S11.E10: Shalloween

[JakeyJokes]

I love that the editors are not playing with Ramona's pathological lying or LuAnn's haughty attitude. When Ramona tried to tell Sonja and Dorinda that Lucia didn't want Sonja to come, they cut to Lucia telling Ramona that she would love if Sonja could be there! I don't understand why Ramona is so territorial of her friends. If she's worried about Dorinda and Sonja embarrassing her by getting too drunk, there is nothing wrong with telling them that as a precursor.

And then they showed the clip of LuAnn's "You don't have children" to Carole, which I remember many of us at the time thought was a really low blow (even those who were NOT fans of Carole).

Sonja cracks me up. "I can't believe she's leaving us to go talk to freaking Harry Dubin."

Tinsley being hurt after the circus reminds me of how Carole/Bethenny fell apart after the marathon. I get it! My closest friend/roommate saw how hard I worked on a play and couldn't be bothered to attend. I won a comedy contest and thought it would impress a white-collar type guy I was seeing (it didn't). But she has to learn to do these things to fulfill herself. *falls off soapbox* *wins International Hypoctite Award*

[ghoulina]

15 hours ago, LilaFowler said:

Why did Ramona purposely get Sonja uninvited to her birthday party? What a bitch.

Because Ramona doesn't think Sonja is good enough for her and her UES friends. She has fun slumming it with Sonja from time to time. But I think she truly feels she's better than Sonja and that Sonja is embarrassing. (As if Ramona is one to talk.)

13 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I kind of don't blame Ramona.  It probably gets a little embarrassing when she's shoving food into her purse at events.

But that would take the attention off of Ramona stealing people's dresses. 

13 hours ago, lizajane said:

Those mug shot coasters make me want to get arrested so I can have a set made.

Those just made me love Tinsley all the more. It's great that she can have a sense of humor about things. Lu used to kind of be like that. Now the Cabaret Countess is mortified. 

[Real Housewife LI]

5 hours ago, jaybird2 said:

i love bethenny but that was horrible

Maybe it’s kind of a New York vernacular but i have said it myself...”i have to go pick up my kid” or friends say i can’t i have my kid(s). I didn’t think anything if it. If you also notic she very rarely will use her daughter’s name Brynn. She will say my kid or my daughter, so that makes it even more understandable to me. Didn’t even raise an eyebrow.

[ghoulina]

1 minute ago, Real Housewife LI said:

Maybe it’s kind of a New York vernacular but i have said it myself...”i have to go pick up my kid” or friends say i can’t i have my kid(s). I didn’t think anything if it. If you also notic she very rarely will use her daughter’s name Brynn. She will say my kid or my daughter, so that makes it even more understandable to me. Didn’t even raise an eyebrow.

Me either. Whether it's 100% because of Jason or not, she gives the child some privacy. She generally calls her "my peanut" on IG. 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

Yeah, same. I'm not in NYC but in Boston, but it's not uncommon for people to use that kind of phrasing here, as well. 

[SailorGirl]

31 minutes ago, JakeyJokes said:

Sonja cracks me up. "I can't believe she's leaving us to go talk to freaking Harry Dubin."

Who, let's be honest, Sonja is probably still boning on the regular . . . . 

[TV Diva Queen]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Ramona is nuts, her comment about how 40 year olds, both men and women come up to her all the time...let's think about this realistically.  I am sure she interacts with them, once they chat with her for a moment I am sure they go back to what ever they were doing, forging a long and meaningful relationship is not what they are doing.  

Ramona embarrassed herself at that lunch calling that woman by the wrong name, repeatedly. She told everyone how the party will be set up, etc...was she part of the planning committee or was she just taking on the role of the entire planning committee?  I got the feeling that the others were wondering why they were left out of the process.

Love Sonja's "I also do children," OMG! 

Ramona does not show up to Lu's Halloween show because there might be a man in NYC that she hasn't rubbed up on at Omar's that night.  

Bethenny is the first one at out of the group at the show, she often is the first to arrive for things even when she is trying to be late...more screen time for her!

Or she’s just a grown up who’s always on time. I live and breathe by the expression “if you’re on time, you’re late”. 

[ghoulina]

2 minutes ago, TV Diva Queen said:

Or she’s just a grown up who’s always on time. I live and breathe by the expression “if you’re on time, you’re late”. 

SAME! When she was the first one at the Halloween party, I totally related. I'm always awkwardly early to everything. 

[esco1822]

4 minutes ago, SailorGirl said:

Who, let's be honest, Sonja is probably still boning on the regular . . . . 

I still have a hard time with the fact that any let alone several of these women want(ed) to bone Aviva Drescher's sloppy seconds. 

[PradaKitty]

Ramona seldom gets people’s names right. She can’t be bothered and assumes it doesn’t matter to them.  Ugh!

i thought Hannah looked lovely and much more polished than in previous appearances. 

If Luann really believes she has talent then she is more delusional than a Ramona/Sonja cocktail!

