S06.E04: Big Girl, Little Bus

[ThinkerBell]

Honestly, I have no idea how snarly, flatulent, bleak Buddy manages to even live with himself, let alone find two women desperate enough to want to be with him. 

[John M]

18 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

All the residents have a substance abuse diagnosis but most of them are also characterized, loosely, as "failure to launch." Many of them don't know how to do stuff like take out the garbage, do the laundry or make their own dinners.

 

So I work in low income social services and unfortunately poverty is correlated with a bunch of other, not great things. You would be shocked at some of the things some of my higher functioning clients do and say, I'm often shocked and I have been doing this for awhile now. I often find myself boxed into otherwise solvable problems because of strings of staggeringly poor decisions by what would otherwise to appear to be functional adults with easily solvable problems had they done basic things like open their mail. And I'm not exaggerating, I've had to deal with like crisis level events because people will say things like "Yeah, I mean, I don't get anything like really important in the mail so I kind of just haven't opened it in a few months but then I got this phone call and it turns out this pile of letters the government has been sending me for a few months was important. Anyways, I haven't opened a lot of these, could you please just take care of it?"

Edited January 23, 2019 by John M

[sainte-chapelle]

15 minutes ago, John M said:

I don't get the sense that Buddy is qualified for any job that he would want to have and got spoiled by the income and lifestyle that bartending afforded him.

If you have the personality bartending can be a surprisingly lucrative career for someone that is otherwise qualified for stocking shelves at Walmart and isn't allowed to play with the inventory scanner.

Oh yea I have friends that make excellent money bar tending, it is not a career for the aging though. 

[sainte-chapelle]

7 minutes ago, John M said:

So I work in low income social services and unfortunately poverty is correlated with a bunch of other, not great things. You would be shocked at some of the things some of my higher functioning clients do and say, I'm often shocked and I have been doing this for awhile now. I often find myself boxed into otherwise solvable problems because of strings of staggeringly poor decisions by what would otherwise to appear to be functional adults with easily solvable problems had they done basic things like open their mail. And I'm not exaggerating, I've had to deal with like crisis level events because people will say things like "Yeah, I mean, I don't get anything like really important in the mail so I kind of just haven't opened it in a few months but then I got this phone call and it turns out this pile of letters the government has been sending me for a few months was important. Anyways, I haven't opened a lot of these, could you please just take care of it?"

 

Not trying to be snarky, genuinely asking, is a lower IQ or perhaps a language barrier involved? I know that ESL and extra help in schools is a fairly recent development. Students get frustrated, drop out and the cycle of poverty continues. Don't even get me going on the cost of higher education. A shocking number of college students in the US are homeless. I think Buddy had every opportunity to make better choices. Not everyone in life is dealt a fair hand.

Edited January 23, 2019 by sainte-chapelle

[aliya]

27 minutes ago, SevenCostanza said:

  Her gut looked really huge when she was sitting on that sofa while Todd danced.    

That's no lie. All I could see was her big midsection. 

[Colleenna]

On 1/18/2019 at 10:09 AM, OnceSane said:

Airs January 22, 2019.

Oh, so this was the trip they made to the Burgh LAST year!

[John M]

12 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Not trying to be snarky, genuinely asking, is a lower IQ or perhaps a language barrier involved? I know that ESL and extra help in schools is a fairly recent development. Students get frustrated, drop out and the cycle of poverty continues. Don't even get me going on the cost of higher education. A shocking number of college students in the US are homeless. I think Buddy had every opportunity to make better choices. Not everyone in life is dealt a fair hand.

 

Education for a lot of systemic reasons and I think at a certain point there hole you have dug yourself by intentional or unintentional choices when it comes to life and employment skills becomes insurmountable in their ability to attack it.

Like I have this friend, sweet, great guy, he had a trade job that actually made him good money as far as education and family history and he threw it all away because he got it in his mind that he should have a white collar professional job like pretty much all of his friends. Now he is up to his eyes in debt from a for-profit college because he was unwilling or unable to understand that at the age of almost 40 he needed high school level English, math and computer classes to catch him up to an entry level office job making $12 an hour.

One of the things I hear all the time from my clients is "Wow, what do I need to do to get a job like you have? Are you guys hiring?" and it's like, oh, that is sweet and I know your heart is in the right place but you aren't even remotely qualified for my position, like I'm planning on going back to school for a masters to advance in my career any further. There is a guy lower than me in the org chart and pay scale that is working on his Ph.D. "Keep checking our website!"

