S11.E02: Things Are Going Southampton

[Keywestclubkid]

14 minutes ago, Double A said:

Dorinda needing to stage a good time for her IG.

Cut to anyone on IG ever ... isn’t that what IG/ any online presence is all about? Faking a good time? 

Edited March 15, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[biakbiak]

5 minutes ago, smores said:

housebound.  But, Barbara said she went and got POA

Given this happened over the course of a day or two I imagine she just meant she got a POA drawn up (there are even standard forms on line) and got Lu to sign it.

[Rap541]

3 hours ago, snarts said:

We really don't know exactly why the Count & kids filed the lawsuit. We certainly haven't heard any of them talk about it.  Reading it, the assumption is that the motive was financial, based on the divorce decree, etc.  But now learning that Luann was so off the rails that she was on the verge of making terrible financial decisions, it could be that they used what legal means they had at their disposal to try to stop her and force her to get help.  Especially considering that they were so quick to reconcile. 

I'm objecting to the fact that Luann is stating on camera that her children sued her not because she was off the rails but because *they wanted a house in the Hamptons*. This paints her children as selfish greedy monsters who drove their mama into rehab - she actually said this pushed her into using addictive substances. She blamed her children for her lapse in sobriety. That's what I have a problem with - the idea that Luann is stating on national television that her children sued her for purely selfish reasons and are the deciding factor, the blame, the reason, for her fall off the wagon.

It's not Noel and Victoria's fault that Luann is an addict and it offends me greatly that she is blaming them for her addiction, and worse, doing it publically while not outlining the actual problem, namely that she was stealing money that was always intended to be given to them. She was the adult in this equation when the divorce happened, it was her mistake/choice to not set up the trust that she was supposed to. Her children had every right to pursue this without being painted as selfish little assholes who just wanted mom to keep the Hamptons house because they like the beach.

That Luann may very well have been totally off the rails when they filed the lawsuit is inconsequential - it doesn't change the fact that her "pity me" reason on this tv show is that she relapsed because her kids stopped her from getting the house she wanted for their own selfish reasons. The kids don't deserve that.

[kicksave]

5 hours ago, backhometome said:

I cant stand Luann. So fake and pretentious. 

Dorinda is also annoying. I think B said she cant stand being wrong and seems like it.

So Barb got power of attorney when Lu went off the rails? Seems odd. Wouldn't a family member get it. 

Whats up with Ramonas face. She got weird puncture marks on her cheeks. 

Bethenny had a really nice house.

The same thing occurred to me about Barbara getting power of attorney! Wow! Did she not think that maybe Luann's brother or daughter should be notified about Luann and maybe one of them be given power of attorney? Weird...Barbara seems like a real yenta.

[Double A]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Cut to anyone on IG ever ... isn’t that what IG/ any online presence is all about? Faking a good time? 

The costumes - that's very Dorinda.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

18 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

Lord help me when I find Ramona to be the voice of reason. Lu's rehab is like a hall of mirrors - perspective is skewed and everyone is seeing themselves in her scenario. How convenient to use it as a reason to be shitty to Ramona (B) and to hold a grudge against Dorinda (Sonja).

If Lu is doing cabaret shows in the city around the drunken proletariat masses, there is no reason to believe the very presence of Ramona Coaster and Dorinda is going to lead to her falling off the wagon. If anyone genuinely believed that, they'd be sending her back to rehab.

Lu's sobriety is her responsibility and only hers. I think it's wonderful that her girlfriends staged an intervention and try to protect her, but they can't protect her from herself. I think they're gleefully using Lu's breakdown as a card to play against other cast mates. Problem is, it's making for a dull season. 

I'm on Dorinda's side in all this. She doesn't want to talk to Lu, or be around Lu. That IS the healthiest thing for both of them right now. Lu's demands are not Dorinda's problem. Lu can get over it, or they can cease to be friends and start being colleagues. That is a fine choice and no one should push for more.

Dorinda is not in rehab or talking about rehab. She really shouldn't be shaming however long Lu spent there. And on the flip side, Lu needs to stop projecting and deflecting her shit on others. Just because you did two vacation stints somewhere doesn't give you the right to start diagnosing and bullying others while insisting they too have your problem - only worse. ::side eye:: Isn't part of the program to be taking accountability for your own actions?

I wouldn't apologize to anyone unless it was sincere. So I applaud Dorinda for not apologizing out of need for camera time. It is CRYSTAL CLEAR Lu doesn't want an apology. She wants a pound of flesh and a punching bag on which to unload her pent-up anger. And B, sharpening her knives in the background, is only too happy to serve up Dorinda or Ramona for Lu to bludgeon. She's very much what the RHBH crew insists LVP is - a manipulator who indirectly gets others to do her dirty work. Remember the MESSAGE she had Alex deliver to Jill? Jill and Alex never recovered, and somehow Jill was groveling to B by the end of season 3...

