S13.E01: The Next Chapter

[film noire]

On 7/16/2018 at 9:53 PM, ivygirl said:

I was just thinking, I need to see Shannon as Bret Michaels again!

 

 

Favourite moments: Kelly's daughter (Jolie) covering her ears at dinner (that  kind of thing usually strikes me as a bratty, but she cracked me up), Shannon snapping at the women below while up on the line ("MY ARMS AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH!" - delivered with a Shatner-like precision and rage) and Archie, getting shit done.

Re: Shannon keeping the ring on because it reminded her she had three daughters -- don't the three daughters living in your (Depression era Hoover camp "only 4000 square feet") home remind you that you have three daughters? 

~and i'm missing peggy only because it means no more demented "in Armenia" posts from @HunterHunted.

Edited July 19, 2018 by film noire
hoosiers!

[zenme]

2 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

 

I like the family moments mixed in.. keep that up Bravo!!  I hate math and switched from being a Psychology major to something else after finding out I would have to take 4 math courses, plus 1 Statistics course.

Same here! Had to take Statistics though. 

I'm surprised that I actually liked Tamra and Kelly! I've always liked Shannon and her crazy, and I think I'm gonna like her much better without David and the stress he brought. Looking forward to this season!

[Lynnlynnlynn586]

12 hours ago, Taralightner said:

Not looking forward to Kelly. Not holding any hope that she can tone it down enough for my taste, but just my opinion. I know others disagree. 

No Kelly makes my skin crawl when she even talks i am easygoing and usally i like all the housewives but Kelly can go away...just sayin

[ivygirl]

18 minutes ago, film noire said:

 

 

I mean, you know how I’m obliged to respond, don’t you?

3...

2...

1...

DONT THREATEN ME WITH A GOOD TIME!

Edited July 17, 2018 by ivygirl

[film noire]

6 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

I mean, you know how I’m obliged to respond, don’t you?

3...

2...

1...

DONT THREATEN ME WITH A GOOD TIME!

LOL (can't believe I walked right into that :)

[For Cereals]

2 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

I should have highlighted your entire post because it's spot on. I got so bored with this f'n opening show of the season that I changed channels to watch Huell Howser California gold: the Ukulele episode. Huell Howser rocks!! RIP Huell ❤

OMG!  I love Huell Howser!  The avocado episode is my favorite.  Haven’t listened to the Adam Carola podcast in a while, but I used to live Dana Gould impersonating him and them breaking down each episode!  

Okay OT, Shannon needs to sell the ring, buy a new one, a “mom” ring, and buy Archie toys with the rest.  I’m over beige and travertine with this crew, but I could go for pampered dog furnishings porn.

[gwen747]

3 hours ago, Fiero425 said:

She should try my new program; 16/8 intermittent fasting! I just eat in a specified window of 8 hours and only drink water outside of that window! The results were amazing at 1st; lost 12 pounds in 2 days, but even when the weight loss slowed, you could tell fat was being burned! Shannon is obviously snacking late! A grape at 3 am will shoot insulin levels up which causes problems for people like me with multiple sleep disorders! I've lost 17 pounds after a month or so, but other changes are evident and it's really so easy! Just studied videos on You Tube! ;-)

Agreed. I've been doing Intermittent Fasting since Christmas. It's so easy. Eat during this time period; don't easy during the other time period. Constant snacking and grazing all day never puts your body into a fat burning state. 

[lcarolynl]

1 hour ago, Misslindsey said:

I do not know how long I am going to last watching this season. I do not really care for any of these ladies, so unless the new women really bring it I am out. I hate that it seems like everyone loves Vicki again. TPTB can keep showing lighthearted Vicki scenes, but she will never be redeemed for me. 

The woman participated in a cancer fraud. How much worse does it get? I haven't decided if I'll watch this season at all or watch and FF through any scene with Vicki. She is vile. I have written and deleted several comments about her character but what's the point? TPTB seem to like her and have invited her back so it's take Vicki or leave RHOOC. I think I'll leave it.

[biakbiak]

The new HW “lawyering” makes Bob Loblaw look like he might be up for a Supreme Court appointment.

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, film noire said:

 

 

Favourite moments: Kelly's daughter (Jolie) covering her ears at dinner (that  kind of thing usually strikes me as a bratty, but she cracked me up)

I spent that scene wondering why Kelly dragged Jolie there and if Jolie was supposed to be Kelly's designated driver. I wouldn't put the latter past Kelly. 

