S11.E17: Jesus, the Countess and Joseph

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

Oh Ramona, you never disappoint:  "When in Rome, do as in Rome"

Kadooz to Ramona for another great quote!  I know that she says and does some stupid things sometimes, but I just can't quit Ramona and her noodle.  Who doesn't love a pool noodle?  Nobody?  Okay, party of one here!

Even though it was rude of Ramona to schedule the surprise party when she did, I really can't blame her.  I'd rather had been there than at LuAnn's cabaret.  They've all seen it.  They don't want to have to go every time she changes it up a bit, but LuAnn expects loyalty from them and nothing less than them sitting through the whole damn show is going to make her happy.  Of course you MUST stop and see her before the show.  It's show biz don't 'cha know!  Then it's 'off with them, the little serfs.'  The Countess will not suffer these fools in her dressing room! 

[LibertarianSlut]

12 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

 I too, don’t think it’s anyones business about Tinsley’s relationship with Scott or her finances. Sonja would be pissed off if she started in on her about it. Why do they think she is back with Scott? Do they know something we don’t?

There are certain limited circumstances under which I would a.) normally agree with you that Scott is no one's business, except that Tinsley capitalized off Scott and made him our business as a participant in a reality show; and b.) I definitely think they know something we don't about Tinsley's situation, which makes for terrible TV.  If Sonja was pissed for getting caught hiding something, I'd hope she'd be called to the carpet too.

2 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

I find it incredibly rich than Dorinda is screeching at Tinsley for allegedly still sleeping with Scott so she can buy nice things.  Rich because Dorinda has admitted she stays with John, at least in part, so she can get her dry cleaning done.  Dorinda needs to take a dozen seats.  

Why is this even an issue?  Tinsley is an adult.  If she's still seeing or sleeping with Scott, or spending his money, that's her business.  Period.  

But, to me, Doris is admitting to her arrangement with John, and allowing us into her life to judge in exchange for a small fortune.  The fact that she has an arrangement with John that is displayed for our consumption gives her more, not less, or a right to expect that Tinsley do the same IMO.

Also, Tinsley made her relationship with Scott our business--both the viewers' and her "friends"--when she went to the hotel/day spa earlier this season and informed people that she was broken up with Scott.  If these people are supposed to be her friends--and they are all getting paid big money to at least pretend to be friends--it is their business if a friend is still seeing a person that she claimed was an ex.  Judging by Tinsley's reaction to Carole at last season's reunion, I think Tinsley does, or is doing a good job of pretending, that she considers these people friends.

This situation reminds me of Teresa Guidice on season four of RHNJ.  She kept giving stories to the tabloids that she might go to jail, yet Teresa and the vast majority of the audience claimed that Teresa's situation was private and none of our or her co-stars' business.  Of course it's our/their business.  It's so simple--get off reality TV if you don't want to share.  But neither Teresa nor Tinsley are capable of that, because they're addicted to fame.

1 hour ago, Otherkate said:

 Personally, I know I'd have a hard time being good friends with Tinsley. She's super immature and doesn't seem to have any real - in my opinion - grown up goals for herself. I'd have a really tough time respecting her. That said, even if Dorinda is annoyed by Tinsley's whatever tf it is with Scott, why on earth be PERSONALLY offended? 

Thank you for saying this.  I have the same view, and I feel like very few have that view of Tinsley.  She is spoiled and she yells (she did a lot of yelling this episode), she whines, she often gesticulates as an alternative to using words, (which I find so annoying in a person who is supposedly educated), she falls on the floor when a man shows up, makes out with random dudes in public, shares intimate details of her former marriage with friends and strangers, even though it embarrasses her ex-husband and his wife, she cries A LOT, she can be a sloppy/nasty drunk, and now she's hiding things.  Lovely.

People on this board have said that 43 was a hard year for them.  I think that's what's happening to Tinsley--she's coming apart at the seams, because she is realizing she hasn't made decisions that will put her where she wants to be in life and now it's bordering on too late.  So we get a weekly meltdown, and I'm not here for that.  At least Bethenny is (usually) coherent in her meltdowns.  

Like I have said, I think Dorinda is or is pretending to be personally offended because Tinsley is hiding something.  Putting the fact that she's on a reality show aside for a moment, I wouldn't like it either if a *friend* usurped all of the attention at my spa party because of her breakup, and now it appears he's keeping her, but mum's the word.  Are we friends, or aren't we friends?  If you don't trust me enough to be honest about Scott, I guess we aren't friends, alrighty then.  

How many of us would be ok with a friend who was in a relationship, and didn't just refuse to talk about it, but lied about it?  That's not a friend to me.  Someone who won't tell me about their guy is an acquaintance.  Someone who lies is nobody to me.  Dorinda has the capacity to be a very good friend to her people, and I think this was her way of putting Tinsley on notice that, if you're not going to be upfront about Scott the way I am with John, then I guess we're not friends.  Fair point.

As I stated, Dorinda shares about John.  Sonja shares about her assorted men.  Bethenny talks about this Boston guy pretty frequently.  If Luann was seeing anyone, I'm sure we would all know way too much about it (Tom, anyone?).  Ramona is coy, but she always gets busted, and when she does, she shrugs and owns up to it.  Plus, all Ramona is doing is going on dates/making out.  If--and it's a big if--If Tinsley isn't hiding all sorts of things, such as whether she lives in New York, and she is just lying about Scott, it is a big deal, because Tinsley is always going to want marriage (and probably a child) with Scott.  So if she's with him in any capacity, it's a big deal, even if it's not a big deal to Scott.  If she's with Scott, she's not single, and I'm from the place where I think I'm entitled to know if my friends are or are not single.  No one should feel that they should have to divulge every detail, but for me, "it's complicated" is a Facebook status, not a sufficient explanation to a friend of whether you're in a relationship.

