S37.E07: There's Gonna Be Tears Shed

[Whimsy]

As alliances between the Davids and Goliaths are tested at the merge some new castaways may join forces, including an unlikely pair.

[Ms Blue Jay]

Oh dear, God, No.

[cooksdelight]

Why the hell didn’t they get rid of Angelina??? EVERYBODY voted for Elizabeth, except for her vote for Angelina. 

They are all idiots.

[mojoween]

“A Counter-Goliath Insurgency” is going to be the name of my apocalyptic children’s novel.

Also Alec wanting to squash Goliath Strong makes him my hero.  Also also he has beautiful eyes.

Peachy.  Shut your face.  Elizabeth and Alison belong to the SAME TRIBE.  

I thought Angelina was as annoying as she could ever be but somehow, she found another level.  It’s actually kind of impressive.

[LadyChatts]

I don’t think I’ve been this on the edge of my seat for a TC in a loooooong time.

And when Jeff opened TC up with “the merge vote often sets a tone…” I thought ‘this better deliver.’  Epic!  I didn’t even mind the game of telephone going on.  Or Gabby’s tears.  This had everything!  Except Angelina getting voted off.  Seriously she is TERRIBLE at this game.  And yet, Elizabeth is the bad one at strategy because she just didn't go off into the night quietly.  Please let her be next.  I really hope the Goliaths just don’t pick off the Davids.  That's going to get old fast if the end game is all them.

Edited November 8, 2018 by LadyChatts

[Rachel RSL]

Another great episode! I love when the IC ends and there are still 30 mins left because you know it means there’s a lot of strategy coming up. Elizabeth’s plan might have worked if she’d outed Angelina earlier in the day. I knew she was toast as soon as she said she was going to wait until TC. It’s so rare that people change their minds at TC. Angelina obviously was hoping Elizabeth would be able to save herself so she could get her way and have Christian booted instead. It was hilarious when her plan totally backfired and Elizabeth blew up her game. She never saw that coming lol!

I’m all about the Counter Goliath Insurgency! All my favourite people are in that alliance. I was so bummed when they merged and John was immediately all “Goliath strong!”  I’m not interested in seeing a Pagonging. Although, as long as Christian is safe, I’m happy. Him stopping mid-sentence to fix the piece of wood he knocked over was so funny. I hate that his awesomeness has already made him a target. Back off my boyfriend, Angelina!

Dan and his 2 idols can go next. I don’t care that he used to be fat, I find him obnoxious. Angelina is also on my last nerve but I like her in the sense that she’s sort of an old-school reality show villain. The kind you love to hate, as opposed to Russell who you just hate.

[cooksdelight]

There’s no love in me for her. I just hate Angelina. She’s dog turds.

[LadyChatts]

I could listen to Christian talk all day.

Dan the Man is totally going to Keith Nale himself this season at some point.  He clearly has never seen an episode of this show to know why he might be a target.  And is he going to keep giving himself pep talks at challenges about how awesome he is?  I cannot hate this guy.  He is too good at comic relief and doesn’t even know it.

The Goliaths are hopefully getting set up for a big down fall.  I was not happy to hear all the ‘sticking to tribal lines’ talk.

I loved Gabby’s paranoia at the merge feast thinking about there being an idol hiding somewhere, and John salivating at the 100,000 calories of food in front of them.

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There’s no love in me for her. I just hate Angelina. She’s dog turds.

She's such a spoiled brat.  She's not even a fun villain.  Heck, I don't even consider her a villain.  She's just a bossy, vain, know it all who everyone is supposed to bow down to.

Edited November 8, 2018 by LadyChatts

[LanceM]

Angelina is a star. I am sorry. And I mean star in a train wreck sort of way.  Kudos to the editors this season. I did not see an unanimous vote coming at all. I kind of knew Angelina was staying but not like that. I hope she last all the way to finale night because she is entertainment gold.  Though I suspect I might be on an island of one for that opinion.

Also, Dan talking to himself during the challenge "Remind yourself how awesome you are. you are the man" had me cracking up.

