Amber: A Rill Woman Goes to Gel

[Jeanne222]

Amber deserves to be fired.  No doubt whatsoever!  With that said I would expect the network or sponsors to be doing everything to get rid of her!

Instead we have Andrew, the victim, screaming the loudest.  It seems he would be in a position to receive a pretty nice, fat check every month with Amber working!  He has no job so with baby James he'd be sitting pretty.

Could it be that Andrew is a decent guy with integrity rather than the family leeches we have grown accustomed to???

[galaxychaser]

16 hours ago, ginger90 said:

He wasn’t going to comment anymore............

If you saw her once in 2 years you got nothing to say at all. You weren’t there!

[EmeraldGirl]

And here I was picturing Amber handcuffed to Sidney Poitier and on the run. 

[JBC344]

11 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

And here I was picturing Amber handcuffed to Sidney Poitier and on the run. 

She would be so lucky!!! She would actually learn to have character, grace, integrity, responsibility.

Who am I kidding. Two minutes with Amber, Sydney would bite off his own hand too escape. 

[Bridget]

On 9/19/2019 at 10:15 AM, druzy said:

You are right @toodywoody. She was in a low level security prison. She was in the Rockville Correctional Facility for women. Apparently they allow their inmates to take part in charity walks outside the prison. What kind of Brady Bunch prison did Amber go to? It sounds more like a low level spa. I'm not against these low level prisons and I'm all for prison reform, but I am against Amber being sentenced to a low level prison. Amber tried to act like she was doing hard time while she was enjoying miniature golf and judging or partaking in pie eating contests. 

Dearest Druzy, what did the Brady Bunch ever do to you? Let’s leave them out of it!🤣💚

However, is it crazy to think that had Ambie actually gone to a Brady Bunch gel, she’d probably have left there a wee bit more rehabilitated than she claims to be? 

🎼🎤When it's time to change (when it's time to change)
Don't fight the tide, go along for the ride
Don't ya see
When it's time to change, you've got to rearrange
Who you are and what you're gonna be

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Edited September 22, 2019 by Bridget

[galaxychaser]

@druzy thank you for posting everything you do!!! I appreciate it.

[druzy]

1 hour ago, galaxychaser said:

@druzy thank you for posting everything you do!!! I appreciate it.

You're welcome!❤️ If anyone in my real life knew how much time I spend on this forum talking about teen moms they would either have me committed or stop answering my phone calls or both. 😁

[Booger666]

@druzy Maybe people in your real life would react that way, but not here.

[galaxychaser]

For those who follow Aaron Carter on Instagram. Yikes the guy is having a mental health crisis. And he has guns. Jeez.

[geauxaway]

7 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

For those who follow Aaron Carter on Instagram. Yikes the guy is having a mental health crisis. And he has guns. Jeez.

Yah it’s pretty dark.  Dude needs help, but I think he’s beyond repair (sadly).   

I’m guessing since Amber hasn’t been posting on SM, she’s been advised by SOMEONE that she better lay low....

[MargeGunderson]

1 hour ago, geauxaway said:

Yah it’s pretty dark.  Dude needs help, but I think he’s beyond repair (sadly).   

I’m guessing since Amber hasn’t been posting on SM, she’s been advised by SOMEONE that she better lay low....

But we all know that won’t last long. She’ll be sending all of her beautiful people love before we know it. 

[galaxychaser]

Yes drugs damage brains. And Aaron is definitely doing drugs. It’s so sad. I fear he will legit hurt someone. I agree there is no fixing him. Apparently the mom is a drunk. 

[Lastwaltz]

19 hours ago, druzy said:

If anyone in my real life knew how much time I spend on this forum talking about teen moms they would either have me committed or stop answering my phone calls or both. 😁

Me, too, only throw in DOOL and Real Housewives, lol. 

[dariafan]

2 hours ago, Lastwaltz said:

Me, too, only throw in DOOL and Real Housewives, lol. 

I’m here , the Duggars and the Dallas cowboys cheerleaders 

[Lastwaltz]

@dariafan -- LOL! I watched the post-19 and Counting show with adult Duggars with my daughter every day when her newborn was just home. Snarking and comforting the baby at the same time.😅

And I forgot to add Dance Moms (hangs head). 

