S10.E20: Reunion Part 1

[SuprSuprElevated]

2 hours ago, vetiver said:

Is this how this reunion is going to? The women will air their grievances with Beth and the audience will go "they're ganging up on Beth. Poor Beth". Carole will end up looking like the villain in their eyes even though Beth is the main culprit in the demise of their friendship. They've should've kept it more cool.

Yeah, for those who rely on the "but it was the edit" excuse...will anyone acknowledge that this reunion is heavily edited?

[suzeecat]

What I came away with after watching:  This is a group of beautiful women, coming together in beautiful clothing, in a beautiful setting, and sitting down to vomit the most vile, disgusting crap on each other while trying to avoid any of it getting on themselves.  Sheesh.

[Mozelle]

1 hour ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I have LONG believed her Dad's connections helped with Beam.  Louis Lazzinnaro was the guy at the track. He was one of Bobby  Frankel's closest confidants and was at his bedside when he was dying, LL is hooked up in Saratoga and in the racing world, and one of Bobby Frankel's prominent (horse) owners. He was described in an early article as like a sibling to Bethenny also. Bethenny had his wife on her talk show on an entrepreneur segment promoting her cheesecakes. I always felt she was passing off this lady as a stranger, lady bountiful helping a fellow woman entrepreneur. BS she was the wife of someone who was like a sibling to Bethenny. Fake fake fake.  Bethenny can talk all she wants about making it on her own. She didn't. Ramona was right to point out at reunion how her wealthy father paid for college and cars. Bethenny said NOTHING when Ramona accused her of that. Very telling. It was her best way out. 

So, there's not a moment (outside of the one I'm about to talk about) where I've liked Omarosa or what she's said, but I will forever say that she was like a broken clock being right twice a day when she intimated on Bethenny's own show that Bethenny was mediocre and still got rewarded with things. Bethenny's rewards were using her family connections to make more connections, which flies in the face of the lone wolf narrative she peddled for years. 

Omarosa during that visit also said that Bethenny's happiness and joy would open up the moment she accepted her own truth lol. Well...

[SuprSuprElevated]

2 hours ago, DrSparkles said:

She needs to get a referral from Ramoaner's dr bc nutty as R is, her face & skin look pretty damn good.

The only positive feedback I'm ever willing to give Ramona is about her look.  Except for the tummy that she refuses to acknowledge, she looks terrific.  I really think that Bethenny looks haggard and drawn this season.  Perhaps Dennis' issues were wearing on her, or maybe it's the poison in her soul trying to escape through her pores, but she looks rough.

[RedDelicious]

Just now, SuprSuprElevated said:

The only positive feedback I'm ever willing to give Ramona is about her look.  Except for the tummy that she refuses to acknowledge, she looks terrific.  I really think that Bethenny looks haggard and drawn this season.  Perhaps Dennis' issues were wearing on her, or maybe it's the poison in her soul trying to escape through her pores, but she looks rough.

Omg her back in the "wow, wow" after party scene at the bar with Bethenny.  She looks fantastic, no crepey skin and no folds at all. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

2 hours ago, Bossa Nova said:

Wow, film noire. 1000 X upvoting. BEST explanation of Bethenny.

I am familiar with the the traits of NPD, gaslighting, manipulation, domination, narcisisstic abuse cycle in relationships, etc. But you have the best visceral explanation of much that I have read anywhere.

I want to save your post and share it with a friend.

Describes someone else in the public domain to a "T". ;)

 

Whole lotta letters in the political alphabet that could be summed up this way.  A's 'n B's 'n C's.

Edited August 23, 2018 by SuprSuprElevated

[thesupremediva1]

13 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Sonja shouldn't disparage like that~~when she made that comment, I was thinking "Well, better a "rent-a-crowd" than "rent-a-boytoy" or "rent-an-intern".

Sonja isn't ride or die like Ramona. Maybe she used to be, before the divorce and the judgments, etc. But Sonja now has to worry about making a buck in a way Ramona, perhaps, does not. And you can see that Sonja resents the financial freedom of Dorinda and Ramona. I think Sonja still remembers B's struggles from when she first met her, before the Beam deal, and clings to that memory when she goes to bat for her.

Sonja is a Benedict Arnold out of necessity. It's been proven, over and over again, that if you go at B with any credible ammo, you don't survive the season. Sonja already had the Tipsy Girl fiasco and begged to get back in B's good graces, even though what she did in no way warranted the horrifying verbal beating Bethenny gave her. Sonja was more than willing to prostrate herself for the paycheck. So despite the fact that it makes her a doormat and a hypocrite, she is defending B and having a go at Ramona. Quite gross, considering the "prison bitch" comment she made this season about Ramona. But whatever. You do what you must to feed yourself.

[esco1822]

1 hour ago, mwell345 said:

(Interesting tidbit in the article is that Bethenny sent Skinny Girl wine to the Shiva.  Of course she did.)