If, perhaps, any individual factor were shifted--if Tinsley wasn't on reality TV, if she hadn't been nasty, if she hadn't started screaming, if there weren't other potential lies lurking, if the woman was mature and didn't subject us to a weekly breakdown over Scott, if she had anything to offer other than these alleged manners of hers--I would perhaps reassess the situation and not be so harsh.  But her shit has reached a fever pitch with this viewer, so I can only imagine how much it's wearing on the people who film with her.  I guess we'll see more at the reunion.

[Sharonana]

Maybe Shep from Southern Charm should try to hook up with Tinsley. They are southern, both have family money without any kind of employment goals, and they can knock back some drinks like nobody's business. LOL. She would love his new dog, and he's young enough to impregnate her.

[RedDelicious]

47 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Carole represents a company that sells sex toys on Evine Live Shopping channel. They have a show called Evine after dark where they sell these items. She appeared with a group of women several months ago where they showed these toys and talked rather graphically about their sex practices. How the mighty have fallen. 

I freaking LOVE watching Evine 😂 

ETA: I should clarify that I love to watch the segments on “designer” Santa Clauses and Waterford Crystal. The commentary is even better than Signature Club A on HSN. I didn’t realize there was a sex toy show!

Edited June 28, 2019 by RedDelicious

[retired watcher]

46 minutes in Luann is a BITCH. "That's show business?" You can also shut the f*** up.

[Chit Chat]

5 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

 Dorinda has the capacity to be a very good friend to her people, and I think this was her way of putting Tinsley on notice that, if you're not going to be upfront about Scott the way I am with John, then I guess we're not friends.

I think that Tinsley sees these women as just co-workers.  Apparently she doesn't trust them enough to confide in them (she pretty much said that.)  She sees how they can backstab each other, so I wouldn't trust them with much information either.  Dorinda can stir the shit with the best of them, so I don't blame Tinsley for being leery of her. 

I think that Tinsley's life away from this show would be more entertaining to watch.  I think she's got plenty of close friends to confide in.  I don't think that any of the ladies are necessarily entitled to know everything about her.  Just because they put it all out there doesn't mean that Tinsley has to.  She's been pretty open about her arrest and other issues, so I don't feel like I'm missing anything with her story.  Dorinda has made Tinsley's spending habits her concern, and she really shouldn't.  Tinsley owes them no explanation about that.  

[tranquilidade]

My reaction to Dorinda's treatment of Tinsley is not that Scott is not our business but that Dorinda accused her of being financially supported by him in order to look so good!  That was insulting and humiliating.   She never even gave Tinsley a shot at explaining the lovely new dress not that it needs explaining.  They are just so jealous.   Ramona was the one that blurted it out but they discussed it at cool spa and the ambush was thus planned--- Let's out her and put her in her place sort of thing.  Very disgusting.  Even if the dress was from Scott, it doesn't necessarily mean she is still involved with him.  He could have been sending things to get her back.  I think he broke it off when she got clingy and then came back when he had nothing going on for more of her attention, knowing she would be available and eager to give it. 

[RedDelicious]

31 minutes ago, jayfay said:

Did you see the way she avoided kissing him on the lips at her surprise birthday party? He looked so hurt. I felt hurt for him. 

I felt that way too but I was thinking it might have been because Hannah was right there?

[kicksave]

What a mess last night. After viewing the shrews ganging up on Tinsley over a drummed up Dorinda brain fart, I decided that I really don't like any of these women with the exception of Tinsley. The mob mentality has been prevalent all season whether it's aimed at LuAnn, Tinsley or Barbara is pathetic and gross. It's as bad as middle school. And Sonja really relishes in attacking Tinsley every chance she can get. What business it is of hers what clothes Tinsley buys? Jealous much Sonja? Saying Tinsley's time is up in NYC had me LMFAO. If anyone's time is up it's a 55 year old divorcee who makes a fool of herself with her drunken behavior and make out sessions on TV with random women. As for Dorinda...she is a nasty, mean spirited, bitter bitch. I really dislike her and her snarky smarmy remarks.

Bethenny is a drama queen. This whole incident with her allergy to fish and anaphylactic shock was puzzling to me...why doesn't she have an Epi-Pen in her purse and carry it EVERYWHERE she goes??? Unbelievable...I have several relatives that have food allergies and don't go anywhere without their Epi-pen...she really is stupid if she doesn't carry an Epi-Pen on her at all times. Has anyone noticed she's always just a few steps away from dying when she has a medical issue? I also thought her remarks about Dennis in the car on the way to her "party" (more on that later) were callous and cold. It's over, I'm done thinking about him, he's where he is and I'm here and I'm moving on...wow! Didn't she just have a category five shit storm at LuAnn in Miami about not asking how she's doing with Dennis's death? What an effing narcissistic nut job she is. And that party was vulgar and immature. That's a Christmas party? Strippers and tons of sexual innuendo from menopausal women would even make the RHONJ blush. Ecchhh...I'm done with her and all the cackling hens on here.

Edited June 28, 2019 by kicksave

[nr65000]

3 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

Even liquid benadryl would need to be swallowed.  That story was fishy.

*fishy....that's what started all this!!!!!  I must be a cold, hard woman, but all I could do was roll my eyes while she hysterically recounted her brush with death.  When she then went on to say that she felt Dennis tugging at her from "the other side", I just sighed.  I can not imagine a more narcissistic statement.  That she continues to make this man's death all about her is disgusting and vulgar.  She is absolutely ridiculous and absurd.

[RedDelicious]

You would think she’d have an epi pen in a holster on her person after the incident in Cartagena, writhing on the bathroom floor like that.

[Yours Truly]

2 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

Luann is an attractive woman, and the Count is not ugly, but, Jeez- their genetics did not blend well. 

Isn't it crazy how that happens??? Like Bruce Willis and Demi Moore... Head scratcher for sure.