Edited September 23, 2019 by Lastwaltz
confessed to another lame show

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

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Could it be that Andrew is a decent guy with integrity rather than the family leeches we have grown accustomed to???

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As The Ashley told you earlier this month, MTV attempted to get Andrew to film— but he has declined so far. (Whether or not he will change his mind and film is obviously unknown, but at this time, he has not filmed at all and has turned down their offer so far.)

It sounds like it. He's turning down money and camera time here to do what he thinks is best for his son.  That's....unusual for TM cast members.

Edited September 23, 2019 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[dariafan]

1 minute ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

I think he wants to get his son away from her  as much crap as he may deserve, I applaud him for that.  

[kicksave]

On 9/19/2019 at 12:10 PM, teapot said:

she's such a mean girl "ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww, you freak."

(I agree about the jail time for Amber, I just really, really really fucking hate Farrah)

Meanwhile...Farrah recently recorded a video calling Sophia manipulative and said she wasn't going to put up with her manipulations. Wow...and then she posted a picture of the two of them in front of the Eiffel Tower in Paris...Farrah was in a skimpy bikini and Sophia was in a two piece suit. Farrah, who is raising her daughter in a very adult environment full of sexualization and dysfunction has no right to judge any other mother on this show. She's just awful.

2 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

It sounds like it. He's turning down money and camera time here to do what he thinks is best for his son.  That's....unusual for TM cast members.

If MTV is still filming both Amber and Jenelle then that tells us everything about them.

[4Sibes Redux]

5 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

He's turning down money and camera time here to do what he thinks is best for his son. 

How suspicious! Someone should alert the authorities? We can’t let one of the TM offspring escape to normality!

Edited September 23, 2019 by 4Sibes Redux

[FairyDusted]

Shouldn't she be in court sometime soon? No way am I watching her. MTV can kick rocks! I blocked it on my DTV and had to unblock for my husband to watch some crazy video show. I love him more than I hate Amber. 

[druzy]

The court received correspondence from a third party today.  It doesn't say who the third party is but it will be addressed at the 10/10/19 pretrial conference (attorneys only).

Edited September 23, 2019 by druzy

[FairyDusted]

4 minutes ago, druzy said:

The court received correspondence from a third party today.  It doesn't say who the third party is but it will be addressed at the 10/10/19 pretrial conference (attorneys only).

Thank you @druzy! Gah! Not soon enough. And she doesn’t have to appear yet. She will...that’s coverage I will watch!

[SheTalksShit]

I’m watching amber and Matt on marriage boot camp (old episodes, I know, but i hasn’t seen it until now) and I can’t with Amber. She acts like Matt is the only guy she’s ever gotten crazy with, like we all didn’t see her punch Gary and verbally abuse him on national TV. 

Matt may very well be a con man and a user and apparently, he’s hit Amber before (which he should never do, there’s no excuse for that), but she is no saint, either and that’s how she’s acting. 

Gary is not a con man and not a woman abuser and she did the same shit to him! 

IDK anything about the next guy she was/is with (are they still together?) bc I haven’t seen the recent episodes, but I heard she hit him, too! 

But she acts like she’s never wrong and always the victim. 

Edited September 23, 2019 by SheTalksShit

[toodywoody]

Anyone else see this?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/entertainment/teen-mom-star-amber-portwoods-202918303.html

[SheTalksShit]

1 hour ago, toodywoody said:

Anyone else see this?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/entertainment/teen-mom-star-amber-portwoods-202918303.html

No, I didn’t see that. But it seems to me that Amber keeps repeating the same pattern with every guy she’s with. 

And on marriage boot camp, I’m losing even more respect for her, bc she clearly thinks she’s never wrong. All of her craziness is always somebody else’s fault. Everything sets her off and it’s everyone else’s fault. So, if she thinks she’s never wrong, she’ll never change bc she’ll never try to work on her behavior. 

It also seems like she can’t be alone. Apparently, she met Andrew on Marriage Boot Camp, so I guess he was one of the producers or worked on the tech crew somehow? Idk. All’s I know is she moved on awfully fast once met left marriage boot camp early. 

[toodywoody]

I think she got pregnant to piss Matt off and wanted to rub her new relationship in his face.