Because what i'm really worried about when mourning my loved one is all the calories in traditional wine. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I have LONG believed her Dad's connections helped with Beam.

It's always easier having a ladder to get to the roof.

[KungFuBunny]

15 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

Everybody came out pissed.  

Whats with all the light lipstick?  Everyone looks ghostly.

Carole’s mouth is getting lower and lower, and bigger for some reason.  Fugly.

She needs vaginal rejuvenation - from head to toe.

Way too flappy for the public eye

[TV Diva Queen]

2 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I have LONG believed her Dad's connections helped with Beam.  Louis Lazzinnaro was the guy at the track. He was one of Bobby  Frankel's closest confidants and was at his bedside when he was dying, LL is hooked up in Saratoga and in the racing world, and one of Bobby Frankel's prominent (horse) owners. He was described in an early article as like a sibling to Bethenny also. Bethenny had his wife on her talk show on an entrepreneur segment promoting her cheesecakes. I always felt she was passing off this lady as a stranger, lady bountiful helping a fellow woman entrepreneur. BS she was the wife of someone who was like a sibling to Bethenny. Fake fake fake.  Bethenny can talk all she wants about making it on her own. She didn't. Ramona was right to point out at reunion how her wealthy father paid for college and cars. Bethenny said NOTHING when Ramona accused her of that. Very telling. It was her best way out. 

even if someone did help her get her foot in the door, Jim Beam is NOT going to invest $125MM because she knew someone.  There's nothing wrong with a professional introduction.....

[Keywestclubkid]

6 minutes ago, TV Diva Queen said:

even if someone did help her get her foot in the door, Jim Beam is NOT going to invest $125MM because she knew someone.  There's nothing wrong with a professional introduction.....

but shes acting like some smo on the street that did it ALL on her own with no hand outs or help like she was some poor hick girl from Idaho fresh off the boat and built this brand when thats not the case at all 

[Guest]

Bethenny reminds me of Joan Rivers with dark hair.

[ShawnaLanne]

48 minutes ago, Sharonana said:

No one knows for sure if Carole quit or was fired. Unless we hear it directly from Carole's lips, it's all speculation.

I wouldn't believe it from her either way. She's shown she has a light grasp of facts in her personal life. I'd believe it out of Bravo alone.

[SunnyBeBe]

Well the ladies were dolled up last night. For the most part they looked quite lovely.  I really loved that dress that Dorinda had on....but, I just wonder how things are in these ladies' souls.  With all the insults, perceived slights, and bickering, can it really be a worthwhile job? And then you have to watch your back for Andy too!  Not a good environment. 

I can see how Sonja really needs the money.

Ditto for Luann.

Ditto for Ramona.

I could see how Carole needs the income, but, she doesn't really have much say in it. Maybe, she really did decide that nothing is worth dealing with that duck fest.( I agree. but, you gotta pay the rent.)

Tinsley, I'm not sure if she is really in need of money. Maybe. More than likely she's bored.

Dorinda doesn't seem to need the money.....or the embarrassment.  What's in this for her?

Bethenny doesn't need the money and I would think that this show is helpful in using evidence against her in court for custody.  OH, HAS ANY HOUSEWIFE SAID THAT BETHENNY WAS A GOOD MOTHER THIS SEASON? I thought that was in their contracts and that all RHs had to say it or else.  But, apparently, she has a need to be a B and be on this show.  Sort of her thang so to speak. 

[RedheadZombie]

3 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

It’s interesting to me that Andy has so many famous friends, like Kelly Ripa, who is an actual NY housewife. Yet he can’t get any of them to sign up for this show. Mind you there’d be excuses galore. Kelly would say filming schedules and other commitments but I think the truth lies in the fact that they all know how Andy manipulates things and realize that this could make or break their career. That he controls the narrative of their edit. Andy...I want a new cast member who IS somebody. Someone with an interesting life who can bring back some of the things that I am missing, like house and food porn. Someone to give Frankel a run for her money. 

The only person capable of taking on Beth, IMO, is Lisa Vanderpump.  I can't see either of them switching coasts. 

3 hours ago, artisto said:

I agree

The look on Andy's face when her phone rang was priceless

To me...Bethenny has always been intriguing..so many layers...so little time.

I can't believe that the housewives (after all this time) still attack Andy's favorite.

Most of the franchise(s) have a favorite...they are all still there.

 

I stopped watching a few minutes in.

Samey same

Andy's look was excessively nasty.  Compare it to how he reacted when Teresa went mad ape and bodily threw him into his chair.  

[Neeners]

55 minutes ago, Sharonana said:

No one knows for sure if Carole quit or was fired. Unless we hear it directly from Carole's lips, it's all speculation.

And even then...

