S10.E16: Guess Who's Arguing at Dinner?

[RedDelicious]

Also I wanted to add, there's no way Sonja's shorts belonged to her daughter. Q is teenage tiny and Sonja is at least a 4. Her shorts were too small. I thought the pink outfit was cute though and if the shorts were just slightly more roomy (no camels) it would have been just right. 

[Giselle]

Note to self. If I ever am invited to have dinner where Slurinda is present decline the invitation or leave early because she is one loud, mean, nasty, saliva spraying drunk and I don't like being around drunks.

The joker mouth suited her because the joke is on her if she thinks she doesn't have a problem. Every frigging time they travel she's hammered and nasty. 

[lamujerdecente]

  On 7/26/2018 at 1:56 AM, fountain said:

Dorinda’s just awful.  I guess it is alcoholism and drug use as she seems nice one minute and then is really really really bad.  The stuff with Luanne was mean, the look on Dorinda’s face when she mentioned the mug shot looked like pure hatred.  I personally could never forgive her and accept her apologies she is just too abusive and pretty scary when she is that mean.  As much as the other women are all bitches even Luanne’s drunken police event seems mild compared to Dorinda.  While Dorinda may not have a mug shot yet, seems it is just a matter of time.

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Dorinda is an alcoholic imo. My ex was a lot like Dorinda drunk. Mean as a snake saying mean, vile things he would never say sober. He sill is this type of drinker. Newly married with the same anger our daughter tells me. The fact that he won't get help despite who he hurts when he is in this state says alot. If Dorinda doesn't see herself on TV and get help that says a lot. These type of drinkers usually have a enablers because they are usually nice and considerate, charming sober.

I know Lu is annoying. I know she throws airs. But the bitch went to rehab. She got dumped publicly (even if she left he refused to honor a marriage vow by not stepping out publicly). And Dorinda is a scary drunk where Lu was a more "fun" drunk. And she became that scary drunk herself. I think she saw herself when Dorinda was sipping that drink. And the Dorinda monster. Ramona was the adult at that dinner. I saw a pig in the sky over her head. She was well behaved on this trip so far. And Dorinda has been a real world rage drunken monster numerous times THIS SEASON ALONE. Get your life together Doris. STOP DRINKING. 

Carole. Bye. I think you won't see your little entitled man child after this. But your smug face overfilled with plastic is enough for me and my HD TV.

Bethany can't find joy in anything. She can keep her money, her f#$ked up boob jobs and skinny (admitidly besides the boobs she looks great in clothes) her plastic surgery touch ups that are the best I have seen outside of hollywood and attention seeking ways. I will stay with my pudgy belly and poor bank account. I find joy in as much as I can because I been the poor match girl literally homeless with two kids and an abusive ex. My life is beautiful now with my kids and a great man. FIND JOY LADY.

Sonia is very gross and it isn't cute. That shit went out with Jessica Simpson, when she was married to Nick L. Its not cute or endearing. However she looks great his season. Her bod is fab. Lu too. 

[weaver]

All I've got to say is lets get to the boat ride from hell.

So Carole is leaving.  One of them had to leave; this drama is fatiguing.  I do believe Carole left voluntarily.  Maybe she realized it was damaging her spirit, not to mention her future career.  Bethenny will never leave voluntarily, not now.  

When Bethenny said "I'm scheduled every minute of 24 hours" or the like, I almost choked.  She is in charge of her schedule, she humble brags incessantly on her IG about her appearances, etc, and how she flies non stop to be on time for Bryn (to adhere to the ridiculously rigid schedule she has forced on jason).  She's rich; she can curtail her schedule.  She can reach a more amicable agreement with Jason.   And calling Dennis for a plane, pathetic.  And let's be reminded she initiated the custody hearing that was so stressful.  That hearing didn't go the way she wanted and the judge ordered that Bryn be evaluated psychologically as to how she relates to each of them.   Bethenny didn't have a clue about that result, but she brought it on herself.  You don't "know it all" Bethenny.  