And I agree and have said it for years about her never owning up to her shit, blaming everyone else and never thinking she is wrong. I hate when she gets that squished up face and starts throwing her hands and shit around when she is pissed. She gets all pissed and says she's a bad ass bitch. When all we have seen is her hitting on dudes. I wish one day she would meet someone who pops her right in her mouth when she starts her nonsense. 

[druzy]

[SheTalksShit]

1 hour ago, toodywoody said:

I think she got pregnant to piss Matt off and wanted to rub her new relationship in his face.

And I agree and have said it for years about her never owning up to her shit, blaming everyone else and never thinking she is wrong. I hate when she gets that squished up face and starts throwing her hands and shit around when she is pissed. She gets all pissed and says she's a bad ass bitch. When all we have seen is her hitting on dudes. I wish one day she would meet someone who pops her right in her mouth when she starts her nonsense. 

Yea it’s weird, she acts all thug-like and comes at her men hard when she’s angry. I’ve never seen anything quite like it. I’ve seen and known people who are verbally abusive and/or treat their significant other like shit, I’ve seen people who are toxic and emotionally abusive and screaming in their significant other’s face, but I’ve never seen anyone who consistently acts as threatening and name-calling as she does when she’s angry with her man. Amber is as bad as it gets. 

Matt Baier gave an interview with the same lady who leaked all the audio and he said she used to be the same way with him. 

What I don’t get is how they keep saying that she’s image-conscious and behaves nicely in front of the camera. That’s not what I’ve seen. I haven’t watched the episodes with Andrew in them yet, but I remember watching her scream and get in Matt’s face a lot at the end. 

We also saw how she got kinda crazy with Farrah (though not nearly as crazy as she gets with her men, another poster was right, she doesn’t get in women’s face quite the same way). 

If she were a man, I believe she’d be scary as fuck. 

[druzy]

2 minutes ago, SheTalksShit said:

Yea it’s weird, she acts all thug-like and comes at her men hard when she’s angry. I’ve never seen anything quite like it. I’ve seen and known people who are verbally abusive and/or treat their significant other like shit, I’ve seen people who are toxic and emotionally abusive and screaming in their significant other’s face, but I’ve never seen anyone who consistently acts as threatening and name-calling as she does when she’s angry with her man. Amber is as bad as it gets. 

Matt Baier gave an interview with the same lady who leaked all the audio and he said she used to be the same way with him. 

What I don’t get is how they keep saying that she’s image-conscious and behaves nicely in front of the camera. That’s not what I’ve seen. I haven’t watched the episodes with Andrew in them yet, but I remember watching her scream and get in Matt’s face a lot at the end. 

We also saw how she got kinda crazy with Farrah (though not nearly as crazy as she gets with her men, another poster was right, she doesn’t get in women’s face quite the same way). 

If she were a man, I believe she’d be scary as fuck. 

She needs her ass kicked. 

[SheTalksShit]

11 minutes ago, druzy said:

She needs her ass kicked. 

I don’t quite understand MTV’s standards. Farrah gets fired for doing porn (even though porn is a perfectly legal job and doesn’t hurt or affect anyone other than Farrah), David gets fired for tweeting his offensive opinions about the LGBT community, Jenelle then gets fired for sticking by her man after claiming he killed the dog (which is her decision), but Amber gets to threaten and hit her men MULTIPLE TIMES ON LEAKED AUDIO AND ON VIDEO and she gets to keep her job?? 

I can totally see why both Jenelle and Farrah would be pissed off. It’s a complete double standard and a completely unfair one, IMO. 

If they want to keep Amber, then they should let Farrah and Jenelle come back, too, because what they’ve done is far less disturbing than what Amber’s done. 

I stopped watching the show a couple years ago because I don’t agree with the double standards they seem to have with the cast members. It turned me off. 

Edited September 24, 2019 by SheTalksShit

[SheTalksShit]

5 hours ago, druzy said:

We get it, Shawn, you think Andrew used and betrayed her. Maybe he did. Maybe Matt used her, too. But you know what? Amber makes it so that these guys have no income (Matt and Andrew both said she made them give her their paycheck and justified it by saying they wouldn’t have a job or that money if it weren’t for her) and nowhere to go if they leave, they’ll basically have to start over and she always threatens to ruin them and their reputation, so the money and the fear of her ruining them and them having to completely start over is what makes them stay. Andrew was smart, he realized you gotta be sneaky and crafty about leaving her, so he recorded her several times over the last year and held onto the recordings, then called the cops on her one night when it really got out of hand and then got a TPO and custody battle, so he’s covered his bases and found a way out without her ruining him and his reputation. 

