S10.E12: Every Mayflower Has Its Thorn

[TexasGal]

 

Hope no one is monitoring my internet activity today...this one has deer but they look nothing like the deer head on Sonja's shoes.

[zenme]

I think I'd be interested in purchasing Sonja's product if I could put my own monogram or family crest on them--not that I have one. I'm sure if we do it's probably a sombrero'd jalapeño and a bottle of beer. 

[TexasGal]

1 minute ago, zenme said:

I think I'd be interested in purchasing Sonja's product if I could put my own monogram or family crest on them--not that I have one. I'm sure if we do it's probably a sombrero'd jalapeño and a bottle of beer. 

Sonja could invent one for you!  It would probably involve Wesson oil and huge napkins.

[ancslove]

I’m not sure the Morgan family really warrants a crest, anyway.  They aren’t aristocracy!  

[KungFuBunny]

Sonja: I have a HUGE responsibility and I'm not letting this family DOWN

Well, I won't let anything down except for my dress, tops and panties

[zenme]

KingFuBunny, my thoughts exactly. She's an embarrassment! Between the horny old lady routine, the washing underwear in the bidet, and the images above... She's an embarrassment. Not to mention the bankruptcy, broken down mansion, and stuff like saving the gold paper, etc., she doesn't make the Morgans LOOK money smart. 

[KungFuBunny]

20 minutes ago, zenme said:

I think I'd be interested in purchasing Sonja's product if I could put my own monogram or family crest on them--not that I have one. I'm sure if we do it's probably a sombrero'd jalapeño and a bottle of beer. 

Couldn't find a sombrero

Edited June 21, 2018 by KungFuBunny

[ZaldamoWilder]

6 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Lu had a ton of books in her little apartment! I always love to see fully stocked bookshelves. 

I liked hearing Lu recount the events of "the night". She didn't seem to be downplaying anything, but at the same time she is able to laugh at how ridiculous she was being. She realized it was a mistake to go to Palm Beach and I appreciate her trying to abstain from drinking. I don't know if that will last, but I don't necessarily think Lu has a problem with alcohol. She's always been a partier, but seemed to be able to control herself. I think the situation with Tom caused her to overdo it, in attempts to mask her pain. Hopefully it was a one time thing. 

Her disdain over the bologna sandwich was a bit much, though. 

Oh, and how nice and protective of Dorinda to want the alcohol moved into HER room. 

Man, Ramona was laying it on THICK with Lu at the start of the episode. That, to me, shows that she does have a guilty conscience over the Tom thing. But then she turns around and acts like it was no big deal and she didn't do anything wrong. Then, when others try to point out why it was wrong, she goes full on Ramona. *shrug* "Eh, I wasn't even invited to the wedding." So you're not good friends then? Then why were showering her with praise and attention a few hours earlier?

That's the Ramona Coaster. She did the same thing to Bethenny last year. Suck up. Deflect. Go for the jugular. 

 

I was on Bethenny's side about the rooms. If everyone shows up at roughly the same time, wait and pick rooms together. But it looked like the final three came quite a bit later. I would not just want to hang in the lobby. I'd want to settle in, change, freshen up. Get the grime of the road off of me. 

 

I was not on my girl's side about the coat of arms thing. Sonja is NOT a Morgan. She chose to retain the last name, but she also chose to leave the family. And I doubt any of them consider her some sort of asset they can't afford to lose. 

Sonja is nothing, if not delusional. It is fairly odd that she would put the Morgan family crest on her shoes. Girl's gotta make a buck I guess. Judging from how she was hoarding the food back to her room, I'd wager homegirl is starving. 

Lol!  Now this, I don't fault her for.  Wherever bologna/e is described in print as meat, meat must appear in quotations.  

 

6 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I like them together too! The face masks. With the glasses over them. Lifting the mask to scrape the tongue. I was dying!

I think Bethenny gets frustrated with Sonja's delusions, but I think she's always had a soft spot for her. 

Except she seems to replacing booze by stuffing every morsel of food she sees in her mouth. (Reminds me of the The Situation on the Jersey Shore revival. Don't judge!)

Hey tv sister! hey boo, heeeyyyyyy.   It's trash but I still can't take my eyes off em.

 

4 hours ago, abbottrabbit said:

I love you for reminding me of this:

She did rent the apartment furnished, but the books do look lovely. And the first time she showed the place (in the pre-arrest episode walkthrough) I thought that it would actually be great to know someone who rented an apartment that came with a lot of books -- that way I can enjoy judging the owner's taste in books and not feel bad about judging my friend. 

And her recounting to Dorinda was GREAT.  

Sonja goes to every housewife event for the same reason I went to every department party in grad school -- the free food. And she probably leaves the same way I did back in the day too -- with her purse full of cheese cubes. 

 

44 minutes ago, ancslove said:

Ramona might have a leg to stand on regarding Tom, if she didn’t immediately fawn all over Luann, touting the great virtues of loyalty and friendship and supporting your girlfriends.  Ramona prides herself on being a great friend and uplifting other women, but she’ll throw that over in favor of a hot party with juicy gossip.  Look how she keeps inviting Missy to events!

This.   She came through practically singing the Golden Girls theme song.   So look here, if your heart is true, you really are a pal and a confidante?  Whatchu gone do is open exactly the way Sonja did.   There's no need to call whenever you see my ex, what the hell for?   And there probably isn't a need to call me out the blue saying he invited you somewhere.  But the next time we cross paths and you see I'm doing well, without me asking, sit next to me on the couch woman to woman, hello-Barbara?-this-is-Shirley-style and real smooth voice tell me what's up.    I don't waste too many words of praise on Sonja, but that?  Respect.   The difference is this other bitch wasn't invited, she was trying to invite herself.   No matter what Lu's mistakes were, she doesn't deserve a woman claiming to be her friend still trying to hang out with a man, whom she herself, describes as no fucking good.      