Edited January 23, 2019 by John M

[Rembeeazy]

2 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Isn't she somewhere in the midwest? He has nothing out there - no friends or supports. Plus I think he said he can't live with her because she has a kid and (wisely) she doesn't want her kid to be around him until she knows where their relationship is headed.

I'm not a fan of Buddy's or Heather's but I still think Heather is way out of bounds telling Whitney that Buddy has to get out. Wrong. I sympathize with Heather. I was head over heels for a guy years ago and it took forever for me to get over him (and he was a way better catch than Buddy). But she still doesn't have the right to banish Buddy from Whitney's - much less the entire city of Greensboro.

And speaking of Buddy - he has no money but he's shopping at Whole Foods? Or does he just use their reusable grocery bags?

Well if he had healthy coping skills, he wouldn't have become an addict.

Exactly. How can you walk into someone else's house, see your ex who you know is still friends with your friends, and then demand that they get out and stay with their parents? This is what happens when people in friend circles date and end bad. Heather has kids and a whole ex-husband that she got over so I don't understand why she's so hung up on her lying, cheating, coke head ex. 

[aliya]

49 minutes ago, John M said:

So I work in low income social services and unfortunately poverty is correlated with a bunch of other, not great things. You would be shocked at some of the things some of my higher functioning clients do and say, I'm often shocked and I have been doing this for awhile now. I often find myself boxed into otherwise solvable problems because of strings of staggeringly poor decisions by what would otherwise to appear to be functional adults with easily solvable problems had they done basic things like open their mail. And I'm not exaggerating, I've had to deal with like crisis level events because people will say things like "Yeah, I mean, I don't get anything like really important in the mail so I kind of just haven't opened it in a few months but then I got this phone call and it turns out this pile of letters the government has been sending me for a few months was important. Anyways, I haven't opened a lot of these, could you please just take care of it?"

I could have written this same thing. As a new lawyer, I tried to help women but it often seemed that once you get  some people out of trouble (and I was just doing civil work, not even trying to keep them out of jail), they keep having problems. You get to the point where you can't help some people. They don't do the little work, they avoid problems which only creates bigger problems, and they make bad decisions like buying a car when they need to get a handle on their rent. Very aggravating. 

[MrsClaus]

On 1/18/2019 at 12:45 PM, 3girlsforus said:

Love the title of this episode......

 

 

My daughter said it sounds like a porno movie

[mybuddyspence]

They weren't kidding about her being too big to use RV bathroom, were they? so if she has to pee in the middle of the night, then what? I went on a camping/canoe trip and we put up tents at a campground. Let me tell you, I was not happy about having to use a flashlight to find my way to the communal bathroom in the pitch dark. Seriously, it was DARK and a little spooky. It had a very "Friday the 13th" feel to it.

[Ocean Chick]

Heather’s main problem is that her one and only storyline at this point is “being bitter over Buddy and making Twit feel pulled in two directions”.  If she gets over Buddy she has no storyline and therefore loses her paycheck from TLC. And also her “fame” of being a real life tv actress.  So she had to keep up the pity party. She has no other options in her mind. 

[mybuddyspence]

1 hour ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Didn't he have a place to live? He chose to quit his pizza delivery job and move back to Greensboro and not call his sponsor. He needs to own his shit and take some responsibility for his choices instead of tagging along on an RV road trip or depending upon Whit or his parents to care for him. Speaking from experience recovering addicts are sneaky and manipulative. As for him and Whit, addicts attract addicts. These people make me ragey!

Exactly! Buddy is manipulating her-a classic addict trait. She needs to tell him to man up and get his shit together, already. How can she not see this?

[Alapaki]

The People Who Bankroll This Show Hate Whitney, Part the 100th: “hmm, sorry doll.  We spent the budget on your new extensions.  You’ll have to squeeze yourself into the ‘just really big’ RV, not the Shamoo-size”

Metal detectors at the show?  WTF are they afraid will get smuggled in?  Self-Respect?

[Dot]

2 hours ago, DNR said:

Did these people actually pay to shimmy side to side with Twit ? 

The same ridiculous Twit dance moves 😂😂

Read. My. Lips. BGDC does not exist, except for a day or two each year between Apr & Oct. Ppl in Greensboro do not pay to be filmed at a BGDC class; it's a cheap way for the producers to get a few extras to perform for the supposed fun of being on TV.

Nor did anyone in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or Chicago pay. The events were advertised on Twit's SM pages with the explicit statement that enrollment was free. Again, a cheap way to put together a group of extras without having to pay them.