Tins is so adorable. She's kinda boring, but that car is gorgeous and her style is on point. She's absolutely beautiful in person and it translates on screen. 

Barbara uninvited Dorinda and Ramona to have a moment and wedge her way into a storyline. Nothing authentic there. She'd bury Lu under sheetrock if it got her another construction job.

Sonja is probably loving this uninvited storyline. God, I wish they'd incorporated the Alanis Morisette song somewhere in this ep. I would have been rolling as hard as I did when The Bachelor closed its season with the snarky performance of Air Supply's "Making Love Out of Nothing At All." She's still mad about being uninvited to the Berkshires, and is taking every opportunity to show Dorinda how shitty it is to let that go on.

Now THIS is a post! Hall of fame! 

10 hours ago, smores said:

She listed her house in Sag Harbor on 6/19 (or at least that's when it hit the news), and there were articles that she wanted to move to the Catskills. On 6/22 she dropped the price by $500k.  On 7/12 news broke that she was being sued, because they wanted an injunction against selling the house to protect the trust that she never created.  It wasn't because the kids just "wanted their home" It was to force her to stick to the terms of the divorce decree 

Oh I looove the forensics. !  6/19 -7/12 time frame speaks to the high holy days of The Hamptons leading to up 4th of July and surrounding it of PARTYING, and the influx of summer social season. You went off the deep end then Luann because you are an addict.  

I hope this 6 million dollar house is the RHOBH Lucy Lucy Apple Juicy of RHONY this season. 

7 hours ago, LucindaWalsh said:

I am enjoying all your details, not boring at all (I didn't quote the post you mentioned as boring)! You and Alfonso can bring all the forensics to the discussion you want, it thrills me. 

Forensics forever! Imagine you're the Count and your children's asset is going into the shady hands of barely legal loan sharking at the hands of Dennis. Not good. 

[Higgins]

10 hours ago, Mrs peel said:

I don’t think the kids filing the suit caused the relapse either,  and LU admitted she had started drinking again before that.  

The power of attorney thing was interesting.  I suspect that they got LU to sign it while she was drunk, in a manic episode, whatever.  Which is highly problematic if you want to use it long term, but it seems they used it to stop Lu from doing more financial damage to herself.  She’s pretty lucky a friend with her best interests did this.

Lu as bi-polar?  Not totally convinced as we’ve never seen a real depression from her.  I guess it could have happened when not filming.....  but certainly there is more to the intervention and her behavior last summer than just drinking.

 Totally hypo territory here, but I wonder if Lu has been getting progressively worse, in her mental state, since the divorce.  That she had a very secure financial situation that collapsed, and she was unwilling to adjust her financial situation after (which is totally on her and no sympathy needed for her).  Add in the obvious pleasure she got from being a fake countess, I’d guess she started drinking more.  But fundamentally, this isn’t about alcohol but her own mental state and refusal to deal with her life as it is.  So she drinks more, gets delusional about her “perfect” second wedding, disaster second marriage, sees her dreams of more financial security fall apart (adding Jacques in here too, though earlier), etc. etc. etc.

Lu needs to stop drinking, but she needs real, long term, therapy more.  Unfortunately there’s no sign she’s getting it.

I'm thinking stimulant induced mania, not bipolar DO.

Edited March 15, 2019 by Higgins

[hoodooznoodooz]

11 hours ago, smores said:

The POA thing has me asking quite a few questions.  It's difficult enough to have your own relative declared incompetent, I can't fathom that you could easily do it to a friend, let alone have it not become public, or do it quickly.  Did Luann sign it over willingly?  They made it sound like this was all a pretty quick thing, that they were going behind her and cleaning up after her in a fairly short period of time, so I just don't know how this happened unless Luann did it willingly, in which case, why? Was it another way to skirt her responsibilities?

As others have said, Dorinda managed to stab herself in the hand in Mexico.  She got herself blackout in Colombia.  She also shoved her face into a cake with lit candles last year while drunk in the Berkshires.  She's had episodes each season, pretty much, but at first it wasn't quite as obvious that she was flipping into nasty Dorinda, because it wasn't as frequent, maybe?  The first that I remember was the flipout in the restaurant where she had food flying out of her mouth and was screaming over something at maybe Heather?  It's escalating year after year, though, and she seems to think it's a cute look for her. 

My response would have been "New phone, who dis?"

