Finals, Training Camp and Social Media

[Jennv]

9 minutes ago, TexasBorn said:

was wondering about that scene. What did Judi mean by that?

I think Judy was thinking there was no way VK was going to get the weight off in the time frame needed, and even if she did she was unlikely to be able to keep it off during the season. 

[SmpIsimon]

2 minutes ago, pizzaandcatsrlife said:

Not buying vk has a thyroid problem.  Waaaay too convenient.  And wouldn’t Kelli already know about this said problem? Sorry not buying it. Chic gained weight because she stuffed her mouth.

That’s why she lied about going to the doctor. She knew if she went to the doctor, he’d confirm that it was really just VK’s lack of control around food that lead her massive weight gain. 

1 minute ago, Jennv said:

I think Judy was thinking there was no way VK was going to get the weight off in the time frame needed, and even if she did she was unlikely to be able to keep it off during the season. 

Judy voiced concerns at prelims about VK and had her head bitten off. She’d learned her lesson. 

[CaseyRe]

17 minutes ago, Bubbetv said:

When Kelli called out Judy to Say Something, Kelli looked a little bully-ish to me. When Judy snapped back, “why don’t YOU say what YOU’RE thinking” I applauded.

I pictured (right or not) those two talking often about Judy likely screaming all through unfilmed practices, and Kelly wanting to awwww, then get frustrated herself with VK’S schtick-but awwww poor dear-then get pissed at VK’s asinine Mess again...and now she’s trying to get Judy to be a bad guy for the camera without the balls to get honest herself.

Kelli could have mentored VK re weight-how many years she was splitting outta the spanx? Just sayin...

that's not quite what Judy said.  she said 'say what you're thinking'.  I think Judy is playing it super safe, she's not getting involved, in the 'if you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all' approach. she knows which way the wind is blowing - Kelli and Charlotte want VK - so she keeps schtum but just because she's not saying anything doesn't mean she's not thinking it and her silence for me speaks volumes on what she thinks of VK

[rose711]

My impression of Jinelle is that she’s kind, smart and supportive. She would want to do her best to help Victoria make the team. She’s an incredibly well respected veteran who they tried to convince not to retire. 

I cant see how having Jinelle in your support system would be a negative for anyone.  Maybe she never struggled with weight, but she’s struggled with other things in her life. 

My take away is that Victoria thought she would make it no mattter what, refused to take warnings seriously and didn’t think she needed to actually use any help she was offered.

[bigskygirl]

14 minutes ago, Dccfanatic said:

I 100% agree with you on what you posted, and I am glad you had the honesty to say it. I have strayed from saying much because I feel that this board has turned into anit-VK/pro Dayton. Everyone here is bashing Victoria’s stomach, but I truly thought that Dayton’s looked big as well. Her stomach was puffy and hanging over the shorts as well. I also was shocked with how poorly she was not facing the mirror. She didn’t know the dance at all. As you said, it is way better to make mistakes than have your head turned the other way, unsure the whole time and several counts behind trying to play catch up. 

I am not bashing Victoria's stomach. In some ways, I think she looks healthy compared to what they expect a typical DCC to look like. My problem is the fact she said she had a thyroid condition leading to her weight gain , not wanting help from current and former DCCs, the excuses Kelli, Miss Kitty, and Charlotte made for her when other girls are being cut left and right for weight in the past, getting opportunities many of the girls would love to have when trying out for the team (Jinelle's help and having the opportunity to see a Cowboys doctor,) being told she automatically had a spot on the team, and running to Kelli and Judy ratting out the other girls.

If she really and truly had a medical condition why lie about seeing the Cowboys doctor in the first place. Once again, there have been at least one girl who struggled with her weight and was hypothyroid when she  tried out, and she made the team. I am sure Kelli, Charlotte and Judy would have been understanding if Victoria would have came in with a letter or note from her own doctor stating she had a possible thyroid condition or other medical condition leading to a weight gain, and she was on a treatment plan along with a workout and nutrition plan in order to make the team. She brought it on herself, and she has no one else but herself to blame for being cut.

[TexasBorn]

3 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

That’s why she lied about going to the doctor. She knew if she went to the doctor, he’d confirm that it was really just VK’s lack of control around food that lead her massive weight gain. 

Judy voiced concerns at prelims about VK and had her head bitten off. She’d learned her lesson. 

Judy used her nepo card ... It was Kelli's turn.