[sasha206]

2 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

Hannah's hair and makeup were much improved, and I can see a beautiful young woman there. I love her look - it's high fashion and uncommon. She's the polar opposite of a conventional beauty like Tinsley, and I can appreciate both.

I can't be the only one that doesn't think Tinsley is a beauty? She's got a long face, bad botoxed eyebrows, nose whittled down to nothing due to plastic surgery.  She always has a ton of makeup on.  I think she is just a thin blonde who is reasonably attractive.  I don't see beauty in this face.  I did, however, love that she embraced the mugshot and has them on coasters.  

Edited May 9, 2019 by sasha206

[PradaKitty]

I really want a set of the Tinsley/LuAnn mugshot coasters! 

[kicksave]

17 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Oh look the lady who kissed Sonja at her Paper Magazine party...my bad...it's just Victoria

And Victoria looked awful...she always looks like she just rolled out of a crackhouse or a had a binder the night before. Her hair never looks combed or shampooed for that matter. I know she's an "artist" but still...

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, SoTheresThat said:

Maybe Brynn's nanny had the night off to go to a Halloween party herself and Bethenney had to hire a babysitter.  

Maybe she lied about it so she'd have an excuse to leave.

Either way, she was there at around 8pm for a show that was supposed to start at 11pm but didn't start until 11:39pm.

I'd have left then too if I wanted to leave then, whether I had to lie about the reason or not.  Sorry Lu.

Barbara looked really good as Slash.

Dorinda looked like Marilyn Manson if you ask me.

I may have missed it cause I was zoning in and out of the episode but why was Beth there at 8pm if the show was at 11? I mean the point of going was to catch the show so why would you be aiming to leave at 11:30 for a show that is "scheduled" to start at 11. I've been to MAAANNNNYYY New York shows like that where the performers started waaaaaay later than expected. I mean hey Beth can absolutely do her and it's all good but the emphasis that she waited/been there for 3 hours is kinda lost on me cause the show was supposed to start at 11. If I'm going to catch a performance in that sort of environment I'm blocking off at least 2 hours and those 2 hours would be closer to the actual start time of the show, Otherwise there really isn't much weight to Beth's argument. You either get child care/babysitter or don't. Playing it minute by minute for something like a New York late night show and then not even taking into consideration the actual start time seems pretty ridiculous to me. 

Beth's a NY girl this isn't new to her. She could have easily made the correct arrangements to cover a timeframe between 10pm-1am. Again, I don't care that she wanted to leave, or that she was obviously prepped to scram the minute Luann finished her performance but it was just corny to add the extra to make it seem like she was being SOOOO put out by Lu. Hello, it's a grown up night out with adults at a NY venue in the late evening. You didn't think you needed a babysitter til around 1am? 

And again, unless I missed it. Why was she there sooooooo early?

Edited to add:

Annndddd, apparently she was only prepared to stay 2 hours which would have meant her exit would have been around 10pm, One hour before Lu was set to perform so what's the deal with that? I'm confused

Edited May 9, 2019 by Yours Truly

[kicksave]

33 minutes ago, esco1822 said:

I still have a hard time with the fact that any let alone several of these women want(ed) to bone Aviva Drescher's sloppy seconds. 

Hard to believe that all of New York this guy is considered a catch...the unattractive and thirsty guys that these women date is sad.

[sasha206]

4 minutes ago, kicksave said:

And Victoria looked awful...she always looks like she just rolled out of a crackhouse or a had a binder the night before. Her hair never looks combed or shampooed for that matter. I know she's an "artist" but still...

She always does look dirty.  And to her misfortune, she seems to resemble her dad.

Lu's body looked great in that costume, but the face was so heavily made up she looked absolutely ridiculous.  She's getting a little too long in the tooth to pull that makeup off. 

[TV Diva Queen]

37 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

SAME! When she was the first one at the Halloween party, I totally related. I'm always awkwardly early to everything. 

“Awkwardly early” is my new expression. Thank you!  When meeting friends, I arrive extra early, so I can have a drink by myself in solitude. Lol. (That’s sounds a little Luann-ish, I promise it’s not. I go out maybe 6 times a year and don’t drink at home). Lol. 

[Real Housewife LI]

14 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I may have missed it cause I was zoning in and out of the episode but why was Beth there at 8pm if the show was at 11? I mean the point of going was to catch the show so why would you be aiming to leave at 11:30 for a show that is "scheduled" to start at 11. I've been to MAAANNNNYYY New York shows like that where the performers started waaaaaay later than expected. I mean hey Beth can absolutely do her and it's all good but the emphasis that she waited/been there for 3 hours is kinda lost on me cause the show was supposed to start at 11. If I'm going to catch a performance in that sort of environment I'm blocking off at least 2 hours and those 2 hours would be closer to the actual start time of the show, Otherwise there really isn't much weight to Beth's argument. You either get child care/babysitter or don't. Playing it minute by minute for something like a New York late night show and then not even taking into consideration the actual start time seems pretty ridiculous to me. 