I think Dorinda does owe Luann an apology, because she was awful to her in Colombia and the Jovani shit was bad.  Plus now the shit she said last night.  I also think Luann should probably be a bit more humble and worried about her own damn self, so should be less looking to settle old scores and more worried about how she's going to get her life back on track.  

Dorinda strikes me as someone who wants to be known as "a connector" in the same way that Jill is/was.  But, Jill typically didn't lord it over people, either.  Jill did a lot of shit that was bad, but, if you needed a phone number for someone or a recommendation for a dr, and she could get you that info, she did.  She also wouldn't go on and on about how you didn't properly thank her, even though you actually did, on camera, in front of a whole audience of people.  Dorinda has this need for people to constantly recognize that SHE is the only person who could have gotten Lu those dresses or Bethenny that nutcracker.  Nevermind that it happened on camera, both of them said it, showed it, thanked her profusely, she felt it wasn't enough and she is NOT letting it go.  

The whole intervention/lawsuit/reunion timeline keeps getting weirder and weirder.  Luann is saying that the lawsuit caused the relapse, but then she's saying that she was going off the rails and relapsing and wanting to buy the house, and they had to have the intervention.  She listed her house in Sag Harbor on 6/19 (or at least that's when it hit the news), and there were articles that she wanted to move to the Catskills. On 6/22 she dropped the price by $500k.  On 7/12 news broke that she was being sued, because they wanted an injunction against selling the house to protect the trust that she never created.  It wasn't because the kids just "wanted their home" It was to force her to stick to the terms of the divorce decree that she had agreed to and not let her use the house as her personal piggy bank, since the Count had waived his portion of the original house and granted it to the kids in the divorce.  7/16 the news breaks of her going to rehab, which is convenient because the reunion filmed on 7/17.  But, she was out by 8/6 in order to make her Cabaret schedule! 

It just doesn't seem super likely that the kids filing the lawsuit caused her relapse, it seems like she didn't like that they were pinning her down to not living up to the agreement and so when the lawsuit hit, she got out of the reunion and the tough questions.  Plus, her behavior had apparently been escalating already, from news reports.  I don't think she ever really quit drinking after her arrest, I think she just tried to go the careful route to get probation.

Actors such as Sarah Paulson openly declare their love for Dorinda. This feeds into the problem.

[Dance4Life]

Why were they making fun of Tyler Perry???

 FFS, not everything has to be Gandhi or Oprah to make sense! 

Sonja’s new apartment is a crap hole. What kind of furniture is that? It looks like it is all from Goodwill. 

Love B’s investment property.  Gorgeous!

That porch! 🍷🥖🧀🍇🍓🌷

What is her deal?  She has an apartment in NYC?  Or, is she going to be homeless like last time?

We know Lu doesn’t have an apartment in the NYC. She can’t afford one.  She definitely got married for that apartment.....she kept calling a Penthouse! Penthouse on a 4 story building. Ha!

Tinsley, another vagabond. At least she can sleep in the Bentley SUV.  Hopefully, Coupon Cabin Papi...leased her an apartment and  a garage.

Dorinda rents a place to film. At least this is the rumor.

Ramona is living her best life!  Love her Hamptons home. It is very palatial. It is really sad to watch her alone.  She wants a mate so bad.

It fucking sucks, older men feel the need to trade in old wives for younger wives. Fuck, Mario!

Edited March 15, 2019 by Dance4Life

[EtheltoTillie]

On 3/13/2019 at 9:56 PM, MadLove said:

Yeah I was just about to post this. Luanne has been insufferable this whole episode. Dorinda isn't faring too well either.

But it’s making for a great season so far. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

I can’t unsee Barbara waddling across the street in her green tucked-in polo shirt and mom jeans. 

[Carolina Girl]

22 hours ago, SnarkKitty said:

Smart. That has to be Bravo's play here.

Well, they are promoting that sub-category of series on home improvement and design.  This would add to it.  Sort of a "Flipping Out - East Coast Edition" except Barbara appears mentally stable.

[nexxie]

Wonder how many social drinkers have become heavy drinkers+ after being hired by Bravo - alcohol is the big star of this franchise.

[Mr. Miner]

2 hours ago, Dance4Life said:

Why were they making fun of Tyler Perry???

I know! It's like that made the quote irrelevant and it made BF bray like a malnourished donkey.

[politichick]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

I know! It's like that made the quote irrelevant and it made BF bray like a malnourished donkey.

I don't think they were making fun of Tyler Perry but were just humorously surprised that he was the source of the quoute because it sounds like something Ghandi would say, and really, who quotes Tyler Perry?

[Ms Blue Jay]

On 3/13/2019 at 10:16 PM, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Tins is a great tennis player. Also best tennis outfit. Perfect.