To wit:  

6 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Just for the record, I DON'T think Ramona owes Lu anything. She knew Tom before Lu. But then don't come around, "Our friends sustain us, I have been thinking about you so much, I'll do anything for you, blah blah blah" and then turn around and say, "eh, I don't see the big deal. We're not even really friends."

Pick a [fucking] lane.

That goes for Carole's ole two-faced ass too.   Although, forgive me ya'll it's been 13 days since my last confession.   When she said let's just be honest that dress was the real crime.  I cackled louder than necessary.   I actually didn't think she was being serious in her fashion criticism, because Carole, really girl? rather than using an irresistible opportunity to make a joke.   I hope we find out at the reunion, but I'd bet money that when Lu heard it, she laughed.  

3 hours ago, Amyreebo said:

Can I just say....Not only is Ramona Singer the most inherently selfish person I've ever seen...I mean...she's clearly a narcicist as is....but she seems to fit the criteria, to be diagnosed as an actual sociopath as well!!

Firstly, some of the choices she makes & the actions she displays, are so completely oblivious to the feelings of any other person alive....(beside herself that it)....that it really is, a spectacle to watch!! ......It's like, step right up folks & see the woman with no soul.... she absolutely infuriates me...right down to my very core!!!

But then, she compounds her already shitty behaviour, by jumping straight on the defensive, when confronted by others around her, questioning why she did or said particular things, thereby forcing whichever person that SHE has shit on, having to explain to HER, (step by step), WHY it wasnt an acceptable way to treat THEM that way in the first place!!! ..Like.... what the AF???? If she's smart enough to be as successful as she's always claiming she is...why then, does she need to have her behaviour explained to her, in terms a 4 year old would understand, if shes a grown woman without a mental impairment???

Answer is....SHE DOESN'T! 

Because its not that she needs to be taught that actions have consequences..... she already knows they do...that's a lesson everyone learns in early childhood....but she CHOSE to act that way regardless! She understands what the consequence could be, but doesnt care enough about the consequence she might suffer (or alternatively....justifies her actions to herself by claiming they were altruistic) to stop her actions in the first place!! 

.....AND EVEN THEN... although she might eventually be badgered into admitting how her actions are an UNACCEPTABLE and INCONSIDERATE way to treat other people.....she is still so completely fkn devoid, of any real remorse over it, that I don't understand why she even admits she shouldn't have acted that way in the first place!!!! It's obviously just her way of stopping any further conversation about it at that point, coz she's decided she's over discussing it & it matters very little to her anyway, so case closed, convo over! 

She must either be a cyborg...which would explain her total lack of empathy and/or human emotional maturity.....OR....she's just that completely self serving, that it's rendered her devoid of any ability to use normal human behaviour in her dealings with others, as she clearly has such limited experience in doing so in the past!!!! 

There are four types of people in the world

People that are good people at heart, they know they're good & and are good in their actions

People that are bad people at heart, they know theyre bad & and are bad in their actions

People that are good people at heart, they know they're good, but have chosen bad actions

And lastly....People that are bad people at heart, that THINK they're good & can rationalise any action they've taken as justifiable regardless of how bad it might be.....Ramona is this kind!!! The worse of all personality types!!! 

I can't fucking stand this bitch! 

Girl?

 

 

 

 

 

 

16 hours ago, Sheenieb said:

Dorinda needs to stop. She's monopolizing pain and it's gross. Who the hell cares that Sonja is wearing the Morgan family crest on her shoes? Like, is that going to ruin your day, Doris? Bethenny had her dead to rights when she called her out on the monogrammed luggage and keeping the Medley name. Mind your business, lady.

Ain't nobody searching for your mugshot, Tinsley!

Oh, to resist arrest, run from the cops, and live to tell the tale.

I promise I love you for this.   49% of me wants to laugh at the bittersweetness of it.     The other 51.  You'll see more of this if you watch World News Tonight, tonight with David Muir.  On Tuesday in Pittsburgh, PA, my daughter's boyfriend's best friend was shot by a police officer who'd been on the job merely hours.   I was about to say it was because he ran from the cops during a traffic stop.  More accurately, the because is: a black "man" ran from the cops during a traffic stop.   His name was Antwon Rose.  He graduated from a ceremony I was supposed to attend on June 7th.  He was 17 years old.     My daughter asked if she and her bf could take my car and go on an ice cream run.   I said no.    Lemme get back to some regularly scheduled foolishness before I bust out bawling.   The point is, the option to cut a whole entire fool talking to the police is an honor.  Lu should feel special. 

[rhys]

What i found funny was Dorinda's comment about wearing Ralph's tartan. She was admitting she knew about it.

[KungFuBunny]

Luann: I didn't kick the police. I closed a door on one BY ACCIDENT

Oh....LuuuuuAnn

I guess you told all of the cops you were going to kill them all by accident too

[sasha206]

24 minutes ago, WhoaWhoKnew said:

Yes, that was the original hook, but now it's let's watch a group of unstable women act a fool.

Sonja has never truly tried to build a brand. She has tried to make a quick buck off her name, but she never wanted to put in the actual work to do it and it showed.  She refused to listen to the advice of at least 3 (4 if you count Harry) people who have been successful at what she was trying accomplish. She decided that a group of "brand enhancers" (or whatever they called themselves) she found from who knows where were more knowledgeable than Bethenny, Heather, and Josh. Probably because that crew told her what she wanted to hear, which was that they would do all the heavy lifting and Sonja Morgan New York would be in Barney's and Bergdorf Goodman. This is not hyperbole, I truly believe Sonja thought she would be on the same level as Gucci, Versace, Hermes, Chanel, etc., overnight with little to no effort on her part.