[Rembeeazy]

Whitney seriously has the backside of overweight elephant 

[auntjess]

I've only watched a little of it, but yes, Whit should have told Heather that Buddy was staying there.
And Heather, wtf gives you the right to banish Buddy (from Whit's ? from Greensboro?)  Suck it up and get over it!  How long has it been.  

Yes, he done you wrong, but also, you had a narrow escape.  Grow up.

[John M]

1 hour ago, aliya said:

I could have written this same thing. As a new lawyer, I tried to help women but it often seemed that once you get  some people out of trouble (and I was just doing civil work, not even trying to keep them out of jail), they keep having problems. You get to the point where you can't help some people. They don't do the little work, they avoid problems which only creates bigger problems, and they make bad decisions like buying a car when they need to get a handle on their rent. Very aggravating. 

Without getting to far in to specifics of my job, imagine if someone said you can buy a brand new BMW, like a 5 series and they would make your car payment for you every month and all you had to do for this car was give them the car payment bill every month by say the 14th of the month.

And your life became "Hey, I got a phone call and they said they are going to repossess my car if I don't give them $2,000 by the end of the week! I thought you were going to pay for this?!" for hours a month explaining over and over again, "Remember these dozen times over the last two months I have contacted you saying I need your bill? Yeah, you never sent it to me." "Well, I know, I've been busy, can you just fix it?"

This is my life.

Edited January 23, 2019 by John M

[princelina]

On 1/19/2019 at 1:01 PM, Dot said:

I guess every episode Buddy is gonna disappear for a while so Twit can blubber about it.

Followed by a cliffhanger ending, which is then followed by previews of him looking sober and sane.  O the suspense!

[Kentuckydaisy]

4 hours ago, aliya said:

Yeah, Twit, you should have anticipated how bad Heather would feel, except since you only focus on yourself, it never even occurred to you. Twit doesn't disappoint in the distasteful human category. 

I was just thinking,  why does she have to hid him from heather, its not like she lives there, why would he need to stay at his parents so heather can come and go at whit house, not like she lives there,  wtf don't people call first, either a set up or mood stabilizers all around. 

[monagatuna]

The RV thing is just for the show, I'm sure. No normal people would get one for a three-city "tour." If you're actual performers with equipment and roadies, you get a bus with lots of storage and a lot less living space. If you're otherwise traveling, you fly or drive a car. I know people who live permanently in RVs in places that otherwise can't accommodate apartments, and they're happy--but they also live there full time. The RVs are cozy and clean, and it's nice at night when no one's around and it's dead silent and pitch dark, but it would be a different story if they had to drive those things around all the time.

The Buddy thing really bothers me. Buddy was getting professional help but followed the paychecks back to Whitney and, as much as I dislike him generally, I can't begin to understand how poorly she's treating him. First, she glumly puts his food back in his bags, without any explanation, and lets him get there on his own that Heather has demanded he leave--as if she has any say! You swoop in to "save" Buddy from himself and then put him out on the streets because your overgrown teenager of a friend can't get over someone who left her years (?) ago? Come on. Buddy may be a piece of shit, but he needs help, and a little compassion. He's an addict, for christ's sake. Don't pretend you want to help him and then toss him out on the street five minutes later because some overgrown baby stomped her feet and held her breath and threw a goddamn tantrum.

And Heather. You sick bitch. Look, I'm on all your side when you say "what does she see in him?" But really--he is a sick person. Regardless of whether he's "moved on" or not, regardless of whether she has feelings for him or thinks he did her dirty, regardless of how she feels--he is in physical, emotional, and spiritual pain right now and he needs compassion, not nagging pathetic mewling over his presence. He needs to be away from this whole crowd but, assuming being around Whitney was actually helping him (I know, I know), it's really cruel of her to drag him away from that. All because she's a pathetic sad sack with no life. His presence is not actually harming her, but her demands could theoretically be harming him.

That's all assuming, of course, that any of this is real, so huge, huge caveat there.

[bichonblitz]

Last episode Whit looked like she lost a lot of weight. This episode she looks huge again.

Oh, and Buddy, FUCK off. 

[shouldbedancing]

Whitney knew she should have told Heather. There was no mistakes or mystery there. Whitney can't see two feet in front of her face. I don't agree that Whitney needed to kick Buddy out on Heather's account. But for once, her parents had meaningful things to say. She's not responsible for Buddy's behavior. And Buddy is milking it because he's making all his passive-aggressive "woe is me" comments. They're playing off each other. They really deserve each other. Poor Todd. #FreeTodd

[Kentuckydaisy]

anyone else tired of the curtain tassel earrings.  I thought these were in style at target a few years ago where did she get so many....  that pink outfit with black bra...you know the one.... I am not a fashion icon but how can the house look like it's from this decade but herself.... just no girl is not going to get any endorsement deals without a stylists glenn the business manager make a note....

