Finals, Training Camp and Social Media

[ShellyB]

6 hours ago, tinabee1967 said:

Nothing wrong with community colleges. There are many very fine ones available that can springboard students to successful careers. The stigma surrounding them needs to GO.

And several around DFW have direct relationship, automatic acceptance and scholarships to SMU, DBU and TCU. Sometimes it’s financial and just makes sense to get basics out of the way at 1/3 of the cost. 

Edited September 23, 2018 by ShellyB

[ShellyB]

2 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

Where did Dayton choose to go over Arizona?

Not sure why that would matter to you. What really matters is that she’s been in school and will finish when she returns. 

[MyFavShows]

7 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

The science behind why some people have weight problems vs. others is light years ahead of what is out in the public domain. Even medical practitioners are still treating these issues as a will power problem. People have both genetic and biological reasons for being overweight and very often cannot simply just change their habits with the guidance from someone who says "eat clean, eat fresh veggies." It is not that simple and it is not a one size fits all in terms of treatment.  VK likely crash dieted to get ready for auditions but her set point weight was higher and her body reverted. Extremely common. The battle will be lifelong and will need constant vigilant monitoring from a variety of angles. A skinny bird on her shoulder who does not have the understanding for what it means to battle and change biology, will not be helpful. In fact it likely made the shame of this process even worse. The social stigma, as evidenced even on this forum, is so unnecessary.  Years ago, people were blamed for getting cancer too.

I agree.  Probably half that room can have as many milkshakes and burgers as they want and still look perfect for the uniform.   It’s her genetics.

I watched that scene w/ her and Jinelle in the office again and I almost wonder if VK felt embarrassed/humiliated to be sitting there being told about her weight next to this totally skinny tiny lady looking down on her.   At least give her someone with a similar body type to mentor her.  Brooke Sorenson or someone like that would be a lot more appropriate.

Edited September 23, 2018 by MyFavShows

[SmpIsimon]

Just now, ShellyB said:

Not sure why that would matter to you. What really matters is that she’s been in school and will finish when she returns. 

It just seemed relevant to your point that I’d mistakenly assumed she gave up a great opportunity at Arizona (which is a great school) for something inferior near home.

Regardless, I apologize if I offended you  

[MyFavShows]

4 hours ago, LisaWl7TR said:

So VK lied to Kelly but it seems she plans to try out again.  I don't think any other TCC would not be invited back after lying to Kelly. 

I’m sure lots of girls have lied to Kelli and Judy about minor things and been invited back.  I’m sure like w/ anything, it’s the degree, magnitude and consequences of the lie that matter most.

For example, when Kristen and Dayton were late to makeovers, and they said they were pulled over by the cops.  What if one of them really wasn’t pulled over, but just was late for usual lateness reasons?   Do you think Kelli would ban them forever for lying over that?   I don’t.  Not if she thought they killed it at auditions and would be a great squad member.

[ShellyB]

1 minute ago, SmpIsimon said:

It just seemed relevant to your point that I’d mistakenly assumed she gave up a great opportunity at Arizona (which is a great school) for something inferior near home.

Regardless, I apologize if I offended you  

Well, she only walked away from AZ because of the cost...not DCC, it wasn’t on her mind at the time. Her college fund would have been depleted in 1 year and we would still be adding to the pot. 

I’m offended at the assumption that the girls forgo an education for DCC. Probably very true 15+ years ago. But the last few years, a majority of the team has either been currently attending or had already graduated. This year is the most degreed squad yet. Only a couple are still working towards degrees. 

[SmpIsimon]

3 minutes ago, MyFavShows said:

I’m sure lots of girls have lied to Kelli and Judy about minor things and been invited back.  I’m sure like w/ anything, it’s the degree, magnitude and consequences of the lie that matter most.

For example, when Kristen and Dayton were late to makeovers, and they said they were pulled over by the cops.  What if one of them really wasn’t pulled over, but just was late for usual lateness reasons?   Do you think Kelli would ban them forever for lying over that?   I don’t.  Not if she thought they killed it at auditions and would be a great squad member.

Big difference.  It's one thing to lie to cover up something you did that was wrong (i.e., being late), it's an entirely different thing to lie to cover up your failure to do something that would have been good (more specifically, something that was necessary to stay in training camp -- like "go see these folks to help you").  The first is bad, but kinda understandable; the second shows a level of immaturity and entitlement that is hard to fathom (to me at least).

1 minute ago, ShellyB said:

Well, she only walked away from AZ because of the cost...not DCC, it wasn’t on her mind at the time. Her college fund would have been depleted in 1 year and we would still be adding to the pot. 

I’m offended at the assumption that the girls forgo an education for DCC. Probably very true 15+ years ago. But the last few years, a majority of the team has either been currently attending or had already graduated. This year is the most degreed squad yet. Only a couple are still working towards degrees. 

You're right, and I apologize.  I have lived in the South and I saw a number of intelligent young women give up on good colleges or other good opportunities to pursue things like dance, modeling, pageants, etc.  But I'm sure you're right that things have changed and, in any event, it's none of my business.  I apologize again.

[Hummingbird24]

On 9/20/2018 at 10:12 PM, pizzaandcatsrlife said:

Kelli’s bitchery was at a 10 tonight with Tara. 

 

I loved it 

She was very bitchy to Tara. Tara did look pretty bad, but she also looked hot and sweaty as well. 

 Victoria's hair always looks like a tangled mess and she doesn't say shit to her.