[Starlight925]

8 hours ago, film noire said:

I think she's plenty sane, but almost everybody who tries to get close to Bethenny ends up crazy.

I'm not saying that to be incendiary; it's just what narcs do. Drive people mad, and then drive them away. Up is down and down is sideways and I never called you a bad businesswoman and they're always right and you're always wrong, even when you prove them 100 percent wrong with real world evidence  (wanna get a judge in here?)  they deny it and sob and cry and interrupt you and deflect your points and talk and talk and talk and never say anything  meaningful -- only barbs and bullshit and bloviating -- and the insults flow and they call them quips and their bitterness rains down like battery acid, even as they say I love you but when push comes to shove, they will filet you like a fish if you threaten their self image, if you dare to breathe  a word of anything but praise, dare to say wait, but that's not how it went down and once that happens their only goal is to shame and demean you so they can feel good about themselves;  about their up is down & down is sideways selves.

There is no sane response to that other than to walk away.

So brava to Carole -- someone I never liked, and outright loathed over her treatment of Jules -- for being the only one in Frankel's orbit to figure that out, the only one to walk away, and in the leaving, remain sane.  

1000 times "like".

I had a relationship with a narc, and my mother is one, so yeah, this is IT.

Re:  Bethenny's treatment of Kelly:  I recently watched all the earlier seasons from the start, and Bethenny had it in for Kelly before Kelly made her first appearance on the show.  Bethenny liked to paint Kelly as "Crazy Kelly", but in reality, Kelly just didn't know how to fight Bethenny.

B was pissed off because apparently, she had met Kelly several years prior, at a party, and Kelly didn't remember meeting B., but Kelly remembered the guy B was with.  That incensed B, so when Kelly was to be brought on as a HW, Bethenny kept saying over and over that she couldn't believe Kelly didn't remember her.

One of Kelly's first scenes was that she invited B to a fashion show, to sit on the front row with her.  Kelly is trying to make polite conversation, and B gives her one-word answers, and B won't even look at her, while she is sitting next to her.

All because Kelly dared to not remember having met B.

Then comes Scary Island, where B systematically rips Kelly to shreds, knowing full well that Kelly doesn't have the verbal barb-tactics that someone like Carol has, so Kelly is left to stammer, looking "crazy".

And that, my friends, is how it's done, narc-wise.

[TV Diva Queen]

8 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

but shes acting like some smo on the street that did it ALL on her own with no hand outs or help like she was some poor hick girl from Idaho fresh off the boat and built this brand when thats not the case at all 

I respectfully disagree. :)   She worked her ass off to get there.  

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, TV Diva Queen said:

I respectfully disagree. :)   She worked her ass off to get there.  

The way she portrays herself is that she had no hand outs or hand ups she was just a plucky girl with 5cents and a dream who had no connections what so ever (which is a lie) I'm not saying she didn't work her ass off but she actually got a big leg up in this endeavor coming from money herself and having her connections from her father and rich friends .....

[Coffeewinewater]

1 hour ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

That is so staged and cold.

I think it's weird with an ensemble cast that the cameras were there for one cast member only. Have they done that before?  I can see Bethenny totally gloating, "they're here just for me".

I dont think it's weird.  I can totally see Andy and producers wanting it to be the Jill/Bethany Reunion.  Having the other women there  takes away from it, at least to the producers and Andy.  

I find it weird that Jill is still so desperate to be friends with Bethany.  It's been forever and you would think  saying goodbye to Bobby would trump reconnecting with Bethany. 

I'm beyond confused by Tinsley and Scott's relationship.  Is she that into him? Is he over her but can't quit the ads with her and houswives?  He sees other women while they are on a break , but she doesn't date other men?  I don't get it. 

Ramona was on the phone with Mario?  They were laughing ,even Andy got in on the conversation, are they good now? When did this happen? 

Edited August 23, 2018 by Coffeewinewater

[RHJunkie]

45 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

So, there's not a moment (outside of the one I'm about to talk about) where I've liked Omarosa or what she's said, but I will forever say that she was like a broken clock being right twice a day when she intimated on Bethenny's own show that Bethenny was mediocre and still got rewarded with things. Bethenny's rewards were using her family connections to make more connections, which flies in the face of the lone wolf narrative she peddled for years. 

Omarosa during that visit also said that Bethenny's happiness and joy would open up the moment she accepted her own truth lol. Well...

I don't think the lone wolf narrative is a contradiction unless we think that anyone who is considered self-made is someone who literally did everything by themselves (and there's a lot of people who call themselves self-made and are recognized as being self-made). If there's a single person out there that has accredited massive success and done so off the back of creating an idea, building their own prototype and working a normal job saving up every single penny they needed to build a company and promote that company without the help of networking or any investors, I'd like to know who they are because are a rare breed of person that deserves acknowledgement. Everyone needs connections and to network to find the level of success that someone like Bethenny has. I would be surprised if Joe Blow down the street couldn't think of a single instance where knowing someone or being put in touch with someone didn't help them in some way or another in their life. It's simply the way of the world.