I tried to take lessons for a VERY BRIEF summer as a teenager.  Tennis is incredibly hard!  And yes, Tennisley is very good at it!

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

13 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I tried to take lessons for a VERY BRIEF summer as a teenager.  Tennis is incredibly hard!  And yes, Tennisley is very good at it!

You don't get to Tinsley's ability of tennis without working hard, and oceans of money in coaching and lessons in fancy country clubs.  I like her brand of housewifery- it's wealth and behind the curtain. I'll take that over Bethenny's mouth and Big Ang Barbara's crass. Maybe Tinsley is spoiled but I am here for it. 

HA Tennisley I see what you did there!!! 

Edited March 15, 2019 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[AuntiePam]

I think it's easy for Luann not to drink at her cabaret shows because everyone there is friendly and supportive.   They might be drinking, but they're not heckling her.  Plus, she stays sober at the cabaret shows because what she's doing is actual work -- she's not at a party where she can slip off to the ladies' room or go home when she's had too much.

But a small gathering where everyone is watching closely and at least one person is waiting to attack, that's different.  Dorinda is a really strong personality, drunk or sober.  Luann doesn't have the chops to handle Dorinda face-to-face, not without a drink.

She can handle one environment sober but not the other.  Maybe she can handle Dorinda after more therapy, but I'm not sure.  That woman can be nasty.

[Rap541]

I'd actually argue that Luann herself can be nasty as well. Agree on Dorinda but I really do feel Luann has some blame for how people respond to her high handed and condescending behavior. 

[biakbiak]

8 minutes ago, AuntiePam said:

think it's easy for Luann not to drink at her cabaret shows because everyone there is friendly and supportive.   They might be drinking, but they're not heckling her.  Plus, she stays sober at the cabaret shows because what she's doing is actual work -- she's not at a party where she can slip off to the ladies' room or go home when she's had too m

But there were stories about her being drunk/drinking at her cabaret shows when she was supposed to be sober.

Edited March 15, 2019 by biakbiak

[Sheenieb]

Talk about a missed opportunity. Luann would've won the episode if she responded to Dorinda's text with "halleloo." But that would've required some humor. 

Bethenny's rental property is beautiful, but if I never see another white couch/decor again it'll be too soon. It's as if these ladies are allergic to color. That's one thing I appreciate about Dorinda's Berkshires house. It's clearly lived in. 

I don't dislike Barbara, but she's definitely giving me NJ vibes; it's like she wandered on to the wrong set. 

Is it really that hard to enjoy free food, drinks, and STFU? 

[Ms Blue Jay]

I'm only on page 3 of your comments, but didn't it come out that the quote was actually said by Tyler HENRY, not Tyler Perry, making it that much funnier?

[Ms Blue Jay]

On 3/14/2019 at 11:40 AM, Persnickety1 said:

When Carole, Heather, and Aviva all joined the cast, I thought they were the roughest looking group of women Bravo could have found.  

I think Aviva is beautiful and resembles Kim Basinger.

I like nude lipstick.  I wear it with a strong eye, like violet eyeliner.

[biakbiak]

6 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I'm only on page 3 of your comments, but didn't it come out that the quote was actually said by Tyler HENRY, not Tyler Perry, making it that much funnier?

No.

[sasha206]

OML, going from Bethenny's immaculate property to the mess that is Barbara's.  It just goes to show you no matter how great the house is, interior design makes or breaks it.  Love the house porn on this show.  Love Ro's place and Beth's.  

I know Lu shouldn't be making the kids sound like the cause for the relapse, but I do like her.  Her laughing at the Tyler Perry quote with Beth was hilarious.  And Beth seems to have toned it down.  I was shocked how gentle she was about Barbara's interior decorating.  A more toned down Beth would do me good.  I was rewatching the earlier seasons yesterday and I loved her then.  That's when she was just her normal self and not trying to be a shock jock.

[Ms Blue Jay]

3 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

No.

Well!  He should take his own advice, then.   I watched "Acrimony" this year and it's the most misogynistic piece of work I've ever seen.

[sasha206]

On 3/14/2019 at 11:07 AM, Gem 10 said:

Barbara really piles on the face foundation so thick.  The lipstick is nude, which does nothing for the face. Why do women wear that nude lipstick in the first place?  I love a nice pink and dark red in the nitetime for a dramatic look.  I guess everything is about the eyelashes these days.  They pile that stuff right on.

Amen.  Nude lipstick is the worst.  It does nothing or your face and it makes your teeth look more yellow.