[JDAlexander]

I'm kinda hoping this "3 city tour" will go by way of Gilligan's "3 hour tour," and she'll get lost and never be seen again!

[aliya]

Oh my good Lord - Buddy is triggered by the campfire??

My sister called earlier so I missed a lot of the dialog, which I'm catching now. I'm just tired of all of these people. 

52 minutes ago, John M said:

Without getting to far in to specifics of my job, imagine if someone said you can buy a brand new BMW, like a 5 series and they would make your car payment for you every month and all you had to do for this car was give them the car payment bill every month by say the 14th of the month.

And your life became "Hey, I got a phone call and they said they are going to repossess my car if I don't give them $2,000 by the end of the week! I thought you were going to pay for this?!" for hours a month explaining over and over again, "Remember these dozen times over the last two months I have contacted you saying I need your bill? Yeah, you never sent it to me." "Well, I know, I've been busy, can you just fix it?"

This is my life.

This is why I retreated to the convent that is academe.

[Kentuckydaisy]

4 hours ago, Mollysmom said:

She kind of deserves it though by her acting like he and his issues are solely her responsibility. 

I know who says I will never forgive myself  every 2 seconds  if Buddy finds drugs, if heather finds out, if blah blah. 

2 hours ago, MrsClaus said:

My daughter said it sounds like a porno movie

omg don't give this bitch any ideas I will totally see her doing this as a strong independent fall back career...

[Kentuckydaisy]

29 minutes ago, shouldbedancing said:

Whitney knew she should have told Heather. There was no mistakes or mystery there. Whitney can't see two feet in front of her face. I don't agree that Whitney needed to kick Buddy out on Heather's account. But for once, her parents had meaningful things to say. She's not responsible for Buddy's behavior. And Buddy is milking it because he's making all his passive-aggressive "woe is me" comments. They're playing off each other. They really deserve each other. Poor Todd. #FreeTodd

todd was going to sleep in his little cubby hole like it was a japanese capsules hotel because no one else would fit there, smelling buddy's fart. todd you are not being paid enough for this. I loved how he called whitney Scarlett and told her not to trip

[Kentuckydaisy]

48 minutes ago, princelina said:

Followed by a cliffhanger ending, which is then followed by previews of him looking sober and sane.  O the suspense!

I think buddy had to stay with the crew because they needed to pull a Blair witch disapearence on him where whit and todd wake up and he is gone.  he was triggered by campfire....  ok.....so is that supposed to be some sort of hillbilly blow around the campfire thing people do....or just totally the best bs trigger they could come up with

[Tabbygirl521]

I can’t follow any of this nonsense. If Buddy is planning to move Chelsea and her kid to Greensboro, won’t he need to have a place of his own? I thought he had a job lined up before he moved back. That seems to have vaporized. So now is he waiting for Chelsea to arrive and become his new sugar mama?

dude needs to return to rehab, stat. 

Heather, get it together. 

[Kentuckydaisy]

3 hours ago, Dot said:

Read. My. Lips. BGDC does not exist, except for a day or two each year between Apr & Oct. Ppl in Greensboro do not pay to be filmed at a BGDC class; it's a cheap way for the producers to get a few extras to perform for the supposed fun of being on TV.

Nor did anyone in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or Chicago pay. The events were advertised on Twit's SM pages with the explicit statement that enrollment was free. Again, a cheap way to put together a group of extras without having to pay them.

I think it is funny how whitney pretends to do the bookings ie i set the booking to 500, sold 500 tickets, 5 seconds later it was reserved 500 tickets then something about 250 tickets ok..then buddy refers to the tour manager doing all of this venue stuff a few times. etc.... buddy is now my new favorite very troubled but at least he isnt keeping up with the bs

[Kentuckydaisy]

5 minutes ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

I can’t follow any of this nonsense. If Buddy is planning to move Chelsea and her kid to Greensboro, won’t he need to have a place of his own? I thought he had a job lined up before he moved back. That seems to have vaporized. So now is he waiting for Chelsea to arrive and become his new sugar mama?

dude needs to return to rehab, stat. 

Heather, get it together. 