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Re: Shannon keeping the ring on because it reminded her she had three daughters -- don't the three daughters living in your (Depression era Hoosier camp "only 4000 square feet") home remind you that you have three daughters?

Shannon is a romantic era character. Everything is always naked raw feelings and emotions with her. You need a reminder of your marriage that went to shit? Why? She's a masochist who is addicted to melodrama.

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~and i'm missing peggy only because it means no more demented "in Armenia" posts from @HUNTERHUNTED.

Thanks!

Every time Tamra "cries" this is all I can think about:

Like I know that she loves Eddie, but she cannot pull off anything that indicates she's vulnerable. It's not believable.

Vicki wants Steve to move in. Desperation by Vicki. This is the precise reason he'll never move in.

Edited July 17, 2018 by HunterHunted

[Fiero425]

1 hour ago, lcarolynl said:

The woman participated in a cancer fraud. How much worse does it get? I haven't decided if I'll watch this season at all or watch and FF through any scene with Vicki. She is vile. I have written and deleted several comments about her character but what's the point? TPTB seem to like her and have invited her back so it's take Vicki or leave RHOOC. I think I'll leave it.

Vicki's the original OG of OG's! She's going NOWHERE! Shannon mouthed off last reunion and in front of Andy, Vicki told her to if she wasn't happy to "get off my show!" ;-)

Edited July 17, 2018 by Fiero425

[Lizzing]

Kelly said she downsized to a 2 bedroom place, right?  So where does Jerri Blank her mother live now?

The new woman seems to be trying too hard to be unique, when I have to strongly suspect (since she was Tamra's party planner years ago) she's been trying hard to get a spot on this cast for a long while. And, while it is probably way too early to even make this prediction, I suspect she's gonna pull a Kelsey her husband if she does well this season.   Maybe she'll prove me wrong, and at least she's not Peggy or Lydia.

I really do hope that Eddie gets better; despite his major character flaw (marrying Tamra), he seems like one of the better husbands in all the franchises. 

[Taralightner]

6 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Kelly:  "Michael and I sold our house for $5 million dollars."

This is just an awful person, lol.  Who.The.Hell.Cares?

Kelly with Vicki and Jolie at dinner. 

Kelly starts dating conversation. Jolie covers her own ears. Vicki and Kelly have conversations that many would not have in front of a child who has just been through a divorce. Kelly tells her not to grow up anymore at end of said dinner. Ugh! 

[Kiki777]

9 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

They both have  crazy eyes.

LOL they do have the same eyes.  Why was it a big deal anyway that he pooped in the yard?  Where else is a dog to poop, in the toilet?  (Frankly I'd rather pick up yard-poop than share a bathroom with a dog)

The show is so much better without Lydia and Pegs- iffy on the new girl - if your life or freedom depended on how well your lawyer did her job, would you want someone who plans parties on the side?

I miss Meghan- without her, this group's collective IQ has dropped substantially.

[Chit Chat]

2 hours ago, Lizzing said:

Kelly said she downsized to a 2 bedroom place, right?  So where does Jerri Blank her mother live now?

I wondered the same thing.  Maybe she got her a place far away so that Kelly can't nag her about getting out and doing stuff.  Her Mom clearly wanted some down time since she retired, but Kelly was so insistent that she have the party lifestyle that Kelly so enjoys.  Maybe her mom is finally able to sit down and read a book without the constant nagging.

[Taralightner]

Thoughts about the episode:

Archie is a star. But, what’s good for the goose is good for the golden. He must account for his sh*t on the reunion. He can bring his wubby for support. 

I think tonight’s Shannon is getting back to what made her a favorite. Good for her... she’s handling this with grace imo. 

Eddie- I’m praying for his health. 

Tamra- not completely unwatchable. 

Vicki- it’s all about appearances as usual. It’s not enough that Steve lives there. He must formally change the address so that there is public record. 

Kelly- her interactions with her daughter make me upset and sick to my stomach. Jolie needs to be in therapy- she’s got two parents that are unstable IMO. I HOPE she (Jolie) is ok in the long run.

Also, she’s screaming “push her off.” This is just another showing of who she really is. This was a TRUST building exercise. In all fairness, I liked how she encouraged Shannon by saying, “it will be good for your girls to see this.”  She should consider that in her own life. 