[RHJunkie]

Luann last season was not wrong about Dorinda's handling of alcohol, she's sloppy and mean, but this episode seemed like a lot of preaching from Lu that seemed more like projection. Lu used her close friendship with Barbara to subtly issue an ultimatum about who Barbara can have at her property and what I found disappointing is that she caved so quickly. If she cared so much about Lu's state of well being and how she would be affected by certain people at your party, why wouldn't she have had a discussion with Lu BEFORE inviting Dorinda to your home rather than having to rescind the invite?

Dorinda and Ramona were being catty about Lu's rehab and sobriety but I think Lu is becoming a bit brazen in her responses and demands from Dorinda. I do think Dorinda is the one that owed Lu an apology for that night (and she still won't admit that), but Lu is digging her own hole and at this point, she most definitely owes an apology to Dorinda as well.

I'm glad Lu had people around her to take such aggressive action, including her kids and ex-husband who took legal recourse in order to save her from herself. It makes more sense now why she and her kids reconnected so quickly after the lawsuit was filed. I think that would suggest that Lu is very much aware that it's her behaviour that led others around her to behave the way they did but I do wish that when she explains the timeline of her relapse and she mentions the lawsuit, she would more explicitly say in that the moment it felt like a betrayal by her family but she understands now that they were protecting her. I know she's basically admitted that much with the other women when they were talking about her behaviour and the intervention but I wish she would be more explicit anytime she mentions her kids. All things considering, I don't perceive her references to the lawsuit as her blaming her kids for her relapse, especially when she saws straw that breaks the camel's back...to me that clearly indicates that she was going downhill fast. The fact that her family took part in her invention also suggests to me that they likely realized that the legal recourse wouldn't be well received but they put their mother first in getting her help and still took part in her intervention and continued to support no matter how others perceived her comments about the lawsuit.

[Rap541]

1 minute ago, RHJunkie said:

f she cared so much about Lu's state of well being and how she would be affected by certain people at your party, why wouldn't she have had a discussion with Lu BEFORE inviting Dorinda to your home rather than having to rescind the invite?

The small bit of grace I grant Barbara on this is that she may not have known how upset Lu would be by the idea. That said, Luann is officially the one with the problem. If Dorinda attending someone's party that she is invited to is a trigger, Luann needs to put on her grown up panties and accept that the world doesn't revolve around her and her triggers and her friends are not required to make their events "trigger free" for her and the very first option out of her mouth should a be a gracious "You know, I need to be careful so maybe I shouldn't attend', and not a demand to have the trigger disinvited.

And if Dorinda is such a trigger, why is Luann continuing to be on the show where she will be required to spend time with said trigger?

I accept your argument about how things could be interpreted different concerning how the kids went with the lawsuit, but Luann very specifically said on the show that the kids filed the lawsuit because they wanted to have a house in the Hamptons, not that they were last ditch rescuing her from her addiction and forcing her to abide by a legal agreement of her divorce instead of screwing them over.

[biakbiak]

If Lu valued her sobriety and Ramona and Dorinda were such triggers for her that she couldn’t handle being in the same room perhaps she should have taken a break from filming this show and concentrated on getting herself on a better place. However that thought probably never even crossed her mind.

[Baltimore Betty]

As concerned as Lu's friend was about Lu's sobriety she throws a very nice party but there was booze, what would have been the harm in just not having alcohol? Surely her guests would have understood, right?  So instead of getting all pissing about unwanted guests Lu should have been pissy about the open bar.

[bichonblitz]

19 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

No surprise but Ramona is a really shitty hostess.  She leaves Dorinda, her guest, behind to go to Barbara's clam bake?  Rude.

I'm thinking production wanted her to do that so she can cause some trouble at the clam bake next episode. 

[biakbiak]

11 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

I'm thinking production wanted her to do that so she can cause some trouble at the clam bake next episode. 

Not to mention if Dorinda is as petty as I would be she probably realized that Ramona’s presence would annoy Lu.

[AuntiePam]

1 hour ago, Rap541 said:

I'd actually argue that Luann herself can be nasty as well. Agree on Dorinda but I really do feel Luann has some blame for how people respond to her high handed and condescending behavior. 

Isn't Lu's pretentiousness kind of a joke though?  Did anyone ever take her seriously when she behaved like royalty? 

Lu's always struck me as kinda dim.  Criticism from her would be like being brushed with a feather, whereas an attack from Dorinda would hurt, maybe because she's so much smarter than Lu. 

I have to respect someone before they can really hurt me.  I have no respect for Lu, never have, especially since she slept with that Johnny Depp look-alike. 

Dorinda - well, I respected her early on but last season and so far this season, she's losing me.