Beth's a NY girl this isn't new to her. She could have easily made the correct arrangements to cover a timeframe between 10pm-1am. Again, I don't care that she wanted to leave, or that she was obviously prepped to scram the minute Luann finished her performance but it was just corny to add the extra to make it seem like she was being SOOOO put out by Lu. Hello, it's a grown up night out with adults at a NY venue in the late evening. You didn't think you needed a babysitter til around 1am? 

And again, unless I missed it. Why was she there sooooooo early?

Edited to add:

Annndddd, apparently she was only prepared to stay 2 hours which would have meant her exit would have been around 10pm, One hour before Lu was set to perform so what's the deal with that? I'm confused

She said she got there at 9:15 and planned to leave at 11:15 as soon as the performance was-done.

[Slider]

8 hours ago, Chickabiddy said:

But Dorinda seems to be a woman who needs a man, so she keeps John around until something better comes around.

That's an interesting take, because I've always thought the opposite.  It seems to me that she has him around more as an escort to functions and events where she needs a plus one, but that she doesn't really need or want him.  Kind of like the apartment conversation, when he kept joking about him moving in and she kept hitting back with a no.  I think she likes her life just how it is, but wants to have someone by her side at certain social settings.  But who knows, I could be completely wrong.

[SoTheresThat]

32 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I may have missed it cause I was zoning in and out of the episode but why was Beth there at 8pm if the show was at 11? I mean the point of going was to catch the show so why would you be aiming to leave at 11:30 for a show that is "scheduled" to start at 11. I've been to MAAANNNNYYY New York shows like that where the performers started waaaaaay later than expected. I mean hey Beth can absolutely do her and it's all good but the emphasis that she waited/been there for 3 hours is kinda lost on me cause the show was supposed to start at 11. If I'm going to catch a performance in that sort of environment I'm blocking off at least 2 hours and those 2 hours would be closer to the actual start time of the show, Otherwise there really isn't much weight to Beth's argument. You either get child care/babysitter or don't. Playing it minute by minute for something like a New York late night show and then not even taking into consideration the actual start time seems pretty ridiculous to me. 

Beth's a NY girl this isn't new to her. She could have easily made the correct arrangements to cover a timeframe between 10pm-1am. Again, I don't care that she wanted to leave, or that she was obviously prepped to scram the minute Luann finished her performance but it was just corny to add the extra to make it seem like she was being SOOOO put out by Lu. Hello, it's a grown up night out with adults at a NY venue in the late evening. You didn't think you needed a babysitter til around 1am? 

And again, unless I missed it. Why was she there sooooooo early?

Edited to add:

Annndddd, apparently she was only prepared to stay 2 hours which would have meant her exit would have been around 10pm, One hour before Lu was set to perform so what's the deal with that? I'm confused

I have no way of knowing why she was there that early. 

There were other people there when she arrived, so obviously there was something going on before the show. 

Luann was originally scheduled to go on at 1:30, so maybe when B made her plans she knew she didn't want to/couldn't be there that late so only got the babysitter through 11ish.  Beth tells someone at the party that there was no way she could stay for the 1:30 show, so she sounds like she wasn't planning to attend the show anyway.  At some point Luann sent a group text to tell them she was going on at 11, but maybe it was too late for B to change things by then.  When she left at 11:30, she couldn't have know Luann would only be 10 more minutes.

ETA: there's a time stamp of her arriving at 8:43

Edited May 9, 2019 by SoTheresThat

[Ms Blue Jay]

49 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

I can't be the only one that doesn't think Tinsley is a beauty? She's got a long face, bad botoxed eyebrows, nose whittled down to nothing due to plastic surgery.  She always has a ton of makeup on.  I think she is just a thin blonde who is reasonably attractive.  I don't see beauty in this face.  I did, however, love that she embraced the mugshot and has them on coasters.  

I can't stand that "nose whittled down to nothing due to PS" surgery look either.  It drives me up the wall because it looks too inhuman.  I'm sure she was really cute once upon a time but it's just too much work.  She looks way too high maintenance.

[kicksave]

Some random thoughts....

Ramona: Lies, lies, lies...she has been caught on camera lying about stuff all season. This will come back to haunt her at the reunion show. She's always thought very highly of herself and bragged incessantly about her great female friends and now about all the men she dates...even though the ones we've seen on camera are cringeworthy. She will treat Sonja like yesterday's news until there is a girls trip and she needs to cling to Sonja since no one else can stand her for more than ten minutes.

Bethenny: She couldn't stay to watch LuAnn even for 10 more minutes? Really? It was a  passive aggressive move on her part...I'm no fan of LuAnn but why go if you didn't want to be there to see even 10 minutes of the show? The time and money that she put into that costume and the make up/hair team seems like money wasted if you didn't let LuAnn see you in all your Victoria's Secret glory. 