[Mozelle]

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:20 AM, HunterHunted said:

I don't know why Bethenny would have a hard time believing that Carole would think Bethenny was turning her head. Bethenny has talked openly about feeling uncomfortable around Carole, refused to look at Carole, and run to the other side of the table at the spa because she didn't want to sit next to Carole. This was completely consistent with all of the shit that Bethenny has pulled this season. Bethenny is a nasty immature selfish bint.

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Well, what Bethenny wanted was to proclaim that she didn’t want to sit next to Carole...but have Carole follow her to the other end of the table and beg her to talk and explain why Bethenny didn’t want to sit next to her.

What Bethenny wanted was to announce that she doesn’t want to ride in the same car as Carole...but have Carole run and jump on the hood of the car to get Bethenny’s attention and ask Bethenny why she doesn’t want to ride in the same car.

What Bethenny wanted was to cry loudly about not wanting to go shopping with Carole...but have Carole trail behind her, begging and pleading to tell her why Bethenny doesn’t want to go shopping. 

Bethenny’s manipulative fake tears didn’t work with Carole not because Carole is cold, but because Carole finally understood that this is what Bethenny does and expects, and that if she wants to keep her sanity intact, Carole has to separate from such toxicity. I don’t know if anyone who would willingly and continually participate in such a friendship dynamic unless they, too, thrive off drama.

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:46 AM, Rosiejuliemom said:

Sonja was so fucking messy tonight. She was trying to play all sides. I think she'll lean towards Beth, if only because she doesn't want to get exiled again, but she'll hedge her bets if she can. Friendships be damned, Sonja's not giving up the Bravo paycheck without a fight.

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Sonja should enjoy this moment because come next season, who knows what it’ll be that’ll set Bethenny on her for whatever. Bethenny has no loyalty. It’s only a matter of time before she’s screaming and being a manipulative ass to Sonja.

[esco1822]

  On 7/26/2018 at 10:46 AM, weaver said:

And calling Dennis for a plane, pathetic.

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And why did she call Dennis for a plane? This is a woman who arranged for countless private jets to deliver supplies to devastated areas of Puerto Rico and Houston. She can’t get her own plane? She could have snapped her fingers and had one.  She was never leaving. She didn’t want a plane, she wanted sympathy. She wanted attention. She wanted to play they victim. 

[weaver]

  On 7/26/2018 at 11:01 AM, esco1822 said:

And why did she call Dennis for a plane? This is a woman who arranged for countless private jets to deliver supplies to devastated areas of Puerto Rico and Houston. She can’t get her own plane? She could have snapped her fingers and had one.  She was never leaving. She didn’t want a plane, she wanted sympathy. She wanted attention. She wanted to play they victim. 

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And this is presumably after her desperate texts to Red Scarf Guy for a date, so she and Dennis were not exactly bff's at the time.  

[pasdetrois]

This show fascinates me because I think we are seeing these society women beginning the long slow slide down.

Luann developed her elegant facade after years of being on Italian TV, modeling and moving in minor aristocratic circles as the countess. But under that facade is an entitled shark who, facing a possibly penniless future, makes a determined beeline for the supposedly wealthy Tom, and when that fails, steals from her children. She's run back to rehab to try to escape the repercussions. (Who's paying for rehab?)

Tinsley is desperate for Scott's money and he has latched on to her for publicity for his business. I think Tinsley and her mother are desperately chasing faded debutante dreams. Not a good look.

Dorinda has become the mean blowsy drunk who is unraveling before our eyes.

Carole is the still-insecure teenage girl who was not classically pretty growing up and is making other women pay for it. She's a power-fucker and uses people to feed her sense of entitlement and competition with other women. The tacky Instrgram commercials tell the real story - scrambling for money, no career any longer, trying to stay relevant. She misjudged her behaviors, can't stand the blowback, and is getting off of TV.