Her charitable efforts in the LGBT community are non existent, imo. Her marriage equality rally speech that she hijacked from Simon and Alex was complete babbling nonsense and it was clear she just wanted to be fawned over by "her gays" and hear herself talk. 

All very good points!

I find the Sonja of this season and last embarrassing.  And she's clearly delusional.  I just don't think she deserves the hatred Dorinda gives her.  She seems like a puppy that Dorinda is kicking.  And I used to love Dorinda.  There are times I still do.  But she seems to be every bit the embarrassment that Sonja is, without the overt sexuality.  If I were Dorinda's family members, I'd be pretty concerned with some of her behavior displayed -- particularly the drunken fights and sloppy drunk toasts.

[Rap541]

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Unpopular opinion here but I don't see the big deal with Ramona and the party. LuAnne wasn't very nice to anyone last season who dared criticize Tom. She said they were all jealous and desperate. She excluded people from the wedding. Then when it all blows up, she expects ride or die loyalty. Nope. 

Yeah - everyone warned her, hell, I think Ramona warned her, and Luann was nasty and dismissive to everyone and did pointedly exclude people from the wedding. And honestly, Luann has always looked down at Ramona. I mean, what housewife ho code is being broken?

[TexasGal]

20 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

I promise I love you for this.   49% of me wants to laugh at the bittersweetness of it.     The other 51.  You'll see more of this if you watch World News Tonight, tonight with David Muir.  On Tuesday in Pittsburgh, PA, my daughter's boyfriend's best friend was shot by a police officer who'd been on the job merely hours.   I was about to say it was because he ran from the cops during a traffic stop.  More accurately, the because is: a black "man" ran from the cops during a traffic stop.   His name was Antwon Rose.  He graduated from a ceremony I was supposed to attend on June 7th.  He was 17 years old.     My daughter asked if she and her bf could take my car and go on an ice cream run.   I said no.    Lemme get back to some regularly scheduled foolishness before I bust out bawling.   The point is, the option to cut a whole entire fool talking to the police is an honor.  Lu should feel special. 

Damn, that is wrong in every way.  It feels wrong to like your post but <hugs>.

[sasha206]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

That's the only thing I can think of. Yet they seemed to bounce back from that and bond really well in PR. I don't know...could it really be the stupid Nutcracker "thank you" gate? She did seem to let people rile her up about that. Maybe it took awhile for the "drunk" comment to sink in? 

That is true, they did bounce back.  I think there's a part of her that knows Beth's power and wants to stay in her good graces.  But when Ramona and Carole were suddenly talking about how she doesn't support women, she joined in.  She probably used their anger to deflect Beth's accurate comments on her drinking.  Clearly, after the episode aired, Dorinda was pissed about the "drunk" comment.

From her Twitter feeds, I think Dorinda prides herself in the character she's created on RHONY.  She seems proud of her angry outbursts and the positive feedback "Now well bitch" (which I did find funny) and other comments.  I used to think she had some self-awareness, but I don't think she does about drinking.

[ghoulina]

29 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Hey tv sister! hey boo, heeeyyyyyy.   It's trash but I still can't take my eyes off em.

Am I the only one who has considered a RHNY/JS crossover? They could all meet up in Miami! The big question - which "guido" would Lu go for?

 

7 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

Yeah - everyone warned her, hell, I think Ramona warned her, and Luann was nasty and dismissive to everyone and did pointedly exclude people from the wedding. And honestly, Luann has always looked down at Ramona. I mean, what housewife ho code is being broken?

The code SHE, Ramona, tried to invoke just hours earlier; when she was in Lu's room, waxing poetic about how female friendships are the most important thing in life and she'd do ANYTHING for Lu. 

On the whole, I don't care if she went to Tom's party, begged for invite, etc. But she's so fucking two-faced. That's what gets me. 

Edited June 21, 2018 by ghoulina

[RedheadZombie]

7 hours ago, mwell345 said:

LOL - I've noticed the same thing.  I wonder about her financial situation - what she has to live on day to day, because it seems that the food at these events constitute her only meal of the day.

She never has a problem getting her placenta and gold facials.  She uses her money for nonessentials, and skimps on the essentials.  Remember when she had the tooth that randomly flew out of her mouth?  How much would it have cost to fix that professionally?  One facial?  

[weaver]

I don't think anyone at JPMorgan is going to get upset over this detail from the not famous Morgan crest.   Besides, the daughter likes it, and she IS a Morgan.  Old JAM is not even on the board of JPM and never has been to my knowledge.  

 

Edited June 21, 2018 by weaver

[Rap541]

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The code SHE, Ramona, tried to invoke just hours earlier; when she was in Lu's room, waxing poetic about how female friendships are the most important thing in life and she'd do ANYTHING for Lu. 

That's not a ho code, that's more of a guideline, really. ;)

[ghoulina]

6 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

That's not a ho code, that's more of a guideline, really. ;)

I don't know WHAT you'd call it. 

I'll just call it the "Ramona's so full of shit" schpiel. 

[Marley]

I actually do agree with Dorinda that keeping your dead husbands name and wearing around your ex husbands family crest is different. Especially when it was a bad divorce. The only thing is that Dorinda is being so mean about it and Sonja is obv not all there mentally so I can’t be on Dorindas side. Also who cares what she’s doing anyways it’s not hurting anyone.

I don’t mind Bethenny but she was really rude when they first got to hotel and she couldn’t wait for the others to go get a room. Who cares just wait a bit.