Dorinda: Again...when she drinks, she becomes a obnoxious, belligerent drunk. That performance by her when Ramona was speaking to the crowd was beyond the pale. Wow...she looked unhinged...Sonja wasn't much better as she chimed in and threw some personal daggers at Ramona in the middle of the speech. Poor Bridie...did she even have a clue at all about what she was getting herself into? It's bad enough she was traumatized by some douchebag guy now this?

Tinsley: GROW the EFF UP already! Quit trying to relive the life you lead when you were in your 20's and 30's...move on and find something constructive to do with your Columbia University degree. 

Sonja: She's been looking a little crazy or crazier then usual this season...the wild eyes and exaggerated and over the top behavior a little more desperate then other seasons. As these women age before our eyes, it's reminding me of Gloria Swanson in Sunset Boulevard...LOL!

Barbara: Uh...OK...would have been a cool costume back in the 90's but since no one in that crowd even knew who Slash is, it was a bust. Nice try though.

[kicksave]

24 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

She always does look dirty.  And to her misfortune, she seems to resemble her dad.

Lu's body looked great in that costume, but the face was so heavily made up she looked absolutely ridiculous.  She's getting a little too long in the tooth to pull that makeup off. 

Yeah...it she looked a little like a RuPaul's Drag Race contestant.

[Haute Messe]

29 minutes ago, kicksave said:

And Victoria looked awful...she always looks like she just rolled out of a crackhouse or a had a binder the night before. Her hair never looks combed or shampooed for that matter. I know she's an "artist" but still...

She looks like she smells of patchouli oil and weed, and her features resemble her dad more than her mom.

[eleanorofaquitaine]

4 minutes ago, kicksave said:

Bethenny: She couldn't stay to watch LuAnn even for 10 more minutes? Really? It was a  passive aggressive move on her part...I'm no fan of LuAnn but why go if you didn't want to be there to see even 10 minutes of the show? The time and money that she put into that costume and the make up/hair team seems like money wasted if you didn't let LuAnn see you in all your Victoria's Secret glory. 

I think that the problem was that Bethenny had no idea of when Lu was actually going to perform.  Lu said 11 am but it was already 11:30 by the time Bethenny left. I think it was just coincidental that Beth left right before Lu actually made her way onto the stage. I'm sure that if she knew that Lu was only going to be another 10 minutes, she would have stayed but since Lu didn't do anything to communicate how much longer she would be, I can understand why Beth took off. 

Edited May 9, 2019 by eleanorofaquitaine

[Kdawg82]

I feel sorry for Tinsley.  Her mom is 1000% right when it comes to Scott. She deserves a good man. I dislike when Sonja & co say that Tinsley is a "user" & looking for a sugar daddy in essence. They're *all* looking for a man worthy of their status.  I doubt a car mechanic is going to do the trick here. Bethenny won't be with anyone less than a millionaire either. Look how fast she outgrew Jason. No wonder he is bitter. The minute she "made it," the marriage was polluted and ended. The only one who doesn't look is Dorinda.  I loved her commentary today about marriage after a certain age as I share that perspective. She realizes another Richard won't happen for her. John is a companion and nothing more.

[Yours Truly]

36 minutes ago, Real Housewife LI said:

She said she got there at 9:15 and planned to leave at 11:15 as soon as the performance was-done.

Still a pretty small window. I mean I get it, she doesn't want to be there but good grief. Avoid the dramatics, put your big girl panties on and make proper arrangements to be present for an event. This manufactured, oh I have to go, being a single mom is so pressing, I HAVE TO be gone as soon as possible is just corny.  It really just created some stupid chatter that now will be carried back to Beth in order to "build" tension between Lu and Beth. Like it's so ridiculously forced it's mind numbing. If it HAD to happen I would have rathered this ridiculousness happen during a season without something as struggling with addiction being a backdrop. 

It's like with LVP in BH. I get that every season LVP is the main target but this season it seems to have stuck during a time where she is grieving which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Finally got her!! (As some people believe, I do not) But it's even more ratchet knowing it's happening during such a tragic time in LVP's life. Same way I didn't like all the antics surrounding Kim Richards. 

Lu's been a target for many seasons but it seems this season is gonna really be the kicker cause Lu is extra unlikable but the sad part to me is that some of the women are expecting to "finally" knock her down a peg and it's gonna be during a time where something this serious is the focal storyline for her this season. Why would anyone rejoice in that sort of take down? (Or any take down for that matter?) I never understood the need to really go for the jugular on these shows. Everyone has their not so great traits. I got nothing against giving people what for when they deserve it. Sign me up. But the ongoing bashing and drawn out antagonism with the goal being long term negative affects really turns me off. 

Trying to ruin someone isn't really on my bucket list. 

Edited May 9, 2019 by Yours Truly

[Yours Truly]

30 minutes ago, SoTheresThat said:

I have no way of knowing why she was there that early. 

There were other people there when she arrived, so obviously there was something going on before the show. 