Unless Sonja finds a man to support her, her future is not bright.

Bethenny is a miserable mess and I pity her child. Her money allows her to escape the consequences of a lot of her actions.

The survivor? Ramona, the canny narcissist/sociopath who will somehow survive, probably because of a divorce settlement that her financial team is carefully managing. She'll survive because she doesn't give a rat's ass about other people. Her risk is a clever, seductive Lothario appealing to her vanity and convincing her to give him her money.

[Chit Chat]

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:08 AM, Anonysaurus said:

Am I the only one who actually likes Tinsley? She seems fun, I like her style, and she actually seems like a nice person.

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I like her too. My favorite part of this episode was watching Tinsley and Sonja laughing and having a good time at dinner while all hell was breaking loose around them!  At one point, Tinsley grabbed Sonja's face and kissed her on the lips!  I wonder what they were talking about that led to that. 

I didn't mind that Carole didn't wipe the lipstick off of Dorinda's face.  I wouldn't try to touch her when she's in that condition!  Dorinda needs to see the footage and see exactly what all of us see.  Maybe she'll get it then. 

[b2H]

  On 7/26/2018 at 2:48 AM, escatefromny said:

During the 2 ring circus Luanne kept checking to see of the camera was “getting this”.

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I don't believe it was necessarily 'getting' the drama.  I can see this becoming a topic of conversation at the reunion.  With the 'roll tape' that Andy can now request, Dorinda can't deny she said what she said.  

As for Bethenny, she does have entirely too much going on just now, what with the custody and all that.  We've known for quite a while that this is a messy divorce and he's been absolutely awful to her (whether deservedly or not, I wasn't watching the show when the two of them were still together).  She's taking a lot of this very personally, more so than many would.  He's attacking her, using Bryn as a weapon.  Having lost a child, as I did, in my divorce, I understand much of what she's feeling, but she's a bit over the top with it.  I called it as a breakdown last week.

She needs to take some ISOLATED time off and just do some introspection as to where she's going in life.  The guy she married is an a$$ and she is not making herself look good by bawling her eyes out all day long.  The guy doesn't care.  He doesn't care if she's upset, unless he's a sadist.  In which case, she shouldn't give him the satisfaction of being public with her attitude,

[Vanderboom]

(I was replying to someone here, but their quote got eaten by the Internet Monster. The gist was that Dorinda is a manipulator with or without alcohol.)

Manipulative behavior is a part of the classic addict profile. I'm not trying to diagnose or defend Dorinda, but she's dropping red flags all over the place. 

 

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:11 AM, SailorGirl said:

Come on . . . how can you not love Tinsley? "I have a mug shot too. Whatever." I love the Tinz . . . there is something endearing about her naivete and her self-deprecation is amusing -- #TeamTinsley

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Ah. A Tale of Two Tinsleys.  Tinsley #1 is fun, kind, and even insightful. Tinsley #1 is great. Unfortunately, there's also Tinsley #2, the drama queen with arrested development who can't get over her "It" girl past. 

[b2H]

  On 7/26/2018 at 3:45 AM, Bronzedog said:

Doesn’t matter.  They’re all going to drown next week.  All that going to be left is Carole’s earrings, a blinking balloon floating on the water, and, the smell of jealousy, despair and tequila.

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I guess next week's ep is the one we've all been waiting for?

[SuprSuprElevated]

  On 7/26/2018 at 2:58 AM, chewycandy said:

There was something about the moment when Carole kissed her and said I do love you. 

I assumed Dorinda flailed her arm and the glass went flying in Luann’s direction. 

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Yeah, I think a glass was dropped or knocked over (likely by Dorinda), and I believe that was a Ramona scream.  Because Ramona.