[nr65000]

2 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

But, I also would expect someone who travels as often as she does, and still gets her period, to keep a backup stash of feminine hygiene products in her travel bag.

Then she wouldn't be able to keep spouting her age-shamey jokes about how nobody else in the group needs a tampon anymore.  She's done it twice now and it wasn't funny either time.  

[RedDelicious]

12 hours ago, Barbara Please said:

Can we talk about the guy near the front of Lu's show who appeared to be having orgasmic fits over the show? 

He somewhat resembles and is dressed not unlike John John Kennedy ☺️

[gingerella]

29 minutes ago, kicksave said:

porn stache.

Hmmm, I'm going to differ. Porn staches are bigger and fluffier, Noel looked like a teen who finally grew enough hair on his upper lip and thought a mustache would make him look older. Except to me, he now looks like he's trying out for a part in a school play, playing the part of a 41 year old Frenchman who hawks peanuts in the park, with a pet monkey and an accordian. Just, no. But Lu wouldn't have even noticed that mustache because she's so far up her own ass 24/7.

Leave it to B to have YET ANOTHER life-threatening emergency around food! She must have nine lives because, according to her, she's cheated death how many times now? She's so full of shit it's pathetic.

And don't get me started on Tinsley and her expensive wardrobe. Who the fuck cares where her money comes from? I thought she was from a family that had considerable wealth. I mean she lives in a luxury hotel because she's too dim to know how to set up her own apartment. She can't hold a job with her lack of smarts and I assumed she lived off money her mother gave her. Big deal. I should be so lucky to have all that money. And why the histrionics over Scott? He's barely passable in the looks and personality department. If he thinks he's a player, it must be his wallet that attracts the ladies to him.

Uch, all these women are hideous. Yet another BravHo franchise that needs a 100% reboot or just go away already. And I say that as a long time lover of this franchise. Maybe I'd keep Moaner and add new people. Moaner can be amusing when she's not being goaded into being a mean girl to keep up with B.

[tranquilidade]

1 minute ago, gingerella said:

Hmmm, I'm going to differ. Porn staches are bigger and fluffier, Noel looked like a teen who finally grew enough hair on his upper lip and thought a mustache would make him look older. Except to me, he now looks like he's trying out for a part in a school play, playing the part of a 41 year old Frenchman who hawks peanuts in the park, with a pet monkey and an accordian. Just, no. But Lu wouldn't have even noticed that mustache because she's so far up her own ass 24/7.

Leave it to B to have YET ANOTHER life-threatening emergency around food! She must have nine lives because, according to her, she's cheated death how many times now? She's so full of shit it's pathetic.

And don't get me started on Tinsley and her expensive wardrobe. Who the fuck cares where her money comes from? I thought she was from a family that had considerable wealth. I mean she lives in a luxury hotel because she's too dim to know how to set up her own apartment. She can't hold a job with her lack of smarts and I assumed she lived off money her mother gave her. Big deal. I should be so lucky to have all that money. And why the histrionics over Scott? He's barely passable in the looks and personality department. If he thinks he's a player, it must be his wallet that attracts the ladies to him.

Uch, all these women are hideous. Yet another BravHo franchise that needs a 100% reboot or just go away already. And I say that as a long time lover of this franchise. Maybe I'd keep Moaner and add new people. Moaner can be amusing when she's not being goaded into being a mean girl to keep up with B.

I don't want to sound like  a Tinsley fanatic or anything and I get that she can be criticized for her pampered and spoiled life but you might be very surprised to learn about her education and talents in life. She  went to the University of North Carolina and Columbia and she is an accomplished athlete in tennis and ice skating!  Just thought some might find that interesting.  She is probably the most educated of the bunch.

[Yours Truly]

53 minutes ago, divsc said:

Tinsley: "I can text who I want! .....when I'm not blocked!!" 😂

I was half paying attention scrolling through my phone when I heard her say that and I bellowed soooooo loud. I grabbed the remote and hit rewind. It was just perfect...

[kicksave]

2 minutes ago, gingerella said:

Hmmm, I'm going to differ. Porn staches are bigger and fluffier, Noel looked like a teen who finally grew enough hair on his upper lip and thought a mustache would make him look older. Except to me, he now looks like he's trying out for a part in a school play, playing the part of a 41 year old Frenchman who hawks peanuts in the park, with a pet monkey and an accordian. Just, no. But Lu wouldn't have even noticed that mustache because she's so far up her own ass 24/7.

Leave it to B to have YET ANOTHER life-threatening emergency around food! She must have nine lives because, according to her, she's cheated death how many times now? She's so full of shit it's pathetic.

And don't get me started on Tinsley and her expensive wardrobe. Who the fuck cares where her money comes from? I thought she was from a family that had considerable wealth. I mean she lives in a luxury hotel because she's too dim to know how to set up her own apartment. She can't hold a job with her lack of smarts and I assumed she lived off money her mother gave her. Big deal. I should be so lucky to have all that money. And why the histrionics over Scott? He's barely passable in the looks and personality department. If he thinks he's a player, it must be his wallet that attracts the ladies to him.

Uch, all these women are hideous. Yet another BravHo franchise that needs a 100% reboot or just go away already. And I say that as a long time lover of this franchise. Maybe I'd keep Moaner and add new people. Moaner can be amusing when she's not being goaded into being a mean girl to keep up with B.

Tinsley is a wealthy debutante that lived the debutante lifestyle for many years...she has personal wealth from her family and did have a career of sorts at one time as a socialite who had endorsement deals and did charity work. She's not a business woman...she ran with the country club, Palm Beach, Hamptons crowd that is loaded with girls like herself. I think she was angry that the other cows were accusing her of being a "kept" woman. They all have their issues and weaknesses but to attack someone for something like this without proof or knowledge of it is really disgusting in my book. 