Ramona is obnoxious and prob not a great friend but she just makes me laugh I can’t help it lol.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, coops said:

Which is why they have limited success apart from Bethenny who, like you say, was no little peasant girl before she hit it big with skinny girl. The tragedy of someone like Sonja, however much I love her and however much I find her adorable, is that her biggest success in life was marrying a Morgan. There will be no 'back to where she was' for her. That was it, she hit the big time when she married him and now she isn't married to him all that lavish lifestyle is long gone. Maybe she'll get it back her her ex husband dies and her daughter inherits but most of the wealth and lifestyles these women have is all because they married someone rich. 

As for Sonja having the family crest on her slippers, honestly, who cares? I think Dorinda is at the point now where she hates Sonja so much every little thing about Sonja annoys her, so something that is a little silly or trivial is something which, in Dorinda's mind, merits getting commented on and talked down to about. The irony of the entire situation is that it's Bethenny who comes rallying to Sonja's defense when their whole feud started because Bethenny hated Sonja and so Dorinda wouldn't have Sonja at her house over the holidays. Fast forward a couple of seasons and Bethenny's playing the big hero by standing up to Sonja. Hey, B, you wanna be a real hero? Built a time machine, use it, go back and simmer down about the whole Tipsy Girl saga and you won't need to come riding in on a bright white horse every time Sonja gets in the neck from Doris.

It was that uninviting of Sonja that started the war between Sonja and Dorinda. Sonja never forgave Dorinda for uninviting her no matter how many times Dorinda apologized/explained what happened and then Sonja proceeded to go to page six with all sorts of gossip/lies about Dorinda/John which they printed. Now, 3 seasons later, it is Dorinda that refuses to move on but Sonja hasn't apologized to her nor has she stopped feeding the stories/lies to page six either. Oh, and Bethenny never admitted to Sonja that she was the one that started that whole shebang either.

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

I agree with this. Wasn't B in tears when they had it out in her office about TG? I think she likely did feel betrayed by that. Later, she probably realized Sonja had been a bit duped herself, and wa able to let it go. 

 

When did she and Tom break up?

No, Sonja was the one in tears and Bethenny was still slamming Sonja over TG last season as well, so Bethenny isn't really over it as much as TG never went anywhere. Trust and believe that had TG made it to store shelves, Bethenny would still not be speaking to Sonja.

40 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Luann: I didn't kick the police. I closed a door on one BY ACCIDENT

Oh....LuuuuuAnn

I guess you told all of the cops you were going to kill them all by accident too

Luann said that she didn't mean to hit the officer with the door but that she close the door to avoid getting arrested. 

[BodhiGurl]

59 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

I promise I love you for this.   49% of me wants to laugh at the bittersweetness of it.     The other 51.  You'll see more of this if you watch World News Tonight, tonight with David Muir.  On Tuesday in Pittsburgh, PA, my daughter's boyfriend's best friend was shot by a police officer who'd been on the job merely hours.   I was about to say it was because he ran from the cops during a traffic stop.  More accurately, the because is: a black "man" ran from the cops during a traffic stop.   His name was Antwon Rose.  He graduated from a ceremony I was supposed to attend on June 7th.  He was 17 years old.     My daughter asked if she and her bf could take my car and go on an ice cream run.   I said no.    Lemme get back to some regularly scheduled foolishness before I bust out bawling.   The point is, the option to cut a whole entire fool talking to the police is an honor.  Lu should feel special. 

(my bolding)

I'm so sorry :( 

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, Marley said:

I actually do agree with Dorinda that keeping your dead husbands name and wearing around your ex husbands family crest is different. Especially when it was a bad divorce. The only thing is that Dorinda is being so mean about it and Sonja is obv not all there mentally so I can’t be on Dorindas side. Also who cares what she’s doing anyways it’s not hurting anyone.

I don’t mind Bethenny but she was really rude when they first got to hotel and she couldn’t wait for the others to go get a room. Who cares just wait a bit.

Ramona is obnoxious and prob not a great friend but she just makes me laugh I can’t help it lol.

I honestly don't think Dorinda cares what Sonja does except for the fact that Sonja is selling giving stories about Dorinda (and the others) to page six, so she feels that she needs to show Sonja as a liar and a user to counter the lies/gossip in the tabloids. Sadly, at this stage, it make Dorinda look like the aggressor when it is actually Sonja.

[Persnickety1]

7 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I like them together too! The face masks. With the glasses over them. Lifting the mask to scrape the tongue. I was dying!

I think Bethenny gets frustrated with Sonja's delusions, but I think she's always had a soft spot for her. 

Except she seems to replacing booze by stuffing every morsel of food she sees in her mouth. (Reminds me of the The Situation on the Jersey Shore revival. Don't judge!)

I've been catching up on older seasons courtesy of Hulu, and you would be correct.

At least twice in previous seasons, following a blow out with Sonja, Bethenny has stated she gets over it because she just genuinely likes Sonja. 

And out of this shark tank, in spite of her flaws, Sonja does interestingly does seem to be perhaps the most trustworthy of the group.  Well, as trustworthy as any of RH can be.  

In the minority here, but I think Dorinda is more pissed off about hearing that Sonja referred to her as "fat" more than she is about the divorce/widow grieving debate.

She was gunning for Sonja for that alleged "fat" comment even before the brunch and the verbal altercation ensued.

And speaking of Dorinda, she certainly seems to keep tabs on Sonja's sex life.  Of course, if I had John in my bed, I'd probably rather think about people's apparently active sex lives than my own sex life, too.

Luann looked absolutely stunning all through this episode.  I've always thought she was the most striking of all the housewives across the franchise and she looks even better now than she did in season 1.  Fuck the "Class with the Countess" book, bitch should have written a book about how she looks so goddamned fabulous and help out a girl like me with some tips (besides her Clarin skincare tip she gave me on Twitter years ago).  