[b2H]

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:11 AM, SailorGirl said:

Come on . . . how can you not love Tinsley? "I have a mug shot too. Whatever." I love the Tinz . . . there is something endearing about her naivete and her self-deprecation is amusing -- #TeamTinsley

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And this is what Scott sees (or did see) in her.  There are guys out there who want this in their women.  He's gotten what he wanted.  I don't criticize as long as he doesn't mistreat her and that certainly doesn't seem to be the case.

[RedDelicious]

  On 7/26/2018 at 11:01 AM, esco1822 said:

And why did she call Dennis for a plane? This is a woman who arranged for countless private jets to deliver supplies to devastated areas of Puerto Rico and Houston. She can’t get her own plane? She could have snapped her fingers and had one.  She was never leaving. She didn’t want a plane, she wanted sympathy. She wanted attention. She wanted to play they victim. 

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I giggled at that and thought she really was having her Jill moment.  "Bahhbby (rest his soul), I need a plane."

[SuprSuprElevated]

  On 7/26/2018 at 3:04 AM, fountain said:

I figured she is constipated because she barely eats.  I mean it would explain her stick up her ass attitude.  Probably she needs a good crap to get it out.  Maybe the street juice will work, one can only hope!

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Nothing like a Colombian tapeworm to fix what ails ya.

[CrinkleCutCat]

I know they have already filmed the reunion episodes but I am crossing my fingers they air lots of footage of Dorinda in all her slurry nasty glory. I want to see her charm her way out of that! How can she justify the fact that she can hardly speak coherently? Will she deny she has a drinking problem? I liked (sober) Dorinda in her first couple of seasons but her divorce vs widowhood arguments (the absolute that all widowhood is worse than all divorce) and her run and tell tales to people (to stir up drama? To keep her apple?) behaviours are wearing thin on me.  The things she jumped on Luanne about tonight were going for Luanne’s jugular: being too Countessy, now she’s an ex Countess, she has a mugshot, she is a felon.... Dorinda seems to have a nasty core which is showing through.

[SuprSuprElevated]

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:08 AM, Anonysaurus said:

Am I the only one who actually likes Tinsley?

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You are not.

  On 7/26/2018 at 3:56 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Two bloodbaths percolating on both sides of her, and Ramona’s fixing her makeup.

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lol  Yeah, Ramona was busy rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[noveltylibrary]

This was the first time I've ever felt Carole--I can see how hard it would be to be friends with B and she expressed it very well this ep.  I don't believe in Ride or Die Sonya.  I am going through a very similar situation and it is bizarre because like B said there's no smoking gun as to why we stopped talking after being dear friends for years.  I was in an unsure place when we met, my husband had just left but as I grew confident and didn't want it all to be downer talk something shifted.  In other words she's great in a crisis like B, but can't be happy for someone living their best life because she is not.

It's sad but it happens.

[SuprSuprElevated]

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:20 AM, HunterHunted said:

I don't know why Bethenny would have a hard time believing that Carole would think Bethenny was turning her head. Bethenny has talked openly about feeling uncomfortable around Carole, refused to look at Carole, and run to the other side of the table at the spa because she didn't want to sit next to Carole. This was completely consistent with all of the shit that Bethenny has pulled this season. Bethenny is a nasty immature selfish bint.

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I've had friendships blow up before, and it is awful and uncomfortable and awkward.  I think that Bethenny has surely had it happen before as well, but the difference here; the reason she can't control her emotions, is because she has to be in such close proximity with the former friend.  Most of us can and do distance ourselves in a similar circumstance.  Bethenny can't because of contractual obligations.  Reality tv is a bitch man!

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:27 AM, MadLove said:

Yeah me too....Eve, Evelyn? Who is this person?

 

Also am I the only one who heard Dorinda call Luanne "Darlene" twice when they first started arguing at dinner?

 

Eve? Evelyn? Darlene?

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Dorinda was mocking Lu's darling.

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:32 AM, breezy424 said:

Mystery of the night on the board....who is Evelyn????  We all want to know.