[Baltimore Betty]

Lu makes me think of Florence Foster Jenkins every time she sings.

[laprin]

16 hours ago, FlyingEgret said:

Love Beth's very casual mention of her Boyfriend Paul when just a few days ago she freaked out because Lu hadn't recently asked how she was getting along without her dead fiance...

I see these kinds of comments a lot and I'm always confused by the implied criticism.  First, Bethenny has said many times that she and Dennis were on a hiatus. She wasn't secretly stepping out on him. Second, if someone you genuinely loved and cared for dies, but you have another man in your life, are you not allowed to grieve?  How dare Beth!  Once an ex, he must be banished from all memory, I guess. 

[sasha206]

36 minutes ago, Sharonana said:

Maybe Shep from Southern Charm should try to hook up with Tinsley. They are southern, both have family money without any kind of employment goals, and they can knock back some drinks like nobody's business. LOL. She would love his new dog, and he's young enough to impregnate her.

She would be too old for him.  Guaranteed.

[QuinnM]

1 minute ago, laprin said:

Once an ex, he must be banished from all memory, I guess. 

His ex wife, living with her new boyfriend, still talks about him constantly on social media.  So Bethenny has company.

[Mindthinkr]

I don’t think that Lu really wanted to see the ladies at her show. It was a means of getting the cameras there. Especially the set up where the women were waiting to see her backstage and we conveniently held in front of her statement necklace line.

Lol on Sonja for having no shame and helping herself to whatever she can get. 

The ladies should have sent some flowers to Tins on the loss of her dog. She is always bringing them flowers so you know that she thinks that they are a good gift choice. 

The ladies seem jealous of the way that Tinsley dresses. She is the best dressed of the bunch. 

Ramona dealt a low blow having her party at the same time as Lu’s show. Who were half of those people? Sonja said “Oh good, she invited some of my friends”. I’m sure the ladies were grateful not to have to sit through another Jovani act. The singing from Lu was horrible. 

Bethenny is always in disaster mode. Many of which could be avoided by carrying feminine products and an Epi Pen. Poor Brynn. I’m sure that little girl lives on eggshells (walking around those parents). 

Barbara...bye. 

I don’t think Dorinda is ever totally sober or straight. 

Edited June 28, 2019 by Mindthinkr

[sasha206]

12 minutes ago, laprin said:

I see these kinds of comments a lot and I'm always confused by the implied criticism.  First, Bethenny has said many times that she and Dennis were on a hiatus. She wasn't secretly stepping out on him. Second, if someone you genuinely loved and cared for dies, but you have another man in your life, are you not allowed to grieve?  How dare Beth!  Once an ex, he must be banished from all memory, I guess. 

Hasn't she also called him her ex-fiance even though she also said she didn't accept his proposal b/c they had a lot of issues?

I don't care if she has a lover and is mourning her ex.  What bothers me is that she's made it a plot line of this show to the extent where she's talked about how in love he was with her and wondered if that was the reason for his death.  That's fucking disrespectful to his family.  It's a gross speculation to make about on a reality TV show.

She could've easily mourned him in a way that honored him and was respectful to his family.  She didn't.  She even moaned about not place at his funeral!

Edited June 28, 2019 by sasha206

[laprin]

16 hours ago, whydoievencare said:

I'm actually surprised how nasty Dorinda was about Tinsley telling her she doesn't want to fight about Scott as she isn't with him any longer.  Why is Dorinda being like that?  Actually I just realized it's probably  because Dorinda feels she is above Tinsley in the Housewife Hierarchy - so she can be a total bitch to her.

I think Dorinda is jealous. Every other woman that has been in a relationship with a man, in which finances were involved, has had her lifestyle negatively impacted by the breakup. She even said as much the prior episode. Dorinda resents that she had to downsize when Richard died and Tinsley's lifestyle seems to never be impacted by the end of her relationships. 

[tranquilidade]

7 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

His ex wife, living with her new boyfriend, still talks about him constantly on social media.  So Bethenny has company.

I agree that Bethenny can be grieving with a new boyfriend but she sure bounced back quickly considering she said there was an offer of marriage on the table and she took the ring.   It makes her look very superficial.  

[thesupremediva1]

The biggest Housewife miscalculation comes in the form of picking on the one person who is NOT  an asshole. Ganging up on Tins was a major misstep. It made Ro, Dor, and Son look like old, jealous hags who have nothing better to do than gossip about a woman who looks like she could be their daughter. 

And, hate to break it to you, B, but you'll suffer too if you want to go at Tins at the reunion. No one is going to excuse that shit - you're just outing yourself as a jealous bitch who can't stand to see a younger, prettier woman be happy or successful. 

Lu is behaving like a monster but clearly the ladies are signing up for the emotional battery. I'm 99% sure production forced them to go to the cabaret to see Lu. I don't think they wanted to be there, and I don't think Lu wanted them there. Ro got a pass because she organized the competing event.

Cemented feelings: I wouldn't ever want to be Bethenny, even with all her money and her impossibly thin body. Tragedy just stalks that woman. Misery is her constant companion. 

Babs is gonna catch hell for it, but I don't see why - even Lu routinely acknowledges that she is not a great singer. Everyone knows that cabaret is based on her Bravolebrity status and nothing more. If not for the arrest, the drinking, the failed marriages, and the tumble in the bushes, of course she wouldn't have a show. We are all in on the joke.

I think Lu is aware she needs to bring her "persona" to that show, and "voice" is far down on the list. Is she off the deep about it? Sure.  But for all the try-hard ho's who've pushed their caterwauling at us (Kim Z, Missy Gorga, Danielle Staub, Staub's offspring, I could go on..) Lu is the only one who seems to be making a decent living off of live performing. 

The art of cabaret is 90% chatting and relating to the audience. I have not seen her show, but I'd imagine she had to go over lines, jokes, etc. It's not like we see her warming up her voice.