Oh, Ramona....I think she probably started rehearsing that excuse for invitation fishing right after she and Dorinda discussed it in the car.  I suspect perhaps even then word had gotten back to Dorinda that Ramona had been contacting Tom trying to get an invite.  

Carole and Tinsley who?  They were practically invisible this episode.  And I kind of liked it that way since neither seem to really contribute much to the ongoing shenanigans.  

[Keywestclubkid]

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I honestly don't think Dorinda cares what Sonja does except for the fact that Sonja is selling giving stories about Dorinda (and the others) to page six, so she feels that she needs to show Sonja as a liar and a user to counter the lies/gossip in the tabloids. Sadly, at this stage, it make Dorinda look like the aggressor when it is actually Sonja.

Right Sonja is the sneaky one in this selling gossip to page 6. Then acting like an innocent victim on camera.  Sonja deserves the shit being slung at her if she’s gonna continue to poke bears using the press. If she can’t take up for herself then she needs to just stop runnin to the gossip mags and running her mouth to get “back” at the girls. Trust and believe if Bethany was friends with any of the girls at this point and didn’t need a reason to attack Dorinda she wouldn’t have said shit in defense of Sonja 

Edited June 21, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[film noire]

8 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

On Tuesday in Pittsburgh, PA, my daughter's boyfriend's best friend was shot by a police officer who'd been on the job merely hours.   I was about to say it was because he ran from the cops during a traffic stop.  More accurately, the because is: a black "man" ran from the cops during a traffic stop.   His name was Antwon Rose.  He graduated from a ceremony I was supposed to attend on June 7th.  He was 17 years old.     My daughter asked if she and her bf could take my car and go on an ice cream run.   I said no. 

I'm so sorry to hear that, Zaldamo -- from the news coverage, he looks like he was a sweet-faced young man with a very bright future -- condolences.  

Edited June 22, 2018 by film noire
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[abbottrabbit]

3 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

Is it some unwritten rule to contact your friend if you run into their significant other while out and about?  I must be a horrible friend, because the thought of texting someone specifically to say "hey, I ran into your f*&% buddy" would never occur to me (unless it was about Tom, or there was something significant to share). I would probably mention it in our next conversation, but I don't think I'd go out of my way.

This is especially true if you're really running into your friend's ex twice a day the way Ramona claims she was running into Tom in Palm Beach. Can you imagine: 

Noon: Hey girl, just saw your ex when I was at lunch.

6 p.m.: Hey, just wanted you to know your ex is at the bar!

10 a.m.: Having brunch -- your ex is at the next table. LOL

9 p.m.: At your ex's yacht party. Guess who's here??? YOUR EX! Who would have thought!

If one of my exes has slunk back into town, then YES I want a heads up. "HEY, I don't know if you know this, but, fuckboi is in town. I saw him at the bar we all used to go to together, and just wanted to let you know so you don't get taken by surprise if you run into him."  But twice a day, every day, over a holiday weekend? That's stupid, and almost cruel. 

[FozzyBear]

6 hours ago, ryebread said:

That's okay.  My arm is broke in 3 places from patting myself on the back so many times now that Carole is being seen for the uppity, backstabby, lazy Writer Girl that I called out years ago.

Yesterday I was watching a rerun and she was in a park with Luann and Kristen. Kristen was talking about how the facialist was gossiping about Luann. Carole said something to the effect that she doesn't get involved in gossiping, that it was beneath her. Ha! I LOL'd when she said it then, and I LOL'd when I heard it again yesterday.

I’ve been having the same moment. Carole has always rubbed me the wrong way and I’ve never trusted her. And a super petty part of me is happy that all her deflection is finally catching up with her. I’m not proud.

[RedheadZombie]

2 hours ago, WhoaWhoKnew said:

Yes, that was the original hook, but now it's let's watch a group of unstable women act a fool.

Sonja has never truly tried to build a brand. She has tried to make a quick buck off her name, but she never wanted to put in the actual work to do it and it showed.  She refused to listen to the advice of at least 3 (4 if you count Harry) people who have been successful at what she was trying accomplish. She decided that a group of "brand enhancers" (or whatever they called themselves) she found from who knows where were more knowledgeable than Bethenny, Heather, and Josh. Probably because that crew told her what she wanted to hear, which was that they would do all the heavy lifting and Sonja Morgan New York would be in Barney's and Bergdorf Goodman. This is not hyperbole, I truly believe Sonja thought she would be on the same level as Gucci, Versace, Hermes, Chanel, etc., overnight with little to no effort on her part.

Her charitable efforts in the LGBT community are non existent, imo. Her marriage equality rally speech that she hijacked from Simon and Alex was complete babbling nonsense and it was clear she just wanted to be fawned over by "her gays" and hear herself talk. 

It's hard for me to believe her true support of that community when she couldn't name what the letters stand for.

[sasha206]

16 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I honestly don't think Dorinda cares what Sonja does except for the fact that Sonja is selling giving stories about Dorinda (and the others) to page six, so she feels that she needs to show Sonja as a liar and a user to counter the lies/gossip in the tabloids. Sadly, at this stage, it make Dorinda look like the aggressor when it is actually Sonja.

Interesting angle.  What stories about Dorinda has she given?

[RedheadZombie]

2 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:

Just wiki'd Morgan's family tree and Sonja is in it.   

What I found funny was the Ron Chernow wrote a book about the Morgan Dynasty.  I'm surprised Sonja isn't saying that Lin Miranda is writing another musical and she's cast as the lead.  Her and Lu.  