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I no longer care, lol.

[SuprSuprElevated]

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:57 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

The Bravo crew was probably thinking, “We didn’t bring enough cameras!”

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I actually thought it was brilliantly edited.

  On 7/26/2018 at 5:06 AM, esco1822 said:

Did anyone else notice that Dorinda was wearing the same earrings Carole gave Sonja only in black? The ones B was wearing in her TH’s were also very similar. Could it be that Carole actually DID buy them for everyone and not just Sonja to butter her up??

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There is no way in hell that Carole only bought earrings for Sonja. 

[CrinkleCutCat]

  On 7/26/2018 at 12:41 PM, SuprSuprElevated said:

I've had friendships blow up before, and it is awful and uncomfortable and awkward.  I think that Bethenny has surely had it happen before as well, but the difference here; the reason she can't control her emotions, is because she has to be in such close proximity with the former friend.  Most of us can and do distance ourselves in a similar circumstance.  Bethenny can't because of contractual obligations.  Reality tv is a bitch man!

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I wonder if most of Bethenny’s ‘friendships’ that have blown up were actually employees? We’ve seen how ‘close’ she is with her employees and how she deems them her ‘friends’ but they don’t ever stay for a long time. Carole isn’t an employee so the dynamic is very different.... I wonder also if Bethenny can even tell the difference? Thinking through even more, perhaps that’s why it’s hurting Bethenny in such a raw way...this is a ‘real’ friend, not an employee, yet she’s driving her away too. I suspect there’s a lot of pushing people to prove they will stay. That backfires with someone who is an employee (no pay is worth that drama) and with someone like Carole who only wants happy somewhat shallow friendships and doesn’t want the drama that comes with being Bethenny’s friend.

[SuprSuprElevated]

  On 7/26/2018 at 5:12 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Beth, maybe if you stopped shrieking at people, you’d have more friends. 

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Nah.  lol

  On 7/26/2018 at 5:25 AM, Nancybeth said:

Carole said she bought earrings for all the ladies when she brought the blue pair to Sonja's room! I thought it was strange that we never saw her give them to anyone else, but they clearly received them at some point. 

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Making Bethenny's statement "I need to vomit" or something like that, after Sonja told her they were from Carole, even stranger.

  On 7/26/2018 at 5:25 AM, ScoobieDoobs said:

If Bethenny was really as smart as she constantly shoves at us that she is, she'd market the fuck outta those cute Sonja earrings in a bunch of different colors.  I think I care more about those earrings than the stupid fights!  Honestly, when they broke up into 2 (or more) groups, I couldn't keep track, lost interest & turned on Rachel Maddow.

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Those earrings are everywhere, and have been for a couple of years.

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[SuprSuprElevated]

  On 7/26/2018 at 5:59 AM, ichbin said:

Did anybody see any tears during any of her breakdowns in this episode?  I'm asking seriously because I couldn't see any.  I saw her screw up her face and make sniffing sounds, but if there were any actual tears I missed them.  

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She buys her tears from the same supplier as Tamra in OC.  They're called Dry Tears by Crocodile & Co.  I'm expecting a licensing deal to emerge...Skinny Girl Tears.

  On 7/26/2018 at 8:11 AM, yourmomiseasy said:

So all of Bethenny's histrionics were her coming down hard off of adderall, yeah?

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The signature machine gun-speak would indicate to me perhaps an OD of adderall, not the reverse.

<not completely serious, only half kidding>

[SuprSuprElevated]

  On 7/26/2018 at 9:57 AM, Sharonana said:

Why would she be jealous of Bethenny?

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Exactly.  Because she has cash?  Because clearly, that hasn't fixed any of Bethenny's psychoses.  Money ain't a cure-all y'all.