Luann was originally scheduled to go on at 1:30, so maybe when B made her plans she knew she didn't want to/couldn't be there that late so only got the babysitter through 11ish.  Beth tells someone at the party that there was no way she could stay for the 1:30 show, so she sounds like she wasn't planning to attend the show anyway.  At some point Luann sent a group text to tell them she was going on at 11, but maybe it was too late for B to change things by then.  When she left at 11:30, she couldn't have know Luann would only be 10 more minutes.

ETA: there's a time stamp of her arriving at 8:43

I guess I'm just wondering what was the filming angle? Of course stuffs going on before 11pm. It's a NY nightlife venue I'm assuming. (Again I was zoning in and out). I was just wondering if there was anything BESIDES Lu's performance that Beth needed to be in attendance for? If she had no intentions of even catching the show (when she thought it was at 1:30) then what was she doing there at all? Wasn't the whole point of being there was for Lu or was there more to the filming schedule? Cause otherwise it made absolutely no sense for Beth or any of them to show up at 8:43pm.

I just seems so manufactured.

I know Lu has been showing her ass but she was just being real. I'd be rolling my eyes too. Unfortunately Lu threw in those unnecessary comments about watching Brynn sleep and  that's never going to come off well but when all is said and done it was a ridiculous "situation" that with proper planning (or a simple can't make it) could have been avoided.  But not our Beth. create a ridiculously awkward window for yourself and then be hard pressed about not being able to stay, mentioning the amount of time you've already been there as you flee to your about to be a pumpkin carriage. Whatev. 

[Thumper]

NYC nightlife is not for me.  11 p.m. show or 1:30 a.m. show -- no thank you, too late!!!  Unless I can watch it on TV while wearing my loose clothes or pj's.   😀

[KungFuBunny]

4 hours ago, Mr. Minor said:

I wouldn't have used the kid excuse. I would've said it was getting late and I was tired of waiting on your diva ass, for your lame AF performance.

If we are going to believe B which I do - Luann's group text suggested that since some of them might not want to be out so late she was going to perform at 11:00 as opposed to her original time of 1:00 AM. I think that part of the text was most geared towards B because of Brynn. B said she was going to go to show her support and I think she was there from 9:00 to 11:30. Originally she was going to stay until 11:15 but gave Luann another 15 minutes. How many times have these women had to watch her lip sync the same song?

Did it ever say on screen what time Luann actually clomped onto the stage?

[heatherchandler]

9 hours ago, Chickabiddy said:

As for John, from her debut on the show, Dorinda’s body language around him has always indicated to me that she finds John vaguely repellant. Dorinda had never come off as being in love with John. Rather, she only seems to endure his presence as one endures something unpleasant. But Dorinda seems to be a woman who needs a man, so she keeps John around until something better comes around.

Maybe she keeps him around because he provides the sniff-sniff!!

6 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Seriously!  This guy comes off as really drunk and incredibly stupid.  His parents must really be wealthy b/c there is no way anyone would be interested in this idiot if it weren't for that.

Who ARE his parents?  I am pretty sure I remember hearing that they are loaded, but is there any info on them?  

5 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I found the conversation between Dorinda and Hannah about that apartment really disconcerting, as if there is something that Hannah was trying to say about Dorinda's behavior after Richard died that she didn't want to come out and say directly.  It's clear that Richard's death was really hard on Dorinda, and I know how difficult grieving can be. But it felt to me that Hannah was trying to say that Dorinda fell into a deep depression (which, again, would be totally understandable) or something even worse. I am not sure if she began drinking heavily or what but I found that conversation unnerving. 

I felt like she was trying to say something without saying it.  She seemed scattered, she's always scattered, I guess just more scattered than usual.

[RedheadZombie]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Me either. Whether it's 100% because of Jason or not, she gives the child some privacy. She generally calls her "my peanut" on IG. 

Sonja also never names her daughter - I had to google it - she calls her "the kid".

[KungFuBunny]

6 hours ago, esco1822 said:

I'm a little mad at myself for assuming that, based on her face/chin, Barbara had a terrible body. Her body is actually pretty great! Hilarious that nobody knew who she was. She looked THAT different. Totally killed it as Slash. I'm not a big fan of hers but I can say she looked great. Can't wait for next week when I dry heave as she talks about being sexually fluid. Nothing against people who are sexually fluid, just something against Barbara and all the bronzer that must rub off her when she touches anything and anyone. 

Her body isn't that great. She's wearing an illusion top - sheer dark nude underneath her chest. If you ever get a chance and see this on a rewind...her neck chest is exposed - red, blotchy and crepey. Skin is a totally different color below the chest.

I think she probably did a bandage wrap before the event.

I still think she looks like Barb The Out Of Shape Body Builder

Edited May 9, 2019 by KungFuBunny

[Yours Truly]

12 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

If we are going to believe B which I do - Luann's group text suggested that since some of them might not want to be out so late she was going to perform at 11:00 as opposed to her original time of 1:00 AM. I think that part of the text was most geared towards B because of Brynn. B said she was going to go to show her support and I think she was there from 9:00 to 11:30. Originally she was going to stay until 11:15 but gave Luann another 15 minutes. How many times have these women had to watch her lip sync the same song?