[Tuxcat]

58 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

Yeah and apparently Kelli was more desperate than Victoria was. Victoria is the one who should have been scrambling, not only to get into shape, but also to show her commitment by actively accepting and seeking every possible assistance.

I truly do not understand some of the reactions...as if talking to jinelle would have been some tremendously damaging experience. If she was ineffective, then ok, those are a few hours of life vk wouldn't get back. She could've thanked Jinelle, gotten in her car, and driven right to a nutritionist. It bothers me that people are reacting as if VK had no agency, as if the problem was that the DCC didn't offer the "right" resources. This was 100% Victoria's responsibility to take care of, not Kelli's job to find out the root cause and solution for Victoria's weight gain. Kelli is her potential employer, not her mother or her physician.

 

54 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Right on! Not enough likes on the planet for this post.

I bet if Kelli would have ask Tasha who struggled with her weight last year and came close to being cut for a bad interview and weight gain Victoria would have brushed her off too. Former and current DCCs offered to help Victoria out, but she refused the help. Do not blame them for Victoria's mistakes and weight gain (and yes her "enablers" Miss Kitty, Charlotte, Tina, Kelli and CMT need to take part of the blame also.)

For the record I agree with all of this. Except I was never blaming Jinelle. I simply said that she is not qualified to counsel someone about weight. I also said that I understand the emotions and shame that VK likely was feeling. Just read this board. Shame is a huge part of the obesity epidemic in the US.  Does that excuse VK from not seeking out proper resources? No. Do I think DCC is responsible for helping VK? No. Do I think VK should have sought out proper treatment before training camp? Yes. Do I think VK was being immature about the entire situation? Yes.

[rose711]

1 hour ago, RazzleberryPie said:

That tells me either Kelli is clueless, or she was insulting VK by suggesting she eat right and turns into Jinelle. I agree with the idea that virgin somebody who actually struggled with weight issues would be better. At 18 I would’ve been dumb enough to blow off Jinelle, too.

I don’t agree because I feel Jinelle would be a fantastic help for any rookie. It’s also Jinelle’s job and you know she will give it her best. But you’re probably right that Victoria would have blown off any help so it’s irrelevant who was offering it.

[TexasBorn]

4 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

 

For the record I agree with all of this. Except I was never blaming Jinelle. I simply said that she is not qualified to counsel someone about weight. I also said that I understand the emotions and shame that VK likely was feeling. Just read this board. Shame is a huge part of the obesity epidemic in the US.  Does that excuse VK from not seeking out proper resources? No. Do I think DCC is responsible for helping VK? No. Do I think VK should have sought out proper treatment before training camp? Yes. Do I think VK was being immature about the entire situation? Yes.

(Joking tone) Keep Jinelle out of this .... Taking a quote from the almighty TS "I would like to be taken out of this narrative." Lol!

Edited September 23, 2018 by TexasBorn

[MTTFan]

2 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

 

For the record I agree with all of this. Except I was never blaming Jinelle. I simply said that she is not qualified to counsel someone about weight. I also said that I understand the emotions and shame that VK likely was feeling. Just read this board. Shame is a huge part of the obesity epidemic in the US.  Does that excuse VK from not seeking out proper resources? No. Do I think DCC is responsible for helping VK? No. Do I think VK should have sought out proper treatment before training camp? Yes. Do I think VK was being immature about the entire situation? Yes.

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This and the fact that she served up a great big helping of "my mom was a DCC, mom is BFF with Kelly and, therefore, I am entitled because I think I am the sh*t without having to show it or earn it attitude."

[UnicornKicks]

Jinelle is a major suck up and doing the job she's paid for. 

[SmpIsimon]

2 minutes ago, UnicornKicks said:

Jinelle is a major suck up and doing the job she's paid for. 

Jinelle could be Satan himself, but she had nothing to do with VK’s cut. That rests on VK’s shoulders. 

[UnicornKicks]

Just now, SmpIsimon said:

Jinelle could be Satan himself, but she had nothing to do with VK’s cut. That rests on VK’s shoulders. 

I agree with you there, my friend. No matter how effective setting her up with Jinelle could be, VK is responsible for VK and nobody else. 

Jinelle is just doing her job and she does it well. 

[bigskygirl]

5 minutes ago, UnicornKicks said:

Jinelle is a major suck up and doing the job she's paid for. 