If her success was mostly predicated on the networks she made via her family and close social circles, she would have been rich and successful far younger in life. It took her finding a product that needed nurturing, promotion and one that resonated with the average consumer for her to find what she has now. Having those connections doesn't mean that she didn't have to work for her opportunities...again, if daddy's contacts was enough, people would have thrown money at her long before they actually did. The insinuation that she's more of a product of her connections and privilege does the exact opposite of Bethenny's claim by completely discrediting what she was able to build. Her connections didn't save her from living in a shoebox apartment in Manhattan that cost $1200 a month. It didn't afford her the type of designer clothes, shoes and bags that she has now.  There was a hustle, drive and imagination on her part that played a big part in her success and I don't think anyone needs to like her as a person to be able to credit her with at least that.

Unless you're like a Steve Jobs or some kind of genius, you could probably find someone who would argue that some successful person is mediocre save for one thing that has made them successful because the truth is that for many entrepreneurs, success isn't about being a genius, it's about capitalizing on solutions to everyday problems that people think they're too busy to figure out for themselves. Being able to achieve that doesn't make you above mediocre, but it does still exhibit some qualities as an entrepreneur that I think is worth giving kudos to.

Edited August 23, 2018 by RHJunkie

[KungFuBunny]

14 hours ago, QuinnM said:

The look on Bethenny’s face when Andy asked Dorinda whether she thought she wasn’t drunk all the time.  It’s like she thought Andy was going to roll out a clip real.  And he may next week.  The last clip in the preview of Andy yelling at Carole, man he does not like her.

Now I was someone that read his book (listened to it while I walked) and he called Bethenny and Carole friends that he had to not invite to his annual Christmas party.  His party is a big deal, fascinating guest list, Carole he said was the hardest call because they had been friends since they both started in news.  But dammmnnnn, he does not like her right now.  I’m telling you this goes beyond this show.  She did or said something that got back to him.

 

14 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Maybe he USED to like Carole, but he's not liking her at this reunion.

 

14 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

I think Bravo was done with Carole

 

14 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

If you come for the B you better not miss

There's more to the backstory (Carole) she was fired.

 

14 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Well from the previews I guess we can see why Carole got fired ! Hahaha 

 

14 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

I don’t care if Carole was 1000% done or if Andy was 1000% done with her, I’m just glad she’s done.  She probably burned her bridges on the way out, though.  No “friend of” or WWHL appearances for her.

Had Carole quit it would have been during the filming of the season. Not waiting until the reunion filmed and going on WWHL multiple times.

She was fired. Bravo made her fulfill her contract and then showed her ass the door,

It would be a hoot if in a few years, Carole makes a cameo and her mention will be Carole - friend of Tinsley. However, I don't think this will happen - Carole has been banished for life from the RH franchise.

I love how Ramona and Dorinda showed support for Carole - by holding the door for her when she got the boot.

[Natalie68]

15 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Ramona's screeching. Those bitches strategized so much that all they are doing is making Bethenny look more sypathetic and themselves like mean girl bullies. Good job, brain trusts. I bet this was Carole's plan. She sucks at strategy.

I just wanted Carole to shut the fuck up and quit talking over B.  They never let her get her side of whatever story they were talking about out.  Dorinda is nasty AF.  No one ever should ask her help for anything because the payback is way too much and she will make you pay if she is not properly thanked.  Tinsley looked really uncomfortable with the pile on.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

31 minutes ago, artisto said:

It's always easier having a ladder to get to the roof.

Absolutely. If she didn't have parents and was an alleged orphan how did she had a dad to give her that ladder? Bethenny did NOT do it alone from nothing, from scratch like she claims.  

29 minutes ago, TV Diva Queen said:

even if someone did help her get her foot in the door, Jim Beam is NOT going to invest $125MM because she knew someone.  There's nothing wrong with a professional introduction.....

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a professional introduction. Bethenny did NOT do it alone from nothing, from scratch like she claims. 

[KungFuBunny]

15 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Do NOT ever ask Dorinda for a nutcracker or dress! Bitch be crazy! She will come for you!!!

 

 

 

Is Jill dating Tom?????????

The man who is currently dating Jill Zarin went on 4 dates with Ramona.

Season 11 - will Sonja say she and mystery man have been lovers for decades? Will Luann say she got to the front of the line with him? Yeesh!

[Coffeewinewater]

3 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

 

 

 

 

 

Had Carole quit it would have been during the filming of the season. Not waiting until the reunion filmed and going on WWHL multiple times.

She was fired. Bravo made her fulfill her contract and then showed her ass the door,

It would be a hoot if in a few years, Carole makes a cameo and her mention will be Carole - friend of Tinsley. However, I don't think this will happen - Carole has been banished for life from the RH franchise.