I felt like there was an undercurrent of something else Kelli was pissed about.

also, I noticed when they were dancing at the nursing home, Vic was dancing directly in front of whoever was in the 2nd row instead of windowing. She really doesn't have spatial awareness to have been dancing her whole life.

[Tuxcat]

Just throwing this out there regarding editing. I've been re- watching all the earlier seasons. By week 5 most of the TCC are still a mess and forgetting choreo and looking awkward. Judy is yelling at all of them frequently. So the fact that Dayton could have overcome the memory mistakes is valid. It was only week 5 when she was cut.

Maybe I don't understand the reason for making early cuts. They kept saying "we have to cut someone." Why do they have to cut at week 5 If they all have potential. 

[bigskygirl]

There is a big difference in my opinion about saying I was pulled over by law enforcement for a tail light being out or speeding and saying I have a thyroid condition leading to a weight gain and refusing to seek help from a former DCC Kelli ask you to seek help from and saying you went and saw the Cowboys doctor when obviously you did not especially when Kelli sat up the appointment and the doctor took time from his very busy schedule to see you in the first place. And poor Victoria had to be in the same room with Jinelle because Jinelle is petite. Should Judy be in the same room since she looks absolutely amazing and fit at the age of 60. Heck take her out of the room when Shelly walks in too because she looks amazing also, and do not let her sit next to the veterans and TC Candidates who are petite and tiny because it is unfair and might hurt her feelings.

[Hummingbird24]

On 9/21/2018 at 3:14 PM, Jess14 said:

After reading some other responses, I figure it might be a height thing. I’m short with a small frame, so an 11 pound weight gain in a month sounds like an enormous amount of weight to me, but I guess for taller people, it’s not that drastic. Add in the binge dieting if that’s what VK is doing, and I guess I can see it even if she has no health issues. The only dieting that has ever worked for me is counting calories/weight watchers type diets. I can cut back on portions, but I just can’t cut out food groups (no keto diet for me), and I’ve never lasted more than a day on a cleanse that didn’t allow me to drink my coffee with cream and truvia in the morning. 

ITA. I gained close to 20 pounds when I first got diagnosed and put on steroids with AD-Addison's/adrenal insufficiency. I'm tall with long legs, so it wasn't near as noticeable. I went up two pant sizes. 

However, getting that weight off was a struggle for me because I am also hypoglycemic which means no meal replacement shakes, cleanses, fasts, etc.

After 3 years, I lost 8-10 of the 20 and manage to control weight by cutting calories and exercising when I can. I have a slew of health issues. 

Thats why it pisses me off to claim health issues for weight when you don't have any. I mean, I love food, and 5 of those pounds is probably just because I like to eat. ?

I think that's why you see the weight more on Maddie, Tasha, and Jessika than you do on Kashara. Vic was just big from the get go.

[TexasBorn]

I would also like to add, as someone who has a strong loyalty to last year's rookies, I can't deny that this year's CHOSEN rookies are phenomenal. They not only beat the odds of nepotism they also out danced most of the vets, with the exception of Gina (not a fan) and a few other SG DCCs. The powers of the universe was on their side this season. WHEW!

[sleepyjean]

13 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

There is a big difference in my opinion about saying I was pulled over by law enforcement for a tail light being out or speeding and saying I have a thyroid condition leading to a weight gain and refusing to seek help from a former DCC Kelli ask you to seek help from and saying you went and saw the Cowboys doctor when obviously you did not especially when Kelli sat up the appointment and the doctor took time from his very busy schedule to see you in the first place. And poor Victoria had to be in the same room with Jinelle because Jinelle is petite. Should Judy be in the same room since she looks absolutely amazing and fit at the age of 60. Heck take her out of the room when Shelly walks in too because she looks amazing also, and do not let her sit next to the veterans and TC Candidates who are petite and tiny because it is unfair and might hurt her feelings.

Yeah, there's a little whiff of snowflake there. The way jinelle looks might make Victoria feel bad, why didn't they choose someone who has had a weight problem so VK doesn't feel inferior?

That is all a load of nonsense. If jinelle has valuable information to share, and she's offering to help, take the help. I'm sorry it's not offered in exactly the package you'd prefer. 

Edited September 23, 2018 by sleepyjean

[Tuxcat]

12 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

There is a big difference in my opinion about saying I was pulled over by law enforcement for a tail light being out or speeding and saying I have a thyroid condition leading to a weight gain and refusing to seek help from a former DCC Kelli ask you to seek help from and saying you went and saw the Cowboys doctor when obviously you did not especially when Kelli sat up the appointment and the doctor took time from his very busy schedule to see you in the first place. And poor Victoria had to be in the same room with Jinelle because Jinelle is petite. Should Judy be in the same room since she looks absolutely amazing and fit at the age of 60. Heck take her out of the room when Shelly walks in too because she looks amazing also, and do not let her sit next to the veterans and TC Candidates who are petite and tiny because it is unfair and might hurt her feelings.

The point is that Jinelle was not an appropriate mentor for someone with genetic and biological struggles with weight. She is a very healthy person and works hard for that.  But she lacks the the ability to empathize. And she lacks the fundamental understanding for why some people struggle and some people do not.

The very reason that VK thought she had to lie to begin with is the problem. She is ashamed and afraid. Even if she doesn't have a thyroid condition, weight struggle is a very real medical condition. Judgment is not necessary. 

[MyFavShows]

3 hours ago, rose711 said:

I never understood that scene or interaction. That’s the only time they’ve shown girls criticizing others in front of the team and Judy and Kelli. I thought it was created for drama in the show.