 

John Adams Morgan (b. 1930) ∞ (1) 1953: Elizabeth Robbins Choate (1933–1998) (div. 1957); ∞ (2) Tania Goss (div.) ∞ (4) 1998: Sonja Tremont (b. 1963) (div. 2008)

John Adams Morgan Jr (b. 1954)

Chauncey Goss Morgan

Quincy Adams Morgan

And Henry VIII has all of the wives he killed and divorced in his family tree.  I'm not sure where I'm going with this point, but there it is.

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Interesting angle.  What stories about Dorinda has she given?

Dorinda named a number of them last season, as did Luann and Tinsley. When they confronted Sonja, she kind of admitted to doing it by saying she loves when 
"her" name is in the press and they should get over it but she refused to apologize or stop doing it. 

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Sonja: I have a HUGE responsibility and I'm not letting this family DOWN

Well, I won't let anything down except for my dress, tops and panties

She wouldn't have to use a sharpie on her belongings if she treated them nicer.  Maybe this is one of the dresses that Ramona stole from Bethenny.

1 hour ago, zenme said:

KingFuBunny, my thoughts exactly. She's an embarrassment! Between the horny old lady routine, the washing underwear in the bidet, and the images above... She's an embarrassment. Not to mention the bankruptcy, broken down mansion, and stuff like saving the gold paper, etc., she doesn't make the Morgans LOOK money smart. 

Don't forget the story she told as she washed her panties - she typically uses the bidet to place ice in and do ablutions on her face.  Face in toilet.

[sasha206]

19 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

Luann looked absolutely stunning all through this episode.  I've always thought she was the most striking of all the housewives across the franchise and she looks even better now than she did in season 1.  Fuck the "Class with the Countess" book, bitch should have written a book about how she looks so goddamned fabulous and help out a girl like me with some tips (besides her Clarin skincare tip she gave me on Twitter years ago).  

 

No question.   

I think she's the rare Housewife who probably looks even better in person because unlike most of them, the botox and fillers haven't made her face look like a mask.   I would imagine her to be a real head turner in person.

[TV Diva Queen]

5 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

And Henry VIII has all of the wives he killed and divorced in his family tree.  I'm not sure where I'm going with this point, but there it is.

I was going with the point that Sonja thinks it means something - and there it is.  I'll try and be more clear.  I don't think that Sonja thinks a musical is being written about her either. 

[KungFuBunny]

58 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

Yeah - everyone warned her, hell, I think Ramona warned her, and Luann was nasty and dismissive to everyone and did pointedly exclude people from the wedding. And honestly, Luann has always looked down at Ramona. I mean, what housewife ho code is being broken?

There wasn't any code broken,

Luann was arrested on December 24th

Luann sent a twitter post on December 29th I have decided to seek professional guidance and will be voluntarily checking into an alcohol treatment center.

What would be the purpose of Ramona calling Luann or texting Luann? - I bumped into Tom multiple times, I'm trying to get an invite to his yacht celebration.

If Luann was not yet in Spa-hab and Ramona called her, she could have gone on another tear through town and had double Mug Shots

If Luann was already in Spa-hab and Ramona called her, what positive outcome would this information have on her "therapy"

[RedheadZombie]

Just now, TV Diva Queen said:

I was going with the point that Sonja thinks it means something - and there it is.  I'll try and be more clear.  I don't think that Sonja thinks a musical is being written about her either. 

True.  She seems to think seeing John John in the news, and seeing a pap shot in People with P. Diddy equaled to partying with them on her yacht (which was probably a bathtub toy from little Quincy).  Everything is meaningful to Sonja if there's money or fame involved.

1 hour ago, TexasGal said:

Sonja could invent one for you!  It would probably involve Wesson oil and huge napkins.

And a black sharpie with some lube.

[sasha206]

22 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

In the minority here, but I think Dorinda is more pissed off about hearing that Sonja referred to her as "fat" more than she is about the divorce/widow grieving debate.

She was gunning for Sonja for that alleged "fat" comment even before the brunch and the verbal altercation ensued.

And speaking of Dorinda, she certainly seems to keep tabs on Sonja's sex life.  Of course, if I had John in my bed, I'd probably rather think about people's apparently active sex lives than my own sex life, too.

 

YES!  The "fat" comment!  Honestly, I'd harbor a grudge on that too.  However, Carole was unnecessarily delivered that message!

Sonja grosses me out on the sex life discussions.  She can bang anyone she wants, but it's gross the way she talks about it constantly.  It doesn't excuse Dorinda's over the top slut shaming though.

On Dorinda and John, unless he's okay with being in a dead man's shadow constantly, she ought to let that man go.  Maybe she really is in it for the free dry cleaning.  Whatever the case, it says a lot for her that she keeps someone she seems to find repulsive or can act repulsive just because she wants companionship.  

[KungFuBunny]

1 minute ago, RedheadZombie said:

True.  She seems to think seeing John John in the news, and seeing a pap shot in People with P. Diddy equaled to partying with them on her yacht (which was probably a bathtub toy from little Quincy).  Everything is meaningful to Sonja if there's money or fame involved.

I think at one time Sonja was on the Morgan yacht...and there was a magazine lying on the deck - like People or Star Magazine - there were pics and articles about John John, Madonna and P Diddy. Sonja was enjoying the partying and dancing - in Sonja's mind technically they were with her on her yacht partying. ALLL THAH TIME!!!!!!

[Natalie68]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

That's the only thing I can think of. Yet they seemed to bounce back from that and bond really well in PR. I don't know...could it really be the stupid Nutcracker "thank you" gate? She did seem to let people rile her up about that. Maybe it took awhile for the "drunk" comment to sink in? 

Bethenny and Dorinda are my two favorites, so I wish they'd get along. 