Exhibit A:  Bethenny Frankel

  On 7/26/2018 at 10:04 AM, RedDelicious said:

Also I wanted to add, there's no way Sonja's shorts belonged to her daughter. Q is teenage tiny and Sonja is at least a 4. Her shorts were too small. I thought the pink outfit was cute though and if the shorts were just slightly more roomy (no camels) it would have been just right. 

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I agree with one hedge - would have preferred a neutral shoe.

[Keywestclubkid]

  On 7/26/2018 at 12:55 PM, SuprSuprElevated said:

She buys her tears from the same supplier as Tamra in OC.  They're called Dry Tears by Crocodile & Co.  I'm expecting a licensing deal to emerge...Skinny Girl Tears.

The signature machine gun-speak would indicate to me perhaps an OD of adderall, not the reverse.

<not completely serious, only half kidding>

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I always thought Bethenny was on some uppers (that she shouldn't be on) it explains the rapid talking the bouncing around the being able to have 24 hrs of your day scheduled and it also explains the mood swings and irritability too ... the woman has cracked....

[Gem 10]

That whole dinner scene where everyone was screaming all at once reminded of those old “ who dun it movies” like Hercule Peroit.  Who’s the murderer in the end ..  Dorinda !

[CrinkleCutCat]

It’s actually quite sad that Bethenny is so clearly teaching us that money can’t buy you happiness. 

Do I have to let go of the dream?

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[RedDelicious]

@SuprSuprElevated I didn't see the shoes! What was she wearing?

[SuprSuprElevated]

  On 7/26/2018 at 1:04 PM, RedDelicious said:

@SuprSuprElevated I didn't see the shoes! What was she wearing?

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Black strappy heels.  It wasn't horrid, but neutral for me.

Edited July 26, 2018 by SuprSuprElevated

[RedDelicious]

@SuprSuprElevated Oh, yeah, no....

[noveltylibrary]

Does anyone know the sunglasses B was wearing? Not that I could afford them but I heart them!  I always seem to love her sunglasses.

[VedaPierce]

  On 7/26/2018 at 1:37 AM, LilaFowler said:

When Ramona is the calm, sane voice at the table...

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Last night I saw a glimpse of Little Ramoner 50 years ago, while her parents went apeshit at the dinner table...she knows how to handle herself in a monkey cage when all hell breaks loose. 

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[bosawks]

  On 7/26/2018 at 1:04 PM, Gem 10 said:

That whole dinner scene where everyone was screaming all at once reminded of those old “ who dun it movies” like Hercule Peroit.  Who’s the murderer in the end ..  Dorinda !

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I don't think so, she's the red herring, it'd be Tinsley, quiet and dumb.

Surprise she's the clever murderer!

Or Ramona because, oh, of course, it'd have to be Ramona...

[918lux]

  On 7/26/2018 at 9:57 AM, Sharonana said:

I feel like I am watching a completely different show than some. WTH am I missing that many describe Carole as being smug, mean girl jealous? Why would she be jealous of Bethenny? Because she's not a screaming, hysterical shrew? Ok. What does Bethenny mean when she describes Carole as too cool? Aloof? Distant? I would be too. Bethenny is exhausting. Her behavior is dreadful. She sucks the life out of a room and anyone around her. Carole tried to have an adult conversation with Bethenny, but she steamrolls right over her. She starts screaming about court and lawyers. So exasperating!!! I, for one, am sad that Carole is leaving. I don't think it has anything to do with Adam and everything to do with Bethenny. And why isn't it plausible to think that she wants to return to being a writer/producer? We saw one little snippet about her missing a deadline. Does that define her entire work ethic? I don't think so but as always, YMMV.

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YES!!!! To all of this!!  I feel like I'm a crazy person because it seems so obvious to me that Bethenny is orchestrating all this insanity and Carole is just trying to have a peaceful trip for the sake of the other girls and calmly address the situation, then I come on here and everyone else seems to be seeing the opposite of that.  It's interesting how we can all see different things out of the same scenes.  