I think heather just needs the right meds, she shouldn't be afraid of ashamed of this, could have had a messed up childhood, girl has emotional regulation issues freaking out and getting so angry over the new mrs buddy, so stand offish at trinadad poolboy even if he was fake, girl there are meds and therapies for self esteem issues...

3 hours ago, Rembeeazy said:

Whitney seriously has the backside of overweight elephant 

Why did they have to do the close up, it was gross

[Kentuckydaisy]

I feel really bad for the ladies in the class, they are all looking  up to her so much, so desperate for a positive roll model... I think it is really cool for a bunch of girls to have a dance class like that, it would be better if she was a better role model and supported weight loss and self care as self love.  I understand shame is a huge psychological issue a lot of us have but whitney lies saying she changed her attitude about her body overnight, she wants to lose weight and be active its clear, just doesn't  want to deal with her binge eating issues.  If she would do that she could really help people.

[Kentuckydaisy]

6 hours ago, John M said:

So in a past life I used to hang out with some minor pro-sports players and a local newscaster, celebrity, even incredibly minor celebrity is inexplicably infectious to a surprisingly large subset of people. It's really bizarre to see it up front in personal with people you know as that dude I sometimes have a beer with that does that thing for a living that I don't care about at all.

I know understand  why she would charge people 15 to say happy birthday to her

[Me from ME]

Quote

so Twit can blubber about it

Dot, you could not have chosen a more appropriate verb.

[sATL]

Real quick as I just caught this episode  - at what age does one stop crying to their parents about a breakup with a boyfriend that you knew he (and/or you) weren't too invested about ? Whit was crying about Avi/Ari/Arti/somebody... like he left her at the alter with 3 kids.... Just like to know before I re-new my membership in the mean-moms club... 

[winsomeone]

Once Heather moves on from Buddy, that will pretty much end her role on the show I would guess? So part of her tears is for her soon lost money.

[GrannySmith]

8 hours ago, John M said:

Without getting to far in to specifics of my job, imagine if someone said you can buy a brand new BMW, like a 5 series and they would make your car payment for you every month and all you had to do for this car was give them the car payment bill every month by say the 14th of the month.

And your life became "Hey, I got a phone call and they said they are going to repossess my car if I don't give them $2,000 by the end of the week! I thought you were going to pay for this?!" for hours a month explaining over and over again, "Remember these dozen times over the last two months I have contacted you saying I need your bill? Yeah, you never sent it to me." "Well, I know, I've been busy, can you just fix it?"

This is my life.

Rep payee, Adult Services?  Been there, done that. 

[SunnyBeBe]

I hope that part of the season will include Whit getting some professional information about enabling and about how an addict is responsible for their own behavior.  It's nice to be compassionate, but, I get annoyed with people who say they feel guilty, because of the choices another person makes.  Please.  I realize that it's part of the storyline this season, but, it sure is frustrating.  Whit claims that she knows addicts lie, but, then she takes Buddy at his word.  Do I believe that he actually called his sponsor?  Please. 

The brightest parts of the show are Todd, imo. He cracks me up so much. 

[bichonblitz]

I'm curious what real life jobs do Heather, Todd and Tal have? Or are they all living off Whitney's show? 

[crazycatlady58]

9 hours ago, John M said:

Without getting to far in to specifics of my job, imagine if someone said you can buy a brand new BMW, like a 5 series and they would make your car payment for you every month and all you had to do for this car was give them the car payment bill every month by say the 14th of the month.

And your life became "Hey, I got a phone call and they said they are going to repossess my car if I don't give them $2,000 by the end of the week! I thought you were going to pay for this?!" for hours a month explaining over and over again, "Remember these dozen times over the last two months I have contacted you saying I need your bill? Yeah, you never sent it to me." "Well, I know, I've been busy, can you just fix it?"

This is my life.

I know people like this. When you cannot fix it they complain to friends and on social media that you are a mean poo poo head ( tm Codey Brown) and refused to help them. I am being to think it is some type of mental disability that has not been diagnosed.

[Elizzikra]

12 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Didn't he have a place to live? He chose to quit his pizza delivery job and move back to Greensboro and not call his sponsor. He needs to own his shit and take some responsibility for his choices instead of tagging along on an RV road trip or depending upon Whit or his parents to care for him. Speaking from experience recovering addicts are sneaky and manipulative. As for him and Whit, addicts attract addicts. These people make me ragey!

He was living with his brother in DC - so still sponging off a family member. Totally agree with you that he needs to be responsible for his own life. He has a lot to do - find a job that pays a living wage and find a place he can afford to live.