Is he a user? Probably. But Amber makes it so that these guys depend on her for everything and so, even if they want out, they feel trapped into staying because they depend on her and/or fear her ruining their reputation. Amber sets herself up for this kind of using and betrayal. 

We all thought Matt was this super manipulative guy, but Andrew has proven himself to be far more cunning and calculating and sorry, but I think Amber brought this shit on herself. I hope she learns something from what has happened with Andrew. (But she probably won’t). Everything you do in the dark can come to light.

Edited September 24, 2019 by SheTalksShit

[lidarose9]

I am pretty sure Amber is not capable of learning from her mistakes.

I had two strong reactions to those audio clips:

1. Someone who talks like this heard it growing up, normalized it, and integrated it into their programming. That is truly sad.

2. Someone who talks like this should never be around a child. No child should ever have to hear anybody talk like that, ever. To allow a child to be exposed to talk like that is abusive.

[SheTalksShit]

3 hours ago, lidarose9 said:

I am pretty sure Amber is not capable of learning from her mistakes.

I had two strong reactions to those audio clips:

1. Someone who talks like this heard it growing up, normalized it, and integrated it into their programming. That is truly sad.

2. Someone who talks like this should never be around a child. No child should ever have to hear anybody talk like that, ever. To allow a child to be exposed to talk like that is abusive.

yep! on marriage boot camp, it was mentioned that tonya (amber's mother) used to talk like that to amber's father, so it's what she grew up around, it's a learned behavior. Matt told Without A Crystal Ball the same thing, that this is how Amber grew up, it's a learned behavior. You're right, I guess she has "normalized it" because it WAS normal in her family and how she grew up, so it's all she's ever known. and her mother did it in front of her and that's how amber learned it. just like amber has no problem doing it in front of her kids. 

[ginger90]

So, the court date coming up is for the July “incident “.

I’m curious what’s going on as far as James is concerned. There has to be something. DCS doesn’t just drop out of such a thing. Does Amber see  James, is she ordered to take parenting classes, has there been a recent hearing??? Has the case been found to be substantiated, or unsubstantiated?

[druzy]

1 minute ago, ginger90 said:

So, the court date coming up is for the July “incident “.

I’m curious what’s going on as far as James is concerned. There has to be something. DCS doesn’t just drop out of such a thing. Does Amber see  James, is she ordered to take parenting classes, has there been a recent hearing??? Has the case been found to be substantiated, or unsubstantiated?

A couple of weeks ago, Amber filed a motion in opposition to Andrews motion to relocate. It hasn't been decided yet. The custody case is still open. The No Contact Order in the criminal case was terminated on 7/25/19. I think Amber has supervised visitation.

[blubld43]

11 minutes ago, druzy said:

A couple of weeks ago, Amber filed a motion in opposition to Andrews motion to relocate. It hasn't been decided yet. The custody case is still open. The No Contact Order in the criminal case was terminated on 7/25/19. I think Amber has supervised visitation.

I've read as well that she has supervised visitation with him. And that's ALL she should ever have! I wonder what Gary and Kristina are doing about her visitation with Leah? Lord knows they must be worried sick if Amber gets her.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

2 hours ago, blubld43 said:

I've read as well that she has supervised visitation with him. And that's ALL she should ever have! I wonder what Gary and Kristina are doing about her visitation with Leah? Lord knows they must be worried sick if Amber gets her.

I think Amber generally only exercises her visitation of Leah when she's filming, so it's probably not an issue. Leah may be seeing Amber every so often if Gary & Kristina invite her to come on an outing with them or for mani-pedis with Kristina and the girls.  They may bring Leah to visit her mom briefly (not drop her off, but just go visit with her)....but I suspect Amber isn't really pushing to exercise her visitation.  She never has.  She's gone months without seeing Leah in the past (not counting gel time) because she was depressed or whatever. 