I will forever think Cassie and Aly were complete bitches as DCCs over that scene.   Like when Aly was saying that stuff about how “your GL says you did something wrong you sit there and take it w/ a yes ma’am and say thank you.”  What a bitch!

I’m surprised Taylor just didn’t up and quit after it all.   Plus she seemed pretty sure she never said what Cassie said she did about not needing to practice.   I wonder what really happened?

Edited September 23, 2018 by MyFavShows

[TexasBorn]

2 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

The point is that Jinelle was not an appropriate mentor for someone with genetic and biological struggles with weight. She is a very healthy person and works hard for that.  But she lacks the the ability to empathize. And she lacks the fundamental understanding for why some people struggle and some people do not.

The very reason that VK thought she had to lie to begin with is the problem. She is ashamed and afraid. Even if she doesn't have a thyroid condition, weight struggle is a very real medical condition. Judgment is not necessary. 

I actually thought it was over generous (and grotesque) for Kelli to offer up Jinelle as an adult babysitter. That's one pampered TCC. Some celebrities have sober coaches, while VK gets a free "shut your piehole" coach. Bless VKs heart.

[bigskygirl]

2 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

The point is that Jinelle was not an appropriate mentor for someone with genetic and biological struggles with weight. She is a very healthy person and works hard for that.  But she lacks the the ability to empathize. And she lacks the fundamental understanding for why some people struggle and some people do not.

The very reason that VK thought she had to lie to begin with is the problem. She is ashamed and afraid. Even if she doesn't have a thyroid condition, weight struggle is a very real medical condition. Judgment is not necessary. 

My husband's kidney specialist did not end up with Acute Renal Failure, ended up having dialysis treatments for a little over three years, and had a kidney transplant fourteen years ago, so does this mean he should not be treating my husband. We do not know if Jinelle does not have patience and sympathy for what Victoria is going through. Jinelle was thought to be too skinny when she tried out for the team, and her makeover helped her makes the team. I bet Jinelle did not wait until she got together with Victoria and said hey you porker pay attention to what I want you to do because I will make your life a living heck if you do not pay attention. If Victoria did not want to work with her, she could have ask for someone else.

And my problem with Victoria lying by saying she might have had a thyroid condition is the fact millions of people (myself included) have a thyroid disorder. I have been dealing with multiple health issues related to hypothyroidism and the medication I take for it for five and half years. It is not to be taken likely or should be use as an excuse to cover up weight gain. If she is ashamed and afraid own up to it and seek help instead of using some medical condition and lying about it when others are trying their best to help you.

[RazzleberryPie]

10 hours ago, Pebbles116 said:

As a university professor in Dallas, I feel this is 100% inaccurate. This might be true for people who want to pursue the arts like dance as a profession (i.e. Dayton and VK), but the statement that "being a DCC is considered the best thing a woman can do with her life, including going to college" is completely false for the majority of people, especially women.

Thank you. Maybe being a DCC is the best thing for some dancers in Texas, and the focus of the show, but a huge, false stereotype, just like the stereotype that girls go for DCC to become a trophy wife. I hate both of these assumptions. 

1 hour ago, MyFavShows said:

 

I watched that scene w/ her and Jinelle in the office again and I almost wonder if VK felt embarrassed/humiliated to be sitting there being told about her weight next to this totally skinny tiny lady looking down on her.   At least give her someone with a similar body type to mentor her.  Brooke Sorenson or someone like that would be a lot more appropriate.

As for someone who also carries weight in the mid section, even when everything else gets super fit (why I liked Meredith and understood), I would be offended if JINELLE the twig was brought in as the nutrition advisor. I’m sure she has a strict diet and is very active, but NOTHING will make VK or 99.9% of women look like Jinelle, who I personally still think is way too thin and stringy. 

41 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

You're right, and I apologize.  I have lived in the South and I saw a number of intelligent young women give up on good colleges or other good opportunities to pursue things like dance, modeling, pageants, etc.  But I'm sure you're right that things have changed and, in any event, it's none of my business.  I apologize again.

I have lived in the South almost my entire life, and my family still does. I have seen the exact opposite - many intelligent women drag out college or purse masters simply to stay in school for pageants, bc Miss America requires scholarship as a huge component. I have known many girls who leave to get married and then go back, and as a former dancer known a few who do pursue pro dance a year or two before college. However, I have never in my life met anyone who has turned down scholarships or quit school to be a model or pageant girl. You read stories of Cindy Crawford or Ashton Kutcher (both from Midwest) who quit engineering school to model, but I’ve never known anyone personally  in the South who did so.

[sleepyjean]

5 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

The point is that Jinelle was not an appropriate ment8or for someone with genetic and biological struggles with weight. 

But why not? By that logic, nutritionists, fitness coaches, personal trainers, etc. Would all have to have struggled with weight issues in order to effectively help their clients and that is not the case. Ultimately, it is encumbent on VK, as an adult, to get her body in the right condition. (It goes without saying that she should have arrived in the right shape to begin with.) She can go out and hire whatever resources she needs, including a nutritionist with a similar background in weight struggles, if that's what would help. Jinelle was a free gift. It isn't the DCC's responsibility to get VK into shape and to find appropriately empathetic resources to provide those services.

[bigskygirl]

Just now, RazzleberryPie said:

Thank you. Maybe being a DCC is the best thing for some dancers in Texas, and the focus of the show, but a huge, false stereotype, just like the stereotype that girls go for DCC to become a trophy wife. I hate both of these assumptions. 