[Straycat80]

Surprised everyone, even all the David’s, voted for Elizabeth. I liked her. I was hoping big mouth Angelina would have gone but I think she’ll be gone soon. She’s already pissing off her own alliance people. 

[ghoulina]

Tears were shed alright. I'm a cried and even I'M getting tied of Gabby's. I do admire how fiery she is, not willing to just lay down and die. But she's got a secret alliance, so maybe she should chill some.

It would have been awesome to see Angelina go. She was totally pandering for a jury vote. But I didn't think the Goliaths would vote her out just yet. She better watch her back, though. 

Overall, this was a great episode in what has turned into a really great season. There's just do many interesting players and people are PLAYING. I'm kind of excited about this strike force alliance. I really just like so many people, it's going to get hard real soon. 

Funniest moment - Dan pep taking himself during the challenge. "Keep telling yourself you're awesome." Dude, wow.

[Lantern7]

I should have paid closer attention. All I know is there was a merge, an original immunity challenge, and Woody's friend Jesse got voted out. Seriously, has anybody ever had that many votes in one shot? Twelve has to be the record.

Seriously, I liked the challenge. Swinging pendulum seems simple, but it requires skills . . . and you can't really train for that.

And why is Angelina getting ripped? I'm not being contrary . . . once again, I'm not paying close enough attention.

Edited November 8, 2018 by Lantern7

[cleo]

Lol re the thread title. I was just coming to post that i enjoyed this episode but OMG pls stop with the fucking tears. 

[PaperTree]

Do we have new editors this season?  Well done.  Not sad to see Elizabeth go.

Goliath strong?  Not so much.  I'm loving this cross tribe Gang of 6.  Hope it lasts!

Dueling cowboy hats!  Carl really despises Elizabeth.

 Queen Angelina is my BEC this season.

Counter goliath insurgency :)

Nick has some serious vampire canines.

I liked this challenge.  Physics rules!   Peachy drooling over John, shocker!  Dinner bell at TC?  wtf?

Sorry Dan, your're not "the man".  Well done Dr. Allison.

Exponents!  Factorials!  LOL!  

Angie sez:  "I am an authentic person!"  Waaaah!

Well, authentically entitled and obnoxious, yes.  She can go next.

[cooksdelight]

1 minute ago, LadyChatts said:

I loved Gabby’s paranoia at the merge feast thinking about there being an idol hiding somewhere

She was the only one who thought of it, that we know of. I think the rest were too busy trying to stuff themselves.

[jsm1125]

Now I don’t actually think that gender has been a factor in anyone’s votes this season, but the men now outnumber the women 8-4. 

Allison seems like she’s in a good position: everyone wants to talk to her but we haven’t seen her be anyone’s target.

 

Did Davie have a confessional this episode? I don’t recall seeing one from him but I know everyone else had one.

 

I find Angelina amusing and interesting, but my god does she come off worse each week in the edit. 

[PaperTree]

3 minutes ago, cooksdelight said:

There’s no love in me for her. I just hate Angelina. She’s dog turds.

The runny ones....

[cooksdelight]

2 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

And why is Angelina getting ripped?

She’s entitled, obnoxious this episode, and thinking she’s running the show. People like that who brag about being able to lie and convince everyone to vote someone off make me dislike them even more.

[Ms Blue Jay]

15 minutes ago, jsm1125 said:

Now I don’t actually think that gender has been a factor in anyone’s votes this season, but the men now outnumber the women 8-4. 

I think gender is always almost a factor in the votes.  Somebody tosses out Elizabeth's name "Oh yeah that's an easy vote."  Somebody tosses out Christian's name "Now wait a goddamn minute........"  This kind of stuff happens every vote IMO.  Women are easy to shred, men give everyone pause.

[Haleth]

What the????  What was that whole performance at TC when everyone voted for Elizabeth anyway?  What was with Gabby's tears when she voted out her own tribe mate?  

Ugh, Angelina is a brat.  So is Dan.