Edited September 24, 2019 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[toodywoody]

7 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

yep! on marriage boot camp, it was mentioned that tonya (amber's mother) used to talk like that to amber's father, so it's what she grew up around, it's a learned behavior. Matt told Without A Crystal Ball the same thing, that this is how Amber grew up, it's a learned behavior. You're right, I guess she has "normalized it" because it WAS normal in her family and how she grew up, so it's all she's ever known. and her mother did it in front of her and that's how amber learned it. just like amber has no problem doing it in front of her kids. 

Yes it might have been her normal, but she is old enough to know right from wrong and turns it off and on for the cameras, so she knows when to make herself look good. And her blaming it on her illness/disease is bs.

[ghoulina]

13 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

I don’t quite understand MTV’s standards. Farrah gets fired for doing porn (even though porn is a perfectly legal job and doesn’t hurt or affect anyone other than Farrah), David gets fired for tweeting his offensive opinions about the LGBT community, Jenelle then gets fired for sticking by her man after claiming he killed the dog (which is her decision), but Amber gets to threaten and hit her men MULTIPLE TIMES ON LEAKED AUDIO AND ON VIDEO and she gets to keep her job?? 

I can totally see why both Jenelle and Farrah would be pissed off. It’s a complete double standard and a completely unfair one, IMO. 

Let's remember, though, that with David and Jenelle, it didn't happen instantaneously. It took weeks of people tweeting and boycotting and sending emails, etc. before they finally did anything. MTV has no morals; they will hold on to a cash cow as long as possible. Drama brings the bucks. 

Also, I don't think Farrah was fired because of the porn. I think part of it was that she was incredibly difficult to work with. I don't give a fuck about the people at MTV, but Farrah talks to everyone like they're trash beneath her feet. Also, I do think there were some contractual disputes with her taking other TV jobs? 

I think her cast mates got all holier-than-thou about the porn and that gave MTV a shield to hide behind, when THEY had likely wanted her gone for a long time. 

[geauxaway]

I completely agree with you @ghoulina regarding Farrah, but then you would think they’d want to be done with Amber as well.  I can’t imagine she is fun to be around or work with.  Not to mention how nasty her house must be!   Speaking of.....what ever happened with all her dogs?  She had a ton of them when Matt was there.

[Lastwaltz]

14 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

but then you would think they’d want to be done with Amber as well.  I can’t imagine she is fun to be around or work with.

They're probably all afraid of her, too. 

[kicksave]

15 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

I don’t quite understand MTV’s standards. Farrah gets fired for doing porn (even though porn is a perfectly legal job and doesn’t hurt or affect anyone other than Farrah), David gets fired for tweeting his offensive opinions about the LGBT community, Jenelle then gets fired for sticking by her man after claiming he killed the dog (which is her decision), but Amber gets to threaten and hit her men MULTIPLE TIMES ON LEAKED AUDIO AND ON VIDEO and she gets to keep her job?? 

I can totally see why both Jenelle and Farrah would be pissed off. It’s a complete double standard and a completely unfair one, IMO. 

If they want to keep Amber, then they should let Farrah and Jenelle come back, too, because what they’ve done is far less disturbing than what Amber’s done. 

I stopped watching the show a couple years ago because I don’t agree with the double standards they seem to have with the cast members. It turned me off. 

In actuality, Farrah was let go for other things as well as her involvement in the porn industry. Her treatment of the production crew and other staffers was abominable and anyone else in a bonafide job would be let go for that. Her business dealings in the porn industry  was not something that MTV wanted to be associated with. They have that prerogative since they own the show.

David was let go for his horrible and offensive comments on social media that denigrated LGBTQ people. This combined with his aggressive behavior on set and threats to the production crew sealed his fate. Jenelle should have been fired a few seasons ago when she was using. 

Ultimately, MTV probably should have future cast members sign a morality clause. If they break it then they are automatically fired. That clause could include a ban on social media posts that are racist and homophobic, behaviors that endanger children or partners or a ban on using illicit drugs. 

Amber should not be rewarded with a continuation of a contract that involves a six figure salary. 

[heatherchandler]

1 hour ago, kicksave said:

Ultimately, MTV probably should have future cast members sign a morality clause. If they break it then they are automatically fired. That clause could include a ban on social media posts that are racist and homophobic, behaviors that endanger children or partners or a ban on using illicit drugs. 

The problem with that is... MTV doesn't give a F about morality!  They prefer to have depraved assholes!  It gets ratings. 