[SailorGirl]

  On 7/26/2018 at 12:16 PM, b2H said:

And this is what Scott sees (or did see) in her.  There are guys out there who want this in their women.  He's gotten what he wanted.  I don't criticize as long as he doesn't mistreat her and that certainly doesn't seem to be the case.

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Exactly. She certainly comes across as (other than spending money on her) as pretty easy going -- she doesn't seem to get caught up in the drama and argument for argument's sake, she knows all the right people, she knows how to carry herself and converse at high-money events, and in some circles, she likely gives Scott more credibility as he is "new money" and she is not. I think that's part of the whole "IT Girl" persona -- they present themselves as out for fun and good times, nothing too serious, but not being bitches either. Even with her mugshot-related situation, she had the resources to hire lawyers and pr agents to manage everything and rebrand her -- all she had to go was go along with the plan. I wish I had the resources to be able to manage the bullshit in my life that way. Let someone else worry about it and do all the hard work -- so long as I trust them, just tell me what to do and where to sign -- thanks, time to jet off to Cartahena and go shopping -- let me know if I need to sign anything else -- thanks! I think we'd ALL be that way!! 

[VedaPierce]

Can’t stand that Carole said Lu shouldn’t say anything about anyone else’s drinking because she just got out of rehab!! Why the hell not??? If anyone can see what an out-of-control drunk is, it’s someone who came out the other side! So because Lu was in rehab, she has no right to comment on an obvious problem in front of her? 

And while I believe Bethenny played a huge part in their breakup, Carole is no angel. I saw gaslighting. I saw her fishing after bribing Sonja, and not listening to Sonja’s explanation of Bethenny’s side. I saw Carole very cooly hug Bethenny after Bethenny broke down and said she loved her. How can that not move you if you used to have a close relationship with this person? At least be sad with them that a dear friendship is over....I don’t know..such toxic people, of course it wouldn’t last.

Dorinda was disgusting last night. What a sad, ugly, sloppy mess. Her eyes full of misplaced anger alternating with regret, her lipstick smears, the drool. I would be horrified if that was my mother in tv. I AM horrified. She lost me. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

  On 7/26/2018 at 4:08 AM, UsernameFatigue said:

That was one of my favourite parts of the night. That and Tins being totally oblivious to the heated conversations on either end of the table. And what was that Ramona had? I looked like a rather large hard sided case with a big mirror inside the lid. It was huge for something one would take to dinner to check on lipstick. Did she steal it from Tins's glad squad? Did she carry it in a purse, or was it her purse? 

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I guess it’s a miracle that Ramona doesn’t travel with a full-length tri-fold mirror that some poor soul has to schlep around for her!

[noveltylibrary]

  On 7/26/2018 at 1:17 PM, VedaPierce said:

Last night I saw a glimps of Little Ramoner 50 years ago, while her parents went apeshit at the dinner table...she knows how to handle herself in a monkey cage when all hell breaks loose. 

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Someone called into WWHL asking her why she didn't say anything back when Dorinda told her to shut her mouth... Hello are you new to the show??  There is NO talking to her once the Beast comes out.

[janie2002]

When Bethenny was talking about the text she didn't mention the ones before I miss you, which Carol read last time they met. If i remember correctly it was a slap and hug type of situation, the kind that abusive relationships often have. B texted something rude then follows up with I miss you. Sonja likes being good with b because it secures her place, she is going to do anything B wants and catering to her.

I'm one of the minority here because I side with Carole in all this. Watching B  is exhausting, I can't imagine being in another country with her like this. She is sucking the air out of the room. Only time she was happy is when she was with the OGs, because she felt happy everyone else left and she could feel like top dog again.

Also STFU B about shopping so much, we get it you are rich, you effing spent $250, it's not groundbreaking. SHUT UP!!!

I can see why Dorinda was annoyed but she does fight dirty.

