Kyle can bring the house porn, but she's just so vanilla.  

[nexxie]

32 minutes ago, Giselle said:

And if John Sessa said the sky was blue and water was wet I'd still would take everything he said with a mountain of salt & healthy dose of suspicion of ulterior motives. Shady, shady shady!

I suspect that both Johns were doing LVP’s dirty work - her modus operandi is well known at this point.

[65mickey]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

So, here we go again with Kyle's imaginary friend who had staff who showed up at the polygraph examiner's office and just HAPPENED to see LVP getting her screening polygraph test.  Don't believe Kyle at all, but, so what if she did?  LVP apparently passed it TWICE.   I suppose that Kyle is too ANXIOUS to undergo one.  I'd like to get her on a cross examination though.  

With all that LVP has done for the show and all Bravo could throw her was a pitiful bone!  Throwing in Camille for LVP is a joke.  She's a disaster and a back stabber.  Didn't LVP deserve more than that?  You are vile Mr. Cohen. 

Maybe Kyle's imaginary friend is the same friend that was passing pictures of Lunn's fiance Tom making out in a bar to Bethenny Frankel. This friend gets around to several franchises.

[Giselle]

39 minutes ago, Sarah Heart said:

Well LVP wasn't on, Camille was hardly on, and they didnt have that much fun. Migraines and meat not cooking( dull camping trip) . Hardly fun in my books.

Milage varies.

I sure as shit wasn't interested watching lap dogs both human (VPD) and canine.

While I don't mind a quick 15 seconds every couple of episodes (the way they show Kyle's dogs) I've found all the never fucking ending LVP dog stuff quite boring. I like dogs but if I want to watch them I'll watch them in 3D life or on animal planet. I dont need to see a half dead dog with a hand stuffed up his bum 3 times an episode.

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, nexxie said:

She was mentally and emotionally unhinged - if not “on something,” as Denise suggested, she is not well.

Oh Geez! 

Then again in this day and age where everything is an ailment and has to be some chemical imbalance or on some level of the autism spectrum or ADD or depression or anxiety I'm not surprised that simply being pissed off and loud is diagnosed as not being well.

Whatever happened to "just wanting to cut a bitch in the moment"?

Then again, I'm Puerto Rican and grew up in the '80's and '90's in The Bronx so there is that. We judge that type of behavior on a more real scale I guess.

Edited July 24, 2019 by Yours Truly

[nexxie]

1 minute ago, Yours Truly said:

Oh Geez! 

Then again in this day and age where everything is an ailment and has to be some chemical imbalance or on some level of the autism spectrum I'm not surprised that simply being pissed off and loud is diagnosed as not being well.

Whatever happened to "just wanting to cut a bitch in the moment"?

Then again, I'm Puerto Rican and grew up in the '80's and '90's in The Bronx so there is that. We judge that type of behavior on a more real scale I guess.

Camille was already in a frantic state when she arrived, and worked herself into a froth because she projected onto the others her own intentions. As it turned out, they remained calm and civilized, but she went off the rails. Drunk? Maybe. On another drug? Maybe. A mental and emotional wreck? Obviously.

[Keywestclubkid]

42 minutes ago, Giselle said:

Milage varies.

I sure as shit wasn't interested watching lap dogs both human (VPD) and canine.

While I don't mind a quick 15 seconds every couple of episodes (the way they show Kyle's dogs) I've found all the never fucking ending LVP dog stuff quite boring. I like dogs but if I want to watch them I'll watch them in 3D life or on animal planet. I dont need to see a half dead dog with a hand stuffed up his bum 3 times an episode.