Did it ever say on screen what time Luann actually clomped onto the stage?

Either way, it still doesn't make sense that B got there so early. It's like it was meant to "not work out".  That's the part that confuses me. 

Let's say Lu did attempt to make it earlier for B's sake and said 11pm. Why the hell did B show up at 8:45? If B was just there mainly for Lu but didn't really want to be there then I would understand her rolling in at like 10:30-10:45 then high tailing it out as soon as Lu was done or even 11:30 before Lu went on cause then it would still be true to the idea that Beth really wasn't trying to be out for too long or too late while she's got Brynn at home. Sitting around a venue for 3 hours when it seems to be obvious that you're itching to get home doesn't follow any logic whatsoever. Makes absolutely no sense.

I don't care that B wasn't interested in watching Lu perform. Completely understand that. It's just completely ridiculous that she just hung out at the venue way longer than she wanted to and got there way earlier than necessary for something she wasn't even interested in really being present for. She was responsible for most of her own inconvenience and it's just weird to me.  Why would you do that to yourself?

I mean outside of manufactured drama being a staple on these shows. LOL.

[biakbiak]

27 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Maybe she keeps him around because he provides the sniff-sniff!!

It’s really not that difficult to get Coke to put in seven years (she’s been with him about as long as she was with Richard).

[Carolina Girl]

18 hours ago, Duke2801 said:

her kids when she went off galavanting in their younger years. 

I remember in the first season when a very young and seemingly upset Noel asked her why she couldn't stay home with them and have dinner on Taco Night. 

[esco1822]

5 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Why the hell did B show up at 8:45?

My assumption was that B showed up for the party itself and not just Lu's performance. That would also explain why Sonja was worried about being late. I assumed they all planned to meet to attend the party that Lu was performing at. B said she got there 15 minutes late so presumably they either agreed to meet at 8:30 or the party started at 8:30. B was told the performance was at 11 and planned to leave at 11:15 because how long does it take to "perform" 3 songs? There was also an assumption they would see Lu prior to the performance, either be invited to her dressing room or her come out before she was dressed. Of all the stuff B does on this show, leaving this lame-ass party at 11:30 is pretty benign so i'm giving her a full pass for it.

[eleanorofaquitaine]

8 minutes ago, esco1822 said:

My assumption was that B showed up for the party itself and not just Lu's performance. That would also explain why Sonja was worried about being late. I assumed they all planned to meet to attend the party that Lu was performing at. B said she got there 15 minutes late so presumably they either agreed to meet at 8:30 or the party started at 8:30. B was told the performance was at 11 and planned to leave at 11:15 because how long does it take to "perform" 3 songs? There was also an assumption they would see Lu prior to the performance, either be invited to her dressing room or her come out before she was dressed. Of all the stuff B does on this show, leaving this lame-ass party at 11:30 is pretty benign so i'm giving her a full pass for it.

Yeah, I agree.  Beth didn't seem to be complaining about the fact that Lu wasn't at the party at 9 pm (except that she did think that Lu would at least come down and say hi). She understood that the party would happen before the actual performance. I think she was more annoyed that the performance was late and she wasn't given any info on how much longer they'd have to wait.  I can understand her frustration.

And if Beth wants to be home for her child, I'm not going to be critical for it.  At the end of the day, I do think being home for your daughter is more important than being anywhere for Lu. The fact is that Beth was there for at least some of the time, which is more than can be said for Ramona. 

[Baltimore Betty]

1 hour ago, kicksave said:

Hard to believe that all of New York this guy is considered a catch...the unattractive and thirsty guys that these women date is sad.

I know! Ramona wants to be the first in line for the next thirsty guy that is available, she runs off to what ever bar that is next in her rotation.  The fact that she ditches the women the second she can to await the next hot 40 something to accidently bump in to her in a crowded bar, (in her head he wanted to bang her).

[Haute Messe]

56 minutes ago, Thumper said:

NYC nightlife is not for me.  11 p.m. show or 1:30 a.m. show -- no thank you, too late!!!  Unless I can watch it on TV while wearing my loose clothes or pj's.   😀

Or better yet, record it and watch it the next day!

[KungFuBunny]

31 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Either way, it still doesn't make sense that B got there so early. It's like it was meant to "not work out".  That's the part that confuses me. 

Let's say Lu did attempt to make it earlier for B's sake and said 11pm. Why the hell did B show up at 8:45? If B was just there mainly for Lu but didn't really want to be there then I would understand her rolling in at like 10:30-10:45 then high tailing it out as soon as Lu was done or even 11:30 before Lu went on cause then it would still be true to the idea that Beth really wasn't trying to be out for too long or too late while she's got Brynn at home. Sitting around a venue for 3 hours when it seems to be obvious that you're itching to get home doesn't follow any logic whatsoever. Makes absolutely no sense.