Not enough time with the new wife. Can’t remember her name right now and don’t care enough to go find out what it is.  We’ll see.  

That’s my recap... 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Taralightner
Run on sentence issues

[WireWrap]

3 hours ago, Lizzing said:

Kelly said she downsized to a 2 bedroom place, right?  So where does Jerri Blank her mother live now?

The new woman seems to be trying too hard to be unique, when I have to strongly suspect (since she was Tamra's party planner years ago) she's been trying hard to get a spot on this cast for a long while. And, while it is probably way too early to even make this prediction, I suspect she's gonna pull a Kelsey her husband if she does well this season.   Maybe she'll prove me wrong, and at least she's not Peggy or Lydia.

I really do hope that Eddie gets better; despite his major character flaw (marrying Tamra), he seems like one of the better husbands in all the franchises. 

The rumor, on several blog sites, was that Kelly and her family had a falling out when she filed for divorce from Michael. I guess they sided with him, not her.

[Taralightner]

2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

The rumor, on several blog sites, was that Kelly and her family had a falling out when she filed for divorce from Michael. I guess they sided with him, not her.

Ouch. 

[ghoulina]

So Steve is "living" with Vicki now? "Living" in a very Carrie Bradshaw way....where he still keeps his bachelor pad. Hell, I can't say I blame him. If I were dating Vicki, I'd need a place to run away to.....every 5 minutes. 

I don't get those two. She's just desperate, that I get. Notice she says, "I want a husband". A HUSBAND. Nothing specific about Steve. But he does not seem into her at all? So what's his angle? 

 

Jolie seems to have GROWN UP over night. I mean, she looks three years older from last season. But she still isn't an adult. So Vicki and Kelly need to can the adult talk, especially about her father, right in front of the kid. 

Kelly seems to be LOVING single life...can't be bothered to do math, pass me another shot....

 

....Meanwhile, Shannon is clearly struggling. Sigh. Shannon is whacko sometimes, but I feel for her. I'd have a hard time taking off the ring myself. I totally got what it meant, about it representing her entire family and not just David. I hope she can start to move forward and enjoy herself soon. 

Her kids already seem to be playing that divorce game. "I'll just ask dad". Egads, what a mess. 

I would not put it past David to have been hitting up this chick before they separated. And I'm a TOTAL SM stalker. My girlfriend's ex is with a new girl? Oh, I'd be all over her FB and IG. But I wouldn't TELL my girlfriend. I wouldn't rub salt in the wound. Tamra just can't help herself, can she? 

 

Eddie's a-fib sounded scary. I can't imagine my heart going like that just from ordinary activities. Mine skips beats from time to time and it's done so my whole life, but I'm still freaked out by it. So I can't imagine that racing feeling on the regular. Yuck. Heart stuff is always scary. 

That being said, I felt her tears with Ryan were fake. Notice how quickly her tone changed as soon as Vicki called. 

And, speaking of, why did Vicki offer to bring juice and not a freaking CASSEROLE????

 

No thoughts on the new girl yet. Time will tell. 

[nexxie]

Shannon saying her ring represented her family, not just marriage, sort of makes sense considering she got pregnant on her honeymoon. Can we see her and the girls struggle in 1000 sq ft next year?

It was fun to watch the OC cast having fun together - but the idea of “trusting” with these women seems silly unless this is your first episode. I sure wouldn’t trust them!

Edited July 17, 2018 by nexxie

[ghoulina]

9 hours ago, BloggerAloud said:

My favorite moment was Shannon acting like living in a 4,000 square foot house was like was some Dickensian plot twist of misfortune. It's that kind of stuff that keeps me coming back to these shows.

YESSSS. I love Shannon, but girl...get some perspective. My house isn't even half the size of hers and I've got 5 people and a dog. We're just fine. 

 

8 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

I hate that it seems like everyone loves Vicki again. TPTB can keep showing lighthearted Vicki scenes, but she will never be redeemed for me. 

This. I get that friendships wax and wane on this show. But what Vicki did was unforgivable to me. I wouldn't get over that. I wanted to see her like Phaedra - crossed the line and sent packing. But she's the very most original housewife in all of housewifedom, so I guess we're stuck with her. 

 

8 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

I could watch the montage of Vicki's various accidents on a loop.

YES!!!! But did they skip the football to the head in Havasu? I love that one!!!