I love how Ramona and Dorinda showed support for Carole - by holding the door for her when she got the boot.

I don't know,  if Jill isn't banished  from the RH. I doubt Carole is.

[Keywestclubkid]

13 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

 

 

 

 

 

Had Carole quit it would have been during the filming of the season. Not waiting until the reunion filmed and going on WWHL multiple times.

 

Why would it have been during filming? it would have made more sense that she did quit after the season and the reunion after seeing what a shit show everything turned out and not wanting to be a part of that....but once again NO ONE QUITS bravo except Bethany so she had to have been fired.... And trust and believe bravo would have WANTED to keep the drama going next season without it both of them would have had no storyline at all so i again have to call shnanagins on the she was fired...

Edited August 23, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[Mozelle]

13 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

I don't think the lone wolf narrative is a contradiction unless we think that anyone who is considered self-made is someone who literally did everything by themselves (and there's a lot of people who call themselves self-made and are recognized as being self-made). If there's a single person out there that has accredited massive success and done so off the back of creating an idea, building their own prototype and working a normal job saving up every single penny they needed to build a company and promote that company without the help of networking or any investors, I'd like to know who they are because are a rare breed of person that deserves acknowledgement. Everyone needs connections and to network to find the level of success that someone like Bethenny has. I would be surprised if Joe Blow down the street couldn't think of a single instance where knowing someone or being put in touch with someone didn't help them in some way or another in their life. It's simply the way of the world.

If her success was mostly predicated on the networks she made via her family and close social circles, she would have been rich and successful far younger in life. It took her finding a product that needed nurturing, promotion and one that resonated with the average consumer for her to find what she has now. Having those connections doesn't mean that she didn't have to work for her opportunities...again, if daddy's contacts was enough, people would have thrown money at her long before they actually did. The insinuation that she's more of a product of her connections and privilege does the exact opposite of Bethenny's claim by completely discrediting what she was able to build. Her connections didn't save her from living in a shoebox apartment in Manhattan that cost $1200 a month. It didn't afford her the type of designer clothes, shoes and bags that she has now.  There was a hustle, drive and imagination on her part that played a big part in her success and I don't think anyone needs to like her as a person to be able to credit her with at least that.

Unless you're like a Steve Jobs or some kind of genius, you could probably find someone who would argue that some successful person is mediocre save for one thing that has made them successful because the truth is that for many entrepreneurs, success isn't about being a genius, it's about capitalizing on solutions to everyday problems that people think they're too busy to figure out for themselves. Being able to achieve that doesn't make you above mediocre, but it does still exhibit some qualities as an entrepreneur that I think is worth giving kudos to.

 

All of this is fine and well, but I think it's important to note that because of Bethenny's background and connections, she was also afforded the opportunity to "fail up," so to speak. It's akin to those money and finance features that Refinery 29 is so fond of doing--where a mid-20s girl talks about how she's making it in NYC on only $30,000 a year...until you find out that she's got people (with money) in her corner to act as a safety net. Yeah, Bethenny was living in a tiny apartment, but she also dated men with money who I'd guess supplemented things for her as well. 

I just think we (as a culture, collectively) are often so enamored with the "pulled up by my bootstrap" narrative that it gets over applied. Bethenny is one to whom that narrative has been over applied, if you ask me. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by Mozelle

[Natalie68]

15 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

One night doesn’t define people?  Really Slurinda?  How many nights have you been drunk?

By my count there has been 3 years of one nights.  She has risen to the level of never want to see her drunk effin face again territory with me.  I saw nothing redeemable in her last night.  

15 hours ago, QuinnM said:

How can Dorinda not think she is a drunk?  I would hope that if I sat and watched myself act like that that I would KNOW I was a drunk.  How do you not see yourself.  Man that is some magical denial.

The same magic that made her think that wig looked good on her.

[SuprSuprElevated]

9 minutes ago, Coffeewinewater said:

I find it weird that Jill is still so desperate to be friends with Bethany.  It's been forever and you would think  saying goodbye to Bobby would trump reconnecting with Bethany. 

I thought B's statement on this last night, something to the effect of "nothing's changed", speaks to her interest in reconnecting with Jill.  She also mentioned that they haven't actually spoken, but there have been texts between them.  Wanna bet who is initiating the texts?  lol  Jill came off as desperate at the end of her RHO tenure, and she is sort of coming off as desperate even now.  Her Instagram shows a lot of travel and some really great experiences, so I'm unable to understand why she needs the Bethenny connection so badly, or even the Bravo relationship.  I suppose the same could be said of most of the cast members on Bravo shows.  Save your damn paycheck, live how you were living preBravo, then leave them in the dust and live your life.