I love this show is nothing without Lisa talking points now all they do is fight and turn on each other ROFL .. have we completely blocked out the past 5 seasons  or whatever of this show? they fight NO MATTER WHAT and guess what Lisa was part of if not the cause of 90% of those fights..... She brought nothing different and wasn't any less sneaky and backstabbing then any other housewife she just chose to use other people for her dirty work.... She wasn't ran off by these women she chose not to be a big girl and show up to work … its fine for her to sling mud at other housewives and to snicker and gloat over their being attacked but when it was her in the hot seat she chose to run because the girls were "ganging" up on her... that's stupid they are acting no different then they have with each other and just because she's Lisa doesn't mean she gets special treatment...… The same with Camille you cant straddle the fence and not be expected to be called out on it she's done it, they all have but when its focused on them its suddenly Mean girl mentality lol Camille is a classic mean girl lol 

Edited July 24, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[SunnyBeBe]

12 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Camille was already in a frantic state when she arrived, and worked herself into a froth because she projected onto the others her own intentions. As it turned out, they remained calm and civilized, but she went off the rails. Drunk? Maybe. On another drug? Maybe. A mental and emotional wreck? Obviously.

I think it was her script or storyline, whatever it's called in the world of reality tv.  But, still, I don't give her any slack. I don't think she minded that much.  It suits her.  To me,  you just don't do that.

Same goes to Kyle.   But, for Kyle and the other women to act like Camille addressing bad breath is worse than calling someone a huge liar about a matter that was important to them and they didn't do anything wrong!....I don't understand their reasoning.  Convoluted.  I don't even think they understand it.  Above their comprehension. 

Edited July 24, 2019 by SunnyBeBe

[Yours Truly]

12 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Camille was already in a frantic state when she arrived, and worked herself into a froth because she projected onto the others her own intentions. As it turned out, they remained calm and civilized, but she went off the rails. Drunk? Maybe. On another drug? Maybe. A mental and emotional wreck? Obviously.

Maybe cause they were harping on her non stop about one thing after another? Granted the reunion is to rehash but because her time on the couch is limited they were peppering here with one grievance after another all the while throwing gas lighting responses from more than one of them.  

Yes, she was already dreading it before going out there but again an episode of anger brought on by circumstances that, well pretty much, explains the reaction isn't such a puzzle to figure out. 

Just because the other women maintained their composure doesn't mean anything. They weren't the one's facing off with more than one.  Camille was. Also, different people have different levels of reactions. Just because someone comes off more loudly than someone else doesn't mean they are bound for a straight jacket. It just means the subject matter hits an uncomfortable nerve more strongly than it would for someone else. 

Assigning mental health issues to someone who reacts to stress differently than someone else is a pretty shitty thing to do (looking at you Denise) especially when the situation at hand pretty much warrants a heightened level of emotional response. Honestly it seemed pretty obvious that making Camille look bad was on the agenda. Not saying she didn't give them material but at the same time they pretty much rushed through the lawsuit topic, the lady chasing Dorit, the debacle with Kyle Teddi and Erika. It was spaced out discomfort for the ladies but again since Camille's time on the couch was limited it was a rapid fire of issues that she kept having to address.

Edited July 24, 2019 by Yours Truly

[Keywestclubkid]

14 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Maybe cause they were harping on her non stop about one thing after another? 

they weren't harping on her they weren't moderating the show and questions that was ANDY that's the funny part .. these women don't control what's asked and when that's GOD ANDY so saying these women were harping on her and it wasn't fair is not a real assessment when they didn't bring the topic up and had no control over anything I get wanting to blame them for whatever reason but that's not the truth  ......And anyway she straddled the fence and talked mad shit about ALL of them all season did she not expect that to be brought up at all? Again none of the ladies brought any of this up ANDY did  

Edited July 24, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[SweetieDarling]

Interesting that Rinna and Erika had a convenient episode of amnesia when talking about the Starbucks incident on the France trip. Also interesting was that Kyle was not going to let it slide, even if she only told half a story.

[Natalie68]

13 hours ago, renatae said:

Andy is finally asking the questions the viewers have had about the lawsuits, denials fly, and in the end, LisaV gets blamed by Teddi the Accountable as if she was the one who discussed them! These girls are nothing if not consistent.

Kyle, ever the sweetheart, nastily clapping back at the viewer who asked about Mauricio's suit, by saying, "Whoever the F Monty in Magootville is," shows exactly the disdain she holds the viewers in. What's the matter, Kyle? Not happy your 14th mounted attack on LVP didn't make you come out smelling like a rose in the minds of the viewers?