[Gem 10]

10 hours ago, KLJ said:

Totally the funniest part of the show.  Ryan even looked less creepy too.

I’m going through a lot in my life right now, so what Shannon is going through is somewhat  familiar, and after watching her I I just hope I’m handling it better and not coming across as annoying and self-centered than she is right now.

That zip lining did not look fun. It looked totally shaky and like it was going to fall over when they each did their zip line towards the end. No thanks!!

So does Vicki have her facelift during the season?  Sometimes she looks puffy and other times fine. 

Well, good luck, and keep strong !  Good things will come. Xo

Edited July 17, 2018 by Gem 10

[Gem 10]

12 hours ago, Pickles said:

It looked really unappealing. Scrambled egg whites and turkey bacon? Ick.

Egg yolks won’t make you fat, but vodka with a twist will, you dummy.

[bosawks]

If this zip line episode was at the end of the season I  would have honestly thought that it was Andy's way of culling the herd without actually having to go through the tedium of firing someone....

[jenifaohjenny]

3 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

LOL they do have the same eyes.  Why was it a big deal anyway that he pooped in the yard?  Where else is a dog to poop, in the toilet?  (Frankly I'd rather pick up yard-poop than share a bathroom with a dog)

The show is so much better without Lydia and Pegs- iffy on the new girl - if your life or freedom depended on how well your lawyer did her job, would you want someone who plans parties on the side?

I miss Meghan- without her, this group's collective IQ has dropped substantially.

I 100% completely forgot about Meghan!  Guess I did not miss her at all...

[SuprSuprElevated]

Yeah, that dog poo.  If Archie is really squatting every 12" - 15" and dropping one turd per squat, then she should have him seen by a doggie gastroenterologist.  I pity the production assistant tasked with that set design.

[Pondlass1]

That ropes course looked genuinely scary.  But I had to smile at the smirk on the face of the owner guy while they were all screeching and squealing like banshees.

I don't know what's going on with false eyelashes on 'reality' shows these days.   I'm hoping for a false eyelash free zone this season.  Last season poor Tamra couldn't even hold her eyes open.  It's a fad that should die.

[Gem 10]

12 hours ago, ChitChat said:

Yeah, I wouldn't have wanted to zip line on that cable.  Even the pole wobbled that they did their jump from.  Mr. Chat and I just did our first zip line adventure and it was made of up an ascending obstacle course (a very long obstacle course!) Looking at the course from the ground, it didn't look that high up, but if you have a fear of heights (raises hand), then just 15-20 feet up feels a lot higher.  I had several "what the hell am I doing here" moments just like Shannon.  The grand finale on ours consisted of climbing up a 70 foot rope ladder (while hooked on,)  then zip lining 700 feet across a lake, then hugging the tree while on that tall platform and poking my head in a cloud (just kidding), then zip lining 500 feet to the finish.  It really did make us feel good that we got through it.  Mr. Chat was much braver!   I checked the cables wrapped around the trees each leg of the course, and they were on there tight.  Nothing like that zip line the ladies just did.  That was not smooth at all!

That was my WTF moment for the ladies.  Didn't Tamara also say that her new house is 4000 sq. ft?  I couldn't hear the number clearly.  We once "upsized" to a 2200 sq ft house, and I thought that was a lot!   We're now at about 1700 sq ft, so I'm expecting a casserole from you fine folks for the suffering I'm enduring in my "tiny home!"  lol.  Seriously, it's just the right fit for us.  I begrudge no one whatever size house they want, but to hear the ladies whine about downsizing to 4000 sq. ft. was laughable.  Speaking of huge homes, I wish we could've seen the Dubrow's mansion when it was done.

I don’t get that Dubrow house at all.  What’s next when she gets tired of it?  Is it the biggest house inCalifornia, or is the “Spellman” mansion?

[JennyMominFL]

10 hours ago, Lynnlynnlynn586 said:

No Kelly makes my skin crawl when she even talks i am easygoing and usally i like all the housewives but Kelly can go away...just sayin

For me, kelly is the Brandi of the OC HW

[Giselle]

17 hours ago, AnnA said:

I don't disagree!  

I'm just happy that Lydia is gone!

ETA:    I like having the episode discussion thread open.   I never understood why some are locked until 9pm.

And Peggy! 

God I couldn't stand her!