As for someone who also carries weight in the mid section, even when everything else gets super fit (why I liked Meredith and understood), I would be offended if JINELLE the twig was brought in as the nutrition advisor. I’m sure she has a strict diet and is very active, but NOTHING will make VK or 99.9% of women look like Jinelle, who I personally still think is way too thin and stringy. 

I have lived in the South almost my entire life, and my family still does. I have seen the exact opposite - many intelligent women drag out college or purse masters simply to stay in school for pageants, bc Miss America requires scholarship as a huge component. I have known many girls who leave to get married and then go back, and as a former dancer known a few who do pursue pro dance a year or two before college. However, I have never in my life met anyone who has turned down scholarships or quit school to be a model or pageant girl. You read stories of Cindy Crawford or Ashton Kutcher (both from Midwest) who quit engineering school to model, but I’ve never known anyone personally  in the South who did so.

Remember Kelli ask Jinelle to do it. Plus the fact it really does not matter since Victoria did not meet with Jinelle for any type of help at all.

[RazzleberryPie]

22 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

Remember Kelli ask Jinelle to do it. Plus the fact it really does not matter since Victoria did not meet with Jinelle for any type of help at all.

That tells me either Kelli is clueless, or she was insulting VK by suggesting she eat right and turns into Jinelle. I agree with the idea that bringing in somebody who actually struggled with weight issues would be better. At 18 I would’ve been dumb enough to blow off Jinelle, too.

Edited September 24, 2018 by RazzleberryPie

[TexasBorn]

1 minute ago, sleepyjean said:

But why not? By that logic, nutritionists, fitness coaches, personal trainers, etc. Would all have to have struggled with weight issues in order to effectively help their clients and that is not the case. Ultimately, it is encumbent on VK, as an adult, to get her body in the right condition. (It goes without saying that she should have arrived in the right shape to begin with.) She can go out and hire whatever resources she needs, including a nutritionist with a similar background in weight struggles, if that's what would help. Jinelle was a free gift. It isn't the DCC's responsibility to get VK into shape and to find appropriately empathetic resources to provide those services.

AMEN! Has any other TCC in the history of MTT gotten THIS MUCH HELP. Geez.

[Tuxcat]

13 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

But why not? By that logic, nutritionists, fitness coaches, personal trainers, etc. Would all have to have struggled with weight issues in order to effectively help their clients and that is not the case. Ultimately, it is encumbent on VK, as an adult, to get her body in the right condition. (It goes without saying that she should have arrived in the right shape to begin with.) She can go out and hire whatever resources she needs, including a nutritionist with a similar background in weight struggles, if that's what would help. Jinelle was a free gift. It isn't the DCC's responsibility to get VK into shape and to find appropriately empathetic resources to provide those services.

Jinelle has NEITHER the empathy needed NOR the training necessary. She is not a certified nutritionist, fitness coach or personal trainer.

I agree that it is not DCC that is responsible for VK's health. I just understand why VK would blow off Jinelle and feel as if she needed to lie. 

Yes, you are correct. VK does need to find a team to help her. She will struggle her entire life.

Edited September 23, 2018 by Tuxcat

[bigskygirl]

3 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Jinelle has NEITHER the empathy needed NOR the training necessary. She is not a certified nutritionist, fitness coach or personal trainer.

If Victoria felt like this, she could have went to Kelli and ask for a certified nutritionist or even ask Jay for some help. Plus the fact Jinelle was consulting with a nutritionist to help Victoria with eating and fitness tips. She did not seek out to help Victoria by herself, and the real fact reminds is Victoria kept bushing Jinelle off, and Jinelle covered for her. The moot point Jinelle was not working with Victoria at all, and we do not know if Jinelle showed any empathy at all when it comes to Victoria. Okay I take it back, Jinelle covered for Victoria so she must have some empathy at all because once Kelli found out what really happened Jinelle could have gotten the axe.

[TexasBorn]

2 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Jinelle has NEITHER the empathy needed NOR the training necessary. She is not a certified nutritionist, fitness coach or personal trainer.

Jinelle is a moot point. Kelli was desperate for VK (or desperate to please TK) so she scrambled for  as many resources as she could. Kelli was grabbing solutions out of a magic hat and Jinelle was the rabbit that was available.

2 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

If Victoria felt like this, she could have went to Kelli and ask for a certified nutritionist or even ask Jay for some help. Plus the fact Jinelle was consulting with a nutritionist to help Victoria with eating and fitness tips. She did not seek out to help Victoria by herself, and the real fact reminds is Victoria kept bushing Jinelle off, and Jinelle covered for her. The moot point Jinelle was not working with Victoria at all, and we do not know if Jinelle showed any empathy at all when it comes to Victoria. Okay I take it back, Jinelle covered for Victoria so she must have some empathy at all because once Kelli found out what really happened Jinelle could have gotten the axe.

This all too bizarre. I didn't realize TCCs and even vets had options to opt out of anything that would HELP them make the team.

[MTTFan]

28 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

The point is that Jinelle was not an appropriate mentor for someone with genetic and biological struggles with weight. She is a very healthy person and works hard for that.  But she lacks the the ability to empathize. And she lacks the fundamental understanding for why some people struggle and some people do not.

The very reason that VK thought she had to lie to begin with is the problem. She is ashamed and afraid. Even if she doesn't have a thyroid condition, weight struggle is a very real medical condition. Judgment is not necessary. 