[RHJunkie]

2 minutes ago, Coffeewinewater said:

I dont think weird  I can totally see Andy and producers wanting it to be the Jill Bethany Reunion.  Having the other women there  takes away from it, at least to the producers and Andy.  

I find it weird that Jill is still so desperate to be friends with Bethany.  It's been forever and you would think  saying goodbye to Bobby would trump reconnecting with Bethany. 

I'm beyond confused by Tinsley and Scott's relationship.  Is she that into him? Is he over her but can't quit the ads with her and houswives?  He sees other women while they are on a break , but she doesn't date other men?  I don't get it. 

Ramona was on the phone with Mario?  They were laughing ,even Andy got in on the conversation, are they good now? When did this happen? 

I think Jill is obsessed with being friends with Bethenny again because she was the reason their friendship crumbled to pieces. I think she had a completely different idea of how things would have played out on that fateful season and it not only made Bethenny completely sour on her and essentially walk away from the friendship completely, but she became the season villain. I think Jill did what she did that season to create some drama on the show and she thought it would earn her some public favour. But don't get me wrong, even back then, I still thought that given their history, Bethenny could have at least tried to repair the friendship once Jill had realized the damage she had done and apologized.

I saw the camera moment between the two as something different (but given the circumstances, I'm willing to not think the absolute worst of both women and their intentions). I think that their friendship and the demise of that friendship has been something that has followed both of them. They still have people who constantly ask them about one another. It was a moment where Bethenny was open and I think truly felt for Jill and Bobby and I think the cameras there could have been a bit of a homage to Bobby as Jill said - after all they had been there, in the end, he was the reason they were able to have that moment. Again, this is premised on my personal belief that their friendship was always real and genuine until the show got in its way.

[Gem 10]

5 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

By my count there has been 3 years of one nights.  She has risen to the level of never want to see her drunk effin face again territory with me.  I saw nothing redeemable in her last night.  

The same magic that made her think that wig looked good on her.

What ???? She was the spitten image of Marilyn Monroe, LMAO.   She just cannot pull off sexy.

[Natalie68]

15 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

When Ramona was going on and on about her "30 friends" did ya catch Sonja muttering "rent-a-crowd" under her breath? I'm still laughing at that...

Whatever for Carole and her "DREAAMMM TEAAAMMM" plans - interjecting herself non stop in matters that had NOTHING to do with her... your dream team plans are failing pumpkin! I think Ramona is the weakest link on the team - when she and BF were having their moment near the end of their blow out (when Carole was interjecting and BF said "if we need you, we'll call" (paraphrased)) Ramona seemed to start softening on the "we hate BF fan club" plot... Dorinda best be careful - she'll be left carrying the key to that dream team clubhouse - membership of one... Tins, while allegedly part of the team, kept mum. She's Switzerland... she knows it's not her fight and stays out of it - good on her.

I still have this feeling that Ramona doesn't really hate B.  She hates that B gets more respect and opportunities and was willing to align herself with the others in their beef with B but I think its all about camera time for her.  There is something about the original recipe HW's that they can fight, say mean things to each other, and then brush it off and start over.  Maybe because they were never close close but work mates.  

[Mozelle]

3 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I thought B's statement on this last night, something to the effect of "nothing's changed", speaks to her interest in reconnecting with Jill.  She also mentioned that they haven't actually spoken, but there have been texts between them.  Wanna bet who is initiating the texts?  lol  Jill came off as desperate at the end of her RHO tenure, and she is sort of coming off as desperate even now.  Her Instagram shows a lot of travel and some really great experiences, so I'm unable to understand why she needs the Bethenny connection so badly, or even the Bravo relationship.  I suppose the same could be said of most of the cast members on Bravo shows.  Save your damn paycheck, live how you were living preBravo, then leave them in the dust and live your life.

There's something up with Jill. I think that she just really wants her name to be on everyone's lips and would love to be back on this franchise. She might see Bethenny as an end to those means. I also think there might be some wistfulness going on as her tenure with the franchise ended with not a lot of people (*raises hand to count herself among them*) ever wanting to see her on the show again. So, not only does Jill want back on the show, but it feels as though she wants to come back to "clear her name," so to speak since her last season ended so badly. (Really, if you think about it, her season three ended horribly as well, so she had back-to-back seasons where I think the audience largely was not feeling her.)

[Natalie68]

15 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

She was naked wasted in Mexico in the pool crying with Ramona(? someone) that felt awkward hugging naked Bethenny.

She was naked wasted in the Bezerkshires fighting over an elf onsie with Dorinda.

 

 

ETA: at least Doris doesn't get naked when she's drunk

Nah, she just stabs herself

[Rap541]

26 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Unless you're like a Steve Jobs or some kind of genius, you could probably find someone who would argue that some successful person is mediocre save for one thing that has made them successful because the truth is that for many entrepreneurs, success isn't about being a genius, it's about capitalizing on solutions to everyday problems that people think they're too busy to figure out for themselves. Being able to achieve that doesn't make you above mediocre, but it does still exhibit some qualities as an entrepreneur that I think is worth giving kudos to.