[Giselle]

14 hours ago, Fiero425 said:

I'm 61 and would have turned tail right away! I'd probably pull something trying to balance and catch myself! Forget it! ;-)

I'd probably break something just looking at it. I've been accident prone all my life but I still do the fun stuff. Life is to short. This year I'm going skydiving on my birthday!

Edited July 17, 2018 by Giselle
I to I'd

[Giselle]

14 hours ago, ivygirl said:

Archie is so typical. “Who me? That poop?”

My cat has the same attitude and response to soggy hairballs and mushy hunting victims left for me to step on in the middle of the night.

[OFDgal]

11 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Big mouth Kelly isn't raising a daughter, she has a roommate who just happens to be 13 or whatever she is.  

These women screech for sport.  I don't see me sticking with this show.  I didn't watch last year, and it's not looking good for this year.

 

I wonder where her other roommates, her mother and brother, went when they sold the house.

[psychoticstate]

My satellite went out 15 min before the end but I was barely conscious anyhow.  What a snoozefest.

Ryan is still creepy.  Vicki is still needy.  Kelly is still crazy.  Shannon is still stuck on her marriage and shellshocked over downsizing to only 4,000 square feet.  Tamra put her extensions back in?  That's pretty much all I've got.

[Giselle]

8 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

My satellite went out 15 min before the end but I was barely conscious anyhow.  What a snoozefest.

Ryan is still creepy.  Vicki is still needy.  Kelly is still crazy.  Shannon is still stuck on her marriage and shellshocked over downsizing to only 4,000 square feet.  Tamra put her extensions back in?  That's pretty much all I've got.

You forgot Eddie still doesn't give a shit for or about Vicki. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

13 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

I'm annoyed that I had to wait 40 minutes to see my boyfriend Archie.  But did he gain weight?  Maybe he was eating all the extra food Shannon cut back on.

Kelly is so pretty.  I keep forgetting this bc of how mean she is, but today she wasn't.  Hope it lasts.

i was laughing hysterically when they were all sobbing on the roles course- especially when Vicki started screaming about her finger.  I hope Shannon did that on purpose, or at least subconsciously so.

(I majored in math, mostly because it so much easier than other subjects for me. But it's cool because I get to play with data and spreadsheets for a living)

Sorry about the fat-shaming, Archie.  We still cool?

I could spell my way out of just about any life-or-death situation, but don't ask me to divide two in half, and consistantly get the correct answer.

[WireWrap]

45 minutes ago, OFDgal said:

I wonder where her other roommates, her mother and brother, went when they sold the house.

According to the tabloids/blogs, her mother/brother sided with Michael when they got divorced, so she no longer speaks to them.

[zenme]

Wow. My daughter would have to do something completely heinous in order to get me against her. That's awful. I hope this isn't money related.

[lamujerdecente]

I really despise Vicki. She is unattractive, needy, desperate, a bigot and a big hypocrite. She is not entertaining in the slightest and I wish Andy would fire this ass. Now if he followed her real cam style while she reacts to being fired I would watch. 

I like eddie and I hope he’s ok. My mom had heart issues early and well she’s not here anymore :-( 

i hope he pulls through. Tams is a pretty woman and the bod is fab but she looks so stretched out in the face. It’s a little frightening. 

I kinda enjoy the two storylines about divorce. 

One kelly is so happy to be free and then the juxtaposition of Shannon so hurt over the divorce. Girl that marriage was toxoc and  it had been toxic. One day you will realize that. 

It reminds me of my cousin who is getting divorced. She is David in that scenario. Happy to be free and moving on on social media. 

I feel sometimes peolle use the kids excuse to stay together but it’s often they don’t want to be alone. Kids are smart they know when a marriage isn’t working. 

Edited July 17, 2018 by lamujerdecente

[Giselle]

15 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

According to the tabloids/blogs, her mother/brother sided with Michael when they got divorced, so she no longer speaks to them.

Follow the money.... just saying....

[SuprSuprElevated]

12 minutes ago, lamujerdecente said:

Kids are smart they know when a marriage isn’t working. 

Absolutely, and to me, the kids are better off shuttling between two happier parents, than staying under the same roof as two parents that are constantly at each other.  I can only imagine the difficulties of divorce.  I know it's not easy, either way.  My parents were the latter, never divorced, and looking back, I wonder how it may have changed some things.  Never know.