Right. I don't care if she keeps her name. Her daughter has the same name. It's easier. The ring was a gift, fine. But she's emblazoning her shoe with the family crest in attempts to sell herself as something she's not. It's not the end of the world, but it's just another cringe-worthy act of a truly delusional woman. 

I don't think it was something Dorinda needed to call her out on, though. 

Ew. Letdown. 

 

I'm sure that was at the heart of it. My comment was supposed to be sarcastic. 

Maybe it had to do with how Bethenny described her deceased husband.  Unless that was a TH and she didn't know about it yet.  I cannot remember.  I think there may be a feeling of inferiority around B.  But I honestly think she just doesn't like B much.  We all heard how she spoke to B in PV during the self stabbing incident.  I think those were her true feelings.  I used to kinda like Dorinda but I think she is a mean backstabbing person who drinks way too much and I think her witty comments sound like she tries too hard.  I think alcohol is affecting her negatively.  A lot of it could be an attempt to keep her apple. * What does she have going on besides this show?  Nothing that I can tell.  

*I googled her to see what she has going on.  All I could find was a story about her weight loss getting ready for summer.  So yes, I think the fat comment really did a number on this past aerobics instructor

Edited June 21, 2018 by Natalie68

[Persnickety1]

11 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

 

YES!  The "fat" comment!  Honestly, I'd harbor a grudge on that too.  However, Carole was unnecessarily delivered that message!

Sonja grosses me out on the sex life discussions.  She can bang anyone she wants, but it's gross the way she talks about it constantly.  It doesn't excuse Dorinda's over the top slut shaming though.

On Dorinda and John, unless he's okay with being in a dead man's shadow constantly, she ought to let that man go.  Maybe she really is in it for the free dry cleaning.  Whatever the case, it says a lot for her that she keeps someone she seems to find repulsive or can act repulsive just because she wants companionship.  

Oh, damn, I forgot who the messenger was in that debacle!  

And that was before the "Bethenny called you a loser" to Luann and the "Bethenny said Ramona is a horrible human being" twuntery.  

So much for the self-proclaimed "above the gossiping" facade from a couple of seasons ago.

Maybe there will be a messenger to inform Carole she's beginning to resemble a re-hydrated raisin and should reconsider the fillers and lip plumpers before she finds herself the star of a California raisins promotional ad.

Edited June 21, 2018 by Persnickety1

[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Lol!  Now this, I don't fault her for.  Wherever bologna/e is described in print as meat, meat must appear in quotations.  

 

Hey tv sister! hey boo, heeeyyyyyy.   It's trash but I still can't take my eyes off em.

 

 

This.   She came through practically singing the Golden Girls theme song.   So look here, if your heart is true, you really are a pal and a confidante?  Whatchu gone do is open exactly the way Sonja did.   There's no need to call whenever you see my ex, what the hell for?   And there probably isn't a need to call me out the blue saying he invited you somewhere.  But the next time we cross paths and you see I'm doing well, without me asking, sit next to me on the couch woman to woman, hello-Barbara?-this-is-Shirley-style and real smooth voice tell me what's up.    I don't waste too many words of praise on Sonja, but that?  Respect.   The difference is this other bitch wasn't invited, she was trying to invite herself.   No matter what Lu's mistakes were, she doesn't deserve a woman claiming to be her friend still trying to hang out with a man, whom she herself, describes as no fucking good.      

To wit:  

That goes for Carole's ole two-faced ass too.   Although, forgive me ya'll it's been 13 days since my last confession.   When she said let's just be honest that dress was the real crime.  I cackled louder than necessary.   I actually didn't think she was being serious in her fashion criticism, because Carole, really girl? rather than using an irresistible opportunity to make a joke.   I hope we find out at the reunion, but I'd bet money that when Lu heard it, she laughed.  

Girl?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I promise I love you for this.   49% of me wants to laugh at the bittersweetness of it.     The other 51.  You'll see more of this if you watch World News Tonight, tonight with David Muir.  On Tuesday in Pittsburgh, PA, my daughter's boyfriend's best friend was shot by a police officer who'd been on the job merely hours.   I was about to say it was because he ran from the cops during a traffic stop.  More accurately, the because is: a black "man" ran from the cops during a traffic stop.   His name was Antwon Rose.  He graduated from a ceremony I was supposed to attend on June 7th.  He was 17 years old.     My daughter asked if she and her bf could take my car and go on an ice cream run.   I said no.    Lemme get back to some regularly scheduled foolishness before I bust out bawling.   The point is, the option to cut a whole entire fool talking to the police is an honor.  Lu should feel special. 

I am so sorry.  HORRIBLE

[RedheadZombie]

2 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

 

YES!  The "fat" comment!  Honestly, I'd harbor a grudge on that too.  However, Carole was unnecessarily delivered that message!

Sonja grosses me out on the sex life discussions.  She can bang anyone she wants, but it's gross the way she talks about it constantly.  It doesn't excuse Dorinda's over the top slut shaming though.

On Dorinda and John, unless he's okay with being in a dead man's shadow constantly, she ought to let that man go.  Maybe she really is in it for the free dry cleaning.  Whatever the case, it says a lot for her that she keeps someone she seems to find repulsive or can act repulsive just because she wants companionship.  

I don't know, I think Dorinda is with John because she mostly enjoys him.  In her first season, she was gorgeous and dressed to show off her fab figure.  She could have gotten many men if she were interested.  I think part of her staying with John is he seems to accept the distance she keeps between them.  It also helps that they didn't live together so it was harder to get on each others' nerves.  They seem to have common friends and a common desire to drink and party a lot.  And if you believe Ramona, John liked to use Viagra to they could go at it for hours.  She seems annoyed by him quite frequently, but I haven't seen what I would call repulsion.