I don't care that B wasn't interested in watching Lu perform. Completely understand that. It's just completely ridiculous that she just hung out at the venue way longer than she wanted to and got there way earlier than necessary for something she wasn't even interested in really being present for. She was responsible for most of her own inconvenience and it's just weird to me.  Why would you do that to yourself?

I mean outside of manufactured drama being a staple on these shows. LOL.

Luann was at Hospital 849 on Halloween. This was a Wednesday night. Bethenny had Brynn. Thursday was a school day, B went to the event to show support for Luann. There were already other people there when B arrived. She would have seen the performance if Luann was on time. I don't think she was there necessarily for the performance but to show support to the event which she did.

Makes sense to me,

[smores]

6 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Yeah.  I've never really had an opinion about Hannah.  I know that Dorinda adores her, of course, she's her daughter, but, she sure didn't make for an enjoyable visit.  Why so down?  Couldn't she be a little more supportive?  Her mom is moving on, but, she has to be so negative about the place her mother lived with her after her husband died.  Maybe, it was the best she could do.  

I'm not a Hannah fan and couldn't stand her on earlier appearances.  I thought it was great that she had pretty much disappeared from the show, but, I did feel bad for her in this episode.  I totally get that Dorinda looks at this apartment and sees it as this place with positive memories and what not, but, that's not Hannah's experience.  She grew up living there (at least the second time), watching her mother grieve for her stepfather, from the bottom of a bottle, per Dorinda's own commentary.  Hannah felt stuck.  It's a valid thing and I can see how that would happen as a kid, because you don't have any ability to change your circumstances.  Then she grew up, went to college, moved forward in her life, and now that she has control over some things, she can see the difference from the past.  

I didn't see her blaming Dorinda for anything, but just saying that she is pleased they have both moved on.  At the same time, though, Dorinda has this weird fantasy of Hannah getting married and then moving back into the house and raising a kid there.  If I were Hannah and associated some pretty difficult times of my life with a place, that's the LAST place I'd want to move into, and I damn sure wouldn't want my parents to hold onto something just for that.  My own parents have joked about buying a bunch of land and then subdividing it so they can build a dream house and then all of the kids can build and we could all have a family compound.  The place they've chosen to retire is one of the very last places I'd pick to live and I know at least one of my siblings feels the same way.  I've told them this, if they want to live there, buy up the town, I don't care! But, I'm not going to be a neighbor.  I think that's what Hannah is trying to say to Dorinda, this place doesn't have the feelings for me that it does for you, so don't hold it for me.

3 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Ramona is nuts, her comment about how 40 year olds, both men and women come up to her all the time...let's think about this realistically. 

I kind of feel like these are the same "Some people" who keep talking to people who work in our government.  Ramona has a bunch of 40 year olds.  Our government officials have "Many people" telling them things.  

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Me either. Whether it's 100% because of Jason or not, she gives the child some privacy. She generally calls her "my peanut" on IG. 

I think this is a pretty common thing.  Sonja refers to her daughter as "the kid" as well.  Plenty of people that I know don't use their kid's names on social media, they'll just say "older daughter, youngest kid, etc"  

2 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:

Or she’s just a grown up who’s always on time. I live and breathe by the expression “if you’re on time, you’re late”. 

Bethenny is pretty punctual.  I think she is almost always one of the first people there, which fits with her personality.  I also think this is something that ends up getting her crap for leaving early, when in reality, she's stayed the same amount of time as others did, but they didn't show up until later.  

It also appears that Lu was supposed to be hosting the party, not just performing, so it's not unreasonable that Lu would have shown up prior to being onstage and visited with her guests.  Instead she stayed hidden until she performed and then couldn't get why some people were gone.  That's not hosting.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/luann-de-lesseps-is-planning-a-hospital-themed-halloween-party-sneak-peek/

2 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I can't be the only one that doesn't think Tinsley is a beauty? She's got a long face, bad botoxed eyebrows, nose whittled down to nothing due to plastic surgery.  She always has a ton of makeup on.  I think she is just a thin blonde who is reasonably attractive.  I don't see beauty in this face.  I did, however, love that she embraced the mugshot and has them on coasters.  

I think Tins is pretty, but she's also very heavy on the ideal look, if that makes sense.  She's thin, she's blond, she's very carefully made up, she wears the right clothing.  Everything is very carefully arranged so that you see a total picture vs ever just saying, wow, she has amazing skin! Or, look at her eyes!

1 hour ago, sasha206 said:

She always does look dirty.  And to her misfortune, she seems to resemble her dad.

Lu's body looked great in that costume, but the face was so heavily made up she looked absolutely ridiculous.  She's getting a little too long in the tooth to pull that makeup off. 

Lu was wearing some serious drag makeup.  She totally could have been on RuPaul's runway that night.

[Feline Goddess]

I loved Tinsley's floral bathrobe.  Someone upthread mentioned the body glitter on her chest. Maybe that scene was the day after the Big Apple Circus and that's why she still had sparkly skin. 