Makes me wonder why Jay was not called in to work with Victoria.

Edited September 23, 2018 by bigskygirl

[sleepyjean]

5 minutes ago, UnicornKicks said:

Jinelle is a major suck up and doing the job she's paid for. 

I thought the story was that Jinelle tried to cover for Victoria...?

[MTTFan]

9 minutes ago, UnicornKicks said:

Jinelle is a major suck up and doing the job she's paid for. 

honest question here:  how is being a "major suck up" different than doing the job you are being paid for?

Edited September 23, 2018 by MTTFan
because

[bigskygirl]

2 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

I thought the story was that Jinelle tried to cover for Victoria...?

I remember seeing the same thing on another social media page.

[SmpIsimon]

3 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

I thought the story was that Jinelle tried to cover for Victoria...?

That’s correct. 

[TexasBorn]

@JohnGaltWhat's your take on Jinelle and Kelli involving her in this hot mess?

[MTTFan]

4 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Makes me wonder why Jay was not called in to work with Victoria.

Speculation here:  doesn't Jay work with toning etc whereas if VK said she had a medical problem that would be outside his expertise?

[TexasBorn]

2 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

That’s correct. 

I can't keep up with all this chaos and dysfuntion. Putting my tablet down on this subject.

[bigskygirl]

Just now, MTTFan said:

Speculation here:  doesn't Jay work with toning etc whereas if VK said she had a medical problem that would be outside his expertise?

I think Jay worked with Jordan Ketchum who was hypothyroid when she was called out for weight issues. Maybe he had Victoria's number if you catch what I am saying and did not want to work with her, or he tried to organize a time to work with her, and she did not show up.

[MTTFan]

2 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I think Jay worked with Jordan Ketchum who was hypothyroid when she was called out for weight issues. Maybe he had Victoria's number if you catch what I am saying and did not want to work with her, or he tried to organize a time to work with her, and she did not show up.

I can see him not wanting to get involved in a cat fight.  :)

[SmpIsimon]

Just now, MTTFan said:

I can see him not wanting to get involved in a cat fight.  :)

Everybody in the organization saw the train wreck that was the TK/VK shitshow. Trust me, nobody wanted to take on any involvement with VK — Jinelle included. 

[bigskygirl]

1 minute ago, MTTFan said:

I can see him not wanting to get involved in a cat fight.  :)

Have to admit it would have been entertaining to see Kelli calling Jay into her office asking him how his work outs with Victoria were going, and him saying she did not show up for them. He did not seem to mind stating his views about Cassie coming back for her last year after her knee surgery.

[MTTFan]

1 minute ago, bigskygirl said:

Have to admit it would have been entertaining to see Kelli calling Jay into her office asking him how his work outs with Victoria were going, and him saying she did not show up for them. He did not seem to mind stating his views about Cassie coming back for her last year after her knee surgery.

That would have been a damn uncomfortable interview especially after he had to know how she shut other judges down when it came to VK's mistakes -- I would have paid money to see that edit.

[SmpIsimon]

2 minutes ago, MTTFan said:

That would have been a damn uncomfortable interview especially after he had to know how she shut other judges down when it came to VK's mistakes -- I would have paid money to see that edit.

Also, VK was known to exaggerate/make up shit that she'd run back and tell Kelli and Judy.

[bigskygirl]

7 minutes ago, MTTFan said:

That would have been a damn uncomfortable interview especially after he had to know how she shut other judges down when it came to VK's mistakes -- I would have paid money to see that edit.

He would have called Scott the weatherman to meet him for a drink comparing notes for not saying Victoria deserves a spot on the team. Ha!

[TexasBorn]

14 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

Also, VK was known to exaggerate/make up shit that she'd run back and tell Kelli and Judy.

We have all experienced that one toxic "in with the boss" coworker who no one wants anything to do with. 

[Jazzmom]

31 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Makes me wonder why Jay was not called in to work with Victoria.

The TCC get introduced to Jay for his segment, but then I wonder if his help would have to be paid by the TCC?  

If Jinelle is studying to be a nutritionist, and she is asked to help out, it would be free sessions for the DCC, along with giving Jinelle practice. 

This is the time for Dayton to have a gig like RCL!   She will have the best time & make new friends.

The last time I was as thin as Jinelle was in 3rd grade!  In high school I fluctuated between 109-115, looked great, and I still didn’t look like that!  Everyone is different.