[gingerella]

Luann is only palatable to me on this show when she's a 'friend of' because she's being careful not to be a full blown Cuntess. When she's a full cast member she's beyond full of herself, nearly all these bitches are mentally deranged.

Luann: Delusions of grandeur, better than everyone else, others are beneath her. Lives in Cuntessville.

Bethanny: Full blown narcissist who smiles when others are being piled on. Supreme shit stirrer. Psychopath. Lives in, and is Queen of Bitchlandia.

Ramona: Deluded. Overblown sense of self, better than others, talks shit and acts a fool like it doesn't matter. Lives in LaLaLand.

Sonja: Delusion in a classic sense. Living in the past. Lies outright when everyone knows its a lie but isn't one bit ashamed of being caught out lying. Lives in Egypt, on the river DeNile.

Dorinda: Mean drunk alkie, fulled with self loathing because she went from wife of a well respected professor to a fat, greasy dry cleaner. Lives in Drunkghanistan.

Tinsley: Vapid but harmless, unless you're funding her days, which get expensive. Lives in Barbieville.

Basically, none of these cows is normal in the noggin. They're all mentally ill IMO. Except Tinsley, she's just a sad product of her mother who raised her little girl to be a woman who's sole ambition is to be taken care of by a man in the manner in which she grew up.

Edited March 15, 2019 by gingerella

[ghoulina]

16 hours ago, ichbin said:

Didn't Dorinda say something about having already apologized to Luanne repeatedly over the summer which is why she did not see the need to do so again as her ticket to the clam bake?

My memory is the worst, but didn't Dorinda try to apologize and make up while they were still in Columbia? But Lu wasn't being receptive? Or am I remember completely wrong?

[ghoulina]

5 hours ago, nexxie said:

Wonder how many social drinkers have become heavy drinkers+ after being hired by Bravo - alcohol is the big star of this franchise.

That's a good question. Lu for example - she has always been a bit of a "partier", but I never saw anything concerning, not like the way she was behaving when she was arrested. Granted, we don't see anything. But I tend to believe it was a big shift for her. I do think it's more than just the show. Her personal life was going off the rails. Then again, would she have stuck so resolutely to marrying Tom if she wasn't on reality TV. I stand by my opinion  that she only went through with it to save face. And she began drinking a lot more often to self-medicate.  I think it's a very interesting topic, for sure. 

[KungFuBunny]

2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I'm only on page 3 of your comments, but didn't it come out that the quote was actually said by Tyler HENRY, not Tyler Perry, making it that much funnier?

For me, I wish Dorinda's text was a quote from "Tom D'Agostino" because

Bunny hops to the corner

Edited March 15, 2019 by KungFuBunny

[biakbiak]

10 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

That's a good question. Lu for example - she has always been a bit of a "partier", but I never saw anything concerning, not like the way she was behaving when she was arrested. Granted, we don't see anything. But I tend to believe it was a big shift for her. I do think it's more than just the show. Her personal life was going off the rails. Then again, would she have stuck so resolutely to marrying Tom if she wasn't on reality TV. I stand by my opinion  that she only went through with it to save face. And she began drinking a lot more often to self-medicate.  I think it's a very interesting topic, for sure. 

Weren’t there stories of drunken fights with the count when they were still together? That would be pretty early on the show.

[Giselle]

3 hours ago, Sheenieb said:

Talk about a missed opportunity. Luann would've won the episode if she responded to Dorinda's text with "halleloo." But that would've required some humor. 

Bethenny's rental property is beautiful, but if I never see another white couch/decor again it'll be too soon. It's as if these ladies are allergic to color. That's one thing I appreciate about Dorinda's Berkshires house. It's clearly lived in. 

I don't dislike Barbara, but she's definitely giving me NJ vibes; it's like she wandered on to the wrong set. 

Is it really that hard to enjoy free food, drinks, and STFU? 

I really like dorinda's house itself. I like that she uses color and her home has individual personality meaning you can see the life of it's people.  The decor however needs editing as some beautiful pieces get lost in the mix, just like her Christmas.

[backhometome]

I've always liked Ramonas hamptons house. Glad she got in the divorce. 

[Mindthinkr]

2 hours ago, biakbiak said:

If Lu valued her sobriety and Ramona and Dorinda were such triggers for her that she couldn’t handle being in the same room perhaps she should have taken a break from filming this show and concentrated on getting herself on a better place. However that thought probably never even crossed her mind.

The thought of not having a good paycheck did. 