Anyway, I'm sick of the ladies picking on Barb. I hope Barb doesn't come back, just because I don't like to see women ganged up on and mistreated. She didn't ruin Sonja's surprise - RAMONA DID - by purposely scheduling it during Lu's show! HELLOOOO

[Yours Truly]

38 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Kadooz to Ramona for another great quote!  I know that she says and does some stupid things sometimes, but I just can't quit Ramona and her noodle.  Who doesn't love a pool noodle?  Nobody?  Okay, party of one here!

Even though it was rude of Ramona to schedule the surprise party when she did, I really can't blame her.  I'd rather had been there than at LuAnn's cabaret.  They've all seen it.  They don't want to have to go every time she changes it up a bit, but LuAnn expects loyalty from them and nothing less than them sitting through the whole damn show is going to make her happy.  Of course you MUST stop and see her before the show.  It's show biz don't 'cha know!  Then it's 'off with them, the little serfs.'  The Countess will not suffer these fools in her dressing room! 

It's camera time actually.....

It's really so annoying to watch these women pretend that Lu's only reason for being pushy about it is cause she's sooooooooooooo delusional and narcissistic and it's all about Lu all the time. They are incorporating that narrative to be witches cause come on.. I may be alone but I'm calling BS on the women's attempt at assigning so much "Lu's so up her own ass" to Lu's actions this season. The girl is trying to promote her show! Duh!!! She needs ya'll in attenendance more often that she would normally request the average friend to attend. HELLO!!! I'm pretty sure she's trying to get ya'll to bring the cameras.  The fact that they know she can't break the fourth wall and just bark the plain truth out to them is what aggravated me so much. 

Lu's pretty flippant and straight up with regards to how she reacts to these women. "you don't like the candle?.... then don't buy one"... I don't think it would be hard for her to accept non attendance for the average reasons but she's asking and hoping that they will agree to appear for some shows so that it can be picked up during filming and featured on the show. While they are filming they don't know what they will end up using or how much of any housewives story is used so every opportunity matters. 

I hate how diliberately obtuse the women always are when it comes to the mechanics regarding Lu's cabaret and how she's just trying to tie a bit of it to the show for publicity purposes. MY GOD! Not rocket science. I think what's worse is the women know and they are getting a kick at bashing Lu about it, spinning it into the whole "Lu's so insufferable" bit. There's just something about Lu's reactions to them that seem to reflect a vibe that she's miffed that they are pulling this on her. I don't know how to describe it but during some of those confrontations Lu's got this steely gaze that just seems like "really guys? ya'll doing this to me for real? Knowing I don't have a come back or an explanation that I can say during filming?"  To me this forces her to be stand offish and dismissive cause she can't really express what truly is her reasoning (camera time and promotion)  I know that may sound like a stretch to some but I really believe this may be the case. 

And of course Lu's natural self centeredness does nothing but reinforce the narrative the others are trying to push so in the end pooffff! That's where we are meanwhile if you look back through the season all we really have are scenes where Lu isn't all that attentive, is pushy about her show, doesn't coddle Sonja and gets a bit snooty with Dorinda then Beth.  Where's the outrageousness? Some of those behaviors were preceded by the women catching attitude with Lu first and Lu's natural reaction so in reality was there really any true legitimate gripe that was sooooooo absolutely justified? 

Not to me. 

[islandgal140]

Wasn't it Dorinda who let us know that "money talks but true wealth whispers"? Would a person of true wealth pose a question to a woman (she isn't even really that close with) of who she paying for her clothing, shoes and handbags? What the fuck business is that of Dorinda's? Tinsley could be laying it low and spreading it wide for all comers, charging thousands a pop and that would still be none of Dorinda's damn business.  Plus, better to prostitute for thousand dollar dresses, shoes, bags and hotel stays as opposed to dry cleaning services from Armenian George Jefferson.

That whole Tins gangup felt like an attempt at season finale drama. They pretty much shot their wad on their myriad of issues with Lu so they needed something. 

There was a dude in the front row at Lu's that looked like he was having the time of his damn life. You would think he was watching Celine Dion perform her greatest hits by the looks on his face. I hope he was compensation highly or just plain high. Shit, it could be both. 

Halloween in the Berkshires was cool, but I missed christmas in the Berkshires this year. 

I'm convinced that Ramona and Mario are getting it on.

16 hours ago, goofygirl said:

So.... A little bit of fish will put Bethenny into anaphylactic shock? Wowza.  Wonder if Jason knows that? EPI PEN! You can afford two! or fifty! Lawdy, they are expensive!

On New Year's Day 2019, in the NYC area a young boy died just from the smell of fish cooking. The family actually did know he was allergic to fish, however he and his dad went to his grandma's and she was merely cooking fish and it killed him. Crazy!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/03/boy-11-died-allergic-reaction-smelling-fish-police-say/2476968002/

Dennis is going through great lengths to punch a hole into this mortal plane just to tell B how gorgeous she looks and tell her that getting the D elsewhere is A-okay. Is it any wonder he wants to get a little to go plate for all his trouble.

Edited June 28, 2019 by islandgal140

[QuinnM]

12 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

I agree that Bethenny can be grieving with a new boyfriend but she sure bounced back quickly considering she said there was an offer of marriage on the table and she took the ring.   It makes her look very superficial.  

She wouldn't say yes or have him in her life when he was struggling with drugs.  Makes her look smart.

[divsc]

I really don't get the whole gang up on Tinsely for her relationship or situationship for whatever it is. Who cares. There is nothing wrong with keeping details to yourself or being selective with what you share or evasive to people who don't have your best interests at heart. Especially when the "relationship" is the ridiculous kind with constant break ups or on a break or getting back together - she should just deal with it on her own - the status is going to change in five minutes anyways. Maybe she doesn't want them chiming in or badgering about it or trashing Scott on television. I get they are all on a reality show together, but they act so personally offended. 