And Steve Jobs wasn't exactly against using others, see poor Woz

[Natalie68]

15 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

She says it right to their face. 

Exactly.  She doesn't hide from or excuse her words.  

[bagger]

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I call BS on this why just ask Beth to film when all the housewives were there? There is 100% chance they all were asked to film and didnt

Then knowing them they would have said they were asked and that they declined. 

 

Ramona’s many wars with Jill garnered 0 to no interest from the public and dorinda’s friendship has been mentioned in passing and left behind. 

 

The viewing audience has had an on going interest in the jill and bethenny pairing and Thats why she was the only housewife filmed with Jill.

[missyb]

14 hours ago, Sterling said:

Why did she need her phone there anyway?

Because thats where they store all the "evidence " !! Tweets, copies of documents, emails etc.

[KungFuBunny]

14 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

watched a little of the replay - forgot to mention when they discussed Bobby's funeral... Dorinda being all self-righteous about not wanting to be filmed at the funeral and yet she agreed, along with Ramona, to be filmed on the way to the funeral (or so as to appear that they were on the way to the funeral). Laughable. The hypocrisy... Dream Team should have been the Hypocrisy Team... Thirst is real.... I actually appreciated Andy corroborating that Bravo wanted to get it on film and that Jill wanted Bravo there (however we personally feel about cameras at such an event - Jill could have shut that down and she didn't. Period. Done.)

Ramona and Dorinda had lots of negative things to say about Bobby's funeral.

They didn't film the funeral - they filmed outside the funeral home.

I do wonder if part of the resentment comes from 1) not being asked to film by Bravo 2) putting their jobs in danger - if Jill comes back it is possible that Dorinda/Ramona could either lose their apple or be demoted to "friend of".

If Dorinda and Ramona are such good friends of Jill - then why didn't Jill tell them she invited Bravo to film?

Watch the clip of Dorinda - she slows down and pauses to pose for the cameras - guess she's morbid too

[Keywestclubkid]

11 minutes ago, bagger said:

Then knowing them they would have said they were asked and that they declined. 

 

 

then that makes it look even more shady of bravo and Beth esp knowing the way it went down that she waited in a car and saw her and the cameras and went to talk to her again JUST FOR THE SHOW not out of love for bobby or respect for them both but for the show .....

Edited August 23, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[Guest]

19 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

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[Natalie68]

14 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

That's what I was guessing, but I admit my head went to Dennis as well.

Yeah. But that was so clearly planned. She had that smug, see I can say what you say look. Not realizing it made her look so pathetic that she couldn't come up with her own rejoinder.

Mine did as well.  It may have been for Luann but I wonder would B be part of a Luann intervention?  They are work friends, not especially close.  It would make sense for a Dennis intervention.

[Pop Tart]

27 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I just wanted Carole to shut the fuck up and quit talking over B.  They never let her get her side of whatever story they were talking about out.  Dorinda is nasty AF.  No one ever should ask her help for anything because the payback is way too much and she will make you pay if she is not properly thanked.  Tinsley looked really uncomfortable with the pile on.

What's interesting to me is how far Dorinda has moved to "Dream Team" since the season wrapped. Sure she was getting digs in at Bethenny all season and certainly did want to take her down a few pegs - mostly to even the playing field I think - but she was still pretty copacetic with her as the season wrapped. In Cartagena Bethenny was the one Dorinda had a one-on-one with the morning after her drunken tirade at Lu the night before. In that one-on-one she admitted that she knows she hurts people when she's so drunk and how sorry she was about the night before and Bethenny was comforting her. And when they got back from their trip Bethenny had Dorinda over for lunch at her new apartment and again they were still getting along. Think that was in the second to last episode and in the finale, while Dorinda didn't like her defending Lu, again she didn't have major beef with her.

And now here at the reunion she looks like she wants to kill her, like literally. I'm sure it's because she's now seen the whole season and Bethenny made too many mentions of her being a drunk, including revealing to Lu how drunk she was in Puerto Rico and taking her side in the fight between them. All of this is just too much in her face about her drinking and since she's in deep denial about that, that makes Bethenny the enemy. Nothing a drunk hates more then someone who makes them face, even for an instant, the fact that they are a drunk.

[Rap541]

Was I the only one who was a little bored?

I mean, did anything new come up?

I admit though, I am now convinced Carol was "asked to leave" RHONY.

[Otherkate]

4 hours ago, vetiver said:

Is this how this reunion is going to? The women will air their grievances with Beth and the audience will go "they're ganging up on Beth. Poor Beth". Carole will end up looking like the villain in their eyes even though Beth is the main culprit in the demise of their friendship. They've should've kept it more cool.