Edited November 8, 2018 by Haleth

[LadyChatts]

I really don't think Angelina will know how to talk her way out of this one with her Goliath tribe mates.  Unless Alec's insurgency strikes first, or something else happens to fracture Goliath strong, I think they will keep her as long as they need her and then get rid of her.  She seemed to really piss them off tonight when insisting they vote Christian without caring what they thought, then the whole Elizabeth debacle.  I mean, I really hope she gets asked in an interview what her intent was there.  She acts like she was trying to help her...but do what?  So they will probably coddle her and say it's all good, but then we'll get TH that say otherwise.

Allison may be one to watch.  She seems in the best spot right now.

Edited November 8, 2018 by LadyChatts

[PaperTree]

6 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Women are easy to shred, men give everyone pause.

Women are usually women's enemies on these shows.  Sad.

[cleo]

I thought it was brilliant that Alison so quickly said she was working on the jury. Smart and fast and then the whole group was like -yeah. Of course it didnt change the vote, sigh. 

[dkb]

I think that Angelina is just petty. She probably thought by telling Elizabeth that it was her, that maybe Elizabeth would go and try to change the vote to someone else from David. Then there would be more drama and discussion and then she could be like, I told you it was the easy thing to do to vote Christian. Cause if this was jury management she isn't very good at it.

I wonder if watching back Elizabeth would be saying a David should win in the end, when they ALL voted for her? I guess she didn't realize how much people disliked her, or just didn't care as long as it wasn't them. No one, seemed to have any loyalty towards her at all.

She definitely did the rest of the David's a favor by letting everyone know about Angelina.

After the immunity challenge, this show was so fun to watch till the end of the episode.

[vb68]

Not that I care all that much for Elizabeth, but yeah that was super disappointing. Well watching Angelina's panic set in was fun anyways. " WHAT? !?! Why are you doing this to me?  OMG. OMG. OMG. It's ME!!! OMG. OMG. Nooooo!! But I'm so nice!"   I really enjoyed watching the smug drain from her face.

[mojoween]

I don’t understand why, if Elizabeth was determined to blow up Angelina’s spot at TC, Elizabeth didn’t say that Angelina was lying her face off when she completely misrepresented how the whole “Angelina told Elizabeth they are voting her out” scenario went down.  

I mean, Angelina told several lies all in a row and Elizabeth didn’t do anything about it.

Edited November 8, 2018 by mojoween

[cooksdelight]

Elizabeth may have been very hard to live with, we have no idea but what editors show us. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

15 minutes ago, mojoween said:

I mean, Angelina told several lies all in a row and Elizabeth didn’t do anything about it.

I hope she did but it was just edited out?  We could see Angelina blatantly lying; I totally agree with you.  Gabby kind of stuck up for Elizabeth's side and said "No that's not what we heard", but....

I'm sure Angelina was just as annoying to live with as Elizabeth.  Elizabeth wants a good night's sleep and Angelina basically thinks she's the Queen.  I thought it was HILARIOUS when John and Alison designated themselves the Queen's handlers and basically nodded and smiled as Angelina went on her rant about the ex cop changing her formal decree.

Edited November 8, 2018 by Ms Blue Jay

[LanceM]

1 minute ago, dkb said:

I think that Angelina is just petty. She probably thought by telling Elizabeth that it was her, that maybe Elizabeth would go and try to change the vote to someone else from David. Then there would be more drama and discussion and then she could be like, I told you it was the easy thing to do to vote Christian. Cause if this was jury management she isn't very good at it.

I wonder if watching back Elizabeth would be saying a David should win in the end, when they ALL voted for her? I guess she didn't realize how much people disliked her, or just didn't care as long as it wasn't them. No one, seemed to have any loyalty towards her at all.

She definitely did the rest of the David's a favor by letting everyone know about Angelina.

After the immunity challenge, this show was so fun to watch till the end of the episode.

I am not sure about that. I just watched Elizabeth's Ponderosa video and she gets emotional talking about how hard it was to betray Angelina.

[LadyChatts]

Looking at the big picture, Elizabeth seemed like a stupid vote.  She literally had no one.  Maybe she annoyed people, but why her?  Anyway, I already can't wait until next week for Angelina to play revisionist history.  My guess is she's going to be livid that anyone dare question her loyalty, even though she openly gave their plan away.  I think Angelina may crack easily if she makes the final 3, because I don't know that she can handle any hard questions or vitriol coming her way.