[RHJunkie]

17 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

The small bit of grace I grant Barbara on this is that she may not have known how upset Lu would be by the idea. That said, Luann is officially the one with the problem. If Dorinda attending someone's party that she is invited to is a trigger, Luann needs to put on her grown up panties and accept that the world doesn't revolve around her and her triggers and her friends are not required to make their events "trigger free" for her and the very first option out of her mouth should a be a gracious "You know, I need to be careful so maybe I shouldn't attend', and not a demand to have the trigger disinvited.

And if Dorinda is such a trigger, why is Luann continuing to be on the show where she will be required to spend time with said trigger?

I accept your argument about how things could be interpreted different concerning how the kids went with the lawsuit, but Luann very specifically said on the show that the kids filed the lawsuit because they wanted to have a house in the Hamptons, not that they were last ditch rescuing her from her addiction and forcing her to abide by a legal agreement of her divorce instead of screwing them over.

I'm not saying that Barbara should have accommodated Lu or even considered her in the process of a planning an event at her home, I'm saying that Barbara is making it seem like she's really concerned about the fragility of Lu's sobriety. She's spent all this time with Lu and she knows of the fracture in her friendship with Dorinda. It doesn't make sense to me why this would have never been a thought to her if it was, in fact, such a big issue. I'm leaning toward the disinvite was more to do with something for the cameras - she's closer to Lu and is willing to take the heat from Dorinda.

I don't know if you're responding to something I said specifically, but I want to clarify (because I never intended to suggest in the slightest) that I don't think Lu has any real credibility in making demands about being around Dorinda.  She has no argument to say that someone is bad for her sobriety but then she willingly works around that person when clearly she has other means of income so it's not like she's risking her sobriety because she would be completely destitute without the RH income. I completely sided with Lu last season with how Dorinda went off on her and I still give Dorinda side-eye for refusing to acknowledge doing anything wrong or even acknowledging that she's a piss poor drunk or doesn't handle herself well, BUT Lu must be high off of her cabaret success and possibly having more support from viewers last year compared to Dorinda and so it's getting to her head and she thinks she can hold Dorinda's feet to the fire. Things started with Dorinda owing Lu an apology but without a doubt, Lu has dug herself a hole as well and owes an apology to Dorinda as well. 

Between the show and interviews she's done, she has admitted that the home belonged to her children, she admitted they had a right to the say in that home so even if all she said was her kids were unhappy that she was trying to sell THEIR home...I don't perceive that as placing blame on her children when she's also admitted that her children were not acting unreasonably. And now we know how far gone she was by the time that stuff transpired and for her to admit that she was already down a rabbit hole before the lawsuit thing happened, that to me is someone admitting that their problem once again became too much to manage on their own, that isn't her children to blame and if she truly felt that and intended to put that onus on her children, why would she have reconnected with them so quickly even while the lawsuit was still in action?

[DrSparkles]

5 hours ago, politichick said:

I don't think they were making fun of Tyler Perry but were just humorously surprised that he was the source of the quoute because it sounds like something Ghandi would say, and really, who quotes Tyler Perry?

EXACTLY! Don’t get me wrong, I live in Atlanta & love him & his career is inspirational, but a source for life quotes? No.

I’m sure B doesn’t decorate her own homes. But that rental is FABULOUS.

[langford peel]

5 hours ago, politichick said:

I don't think they were making fun of Tyler Perry but were just humorously surprised that he was the source of the quoute because it sounds like something Ghandi would say, and really, who quotes Tyler Perry?

I  think it was entitled upper East Side casual racism that they immediately tried to cover up? 

People quote lines out of movies as profound wisdom all the time. Why is quoting Tyler Perry so ridiculous? Because he is popular?

Of course if Dorinda ever met Tyler Perry she would tell him to hang up  her coat and bring her a drink.

[biakbiak]

11 minutes ago, DrSparkles said:

EXACTLY! Don’t get me wrong, I live in Atlanta & love him & his career is inspirational, but a source for life quotes? No.

But how they phrased it wasn’t like that. They assumed the quote was by someone important like Gandhi and laughed not that the quote was inspirational or on point but who said it. 

[ichbin]

1 hour ago, AuntiePam said:

Isn't Lu's pretentiousness kind of a joke though?  Did anyone ever take her seriously when she behaved like royalty? 

She's imperious and I think people are sometimes initially intimidated by her because she aims for and successfully hits their insecurities.  I'm thinking way back to her correcting Bethenny on how she should be introduced to her driver and the Herman Munster shoes comment to Alex.  What does she really have to offer?  The best I can make out from that Bravo special about her was that she was blessed by genetics but otherwise just a common, middle-class, not so special suburban Connecticut past until leaping on the moneyed male gravy train.