[sasha206]

2 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I don't know, I think Dorinda is with John because she mostly enjoys him.  In her first season, she was gorgeous and dressed to show off her fab figure.  She could have gotten many men if she were interested.  I think part of her staying with John is he seems to accept the distance she keeps between them.  It also helps that they didn't live together so it was harder to get on each others' nerves.  They seem to have common friends and a common desire to drink and party a lot.  And if you believe Ramona, John liked to use Viagra to they could go at it for hours.  She seems annoyed by him quite frequently, but I haven't seen what I would call repulsion.

Maybe it's because he repulses me and I'm projecting.  

[RedheadZombie]

10 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Maybe it had to do with how Bethenny described her deceased husband.  Unless that was a TH and she didn't know about it yet.  I cannot remember.  I think there may be a feeling of inferiority around B.  But I honestly think she just doesn't like B much.  We all heard how she spoke to B in PV during the self stabbing incident.  I think those were her true feelings.  I used to kinda like Dorinda but I think she is a mean backstabbing person who drinks way too much and I think her witty comments sound like she tries too hard.  I think alcohol is affecting her negatively.  A lot of it could be an attempt to keep her apple.  What does she have going on besides this show?  Nothing that I can tell.  

It's no excuse, but I think the reason Dorinda shows this nasty side is the alcohol.   Remember how shocked Heather was when Dorinda got drunk and launched on her.  They had spent considerable time together and Heather had never seen this side.  Dorinda needs to at least significantly decrease the amount she drinks, and she needs some serious grief counseling.

Personally, I think Dorinda would have a lot without this show.  She's well connected and seems to have lots of friends in several countries.  It's not too late to continue an old career or start one - IF she deals with the alcohol first.  Oh, there's Hannah too.

[film noire]

7 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

It's hard for me to believe her true support of that community when she couldn't name what the letters stand for.

Sonja's LGBT = Lesbian for Luann / Gay Party Night / Bushes in St Barth's/ Toaster "Oven".

 

7 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

she typically uses the bidet 

Put a deer on it!

Edited June 22, 2018 by film noire

[sasha206]

1 minute ago, RedheadZombie said:

It's no excuse, but I think the reason Dorinda shows this nasty side is the alcohol.   Remember how shocked Heather was when Dorinda got drunk and launched on her.  They had spent considerable time together and Heather had never seen this side.  Dorinda needs to at least significantly decrease the amount she drinks, and she needs some serious grief counseling.

Personally, I think Dorinda would have a lot without this show.  She's well connected and seems to have lots of friends in several countries.  It's not too late to continue an old career or start one - IF she deals with the alcohol first.  Oh, there's Hannah too.

Agreed.  And didn't Dorinda go after Heather for the use of the "fuck" word?  Meanwhile Dorinda has uttered some of the coarsest language since that time, making Heather seem like a nun in comparison.

[Natalie68]

1 minute ago, RedheadZombie said:

It's no excuse, but I think the reason Dorinda shows this nasty side is the alcohol.   Remember how shocked Heather was when Dorinda got drunk and launched on her.  They had spent considerable time together and Heather had never seen this side.  Dorinda needs to at least significantly decrease the amount she drinks, and she needs some serious grief counseling.

Personally, I think Dorinda would have a lot without this show.  She's well connected and seems to have lots of friends in several countries.  It's not too late to continue an old career or start one - IF she deals with the alcohol first.  Oh, there's Hannah too.

That's the thing.  The booze brings out the bitch.  It wouldn't surprise me if she has started drinking more heavily since the show began and drinks all day.  The slurring she does when drunk, that the editors think is hilarious, I find tragic.  And calling it slurring is actually a compliment, you can barely find actual words in what she says.   It is so unbecoming of anyone and if no one tells her to stop this shit (besides B), they are not a good friends.  I predict an ugly end to Ms. Medley.

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

I promise I love you for this.   49% of me wants to laugh at the bittersweetness of it.     The other 51.  You'll see more of this if you watch World News Tonight, tonight with David Muir.  On Tuesday in Pittsburgh, PA, my daughter's boyfriend's best friend was shot by a police officer who'd been on the job merely hours.   I was about to say it was because he ran from the cops during a traffic stop.  More accurately, the because is: a black "man" ran from the cops during a traffic stop.   His name was Antwon Rose.  He graduated from a ceremony I was supposed to attend on June 7th.  He was 17 years old.     My daughter asked if she and her bf could take my car and go on an ice cream run.   I said no.    Lemme get back to some regularly scheduled foolishness before I bust out bawling.   The point is, the option to cut a whole entire fool talking to the police is an honor.  Lu should feel special. 

I've said this since the news broke.  Lu isn't a petite little thing, she's as tall as most men and quite strong - she was a serious danger to these cops.   She hurt one, resisted arrest, wrestled with them, and tried to escape.   Combined with her loud-mouthed friend being pushy and arguing with the cops, this would have been a deadly incident for POC.  I have no doubt.  The only question would be one dead or two.

After Trayvon Martin was shot, one of my news shows had male journalists of color discuss their experiences.  Jonathan Capehart talked of being taught by his mother that no matter what, he could not be running outdoors.  A black male running is a guilty person - full stop.

I heard the bare bones of this story, but my first thought was this was a cop who was just jonesing to shoot a gun.  Combined with the fear of his first day on the job, as well as racial profiling and probable inherent racism . . . .  We've seen this story enough to know the cop will go unpunished. 

I'm so sorry this happened to someone your daughter knows.

[KungFuBunny]

13 minutes ago, film noire said:

Sonja's LGBT = Lesbian for Luann / Gay Party Night / Bushes in St Barth's/ Toaster "Oven".

 

Put a deer on it!

I think the G is for Gstaad