I'm sure Tinsley has her own real friends who are closer to her age and can better relate. Maybe she talks to them, maybe she doesn't. She's also extremely close to her mother and she also has a therapist. She doesn't need to share with them too. Who cares if she keeps her private business to herself. I don't like how the single woman's private life is open to scrutiny and invasive questions and demands to know more, but prying about someone's marriage or what's really going on in the relationship is considered off limits and hitting below the belt. These women are coming off like a bunch of old biddies, nosy, prying, invasive, nasty, gossipy, just ugh. 

The only thing I can think of is that they want her off the show for some reason so want to make a case that she's only staying at a hotel for the show and doesn't actually live in New York City so shouldn't be a NYC housewife.

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

I don’t think that Lu really wanted to see the ladies at her show. It was a means of getting the cameras there. Especially the set up where the women were waiting to see her backstage and we conveniently held in front of her statement necklace line.

Lol on Sonja for having no shame and helping herself to whatever she can get. 

The ladies should have sent some flowers to Tins on the loss of her dog. She is always bringing them flowers so you know that she thinks that they are a good gift choice. 

The ladies seem jealous of the way that Tinsley dresses. She is the best dressed of the bunch. 

Ramona dealt a low blow having her party at the same time as Lu’s show. Who were half of those people? Sonja said “Oh good, she invited some of my friends”. I’m sure the ladies were grateful not to have to sit through another Jovani act. The singing from Lu was horrible. 

Bethenny is always in disaster mode. Many of which could be avoided by carrying feminine products and an Epi Pen. Poor Brynn. I’m sure that little girl lives on eggshells (walking around those parents). 

Barbara...bye. 

I don’t think Dorinda is ever totally sober or straight. 

THANK YOU! And her annoyance with them was with the fact that they didn't want to bring the cameras to begin with but ended up "giving in" but then became a disruption for LU while trying to prep for her show and at that point you can see the "oh please" vibe coming from her. Like "are we really going to fake the funk here?, Do you really need me to entertain this false 'well wishes, we've come at your bequest' 10 minutes before I'm due on stage? Oh come on" 

I completely understood Lu's exasperation with them. She knows they don't want to be there, but then want to make this big show of "support" inauthentically and then be disruptive in the process.  It was a half ass compromise for some camera time, the women knew it Lu knew it so why were they still expecting to make it some elaborate display that would required Lu to entertain them for any amount of time? Come in, air kiss, kiss wish Lu well and bid her adieu. I think that's what Lu expected them to do. I mean, she knew they weren't staying for the show so what the hell else was Lu supposed to do with them? Especially as she's getting ready for the show.

Again, it was all about getting the camera's there for a spell so for the women to still spin the narrative and focus on Lu's lack of attention to them is just so lame. And pretty obvious. At least to me and to Lu, I think, which explains why she's been receiving them so distastefully this season. 

Edited June 28, 2019 by Yours Truly

[Thisgirllovespasta]

15 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

It's clear that she is still mourning Richard. John will never measure up to him in her eyes and he knows it. But he'll stay as long as she allows it. It seems really unfair.

This is so true. My friend was dating a widow. He winded up breaking it off with her. He said he couldn't compete with a ghost.

[cheewhiz]

I thought that the party decorations at Pamona were tragic when Ramona arrived. She really did make it a lot better.  When she arrived it looked like the back room of some second rate pizza restaurant. I would have done exactly what Ramona did, but I would have been much nicer to the wait staff of course.

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, thesupremediva1 said:

I think Lu is aware she needs to bring her "persona" to that show, and "voice" is far down on the list. Is she off the deep about it? Sure.  But for all the try-hard ho's who've pushed their caterwauling at us (Kim Z, Missy Gorga, Danielle Staub, Staub's offspring, I could go on..) Lu is the only one who seems to be making a decent living off of live performing. 

The art of cabaret is 90% chatting and relating to the audience. I have not seen her show, but I'd imagine she had to go over lines, jokes, etc. It's not like we see her warming up her voice.

Somebody gets it!!

Edited June 28, 2019 by Yours Truly

[tranquilidade]

1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

She wouldn't say yes or have him in her life when he was struggling with drugs.  Makes her look smart.

I didn't know he was struggling with drugs.   I don't know, that doesn't change my view.

[tranquilidade]

16 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

THANK YOU! And her annoyance with them was with the fact that they didn't want to bring the cameras to begin with but ended up "giving in" but then became a disruption for LU while trying to prep for her show and at that point you can see the "oh please" vibe coming from her. Like "are we really going to fake the funk here?, Do you really need me to entertain this false 'well wishes, we've come at your bequest' 10 minutes before I'm due on stage? Oh come one" 

I completely understood Lu's exasperation with them. She knows they don't want to be there, but then want to make this big show of "support" inauthentically and then be disruptive in the process.  It was a half ass compromise for some camera time, the women knew it Lu knew it so why were they still expecting to make it some elaborate display that would required Lu to entertain them for any amount of time? Come in, air kiss, kiss wish Lu well and bid her adieu. I think that's what Lu expected them to do. I mean, she knew they weren't staying for the show so what the hell else was Lu supposed to do with them? Especially as she's getting ready for the show.

Again, it was all about getting the camera's there for a spell so for the women to still spin the narrative and focus on Lu's lack of attention to them is just so lame. And pretty obvious. At least to me.  

The problem as I see it, Lu Anne wanted the cameras there for her (totally understandable) but the others wanted to BE ON CAMERA, which was in fact disruptive.  Lu Anne got way more than she bargained for.

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

She wouldn't say yes or have him in her life when he was struggling with drugs.  Makes her look smart.