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I so disagree with this -- are you saying that only overweight people can counsel other overweight people?  Also, you assume VK's assertion that she has genetic or biological struggles with weight is the truth.  I am not sure that any of us know Jinelle's backstory - she could have been the chubby kid when she was in HS for all we know.  I think Jinelle would be a great mentor -- she knows nutrition, she knows the organization and she knows the stress of camp.

For my money, if it is true that VK was "guaranteed" spot, she threw it away with both hands by gaining 11 pounds in training camp -- if she had the genetic biological problems in camp -- why weren't they manifested before camp -- stopping for milkshakes after training and going for the two scoops of whipped cream after being released belies her assertion.  I don't believe it for a red-hot second.

She comes across as a spoiled "I believe that I am entitled" person and I can totally believe that there was a celebration in the locker room after the cut.

She is not the only one to "blame for this fiasco -- Kelly (nepotism), Judy (not being assertive) Kitty (for being hypocritical) and her mother (for putting Kelli in a no-win situation).

This football season needs to be over already.

[Pebbles116]

5 minutes ago, MTTFan said:

I so disagree with this -- are you saying that only overweight people can counsel other overweight people?  Also, you assume VK's assertion that she has genetic or biological struggles with weight is the truth.  I am not sure that any of us know Jinelle's backstory - she could have been the chubby kid when she was in HS for all we know.  I think Jinelle would be a great mentor -- she knows nutrition, she knows the organization and she knows the stress of camp.

For my money, if it is true that VK was "guaranteed" spot, she threw it away with both hands by gaining 11 pounds in training camp -- if she had the genetic biological problems in camp -- why weren't they manifested before camp -- stopping for milkshakes after training and going for the two scoops of whipped cream after being released belies her assertion.  I don't believe it for a red-hot second.

She comes across as a spoiled "I believe that I am entitled" person and I can totally believe that there was a celebration in the locker room after the cut.

She is not the only one to "blame for this fiasco -- Kelly (nepotism), Judy (not being assertive) Kitty (for being hypocritical) and her mother (for putting Kelli in a no-win situation).

This football season needs to be over already.

To be fair, the post of her getting ice cream with Emma and her husband was a throwback post. It actually took place a year ago. 

 

ETA: sorry I realize we are talking about different pictures. Ignore me. 

Edited September 23, 2018 by Pebbles116

[MyFavShows]

21 minutes ago, TexasBorn said:

AMEN! Has any other TCC in the history of MTT gotten THIS MUCH HELP. Geez.

Yes.  Many have been offered resources to help them with things they struggle with when K&J feel the candidate is otherwise right for the team.   Sometimes those resources are good ideas, and sometimes (IMO like in this case w/ Jinelle) they have not been ideal.

[TexasBorn]

1 minute ago, MTTFan said:

I so disagree with this -- are you saying that only overweight people can counsel other overweight people?  Also, you assume VK's assertion that she has genetic or biological struggles with weight is the truth.  I am not sure that any of us know Jinelle's backstory - she could have been the chubby kid when she was in HS for all we know.  I think Jinelle would be a great mentor -- she knows nutrition, she knows the organization and she knows the stress of camp.

For my money, if it is true that VK was "guaranteed" spot, she threw it away with both hands by gaining 11 pounds in training camp -- if she had the genetic biological problems in camp -- why weren't they manifested before camp -- stopping for milkshakes after training and going for the two scoops of whipped cream after being released belies her assertion.  I don't believe it for a red-hot second.

She comes across as a spoiled "I believe that I am entitled" person and I can totally believe that there was a celebration in the locker room after the cut.

She is not the only one to "blame for this fiasco -- Kelly (nepotism), Judy (not being assertive) Kitty (for being hypocritical) and her mother (for putting Kelli in a no-win situation).

This football season needs to be over already.

I agree. Kelli looks out of control and panicked this season. I felt like I was watching Kelly Making Tina's Team.

[Tuxcat]

2 minutes ago, MTTFan said:

I so disagree with this -- are you saying that only overweight people can counsel other overweight people?  Also, you assume VK's assertion that she has genetic or biological struggles with weight is the truth.  I am not sure that any of us know Jinelle's backstory - she could have been the chubby kid when she was in HS for all we know.  I think Jinelle would be a great mentor -- she knows nutrition, she knows the organization and she knows the stress of camp.

For my money, if it is true that VK was "guaranteed" spot, she threw it away with both hands by gaining 11 pounds in training camp -- if she had the genetic biological problems in camp -- why weren't they manifested before camp -- stopping for milkshakes after training and going for the two scoops of whipped cream after being released belies her assertion.  I don't believe it for a red-hot second.

She comes across as a spoiled "I believe that I am entitled" person and I can totally believe that there was a celebration in the locker room after the cut.

She is not the only one to "blame for this fiasco -- Kelly (nepotism), Judy (not being assertive) Kitty (for being hypocritical) and her mother (for putting Kelli in a no-win situation).

This football season needs to be over already.

Yes I assume VK's assertion that she has a genetic or biological struggle with weight is the truth. Because it is. The scientific evidence is very clear on this subject. Only people trained with the proper knowledge to counsel someone appropriately should be utilized otherwise you do more harm than good  - long term.  It's not just about milkshakes.

I'm done making my point. 

[bigskygirl]

If I remember correctly, there was a girl in Season 2 who was called out for her weight. She was told to go work out with Jay, but she did not, and she ended up getting cut. I  guess she was not happy about being cut.