Breyers Carb Smart “ice cream” is great for milkshakes with almond milk!  

[bigskygirl]

3 minutes ago, TexasBorn said:

We have all experienced that one toxic "in with the boss" coworker who no one wants anything to do with. 

Have you met my one sister-in-law. She would have made all the Victoria drama look tame.

[TexasBorn]

1 minute ago, bigskygirl said:

Have you met my one sister-in-law. She would have made all the Victoria drama look tame.

Girl, my list can go for days!

[EricaShadows]

5 hours ago, ShellyB said:

She did, but she earned college credits in high school, as a lot of students do in Texas...probably all over the country. 

In my little corner of the world, this program is called Running Start for students who are already enrolled into either public or private high schools.  Among other things, high school students have to be either going into their junior year or already juniors/seniors in high school.  Home schooled students are another group.  I remember hearing that anyone younger than 16 who wanted to go to one of the local community colleges had to meet with leadership before they were even accepted to the school.  I expect the same happened at the 4-colleges.

5 hours ago, tinabee1967 said:

Nothing wrong with community colleges. There are many very fine ones available that can springboard students to successful careers. The stigma surrounding them needs to GO.

I agree that the stigma around community colleges need to go.  My local community colleges are pretty darn good if I say so myself.  They not only have associations with the local trades through an apprenticeship program (for the aspiring plumbers, electricians, linemen, etc.), but they have programs for a variety of students.  In fact, the nursing program is good enough that at least one of the local 4-year schools says that the nursing students they get from the community college are BETTER trained and BETTER prepared (among other things) then students from several other 4-year colleges.  I've met students at the community colleges who are not only parents, but work full-time and go to school full-time (many of whom get 3.6 and above) in order to get their degrees and go on to 4-year colleges and students who were Running Start students who use the community colleges to either springboard to a good career or figure out exactly what they want to do.  I've heard of doctors, lawyers, and others who started out at the community college level and went on to those careers BECAUSE of their instructors, counselors and many others.  Community colleges are also a good way to figure out if going to college is the right thing to do or if going into the trades might be the better option.  It all depends on the student.  Sorry for the rant.

5 hours ago, ShellyB said:

Sometimes it a financial and just makes sense to get basics out of the way at 1/3 of the cost. 

I totally agree with this, especially if people plan to go on to get their 4-year degree and beyond.  I would prefer a LOT more high school students go to community college and work on getting their general requirements out of the way without costing an arm and a leg.  There are some who just aren't ready to go to a 4-year school, especially one far away from home, family and the familiar.  I have had personal experience on both sides, both being that student and being involved with at least one student (a long, complicated story involving a college roommate at a 4-year college that I'm not willing to go into here).

2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

I still feel bad for Victoria a little because I truly think the environment is in caused a part of the problem. Too many enablers in her corner, and someone needs to sit down with her and explain how the real world is because sooner or later the day will come when her enablers will not help her out of a situation where her lies catch up to her.

This is a big reason why I think Victoria needs to get out on her own for a while.  I know it contradicts, in part, what I said above, but some people come from families where it's unhealthy to stay home for various reasons, including helicopter parents.  Victoria needs to get out on her own for at least a year, get a job, pay her own bills, do her own thing and then see where she's at mentally and physically, especially around the time auditions roll around to see if it's something she still wants to do.  She may find that other interests have taken over or other pursuits have more interest for her, maybe even she has a great career opportunity that would be lost if she moved back to re-audition.  Who knows?

1 hour ago, TexasBorn said:

We have all experienced that one toxic "in with the boss" coworker who no one wants anything to do with. 

I also totally agree with this.  One person I know immediately sprang to mind when this was posted and I still dislike her with a passion to this day though others totally adore her (I can't see why, even though they know what she's said/done and refuse to believe it of her) and I can come up with several others as well.  

Edited September 23, 2018 by EricaShadows

[Agent Gully]

1 hour ago, UnicornKicks said:

Jinelle is just doing her job and she does it well. 

I wonder if Jinelle is being positioned to take Mentor Melissa's place on the show?

As a former public school teacher, it has been my experience that kids develop maturity at a wide range of ages. All of Victoria's issues, when it comes down to it, have been a result of her immaturity. The folks in her life need to let her experience the consequences of her decisions. That is the only way she will mature. Where it gets ugly is when Kelli, TK, etc. forget the big picture (that VK is young and barring a tragedy has plenty of years to try to make the team) and only see the current issue - she has to make this team now, she just HAS to! That is on them, not VK. By making that such a big deal, they have increased the pressure instead of just letting things unfold in  a natural way.