Edited July 26, 2018 by janie2002

[noveltylibrary]

  On 7/26/2018 at 10:04 AM, RedDelicious said:

Also I wanted to add, there's no way Sonja's shorts belonged to her daughter. Q is teenage tiny and Sonja is at least a 4. Her shorts were too small. I thought the pink outfit was cute though and if the shorts were just slightly more roomy (no camels) it would have been just right. 

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Sure looked sexy though, she lost weight quickly by not drinking..it works, I did too.

[janie2002]

  On 7/26/2018 at 1:27 PM, 918lux said:

YES!!!! To all of this!!  I feel like I'm a crazy person because it seems so obvious to me that Bethenny is orchestrating all this insanity and Carole is just trying to have a peaceful trip for the sake of the other girls and calmly address the situation, then I come on here and everyone else seems to be seeing the opposite of that.  It's interesting how we can all see different things out of the same scenes.  

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Agreed on everything. lol 

[noveltylibrary]

I seriously hope Tinsley can't survive the show without her bestie.

[Pondlass1]

  On 7/26/2018 at 2:53 AM, RedDelicious said:

But seriously though, what was the crash and the scream?

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They're going to need a larger camera crew for this bickering bunch when they go out to eat and drink.  The cameras were focused on the never ending circle of an argument at one end of the table - when world war three was starting at the other.

[VedaPierce]

I have so much work to do right now, but this is SO GOod!!!! Lolololo

[coops]

Dorinda is just horrid. It could so easily have been her that has a mugshot instead of Luann. Has she not watched herself on the show? Luann might have gone waaaaaaaaaaaay over the edge when she got arrested, but most of her drunken escapades on TV have been funny (falling in the bush) Dorinda's drunkness always gets NASTY. 

[Gem 10]

  On 7/26/2018 at 12:19 PM, CrinkleCutCat said:

I know they have already filmed the reunion episodes but I am crossing my fingers they air lots of footage of Dorinda in all her slurry nasty glory. I want to see her charm her way out of that! How can she justify the fact that she can hardly speak coherently? Will she deny she has a drinking problem? I liked (sober) Dorinda in her first couple of seasons but her divorce vs widowhood arguments (the absolute that all widowhood is worse than all divorce) and her run and tell tales to people (to stir up drama? To keep her apple?) behaviours are wearing thin on me.  The things she jumped on Luanne about tonight were going for Luanne’s jugular: being too Countessy, now she’s an ex Countess, she has a mugshot, she is a felon.... Dorinda seems to have a nasty core which is showing through.

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Why isn’t anyone putting Dorinda in rehab?  John, Andy, her daughter?  Andy likes her drunk and raging .. it makes for good t.v., but what about her welfare?  Doesn’t anyone care?  You would think after seeing herself on t.v., she would realize she needs help.  It’s been too many times.

[Pondlass1]

  On 7/26/2018 at 1:27 PM, 918lux said:

Bethenny is exhausting.

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I agree. She doesn't listen to anything anyone says.  Her brain is far too busy whirling around.  I don't know why Carole keeps wanting to sit down and talk - maybe the show's producer says they must do this and sets it up.  But Bethany needs a Valium or some sort of medication to calm her when she gets like this.  There's no talking to her. It must be hard on her central nervous system to be in this anguished aggitated  state all the time.

Edited July 26, 2018 by Pondlass1

[laprin]

For all of you that have adamantly disliked Dorinda, I get it now.  If Dorinda's family is not sitting down with her and talking about rehab after this episode, they are at best enablers and at worst don't care about her.  She is a very mean drunk, which would be less of an issue if she was not drunk so often. 

The conversation with Carole and Bethenny was just painful.  They are so over each other, they should just move on and stop torturing those around them. This may be one of their least enjoyable group vacations ever.   

Edited July 26, 2018 by laprin

[hoodooznoodooz]

Is there some kind of 30-60-day therapy rehab that Beth could check herself into? (No Instagram or Twitter privileges.)