It looked to me like Teddi gave away a lot more than she meant to when she said that even in the beginning, she was ready to attack Dorito regarding the dog as soon as John asked, even before anyone claimed Lisa was involved.

And this is where the show lost me.  I watched the rest of this ep but won't be watching the 3rd.  Bitch we help finance your lifestyle so don't be such a see ya next Tuesday.

[nexxie]

I’m totally fine saying Camille was mentally and emotionally unhinged, that she was in a panic and off the rails - this is not about making a medical assessment; just about characterizing her behavior.

[tranquilidade]

39 minutes ago, nexxie said:

I suspect that both Johns were doing LVP’s dirty work - her modus operandi is well known at this point.

I think there is a problem with people like the Johns and Teddi trying to maneuver into LVP's  favor doing with they thought would  ingratiate them.  In this case I think LVP was distracted by her personal issues, and was not orchestrating anything.  It seems like we saw a ship off course with clumsy efforts to create drama on the show directed by a bunch of amateurs who did not know what they were doing and messed up royally.  

Teddi assumed Lisa was in on it and the John's assumed LIsa would love it if they got back at Dorit and I also think they themselves were enraged at Dorit and felt she deserved a beating. I still don't see how LVP orchestrated this.  I don't think she was focused on the puppy issue at all and as a result we got this mess.  She's better off without the show as now it is reduced to grifters.  Bravo attracts them or seeks them out.  Remember Dana Wilkey....just google her.  I rest my point. 

[BluBrd47]

7 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

And this is where the show lost me.  I watched the rest of this ep but won't be watching the 3rd.  Bitch we help finance your lifestyle so don't be such a see ya next Tuesday.

I’ll continue to watch but ya, cosigned. Don’t go on TV and shove THE AGENCY down our throats if you want to stay in the kitchen. And Kyle, didn’t you go to high school in podunkville? You didn’t grow up in no Beverly Hills.

[SweetieDarling]

I am confused (what else is new?) When Andy asked Teddi why she blindly went along with the text message plan without verifying Anything with LVP, her response was:

"Because when the person that works for you, and idolizes you, and does everything for you, Is calling you and saying"Ok, Lisa's freaking out, she can't get Dorit to call her back, she wants to use your name" I just went along with it."

I thought she had never spoken to John before, now he works for her, idolizes her and does everything for her? Did she mean he's loyal to LVP? Even if she was referring to LVP, it's still a lame excuse for someone who makes a living keeping people accountable, imo.

[smores]

13 hours ago, Beachdreamer said:

Kyle did not keep her cool when Mauricio's lawsuit came up.  She was taken by surprise there.  Which is strange, because it was all over social media leading up to the filming.  I wonder why she was so rattled that Andy brought it up.  Did she think he had her back in all things? 

She really lost her shit there.  It's totally ok to discuss the lawsuit LVP had in a previous season, but don't you dare bring up something that Kyle doesn't want to talk about.  The fact that she couldn't even remotely begin to address it in a calm way, but instead demeaned someone (a viewer), and was snotty and basically all "How dare you question it!" was ridiculous.  She could have gone the Dorit or Erika route and said that it's being resolved and can't be discussed because it's a pending matter and moved on.  But nope, her reaction shows it's a big deal. 

12 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

This is a very unpopular opinion, but I feel bad for Teddi.  Everyone is always calling her out, numerous times for the same infractions.  Most of the ladies have really let her have it over the past few seasons.   No wonder she feels insecure about her place in the group. 

Teddi doesn't have a problem throwing jabs at other people for whatever she feels that they are doing wrong.  She decided that Erika was lying about something she said last season (and all Erika had said was yes, when Teddi had gone off on a long diatribe), and accused her of having pretend amnesia.  Teddi was out for blood with Dorit for being late.  I dislike people being late, but Teddi would NOT let it go.  She also jumps into any conversation even if it has nothing to do with her.  Two people can be talking and then Teddi jumps in with her opinions and then gets butt hurt when people tell her to stop and let them finish what they are saying.  But heaven help you if you try to interrupt Teddi.  I can't feel badly for her when she goes around trying to hold everyone to some weird ass standards she can't be bothered to try to hold herself to.