They should have and let her sink herself, but they aren't smart enough. They are also consumed with bitterness and it's overwhelmed any brains they may have had. If you're going to call yourself a team, at least come with some strategy. I think it didn't help that Drunkinda was their mouthpiece most of the time with howling backup by Crazy Noodle. This is the only Housewives show that I still watch and it's always been because they are a bit smarter and they were also able to let things roll off their back bc this is a freaking job where they are being paid way too much money to do silly things on camera. That's really evaporated this year.

2 hours ago, Sunfield said:

 

I did say I was posting my “unqualified thesis” .... ie. it’s a message board comment, not testimony in court with exhibits of evidence. 

Sometimes I'm not sure.

I can't stop thinking about the segment about Dorinda's drinking. How unbelievably irresponsible. I get it because they were a "team" and all the "I've got your back" middle school mentality, but it's unreal. So Sonja was accused of having a drinking problem, Ramona as well, but somehow DORINDA is above reproach? Dorinda who stabs herself with a knife, slurs her words, and literally uses a made up language when she drinks? Irresponsible and gross. And also dings the credibility of anything else that her "team" says the rest of the time. If you are so offended by the idea that Dorinda might have a drinking problem? I don't trust a thing you say. 

Dorinda. Has. A. Problem. With. Alcohol.

[reniomartinio]

i can’t believe no one has commented about Ramona talking to Mario, and handing the phone to Andy!!! I didn’t imagine that did I??!!

[KungFuBunny]

14 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

They are all cutting about each other  in their THs. Even Sonja about Bethenny a time or two. They don't like the extra attention  she gets, but they crave her friendship,  for the extra camera time.They miscalculated. Dorinda, Carole and Ramona end up looking waaaaay worse in this and Bethenny is holding her own.

Carole isn't even part of the show anymore. Whether she quit or was fired, though, based on her interactions with Andy, it was fired, she's gone. And now Ramona and Dorinda are left twisting in the wind.

I wish someone would remind Ramona of Carole complaining about everything of Ramona's Hampton Party dinner. I wish someone would bring up how supportive of a friend Carole was to her, being a total girl's girl and relaying to Ramona that Peter dated Kasey. Oh wait, Carole didn't do that did she? she didn't pull Ramona aside one time, instead she told Heather, Bethenny, and was so happy to share that information with Luann on her laptop.

I don't think Ramona is so much in danger for next season - as when Bethenny and Ramona fight it's more like a comedy act. Like Bethenny fucking her way to the top or with her fake tits. They've always had this weird dysfunctional mother/daughter relationship.

As for Dorinda, most of her shenanigans are shown on film. Everything she said behind Bethenny's back. I hope Bethenny comes for for her.

[RHJunkie]

20 minutes ago, Mozelle said:

All of this is fine and well, but I think it's important to note that because of Bethenny's background and connections, she was also afforded the opportunity to "fail up," so to speak. It's akin to those money and finance features that Refinery 29 is so fond of doing--where a mid-20s girl talks about how she's making it in NYC on only $30,000 a year...until you find out that she's got people (with money) in her corner to act as a safety net. Yeah, Bethenny was living in a tiny apartment, but she also dated men with money who I'd guess supplemented things for her as well. 

I just think we (as a culture, collectively) are often so enamored with the "pulled up by my bootstrap" narrative that it gets over applied. Bethenny is one to whom that narrative has been over applied, if you ask me. 

How do you know she was afforded opportunities to fail up? Were either of her parents financing her lifestyle or had a bank account tucked away for her in case she couldn't 'slum' it that tiny apartment? Did dad's friend invest in multiple failed ventures before they finally hit the jackpot with SkinnyGirl? Do we know of men paying her rent for her? I can certainly believe buying nice jewelry and designer outfits and bags but are we assuming all of these things because we don't like Bethenny or do we actually know this information? I'm genuinely asking because I don't know.

There's a difference between someone surviving and someone thriving. If Bethenny tapped into dad's back accounts or relied on rich boyfriends to sometimes pay her rent and buy her nice things - that's her surviving her way through life. But none of those things seem directly correlated to why she's not thriving. I wouldn't over analyze the sentiment just because someone didn't go from being homeless to running a multi-million dollar company without the help of any handouts. If her success was largely due to her persistent, initiative and her unwillingness to take no for an answer so she made things happen, then I personally think it's fair to apply that terminology to her. To my knowledge, she didn't inherit a ton of money that she used to build her brand. She wasn't handed the money without a product or poof of concept and she gain her success by having an already established successful name to connect the product to (ala a Kylie Jenner type of entrepreneur).

We can certainly agree to disagree here but I do think that so many here wouldn't contest the nature of her success if so many here didn't thoroughly dislike her (and admittedly, there's a lot to dislike about her).