I do not understand why Victoria felt like she needed to lie about having a thyroid problem. She had so many great advantages to work on her weight. I mean she was at practices at The Star. They had nutritionists, fitness instructors, physicians, and yes Jay. Jordan Ketchum from Season 3 had a real actual thyroid disorder and was called out for weight. She worked with Jay and was able to tone up well enough to make the team. Megan Sharp was called out for her weight and was almost cut her fourth and last year. She allegedly had a thyroid disorder leading to her weight gain, but she ended up being an assistant group leader and was made an All-Star after retiring.

What will happen with her when she finally gets out in the real world without her mother, and she lies to her boss or supervisor at work like she did with Kelli and Charlotte. I do not think her boss will be busting his or her behind in order to save her from losing her job. Stop being her enabler and help the poor girl.

[sleepyjean]

14 minutes ago, TexasBorn said:

Jinelle is a moot point. Kelli was desperate for VK (or desperate to please TK) so she scrambled for  as many resources as she could. Kelli was grabbing solutions out of a magic hat and Jinelle was the rabbit that was available.

Yeah and apparently Kelli was more desperate than Victoria was. Victoria is the one who should have been scrambling, not only to get into shape, but also to show her commitment by actively accepting and seeking every possible assistance.

I truly do not understand some of the reactions...as if talking to jinelle would have been some tremendously damaging experience. If she was ineffective, then ok, those are a few hours of life vk wouldn't get back. She could've thanked Jinelle, gotten in her car, and driven right to a nutritionist. It bothers me that people are reacting as if VK had no agency, as if the problem was that the DCC didn't offer the "right" resources. This was 100% Victoria's responsibility to take care of, not Kelli's job to find out the root cause and solution for Victoria's weight gain. Kelli is her potential employer, not her mother or her physician.

[bigskygirl]

8 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

Yeah and apparently Kelli was more desperate than Victoria was. Victoria is the one who should have been scrambling, not only to get into shape, but also to show her commitment by actively accepting and seeking every possible assistance.

I truly do not understand some of the reactions...as if talking to jinelle would have been some tremendously damaging experience. If she was ineffective, then ok, those are a few hours of life vk wouldn't get back. She could've thanked Jinelle, gotten in her car, and driven right to a nutritionist. It bothers me that people are reacting as if VK had no agency, as if the problem was that the DCC didn't offer the "right" resources. This was 100% Victoria's responsibility to take care of, not Kelli's job to find out the root cause and solution for Victoria's weight gain. Kelli is her potential employer, not her mother or her physician.

Right on! Not enough likes on the planet for this post.

I bet if Kelli would have ask Tasha who struggled with her weight last year and came close to being cut for a bad interview and weight gain Victoria would have brushed her off too. Former and current DCCs offered to help Victoria out, but she refused the help. Do not blame them for Victoria's mistakes and weight gain (and yes her "enablers" Miss Kitty, Charlotte, Tina, Kelli and CMT need to take part of the blame also.)

Edited September 23, 2018 by bigskygirl

[MTTFan]

1 minute ago, sleepyjean said:

Yeah and apparently Kelli was more desperate than Victoria was. Victoria is the one who should have been scrambling, not only to get into shape, but also to show her commitment by actively accepting and seeking every possible assistance.

I truly do not understand some of the reactions...as if talking to jinelle would have been some tremendously damaging experience. If she was ineffective, then ok, those are a few hours of life vk wouldn't get back. She could've thanked Jinelle, gotten in her car, and driven right to a nutritionist. It bothers me that people are reacting as if VK had no agency, as if the problem was that the DCC didn't offer the "right" resources. This was 100% Victoria's responsibility to take care of, not Kelli's job to find out the root cause and solution for Victoria's weight gain. Kelli is her potential employer, not her mother or her physician.

I agree and would also add that VK, if guaranteed a spot, should have been more considerate of the position that both she and Kelli were in -- Ceasar's wife and all that -- but having empathy for the situation is something that comes with maturity -- that's not a dig at VK - just an observation.

 

Also an observation -- truth is truth and help is help no matter the size of the package it comes in.

[Jess14]

20 minutes ago, RazzleberryPie said:

Thank you. Maybe being a DCC is the best thing for some dancers in Texas, and the focus of the show, but a huge, false stereotype, just like the stereotype that girls go for DCC to become a trophy wife. I hate both of these assumptions. 

As for someone who also carries weight in the mid section, even when everything else gets super fit (why I liked Meredith and understood), I would be offended if JINELLE the twig was brought in as the nutrition advisor. I’m sure she has a strict diet and is very active, but NOTHING will make VK or 99.9% of women look like Jinelle, who I personally still think is way too thin and stringy. 

I have lived in the South almost my entire life, and my family still does. I have seen the exact opposite - many intelligent women drag out college or purse masters simply to stay in school for pageants, bc Miss America requires scholarship as a huge component. I have known many girls who leave to get married and then go back, and as a former dancer known a few who do pursue pro dance a year or two before college. However, I have never in my life met anyone who has turned down scholarships or quit school to be a model or pageant girl. You read stories of Cindy Crawford or Ashton Kutcher (both from Midwest) who quit engineering school to model, but I’ve never known anyone personally  in the South who did so.

All of this! 

I would also point out that there are 2 different issues: 

1) Should VK have had the maturity to take Jinelle's help and put in the effort whether she thought it would be helpful or not? Of course, advice from someone who has established a good diet on a similar schedule is never a bad thing.

2) Is someone who is not a nutritionist and does not have the body type, nor has ever struggled with weight issues (I'm not talking about struggles with gaining weight) the most appropriate or effective person to help VK lose weight? Perhaps, but maybe not.