12 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

I just read Kyles comments on twitter- she is a nut.  She can't stop herself from looking stupid.   She can't stand the negative feedback she gets and has to always be in the right....she also rewrites history and spins the truth shamelessly.

Kyle can't ever leave things alone.  She retweets things that are negative about other people.  She will argue with people who say negative things about her.  She tried to get a teacher fired because they called her Vyle Kyle on twitter.  

11 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Well, that was interesting. I am glad that it was brought up that LVP did not bother to ask Dorit who she gave Lucy to, or ask for a phone number and address to follow up on where Lucy was. As I have said all along, LVP was the original puppy dumper.

That's not true, though.  When Dorit called LVP the day AFTER she had given LLAJ away, LVP told Dorit that they would need to do a home visit for the dog at it's new home.  And she asked for the contact info for the woman.  Dorit did not provide it on that call.  Since Dorit is a friend and LVP took her word that the dog was in a good home, she assumed that it would be ok for the dog to stay where it was and do the visit in the next week, etc.  

LVP's team tried to follow up with Dorit a couple of times to get the information to do the visit and before they got the information, the dog ended up in the shelter.  Dorit has yet to explain who had the dog, or provide a name.  

[RealHousewife]

15 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I think it was her script or storyline, whatever it's called in the world of reality tv.  But, still, I don't give her any slack. I don't think she minded that much.  It suits her.  To me,  you just don't do that.

Same goes to Kyle.   But, for Kyle and the other women to act like Camille addressing bad breath is worse than calling someone a huge liar about a matter that was important to them and they didn't do anything wrong!....I don't understand their reasoning.  Convoluted.  I don't even think they understand it.  Above their comprehension. 

I think both are hurtful, but I do see a difference. It is bizarre to me how some of these ladies think it’s no big deal being called a liar. That’s not something I’d want to agree to disagree with in my friendships. So I totally see where you’re coming from. However I think the way most of these ladies roll is to be honest about whatever is going on within the group during filming-don’t out family secrets, bring malicious gossip into the show, or say things for the sake of being mean. The idea is to keep it about the drama that occurs within the group and being honest about your feelings. This way you get some drama without feeling like your family or deepest, darkest stuff may come out at any time. Some things are just not necessary and low blows. When you start talking about someone’s hygiene, it’s nothing but mean. What does that have to do with anything? LVP has always come across as someone who’d smell fantastic. She’s so pretty, feminine, and elegant, you almost think she can’t possibly have morning breath, BO, or even go to the bathroom. I kid, but really, you just picture roses and loveliness when you think of her. Now everyone’s wondering about her breath. Camille even threw LVP under the bus again regarding her breath just to get back at Kyle. It’s not something she can easily defend really. At least she was able to take a lie detector test regarding Radar. 

I feel the same about what Camille’s said about Kelsey. Him cheating on her was wrong. But some of the things she says about him are mortifying. Why? To get back at him, even all these years later? Why not take the high road? 

[nexxie]

2 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

I think there is a problem with people like the Johns and Teddi trying to maneuver into LVP's  favor doing with they thought would  ingratiate them.  In this case I think LVP was distracted by her personal issues, and was not orchestrating anything.  It seems like we saw a ship off course with clumsy efforts to create drama on the show directed by a bunch of amateurs who did not know what they were doing and messed up royally.  

Teddi assumed Lisa was in on it and the John's assumed LIsa would love it if they got back at Dorit and I also think they themselves were enraged at Dorit and felt she deserved a beating. I still don't see how LVP orchestrated this.  I don't think she was focused on the puppy issue at all and as a result we got this mess.  She's better off without the show as now it is reduced to grifters.  Bravo attracts them or seeks them out.  Remember Dana Wilkey....just google her.  I rest my point. 

Sorry, after watching LVP in action all these years it’s clear to me how she operates.

[TV Diva Queen]

I don't get what happened at the pool in the Bahamas with Dorito.  Was it a process server?  

[tranquilidade]

1 minute ago, TV Diva Queen said:

I don't get what happened at the pool in the Bahamas with Dorito.  Was it a process server?  

No it seemed like someone was involved with or was the party owed money.