I wonder if/when Alec's deal making is going to exposed and if it'll cost him?  

Edited November 8, 2018 by LadyChatts

[PaperTree]

6 minutes ago, mojoween said:

I mean, Angelina told several lies all in a row and Elizabeth didn’t do anything about it.

Elizabeth, to me, is a classic example of a stupid person totally convinced of their advanced superior intelligence.  Bye!

[LanceM]

9 minutes ago, mojoween said:

I don’t undersrand why, if Elizabeth was determined to blow up Angelina’s spot at TC, Elizabeth didn’t say that Angelina was lying her face off when she completely misrepresented how the whole “Angelina told Elizabeth they are voting her out” scenario went down.  

I mean, Angelina told several lies all in a row and Elizabeth didn’t do anything about it.

Or the editing lied to us which is something they frequently do.

[ByaNose]

Angelina is quite the gamer. The girl is ruthless. The guys do it all the time so I’m okay with her doing too. I’m not sure if she could make it to the finals. Of course, she might be kind of goat worthy to some people to take to the end.

[llongori]

34 minutes ago, cooksdelight said:

She’s entitled, obnoxious this episode, and thinking she’s running the show. People like that who brag about being able to lie and convince everyone to vote someone off make me dislike them even more.

 Angelina is big time entitled.  When she found out the others were changing the vote, she had a bit of a tantrum.  We saw her crying.  She was angry that they would dare go against her decision.  And then to get back at the others, she told Elizabeth that she was the target.  The Goliaths should be terribly concerned that she would go behind their backs to try to derail what they decided to do.

I was SOOOOO hoping that she would be blindsided tonight.

Edited November 8, 2018 by llongori
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[dkb]

20 minutes ago, LanceM said:

I am not sure about that. I just watched Elizabeth's Ponderosa video and she gets emotional talking about how hard it was to betray Angelina.

That's interesting. I wonder if it was because Angelina tried to "help her," or if she genuinely had a great relationship with Angelina those last 3? days after merging. 

[truthaboutluv]

I knew Elizabeth was still going to be eliminated and all the dramatics was just to add some tension to the episode. But did not expect everyone to vote for her, including all of the former Davids. I guess I can understand the thinking that she was going anyway, no need to waste a vote, especially if they would want to work with some of the Goliaths later. But still, I wish one or two had thrown a vote Angelina's way, just to make her squirm a bit. 

Speaking of, Angelina is incredibly annoying. The thing is, her rationale for going after Christian wasn't wrong, as much as I like Christian. It actually made a lot of sense. But her sense of entitlement and "my way or no way" attitude was annoying and why it was especially amusing to see her huff and puff over, according to her, how Dan or Alec, just dictated who was going to her. I agreed with Alec that she was mostly furious because she had to deal with the fact that things weren't going to go the way she decided. 

That said, I think the editing is setting Alec up for a big blindside. There was way too much focus on him tonight and all his boasting about blindsides, playing the game, etc. Especially since his name didn't even come up as a potential vote and we saw so much of him. Granted that may be because he helped orchestrate the six person alliance of him, Alison, Mike, Nick, Christian and Gabby. And maybe that alliance goes far. Still, I think his days are numbered. 

Tonight was the first time I believed that Gabby could manufacture those tears at will. Because that crying at Tribal Council came out of nowhere and was completely random. She also needs to maybe calm the fuck down and not get so emotional. Because I foresee her blowing up her game very badly through some bad play/move that's the result of her acting purely on emotion. And honestly, I don't care that much but because she's so close to Christian and Angelina is already obsessed with getting him out, I would hate for it to ricochet on him. 

Speaking of people potentially blowing up their game - um Dan, the point of Survivor is to vote people out and be the last one standing. Dude's reaction to Elizabeth throwing out his name was so ridiculous and Kara's reaction to it was spot on. Like Gabby may bring Christian down with her histrionics, I feel like the same may happen to Kara because of Dan. Dan has two immunity idols, in the majority and gets so upset and emotional over Elizabeth throwing out his name.