[Christineelgene]

3 hours ago, SmpIsimon said:

Meanwhile VK is eating like a pig and bragging about it and, worst of all, talking shit to Kelli and Judy about how Brennan does not "really want it" and Madeline is a bitch (just learned about this last one).  I'm sorry, I do not see this girl as a victim at all -- she was doing all she could to knock out the competition instead of working on making herself be the best she could be.

In my heart, I knew that Kitty’s comment about Madeline would somehow be connected to VK.  

[ShellyB]

3 hours ago, PrincessLeia said:

@ShellyB I completely agree that college isn’t for everyone... former high school teacher here. So many of my students wasted time going to colleges when they were better suited to a trade program where they’d learn a specific skill and make good money. I basically want my kids to be contributing members of society and to be able to pay their bills. Hopefully that means a good college, but if it doesn’t we’ll cross that bridge when we get there. I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with someone postponing college to follow their dreams! If that’s being a DCC or a Rockette, or traveling around the world, go for it! You just have to have a plan.

Bingo!!!

[CPA1967]

I’m just going to leave this here for Kelli and Kitty to see what we are seeing each week.  This girl deserves better than being set up for failure and criticism because her mom and best friend want to continue to relive their glory DCC days through VK. She needs to be told the truth and get some help realizing there is more in the world than being a DCC. just my two cents worth. 

One more for good measure. She is twice the size of Jaylyn. 

[RhiRhi]

17 minutes ago, CPA1967 said:

I’m just going to leave this here for Kelli and Kitty to see what we are seeing each week.  This girl deserves better than being set up for failure and criticism because her mom and best friend want to continue to relive their glory DCC days through VK. She needs to be told the truth and get some help realizing there is more in the world than being a DCC. just my two cents worth. 

One more for good measure. She is twice the size of Jaylyn. 

And this is what Courtney R looked like at auditions when Kelli said she needed to lose (7?) pounds (I thought she looked perfect btw) 

[bigskygirl]

3 minutes ago, RhiRhi said:

And this is what Courtney R looked like at auditions when Kelli said she needed to lose (7?) pounds (I thought she looked perfect btw) 

Poor Courtney. She was told to lose weight so she would be around the same weight as girls her height. That is one of my many pet peeves Kelli seems to enforce. Does she not realize girls of the same height be different sizes and still look darn good in the uniform and the swimwear during the calendar shoot.

Edited September 23, 2018 by bigskygirl

[SanDiegoGal]

1. If you had genuinely been diagnosed with a thyroid condition, and you knew that your weight was part of your job, then wouldn't you disclose that before starting training camp (get everyone on the same page from the start)? 

2. Not sure why Jinelle's credentials are relevant? If your boss told you to spend time with Person X to improve in an area, then wouldn't you spend time with Person X, regardless of whether or not you think it will help you? After all, if you spend time with Person X and show Person X that you are doing everything expected of you, then Person X will likely report back positively to your boss.

[PBSLover]

17 hours ago, SimplePleasures said:

“...woman's intuition is telling me Victoria sabotaged her chances intentionally.  All her life she's been groomed to the DCC life and now that she's entering young adulthood, she's realizing it's not what she wants but yet is afraid to stand up for herself short of what we watched with the weight gain and lying.  I suspect Victoria is getting fit for Victoria.  I don't think she'll try out again."

This I like.

For me, I can’t get past the lying. Weight aside, the lying, backstabbing, all of it. That to me is way worse than an unfit body and sloppy dancing.

And, I will bet that Jinelle was honored that Kelli asked her to help VK. She even said she would be happy to download what she knows or what is in her head to help her.

[bigskygirl]

3 minutes ago, SanDiegoGal said:

1. If you had genuinely been diagnosed with a thyroid condition, and you knew that your weight was part of your job, then wouldn't you disclose that before starting training camp (get everyone on the same page from the start)? 

2. Not sure why Jinelle's credentials are relevant? If your boss told you to spend time with Person X to improve in an area, then wouldn't you spend time with Person X, regardless of whether or not you think it will help you? After all, if you spend time with Person X and show Person X that you are doing everything expected of you, then Person X will likely report back positively to your boss.