Dorinda's new place doesn't seem to be much of an improvement over her old apartment.  I'm sure she's had the (not) moving-in discussion with John off-camera and he was just trying to get her to change her mind because they were filming. So they've never spent the whole night together? That's not even a booty-call relationship.  Dorinda seems to have been over him for a long time, so I don't understand why she bothers anymore. I don't feel sorry for him though as he seems willing to accept that he's no replacement for Saint Richard and is grateful for any crumb of attention he gets.  

Ramona had to have realized that production would use that clip of her declining to invite Sonja to the birthday party. How tacky to ask her 'friends' to throw her party because they weren't invited to the main event. I'd have the same reaction they did ... fuck off.

It took Luann three hours to prepare for a 5 minute show? Alrighty then.   

I liked Bethenny's angel costume and the self-deprivation about being compared to the Kardashians who were all wearing similar outfits. If she told the sitter she'd only be a couple of hours, they probably weren't a live-in - who'd simply go to bed themselves.  And she did wait almost an hour past the time Luann said the show was starting.  Yes, she only missed it by a few minutes, but she didn't know how much longer it was going to be delayed and she had the right to feel she'd given it more than enough time.  Why can't any of these women be respectful of other people's time? 

[Dutchgirl]

20 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Luann is so flat. She is awful. God, she needs to take singing lessons.

It won't help. She's tone deaf.

[njbchlover]

3 hours ago, SailorGirl said:

Who, let's be honest, Sonja is probably still boning on the regular . . . . 

Sonja was just jealous that she didn't spot Harry first!  😉

[Gem 10]

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

I may have missed it cause I was zoning in and out of the episode but why was Beth there at 8pm if the show was at 11? I mean the point of going was to catch the show so why would you be aiming to leave at 11:30 for a show that is "scheduled" to start at 11. I've been to MAAANNNNYYY New York shows like that where the performers started waaaaaay later than expected. I mean hey Beth can absolutely do her and it's all good but the emphasis that she waited/been there for 3 hours is kinda lost on me cause the show was supposed to start at 11. If I'm going to catch a performance in that sort of environment I'm blocking off at least 2 hours and those 2 hours would be closer to the actual start time of the show, Otherwise there really isn't much weight to Beth's argument. You either get child care/babysitter or don't. Playing it minute by minute for something like a New York late night show and then not even taking into consideration the actual start time seems pretty ridiculous to me. 

Beth's a NY girl this isn't new to her. She could have easily made the correct arrangements to cover a timeframe between 10pm-1am. Again, I don't care that she wanted to leave, or that she was obviously prepped to scram the minute Luann finished her performance but it was just corny to add the extra to make it seem like she was being SOOOO put out by Lu. Hello, it's a grown up night out with adults at a NY venue in the late evening. You didn't think you needed a babysitter til around 1am? 

And again, unless I missed it. Why was she there sooooooo early?

Edited to add:

Annndddd, apparently she was only prepared to stay 2 hours which would have meant her exit would have been around 10pm, One hour before Lu was set to perform so what's the deal with that? I'm confused

Sometimes, you just want to get the hell out, have a drink with people, enjoy the music and relax.  I do anyhow.

[KungFuBunny]

15 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Maybe she keeps him around because he provides the sniff-sniff!!

I've always believed this. I think he provided the sniff sniff when Richard passed and it gave her the energy to go out. It made her social/yappy and she could drink more alcohol. He hooked her on it. He's her boyfriend drug provider

I don't feel sorry for John at all. I think he's a creep that took advantage of a woman who is clearly still mourning for her husband to this day

Edited May 10, 2019 by KungFuBunny

[whydoievencare]

6 hours ago, Kdawg82 said:

And what was that talk from her to Do about "when we were little..."?

I wonder if Hanna didn't feel that her mother was in charge when they  moved back to that apartment after Richard died...so they were "little" together?  A hard time for Dorinda, a hard time for her daughter.

[sasha206]

2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I can't stand that "nose whittled down to nothing due to PS" surgery look either.  It drives me up the wall because it looks too inhuman.  I'm sure she was really cute once upon a time but it's just too much work.  She looks way too high maintenance.

I do too.  It looks so unnatural. I am always surprise to read the comments on this board as if Tins is some gorgeous specimen in the prime of her youth with impeccable taste.  I don't like a majority of the clothes she wears.  I always think she dresses like Forever 21.  People.talk about how Barb looks RHONY.  I think Tinsley looks more RHOC with the yellow hair, pounds of makeup she wears and false eyelashes, and clothing that looks more appropriate for a 21 year old.   She seems likeable enough on screen but I think she probably is much more exhausting in person. I am already so sick of her and Scott.  How serious could you possibly think the relationship is if neither one of you will move?

[biakbiak]

14 minutes ago, whydoievencare said:

so they were "little" together?

The weird thing about that is that Hannah was 17 when he died so neither were “little” together. I mean it’s still young to lose a stepparent but the discussion was odd.