[Elizzikra]

12 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Not trying to be snarky, genuinely asking, is a lower IQ or perhaps a language barrier involved? I know that ESL and extra help in schools is a fairly recent development. Students get frustrated, drop out and the cycle of poverty continues. Don't even get me going on the cost of higher education. A shocking number of college students in the US are homeless. I think Buddy had every opportunity to make better choices. Not everyone in life is dealt a fair hand.

Some of it is lack of role modeling. People learn how to do things like open the mail, pay the bills, get up and go to a job on time, etc. by growing up in families where they see their parents doing these things. I'm not saying that all poor people are irresponsible by any stretch but you really can't underestimate how much you learn about responsible adulting from growing up in the midst of it.

[SunnyBeBe]

14 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

He was living with his brother in DC - so still sponging off a family member. Totally agree with you that he needs to be responsible for his own life. He has a lot to do - find a job that pays a living wage and find a place he can afford to live.

I wonder if Buddy has considered actually applying himself to sober living and working.  There is a place in Durham, NC, not too far from him, called the Durham Rescue Mission.  They help many alcoholics and addicts getting their lives straight, staying sober, developing values, and learning a trade. They put you up, provide you food, education, transportation, job training and even help you get a job.  They have many supporters who aid them with this.  I know several people who they really helped. It changed their life, because, they were close to death. 

[ClareWalks]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I hope that part of the season will include Whit getting some professional information about enabling and about how an addict is responsible for their own behavior.  It's nice to be compassionate, but, I get annoyed with people who say they feel guilty, because of the choices another person makes.  Please.  I realize that it's part of the storyline this season, but, it sure is frustrating.  Whit claims that she knows addicts lie, but, then she takes Buddy at his word.

Part of the problem is that Whitney is also an addict (food) and they have enabled each other for years. The fact that they're living together is destroying any chance that Buddy has of recovery.

[Kentuckydaisy]

Todd new catch phrase oh noooooo

[3girlsforus]

5 minutes ago, ClareWalks said:

Part of the problem is that Whitney is also an addict (food) and they have enabled each other for years. The fact that they're living together is destroying any chance that Buddy has of recovery.

I suspect this is part of why she quit (or took a break as she says) from therapy. At some point even a bad therapist is going to point out to her that she has mental health issues like addiction, narcissism, personality disorders, and that she’s enabling Buddy. My guess is that she lumbered out of the therapist office yelling ‘body shamer’.

[Ketzel]

1 hour ago, winsomeone said:

Once Heather moves on from Buddy, that will pretty much end her role on the show I would guess? So part of her tears is for her soon lost money.

Well, if she's been friendly with the production people, maybe they'll hire Lennie Alehat again to play her new boyfriend. And then there will be a whole lot more drama between Whitney and Heather, and Heather and Lennie, and Lennie and Buddy, and Whitney and Lennie, and Buddy and Heather and . . . Whew! So much potential excitement!

[cherenkov]

13 hours ago, John M said:

Huh, crazy that the capacity of the venue is exactly the same as the number of tickets she sold "accidentally".

I live in Pittsburgh and I was here when the "BGDC" showed up to film this. The venue was originally advertised as Carrie Furnace, which is an outdoor venue that can be rented. It's located in Swissvale, just down (upriver) the Monogahela River from Pittsburgh. The event took place on 6/19 and because Pittsburgh had an incredibly rainy summer, the forecast for that entire week involved heavy rain and storms. The location was moved to the Rex Theater at the last minute so that it would be indoors. If you look at the evensi site for it you will still see the original location of the event:

https://www.evensi.us/pittsburgh-dance-todd-whitney-rivers-steel-carrie-blast-furnaces-national-historic-landmark/259829746

Everything about them being misled by the venue regarding the capacity and the drama that ensued was manufactured after the fact by the show. The tickets were always free, there was no capacity issue with the outdoor Carrie Furnace venue, and The Rex (a tiny century-old theater on E. Carson St in the South Side) never lied to them about their capacity. The place does a lot of shows and has different seating or open floor configurations. I have been there many times. It is not meant for teaching a dance class and never was.

[John M]

Aren't we taking Buddy's supposed struggles with sobriety a little seriously for this ridiculous show? Was he abusing drugs and alcohol? Sure, I can believe that but not everyone, not even serious abusers need intensive and ongoing intervention to prevent relapse.

I have a feeling that TLC would not put up with any potential legal or insurance exposure if Buddy was really at high risk of a major drug and alcohol abuse relapse.