And I loved his cluelessness of why him and not John, when it's like "because dumbass you keep making your alliance and connection with Kara blatantly obvious to everyone". And that pep talk to himself during the challenge was definitely something. If Dan hadn't talked about being fat before earlier in the season, I still would have figured out he'd had something that obviously made him very insecure when he was younger. 

And I have to say, Mike and Nick's obvious amusement and enjoyment of tribal council shenanigans and madness just kill me. Those two were both just laughing their asses off and completely amused as the whole Angelina vs Elizabeth saga was going on. 

Edited November 8, 2018 by truthaboutluv

[RedheadZombie]

Ugh.  Angelina is a fucking cockroach.  She scurries away from yet another tribal. 

Davids I’m still rooting for you, but how the hell did this vote make you anything other than followers?

[SuburbanHangSuite]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

I could listen to Christian talk all day.

As could I.  Counter-Goliath Insurgency!  Actionable Intelligence!!  Factorials!!!  And my very favorite moment of the night:

Christian:  "That is...a piece of wood."  AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ugh.  Couldn't stand Elizabeth but her blowing up Angelina's game was delicious and I was here for it.

[enoughcats]

I look forward to seeing Elizabeth dressed for jury.

Riddle me this: they merge, they feast, they gorge themselves, I'd guess only the tablecloth wasn't eaten.  So the next day they kill a chicken because they got hungry.  What about planning for the future? Or was it like a litter of puppies and real food "if I don't eat it my brothers will so I'll eat until I gag because that way no one else will benefit"

[North of Eden]

All Angelina had to do was gracefully accept it when they flipped back to Elizabeth and not draw attention to herself. It's just that simple.

With that said what Elizabeth did was in all honesty pretty low down...Angelina was trying to save her and help her if only to get her way about Christian but the fact remains her intent was to keep Elizabeth in the game. For Elizabeth to turn around and do what she did...well it just casts her in a bad light. On a side note I wonder if she had any rodeo experience the way she lasted so long in the contest.

There is an Alison? I swear she was invisible this season right up until her win.

I know people don't like Gabby crying but that just endears her to me even more because she's genuine and wears her heart on her sleeve. I have a real issue with people that are reserved to the point that its pathological. That comes from working with a woman for twelve years who won't ay good morning, good night or barely speaks at all. Completely a blank slate...doesn't keep family pictures or one...not one personal item on her desk. She'd give a Vulcan a run for his money...but getting back to Gabby...she's so real, so emotional...she's just awesome. I so hoped she would be the one to find the clue at the merge meal when she was the talking head about such things. Part of me thinks its behind the sign that said: "everything you need is right here". Oh, well if she didn't find it better than Dan the Brochero or Douchero or whatever that name is. I'd forgotten all about the Ken and Barbie thing he had going on with the blond that has no name.

[OutOfTheQuestion]

12 minutes ago, North of Eden said:

I so hoped she would be the one to find the clue at the merge meal when she was the talking head about such things. Part of me thinks its behind the sign that said: "everything you need is right here"

The little picture of the "here" being under a tree makes me think it's a map.  But yeah, I 100 percent think that's a clue to an advantage or an idol.

[ByaNose]

1 minute ago, OutOfTheQuestion said:

The little picture of the "here" being under a tree makes me think it's a map.  But yeah, I 100 percent think that's a clue to an advantage or an idol.

I wonder if something was to be found but nobody pursued or understood it. 

[PaperTree]

19 minutes ago, North of Eden said:

Angelina was trying to save her and help her if only to get her way about Christian but the fact remains her intent was to keep Elizabeth in the game. For Elizabeth to turn around and do what she did...

shows how stupid she is.  

[LanceM]

Twelve people don't all decide to vote the same person at tc . This was a plan that was obviously put in place before they got there.  So no, Angelina was not trying to save Elizabeth. 

Edited November 8, 2018 by LanceM

[Rachel RSL]

1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I think gender is always almost a factor in the votes.  Somebody tosses out Elizabeth's name "Oh yeah that's an easy vote."  Somebody tosses out Christian's name "Now wait a goddamn minute........"  This kind of stuff happens every vote IMO.  Women are easy to shred, men give everyone pause.