Again, VK should have taken the help regardless, especially if Jinelle was taking time out of her day to help her. It's just flat out rude not to. Furthermore, it's not really the DCC's job to keep VK uniform-ready. If she doesn't have the body, she doesn't have it (like most of the population lol). 

[SmpIsimon]

It doesn't matter whether you think Jinelle is qualified at all.  That is entirely irrelevant.  If your boss says "oh, we see you have a problem.  We'd like you to do X," then you have two options: 1) do X and try your hardest to make it work; or 2) respond with "gee, I appreciate that, but I don't think X will work for me for these reasons."  What's definitely NOT okay is to say, "okay, thanks!" and then (for whatever reason) refuse to do X.  

[MTTFan]

Question:  Would anyone of us refuse a Christmas present because we didn't like or resent the wrapping paper -- knowing that the package had a better than good chance of containing the keys to the kingdom?

[SimplePleasures]

I'll be honest, I only like this show for the trainwrecks.

Through all of this bullshit, I still don't know why it's so fucking important to have legacies on the DCC.  Because, personally, all the DCC are is a bunch of women shaking their ass and tits in unison for all the world to see.  A very public stripper pole if you ask me.  Name a dozen or more alumni that have turned their tenure as a DCC into a lifelong dance career.  I can only think of one and she's a Radio City Rockette. 

That's my rant and I'm sticking to it.

Edited September 23, 2018 by SimplePleasures
It's "their" dipshit, "THEIR"

[bigskygirl]

4 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

It doesn't matter whether you think Jinelle is qualified at all.  That is entirely irrelevant.  If your boss says "oh, we see you have a problem.  We'd like you to do X," then you have two options: 1) do X and try your hardest to make it work; or 2) respond with "gee, I appreciate that, but I don't think X will work for me for these reasons."  What's definitely NOT okay is to say, "okay, thanks!" and then (for whatever reason) refuse to do X.  

This post makes me wonder if they wanted her to work with Melissa the Mentor, and if she would have been absolutely not and avoided Melissa like she was the plague.

[MTTFan]

2 minutes ago, SimplePleasures said:

I'll be honest, I only like this show for the trainwrecks.

Through all of this bullshit, I still don't know why it's so fucking important to have legacies on the DCC.  Because, personally, all the DCC are is a bunch of women shaking their ass and tits in unison for all the world to see.  A very public stripper pole if you ask me.  Name a dozen or more alumni that have turned there tenure as a DCC into a lifelong dance career.  I can only think of one and she's a Radio City Rockette. 

That's my rant and I'm sticking to it.

:)

Edited September 23, 2018 by MTTFan
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[TexasBorn]

17 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

Yeah and apparently Kelli was more desperate than Victoria was. Victoria is the one who should have been scrambling, not only to get into shape, but also to show her commitment by actively accepting and seeking every possible assistance.

I truly do not understand some of the reactions...as if talking to jinelle would have been some tremendously damaging experience. If she was ineffective, then ok, those are a few hours of life vk wouldn't get back. She could've thanked Jinelle, gotten in her car, and driven right to a nutritionist. It bothers me that people are reacting as if VK had no agency, as if the problem was that the DCC didn't offer the "right" resources. This was 100% Victoria's responsibility to take care of, not Kelli's job to find out the root cause and solution for Victoria's weight gain. Kelli is her potential employer, not her mother or her physician.

THIS!!!

[Amk2017]

So I couldn’t attach the picture but here is what was posted with Emma’s husband, Victoria and Sam.  It’s just the comment that makes Victoria seem immature and not taking it seriously.  She’s like to eat the way she likes.  And the way Emma’s husband quotes “fluffiest,” I personally think that was probably said to Victoria.  They have been sugar coating how big Victoria is, so maybe Kelly said she was fluffy instead of saying your big.  This was just from August 11, after  Victoria was cut.  Anyone can go to Victoria’s tagged photos on Instagram and see this.  It’s almost like a slap in the face to those who cut her.  

[PrincessLeia]

3 hours ago, ShellyB said:

Thanks for clarifying. Not all kids are cut out for college/or can afford it but, I feel that most parents push for higher ed...who doesn’t want want their kids to do more, see more than they did? I’d love for all 3 of mine to have Masters and beyond, 2 out of 3 will most likely do so. And...you know what they say about assuming??

 

@ShellyB I completely agree that college isn’t for everyone... former high school teacher here. So many of my students wasted time going to colleges when they were better suited to a trade program where they’d learn a specific skill and make good money. I basically want my kids to be contributing members of society and to be able to pay their bills. Hopefully that means a good college, but if it doesn’t we’ll cross that bridge when we get there. I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with someone postponing college to follow their dreams! If that’s being a DCC or a Rockette, or traveling around the world, go for it! You just have to have a plan.

Edited September 23, 2018 by PrincessLeia

[TexasBorn]

3 minutes ago, MTTFan said:

:)

Tablet!!!!!

[SmpIsimon]

Meanwhile VK is eating like a pig and bragging about it and, worst of all, talking shit to Kelli and Judy about how Brennan does not "really want it" and Madeline is a bitch (just learned about this last one).  I'm sorry, I do not see this girl as a victim at all -- she was doing all she could to knock out the competition instead of working on making herself be the best she could be.

[TexasBorn]

7 minutes ago, SimplePleasures said:

I'll be honest, I only like this show for the trainwrecks.