It makes her look like a monster. She strung this man along and accepted a ring from him saying she would marry him. She wasn’t in love with him and used him and his love for her. She’s still bragging about that how he was sooo in love with her how he couldn’t live without her how he was the one pursuing her and she wasn’t that into him. But she accepted a marriage proposal from him and kept dating him while she dated other men?  Nothing about her story with him makes any sense. 

Edited June 28, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[ivygirl]

16 hours ago, chewycandy said:

To be fair I did hear her include herself when she mentioned that. 

Oh, and what was with the comment Ramona made that she, Sonja, Dorinda, and Tinsley were a “different breed” than Barbara? What a B. 

The assumption I made was that they’re all Bergdorf Blondes and the rest are Dress Barn Brunettes. Or something.

It was a snobby thing to say.

14 hours ago, Barbara Please said:

Can we talk about the guy near the front of Lu's show who appeared to be having orgasmic fits over the show? 😂

Every time I see this photo I the comments, it looks like a screen grab from an episode of Seinfeld, when they started the show with him performing in a comedy club. If I hadn’t seen this episode, I wouldn’t be able to tell if it looked like forced laughter or heckling. 

7 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Could it be that Bethenny no longer has to push that skinny girl swill on the show?  I don't remember seeing it this season like it was showcased in past seasons.

I could’ve sworn the assistant mentioned some other brand of hooch as the alcohol for the mixed drinks?

2 hours ago, ChitChat said:

Kadooz to Ramona for another great quote!  I know that she says and does some stupid things sometimes, but I just can't quit Ramona and her noodle.  Who doesn't love a pool noodle?  Nobody?  Okay, party of one here!

There are a few of us in the Ramen-a Noodle Fan Club 😉I do not like everything she says or does, but I usually get a kick out of her. NONE of these women are perfect.

I do, however, feel like the only one who is super irritated by Chrissy Tiegen. I first saw her on some Christmas cocktail show on the old Fine Living Network. She was just starting to develop her persona but it was strong enough for me to be irritated with her & her “MY BOYFRIEND John Legend and I blah blah blah” and “When MY BOYFRIEND—John Legend—and I blah blah blah...” and obnoxious laugh... Meh. No WWHL for me!

[FozzyBear]

Regarding Luanne and Cabaret; get it girl. Seriously! There are bills to be paid. That Bravo paycheck is going to end someday so do what you got to do to set yourself up for the future. It’s the one of the few major disagreements I have with Beth. I always roll my eyes she she complained about the other ladies obviously using the show to hawk their business and what not. 1) Beth might be the worst offender. I swear entire seasons have been sponsored by Skinnygirl. 2) why shouldn’t they? In my opinion, bringing in some dollar bills is the ONLY legitimate reason to tie yourself to this shit show. Otherwise you’re acting like an overgrown sorority girl on camera for what? To fill the dark empty hole in your soul? *shudder*

Speaking of which. About the Tinsley gang up. Dor and Ro and Son want her off the show for some reason. Don’t know why, but they do. It reminds me of the LVP Puppygate thing over at BH. They keep implying they know things...they don’t know shit. They have created a story and called it truth and now they will demand that Tinsley admit to it and if she doesn’t they will call her a liar. It really reminds me of young girl bullying.

Admit you did this thing I have no evidence of!

but I didn’t 

Admit you’re a liar!

But I’m not lying.

i can’t be friends with someone who would do this bad thing and lie about it! Based on my own feelings I find you guilty and banish you from our group.

Edited June 28, 2019 by FozzyBear

[Chit Chat]

26 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I mean, she knew they weren't staying for the show so what the hell else was Lu supposed to do with them? Especially as she's getting ready for the show.

If they hadn't shown up, she would've bitched about it incessantly, just like she did when she made them all wait for an hour for her to emerge from her dressing room, and then found out that Bethenny already left.  I do believe that LuAnn truly expects them to be there for her based on her past behavior. 

As far as Tinsley and her money, according to Wikipedia (if true), she's had several business ventures - none of which are talked about on the show.  I'd be interested in hearing about some of them.  

[Chit Chat]

28 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Somebody gets it!!

But LuAnn really thinks she can sing, hence recording songs for release.  She takes herself very seriously with her performing.  We never hear her be self-deprecating by saying that she knows that she's off key, but that the audience doesn't mind, or something along those lines.  That's why people call into WWHL and ask Andy if LuAnn is serious, or is she in on the joke.  He said she's serious.  

[tranquilidade]

When Dorinda asked Tinsley if freezing Bambi would change his texture upon thawing I wish she would have said: I don't know Dorinda, how about I  bring him by so you can take a bite out of him and tell me!  

Would that have been strong enough for Dorinda?

Edited June 28, 2019 by tranquilidade

[Yours Truly]

9 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

If they hadn't shown up, she would've bitched about it incessantly, just like she did when she made them all wait for an hour for her to emerge from her dressing room, and then found out that Bethenny already left.  I do believe that LuAnn truly expects them to be there for her based on her past behavior. 

As far as Tinsley and her money, according to Wikipedia (if true), she's had several business ventures - none of which are talked about on the show.  I'd be interested in hearing about some of them.  

Yup, she sure would have cause she's annoyed that they are being so stingy with it over nothing. Everything reeks of spite with these women and to be honest I don't think there is anything wrong with Lu being annoyed with them for doing things based on simply wanting to be spiteful towards Lu.

The issues all through the season have been petty and they've been out for Lu's blood all season. Lu's reactions don't seem too far fetched cause I too have an issue with people being mean spirited and deliberately spiteful, just because they have a gripe with someone.  I mean come on. Lu wants the camera time. They want to be difficult about it. Hence, they suck cause trying to mess with someone's bag is just not cool. At least it is to me. 

[Chit Chat]

1 minute ago, Yours Truly said:

I mean come on. Lu wants the camera time. They want to be difficult about it.