I have to disagree with this. Both of those things happened for purely strategic reasons. Carl knew a David would be going so he made sure he wasn’t the target by suggesting the one David he really doesn’t get along with. And Dan wanted her gone because she was actively coming after him.  As for why the reaction was different when Christian’s name was thrown out, three of the Goliaths are in a secret alliance with him so of course they wanted to shift the target off of him. None of that had anything to do with gender.

7 minutes ago, North of Eden said:

With that said what Elizabeth did was in all honesty pretty low down...Angelina was trying to save her and help her if only to get her way about Christian but the fact remains her intent was to keep Elizabeth in the game. For Elizabeth to turn around and do what she did...well it just casts her in a bad light

i don’t really get why it’s ok for Angelina to play the game but it’s not ok for Elizabeth. As you just said, Angelina was trying to manipulate Elizabeth so she could get her way (not for some noble reason about genuinely wanting to save her). Elizabeth saw that her best option to save herself was to out Angelina. They were both trying to make moves that were best for their own game. 

[blackwing]

I’m happy that Elizabeth is gone.  I found her irritating.  She seemed to think she was this powerful force that was destined to win the game, because she’s a tough country girl that kills squirrels with her bare hands, and nobody puts baby in a corner.  

However, I don’t get why all the Davids turned on her.  Was it an “anybody but me” thing?   I thought the Davids were targeting Dan.  Then when Angelina’s duplicity was revealed, why didn’t any of the Davids whisper to each other to vote for Angelina?  All it would have taken was one Goliath to flip and the Queen Bee is gone.   

Man, Gabby is uber irritating.  She cries at tribal council even when she is nowhere near in danger that vote.  She’s just not cut out for this game at all.

I swear that this episode was 75% Angelina centric.  I just want her gone ASAP.  Hopefully now that Goliath has a 7-5 advantage if everyone stays true, they can afford to lose her.

[marys1000]

I must have missed something.  Why did all the Davids vote for Elizabeth?  I was sorry to see her go.  Dan or Carl woukd gave been preferred (really dont get the Carl love)

Gabby, more tears but votes for Elizabeth.  She keeps wiping her eyes all dramatic.  

Elizabeth, Angelina etc should be more worried about the brochachos sticking together than dan and kara's shomance.

Dan doesnt strike me as much of a player

Allison starting to show her colors as a strong looking player.  

I read an interview with Angelina and I really liked what she was saying.  So.... confused on whether I like her or not.  I mean she is extremely directive about who everyone must vote for and based on the show I dont like her....but if you can pull that off well...isnt it good game play?

[Wandering Snark]

I was just thankful for a challenge that didn't end with "and you will then take the pieces you have gathered to solve a puzzle..." Nice to see something different. Oh, and the things they were twirling made me think of I Dream of Jeannie. I was waiting for something to come out of one of them through and turn Probst into a newt or something.

I am getting overly attatched to Christian and Gabby. I was all noooooo don't vote off Christian!! Today and felt sorry for Gabby at TC talking about always being on the bad side of numbers in the game and life in general. I guess I relate to those two.

I continue to laugh with John though, like when he said to Christian "Oh yeah, 'factorials'. I was just about to say that but you beat me to it!" But I was disappointed in his 'Goliath Strong' stance... but he did get the target away from Christian so he gets partial credit.

ETA: Yay for one less person not wearing pants at challenges.

Edited November 8, 2018 by Wandering Snark

[PaperTree]

6 minutes ago, blackwing said:

I’m happy that Elizabeth is gone.  I found her irritating.  She seemed to think she was this powerful force that was destined to win the game, because she’s a tough country girl that kills squirrels with her bare hands, and nobody puts baby in a corner.  

Picking myself off the floor.  LOL!!

7 minutes ago, Wandering Snark said:

Oh, and the things they were twirling made me think of I Dream of Jeannie.

[Cutty]

I don't understand Gabby's dog and pony show at tribal if she was just going along with voting out Elizabeth. Aggressive tear wipe! 

Good episode. Anticlimactic boot.