Even if your alleged thyroid disorder started after TC, I say go in and be totally honest about it. I do not think Judy, Kelli and Charlotte would have kicked her to the curb if her thyroid hormone levels were out of whack. They have worked with at least two girls in the past with thyroid disorders, and one of them was a TC Candidate who was not on the team yet.

[PBSLover]

11 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Poor Courtney. She was told to lose weight so she would be around the same weight as girls her height. That is one of my many pet peeves Kelli seems to enforce. Does she not realize girls of the same height be different sizes and still look darn good in the uniform and the swimwear during the calendar shoot.

Courtney gained some weight in her belly during training camp. That is why Kelli asked her to lose weight. She lost 9 pounds on MyFiTFoods in a few short weeks.

[pizzaandcatsrlife]

There is no thyroid disorder.  It’s called being an 18 year old privileged, immature, brat who had bitten the hand that fed her. #endofstory.  

Edited September 23, 2018 by pizzaandcatsrlife

[JennieM]

42 minutes ago, CPA1967 said:

I’m just going to leave this here for Kelli and Kitty to see what we are seeing each week.  This girl deserves better than being set up for failure and criticism because her mom and best friend want to continue to relive their glory DCC days through VK. She needs to be told the truth and get some help realizing there is more in the world than being a DCC. just my two cents worth. 

One more for good measure. She is twice the size of Jaylyn. 

Oh wow are these for real/unedited??? If so, that's not even DCC "heavy", that's actually obese (or would have been a few decades ago before the whole world got really big). But anyway it's fat by normal standards (definitely beyond what's healthy for an 18 year old), that's shockingly fat for DCC. It's embarrassing. You can't even blame the second picture on angles. How the other girls on weight warning must feel to have to look at that every practice! 

[bigskygirl]

13 minutes ago, PBSLover said:

Courtney gained some weight in her belly during training camp. That is why Kelli asked her to lose weight. She lost 9 pounds on MyFiTFoods in a few short weeks.

Good point, but I still think it is silly the girls who are the same height have to be within a certain weight.

[Pebbles116]

2 minutes ago, JennieM said:

Oh wow are these for real/unedited??? If so, that's not even DCC "heavy", that's actually obese (or would have been a few decades ago before the whole world got really big). But anyway it's fat by normal standards (definitely beyond what's healthy for an 18 year old), that's shockingly fat for DCC. It's embarrassing. You can't even blame the second picture on angles. How the other girls on weight warning must feel to have to look at that every practice! 

If she's "obese" I want to be obese like her. Yes, she is big for DCC. But obese? No.

Edited September 23, 2018 by Pebbles116

[CaseyRe]

1 minute ago, JennieM said:

Oh wow are these for real/unedited??? If so, that's not even DCC "heavy", that's actually obese (or would have been a few decades ago before the whole world got really big). But anyway it's fat by normal standards (definitely beyond what's healthy for an 18 year old), that's shockingly fat for DCC. It's embarrassing. You can't even blame the second picture on angles. How the other girls on weight warning must feel to have to look at that every practice! 

Let's not go crazy, she's nowhere near 'obese'.  DCC obese, maybe, but that's not anywhere near the same thing.   All people will get a crease or roll when they bend, it's literally what they're designed to do. Jayln would too if she were bending over.  to the amount of VK? no, but she still would.  VK is also a different height and build to Jalyn.  she's still a slim girl, certainly far below the average american size, she's just large for DCC and the extra weight shows.

[MyFavShows]

5 minutes ago, JennieM said:

Oh wow are these for real/unedited??? If so, that's not even DCC "heavy", that's actually obese (or would have been a few decades ago before the whole world got really big). But anyway it's fat by normal standards (definitely beyond what's healthy for an 18 year old), that's shockingly fat for DCC. It's embarrassing. You can't even blame the second picture on angles. How the other girls on weight warning must feel to have to look at that every practice! 

I agree she can’t be in the uniform like that, but she is not obsese and certainly not “unhealthy”.   

[JennieM]

1 minute ago, Pebbles116 said:

If she's "obese" I want to be obese like her. Yes, she is big for DCC. But obese? No.

Hence I added that it probably would have been obese a few decades ago before the whole world became very big- yes it probably won't be classed as obese now thinking about how the average size for women have increased over the past few decades. However, I still think that would be in excess of a healthy weight for her age, so would class that as over weight beyond what is considered "DCC heavy".