I don't see how they were difficult about it.  LuAnn told them to stop by before the show since they were going to Ramona's party, so when they got there they went in to see her.  I don't think they realized she had 10 minutes until stage time, seeing as how the last time they went to see her it took her an hour for her to get out of the dressing room.  Maybe they thought she had more time.  She griped about them being in there and basically told them to leave.  You can't win for losing in that situation. 

[LibertarianSlut]

I got into this a few weeks ago when Bethenny made a comment about Tinsley not having children and it seemed like 90% of the people thought Bethenny was wrong and I didn't, and now it appears that 100% of the people think Tinsley is right and Dorinda is wrong with regard to what Tinsley should divulge about Scott, etc.......I'm always willing to hear out the other side and say that I was wrong, and I do believe in the wisdom of the crowd (to an extent).

So in that vein, I guess I am interested in the lines of privacy people think Tinsely should be allowed to draw.  My first reality show was The Real World, which was 24/7 cameras, so maybe that informs my thought process too heavily.  Like, not specific to Scott, but does anyone have a standard that you think she (or other reality stars) should have to live by?  For instance, should they be allowed to make one major facet of their life off-limits as long as they share everything else?  Is it something specific about finances people think that should be private?  I'm curious.  Not looking for an argument; just a discussion.

Also, what line of privacy do people think that people like Tinsley in general and not as a reality TV personality should have regarding friends/acquaintances/family and coworkers?  I guess I am just really against lying for some reason.  I think it makes the recipient of the lie look foolish if they find out, and they will likely find out, as there's no honor among thieves.  By that same token, I think people should be able to say, "I don't want to talk about it" all day.  The only thing is, there may be social reprecussions.  

An example of a repercussion: In my personal life--not with y'all--I am very, very cautious with what I divulge, although I don't make it obvious. It's because I'm trying to cultivate an image and I won't say anything that falls outside of that image (but I won't lie). But I also pay a price for it--very few people are close to me.  I thought that was how it worked--give and take and incremental trade-offs, and I applied that to Tinsley, but I might have erred somewhere along the way.  

I guess I tolerated and even liked Tinsley for so long because, while you could say "x,y,z" negative thing about her, you could always say she didn't have a mean bone in her body.  When she ganged up on Luann two episodes ago, I lost that one tenuous connection I had to what I thought I liked about her, and I am perhaps judging her too harshly for everything in the aftermath...

The same thing happened with me last season with Luann.  I was really hanging in there for her even though I was annoyed--I just liked her.  But when Luann said Dorinda was turning when Dorinda was drinking, I was just like, ugh, what an asshole, I hate her.  It took half a dozen episodes of this season for me to like Luann again.

I don't know how I always wind up defending Dorinda--I don't even really like her!

Also, the common denominator in those two above examples is that I didn't like when one Housewife went after another's drinking...so maybe I do think there are some privacy limits, even on reality TV.  Hmmm...

Anyway, for what it's worth, I'll admit to perhaps leveling some unfair criticism.  In other words, I think I am easier on some of the Ho'Wives than others even though I strive to be objective.

I think I just put way too much thought into a Housewives post.  Sorry.  Trying to avoid cake at work.  

Also, I have no idea how to spell Tinsley.  

[QuinnM]

36 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She strung this man along and accepted a ring from him saying she would marry him.

She said on air that she wouldn't say yes.  So not engaged but he wanted her to keep the ring and he would live up to a promise.  That things needed to be different.  They have been off and on for a long time.  So on when he says he's clean, off when she realizes he's still using.  Sad that it's not the first time I've seen the same scene play out.

[Claire Voyant]

Was it just me or did the continuity of this episode kinda suck? 

Dorinda had a flood and so her fish room is under construction.  I wonder who will fight for their right to be the first to sleep in it when it's finished. 

If I were Dorinda I'd decorate it in Early American Tarantula, lead them in blindfolded and let it be a big surprise.  Insert evil laughter.   Bwahahaha....🤣  😈

[backhometome]

Luann and those damn holy candles are insufferable. Nothing these ladies do is good enough for her. Always complaining about how they dont do enough for HER.

I laughed at Barbara saying Lu cant sing while in the audience. 

Luann saying parents dont go backstage before a performance while her mother was backstage...

I am sorry but I dont know what was worse Noels mustache or Victoria's unwashed hair look. 

This season was really tame compared to other seasons tbh. 

[Yours Truly]

9 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

But LuAnn really thinks she can sing, hence recording songs for release.  She takes herself very seriously with her performing.  We never hear her be self-deprecating by saying that she knows that she's off key, but that the audience doesn't mind, or something along those lines.  That's why people call into WWHL and ask Andy if LuAnn is serious, or is she in on the joke.  He said she's serious.  

Really? I thought I heard her say, in her final TH last night, that she plans on riding the wave for as long as she can.......

I've used that term before when talking about Lu.

Anyone who believes she thinks she's Adele doesn't really pay attention to how Lu describes her life. 

Maybe people are confusing Lu's describing herself as a star with her thinking she can sing. Being a star and having phenomoninal talent don't have to be one in the same. JLo can't act, her singing is just decent but that womans HUSTLE got her where she is today and I think that's the vibe people feel coming from Lu. She may not reach JLo levels of stardom but she's done a pretty good job wading in the semi celebrity pool and that suits her just fine.

Some people can be D list famous and still feel like a million bucks cause its still 100x's more than they ever expected to be. I don't knock Lu's ambition and drive. She knows how to take advantage of opportunities and use whatever is put before her to her advantage and while some like to scoff at that it's actually quite a skill. And I think its that skill Lu prides herself on. I think its in that skill that Lu's pride radiates from, not that she thinks she can sing, but that she knows she can't and yet the powers that be still want to have her recording songs, for whatever reason.  I think that's the self appreciation she has for her accomplishments. Not that she's trying to convince the world that she expects to be winning a grammy any time soon.