[biakbiak]

4 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Steve is "living" with Vicki now? "Living" in a very Carrie Bradshaw way....where he still keeps his bachelor pad. Hell, I can't say I blame him. If I were dating Vicki, I'd need a place to run away to.....every 5 minutes. 

He probably is living there because the Anaheim address is some place he never lived, he was just using it ao he could run for office in what he felt was a more favorable district. It didn’t work and he got his ass kicked.

[bichonblitz]

14 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Kelly isn't raising a daughter, she has a roommate who just happens to be 13 or whatever she is.  

It was strange to have her daughter is several scenes. I hope that doesn't become a habit. Kelly should be able to come up with enough storyline to keep her daughter out of it. Plus, it bores me. If I were going to have dinner with my friend and she brought her young daughter along I wouldn't be thrilled. 

Edited July 17, 2018 by bichonblitz

[Duke2801]

Oh my god Vickie’s face! It’s very... upsetting. More upsetting, though, is her palpable desperation to get married again. So sad and off-putting. Do we think she’s paying Steve to date her? 

Everything about that ropes course looked horrifying. I’ve gone zip lining in the Rockies and that was less scary than that janky setup they had on the show. LMAO at the poster said it could have been Andy’s way of culling the heard. Would not put it past him. 

Yay for the return of my favorite Housewives character- Archie the dog! ?

Edited July 18, 2018 by Duke2801

[OldButHappy]

5 hours ago, ghoulina said:

 

14 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

I hate that it seems like everyone loves Vicki again. TPTB can keep showing lighthearted Vicki scenes, but she will never be redeemed for me. 

This. I get that friendships wax and wane on this show. But what Vicki did was unforgivable to me. I wouldn't get over that. I wanted to see her like Phaedra - crossed the line and sent packing. But she's the very most original housewife in all of housewifedom, so I guess we're stuck with her. 

 

I can't watch the show anymore.  I tried a couple of times last season, but never made it through a whole episode.  The drunken screeching was embarrassing (as a woman slightly older than these knuckleheads, I hate seeing my peers shown in such a vain and vapid light).  And Vicki's redemption arc was the final straw.

I do, however, have a (probably unhealthy!) need to keep up on the show, so I love reading the comments here on the RHOC threads.  'Back to lurking.......

Edited July 17, 2018 by OldButHappy
added an omitted word...

[SuprSuprElevated]

Just now, OldButHappy said:

I can't watch the show anymore.  I tried a couple of times last season, but never made it through a whole episode.  The drunken screeching was embarrassing (as a woman slightly older than these knuckleheads, I hate seeing my peers shown in such a vain and vapid light).  And Vicki's redemption arc was the final straw.

I do, however, have a (probably unhealthy!) need to keep up on the show, so I love reading the comments on the RHOC threads.  'Back to lurking.......

^All^of^this^

Though on a scale of nasty to felonious, faking cancer & cosigning the fakery might not be quite as bad as fabricating a rape story, I too think it should have been cause for dismissal.  I have to believe that the fact that VG is an original castmember of the original franchise is the only thing that saved her lumpy ass.  She is despicable.

Edited July 17, 2018 by SuprSuprElevated

[Mindthinkr]

I actually liked the ropes course. For my birthday (61st) my grandchildren took me to a ropes course and it went over 30’ up. My daughter got to the first platform (12’) and went right back down...fear of heights. I was scared too but then I saw the look on the grandsons faces. They too were thinking of retreat so I looked at them and said off we go. I got all the way up there with the youngest child (middle child stopped at 20’) but I wasn’t about to let them think that I was a quitter and to show them you have to take chances. Now I’m glad I did it. Never again but I would zip line  

Kelly was so wrong saying “Push her off”. You need to be encouraging and supportive. I guess she came from the school of being thrown into the deep end to sink or swim. I don’t think she’d make a good friend after hearing that. At least not someone that I would trust. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

4 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Kelly was so wrong saying “Push her off”. You need to be encouraging and supportive. I guess she came from the school of being thrown into the deep end to sink or swim. I don’t think she’d make a good friend after hearing that. At least not someone that I would trust. 

human

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, Giselle said:

Follow the money.... just saying....

Possible, very possible but I suspect it was so that Kelly had help caring for their daughter when Kelly had to film more than anything else. The brother only "lived" with then her first season, for the storyline and nothing more IMO.

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

Vicki should have went to Steve's plastic surgeon.  She looks like she got hit in the face with bag of nickels.