[blubld43]

1 hour ago, kicksave said:

Ultimately, MTV probably should have future cast members sign a morality clause. If they break it then they are automatically fired. That clause could include a ban on social media posts that are racist and homophobic, behaviors that endanger children or partners or a ban on using illicit drugs. 

Amber should not be rewarded with a continuation of a contract that involves a six figure salary. 

No, she shouldn't. She abused her baby! Not just the yelling, the denigrating of his father, saying he was unwanted, she pushed that baby down. Threw him on the bed, exactly like Jenelle used to chuck Kaiser in his crib and leave him to cry alone. Amber physically abused a baby.

It's disgusting that MTV is filming her for next season and I won't watch. I'll be tweeting the advertisers too.

[Jeanne222]

4 hours ago, kicksave said:

Ultimately, MTV probably should have future cast members sign a morality clause. If they break it then they are automatically fired. That clause could include a ban on social media posts that are racist and homophobic, behaviors that endanger children or partners or a ban on using illicit drugs. 

Amber should not be rewarded with a continuation of a contract that involves a six figure salary. 

lol I thought you were going to say if they break it they are automatically HIRED!!   😎

Edited September 25, 2019 by Jeanne222

[druzy]

I don't know what this is about but a bond form was filed yesterday

[druzy]

Court Documents Obtained by Hollywood Life

Edited September 27, 2019 by druzy

[druzy]

Interview with Andrew

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“I honestly feel like there is nothing to even left to talk about. For a while I felt like a fool for thinking I could make that girl happy, get her healthy, and show her happiness in the simple beautiful things of life by having a family together. Really let the world see she could be a great mom. I just didn’t know the back story and once I heard it, I denied it because everyone deserves a second chance,” Andrew explains to us EXCLUSIVELY.  As for that back story, as seen on Teen Mom OG, Amber was violent towards ex Gary Shirley. In Nov. of 2010 she was charged with three counts of domestic violence, two of them felonies, for separate physical attacks on Gary that MTV had aired.

“People tried to warn me early on, but I just didn’t see the girl they were describing at the moment. I really wanted to make something truly great with her, but there just wasn’t enough self-care on her part. I sincerely hope she can curb her ego & aggression, remind the world people are flawed, forgive herself for what she’s done in the past, release the baggage, and step into the new life that waits for her…and hold tight to it. I had to remove myself and especially James from the situation. We’re always going to be on the sidelines hoping she heals her own beautiful soul,” he continues.

The world got a glimpse of what Andrew seemingly went through in three separate audiotapes released by Katie Joy of the YouTube site Without a Crystal Ball. In an audiotape allegedly of the fight leading to Amber’s July 5 arrest, a woman is heard yelling at a man, “you f**king fat piece of s**t, I’m going to f**king stab you.” He tries to calm her at one point, telling her, “Babe I love you more than life itself” and she tells him, “You’re a little f**king p**sy” in return.

Another audio tape seemingly came in the aftermath of a fight where Amber allegedly punched Andrew and gave him a bloody nose at her daughter Leah’s elementary school. Before playing the tape, Katie explained that Andrew secretly recorded the audio in the because “he couldn’t believe what happened to him and wasn’t sure anyone else would believe him given Amber’s fame.”

At one point a woman is heard saying “I’ll f**king kill you, dude! I swear to f**king God! I swear to God!” and muffling noises are heard before the man says, “You just hit me. You just f**king hit me!” while she replies “You deserved it – and then some!” “No I didn’t, I didn’t deserve that,” he responds. “Watch your motherf**king mouth when you’re speaking to me!” she screams, while he repeats “I didn’t deserve that.” “You did! In my head, you did! Because you’re a piece of s**t!” the woman fires back. She later admits she “beat the f**k” out of ex Gary because he had a “fat f**king mouth.”

“We were a family once, but her healing is a road that must be boldly walked alone, and I know it will fork and cross paths to new destinations and with new lovely people down the line. I just hope this really saves her life, because I saw someone dying inside and it made me die inside… and I’ve never been more scared in my life,” he recalls.

Edited September 27, 2019 by druzy

[Lastwaltz]

Wow. Poor Andrew, it sounds every bit the nightmare I imagined. I hope he has some good people around him now. 

[dariafan]

She needs serious treatment. Not a child psych. Not dr sad panda.   To answer in my head you did ....