[Giselle]

2 hours ago, Rap541 said:

The small bit of grace I grant Barbara on this is that she may not have known how upset Lu would be by the idea. That said, Luann is officially the one with the problem. If Dorinda attending someone's party that she is invited to is a trigger, Luann needs to put on her grown up panties and accept that the world doesn't revolve around her and her triggers and her friends are not required to make their events "trigger free" for her and the very first option out of her mouth should a be a gracious "You know, I need to be careful so maybe I shouldn't attend', and not a demand to have the trigger disinvited.

And if Dorinda is such a trigger, why is Luann continuing to be on the show where she will be required to spend time with said trigger?

I accept your argument about how things could be interpreted different concerning how the kids went with the lawsuit, but Luann very specifically said on the show that the kids filed the lawsuit because they wanted to have a house in the Hamptons, not that they were last ditch rescuing her from her addiction and forcing her to abide by a legal agreement of her divorce instead of screwing them over.

I agree with you but...

Lu is telling partial truth. The kids did want the house in the Hamptons, she is just not going into the deeper details on camera. She glossed over why and her part in it trying not to hurt the kids and herself.

The children's money was already invested in it. They did not want it transferred yet again to another house, one that's further away possibly harder to enjoy, and adding yet another layer of caculations to figure out what exactly is the portion the children are entitled to.

The first transfer to the Hamptons house was enough for them. With their mother's drinking escalating they had to protect their interests. 

It all could have have been avoided if the count had forced the sale and given his portion to his children.

[LibertarianSlut]

19 hours ago, smores said:

As others have said, Dorinda managed to stab herself in the hand in Mexico.  She got herself blackout in Colombia.  She also shoved her face into a cake with lit candles last year while drunk in the Berkshires.  She's had episodes each season, pretty much, but at first it wasn't quite as obvious that she was flipping into nasty Dorinda, because it wasn't as frequent, maybe?  The first that I remember was the flipout in the restaurant where she had food flying out of her mouth and was screaming over something at maybe Heather?  It's escalating year after year, though, and she seems to think it's a cute look for her. 

I have been thinking about this point ever since I was corrected on it.  Now that I am putting the pieces together, I am realizing that in the span of one season Dorinda got drunk in Miami and talked to Bethenny's business partners about kids in Haiti not going to college or some bizarre shit that would have sufficed to embarrass Bethenny (although it appeared at the time that B had a hand  in "assisting" Dorinda toward the state she was in) and then went to Mexico on B's trip and freaked out on B, crying that B isn't perfect, apropos of nothing, and I realized the timing is...weird.  

Why was Bethenny being excessively cool and supportive that one season, but now she seems to want to go in for the kill on Dorinda when Dorinda was worse to Bethenny two season ago...?  It leads me to believe this is much more about power dynamics than what we normal folks would experience around heavy drinkers--concern and irritation.  

I think Bethenny is a filer.  Jill Zarin may have created this monster, but she is certainly no match for her.  Bethenny will file away and remember each and every one of your transgressions and pull it out at the most opportune time.  This is a woman who will bide her time for years.  I guess I can't fault those who are afraid of her as much as I normally would.  

Is there someone that she has not gone after?  (I am not being hyperbolic; I am just curious).  The only one that would have matched her would have been Aviva, but, sadly, never the twain's paths have crossed...yet...

[Gem 10]

On 3/13/2019 at 11:58 PM, Lady of nod said:

Well, two episodes in and B hasn't pissed me off yet. I'm impressed that she's being kind to Louann. She really has a quick wit and I like her as long as she isn't eviscerating  someone. We'll see how long that lasts. Her investment property is beautiful  really enjoyed seeing that  

I don't know what it is about Lu but despite the fact she can annoy the hell out of me I cut her a lot of slack. I think part of it is her resilience and that she doesn't wallow in self pity  I wonder if she and her kids have reconciled  

I think Sonja is looking good and seems happy. And  Tinsley's looking good too. Much better hair. I was pretty impressed with her tennis - and how hysterical was Ramona's walk off, with explanation of how much she had worked out that day, when the pro was paying too much attention to Tinsley? She's the epitome of self absorbed. 

Dorinda can get off my tv anytime now  I really liked her first season but she's become uglier each season after.. She's a humorless bitch even when she's sober.

I agree about Dorinda .. she’s bringing nothing but sarcasm all around.   Barbara now .. soon Jill Zarin too.  I can’t wait.  Getting the popcorn ready.

one thing about Bethenny.  She is a helper when someone is in trouble, whether she likes them or not.   I don’t know if I would have went so easy on Jill if I was Bethenny.  She really did Bethenny dirty when she was at her lowest point. Jill practically kicked her to the curb, with Luann’s help of course.  I still remember that scene.