Through all of this bullshit, I still don't know why it's so fucking important to have legacies on the DCC.  Because, personally, all the DCC are is a bunch of women shaking their ass and tits in unison for all the world to see.  A very public stripper pole if you ask me.  Name a dozen or more alumni that have turned there tenure as a DCC into a lifelong dance career.  I can only think of one and she's a Radio City Rockette. 

That's my rant and I'm sticking to it.

TABLET!!!

[MTTFan]

2 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

Meanwhile VK is eating like a pig and bragging about it and, worst of all, talking shit to Kelli and Judy about how Brennan does not "really want it" and Madeline is a bitch (just learned about this last one).  I'm sorry, I do not see this girl as a victim at all -- she was doing all she could to knock out the competition instead of working on making herself be the best she could be.

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Are you serious?  *off to catch my eyes that fell out of my head in disbelief and are rolling across the floor*

Edited September 23, 2018 by MTTFan
proofreading :(

[MyFavShows]

5 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

This post makes me wonder if they wanted her to work with Melissa the Mentor, and if she would have been absolutely not and avoided Melissa like she was the plague.

Wasn’t there a candidate who did exactly that a couple seasons ago - didn’t go to the Melissa sessions?

I wonder if they wanted to film VK’s sessions with Jinelle and maybe that had something to do with her blowing her off.  

[bigskygirl]

3 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

Meanwhile VK is eating like a pig and bragging about it and, worst of all, talking shit to Kelli and Judy about how Brennan does not "really want it" and Madeline is a bitch (just learned about this last one).  I'm sorry, I do not see this girl as a victim at all -- she was doing all she could to knock out the competition instead of working on making herself be the best she could be.

Okay the eating like a pig part I will leave alone, but the talking shit part to Kelli and Judy I would believe. And yes, I am not a big fan of Brennan, but I would rather see her on the squad than Victoria. I still feel bad for Victoria a little because I truly think the environment is in caused a part of the problem. Too many enablers in her corner, and someone needs to sit down with her and explain how the real world is because sooner or later the day will come when her enablers will not help her out of a situation where her lies catch up to her.

[CaseyRe]

11 minutes ago, MTTFan said:

I so disagree with this -- are you saying that only overweight people can counsel other overweight people?  Also, you assume VK's assertion that she has genetic or biological struggles with weight is the truth.  I am not sure that any of us know Jinelle's backstory - she could have been the chubby kid when she was in HS for all we know.  I think Jinelle would be a great mentor -- she knows nutrition, she knows the organization and she knows the stress of camp.

For my money, if it is true that VK was "guaranteed" spot, she threw it away with both hands by gaining 11 pounds in training camp -- if she had the genetic biological problems in camp -- why weren't they manifested before camp -- stopping for milkshakes after training and going for the two scoops of whipped cream after being released belies her assertion.  I don't believe it for a red-hot second.

She comes across as a spoiled "I believe that I am entitled" person and I can totally believe that there was a celebration in the locker room after the cut.

She is not the only one to "blame for this fiasco -- Kelly (nepotism), Judy (not being assertive) Kitty (for being hypocritical) and her mother (for putting Kelli in a no-win situation).

This football season needs to be over already.

agreed. 

I have always struggled with my weight. I'm tall and large framed and have always had weight issues, literally since birth.  In the months you're meant to double your birth weight, I trebled mine, and it wasn't like my parents were feeding my stuff I shouldn't have, I was breastfed, no more than my sister, only when hungry and I gained a lot of weight.  I was a butterball.  I will struggle with my weight all my life.   both my parents have hypothyroidism and I'm also on the cusp of that.

BUT

there is a time you have to take some god damn responsibility for yourself. 

by 21 I weighed nearly 300lb. I had severe depression and food was my comfort. i'd stopped skating and didn't exercise enough.  then one day enough was enough.  I shed nearly half my body weight over about 2 years.  It was hard as hell, but I DID it. unfortunately 10lb from goal I broke my back in 3 places and am now on a boatload of meds that cause weight gain and Im banned from certain workouts because ofthe fragility of my spine so weight loss is now even harder for me.

but I try not to make excuses. I know I struggle with my weight, so I watch what I eat like a hawk.  Would I love to have toast every day or have a milkshake on the regular? of course.  do i? No. because I know it's a slippery slope.  I haven't eaten chocolate in a decade, I eat low carb during the week, I workout 1.5hours a day 5-6 days a week, including christmas  (much to the annoyance of family but its also partially physiotheerapy so I can continue to walk so I do it).  I have a cheat day once a week that's actually a cheat two hours in which I have a bagel or packet of chips or something so that I don't feel 100% deprived of fun stuff all the time.  Christmas dinner and maybe a slice of cake on my birthday are my big cheats with extremely periodic other meals but generally if I go out to dinner, I chose a salad, no dressing.

I do this because I know I have issues with weight.  So I take responsibility.  Research suggests that genetics only accounts for about 50ish% of our weight variability, meaning that being overweight, even if you're loaded up with the "bad" genes, is in no way a done deal.  It's not a one and done thing. you can influence it.  it just takes dedication and work and, unfortunately, takin that dedication through the rest of your life.

I've seen nutritionalists, slim fit people that haven't had weight issues and had zero problems interacting with them as a result.  My sister is a semi-pro triathlete that's never struggled with her weight and she gives me advice on workouts, or on healthy meals and she's got empathy for my situation even if she's super fit and thin and doesn't have personal experience with weight issues.  just because they've not had weight issues doesn't mean their advice is suddenly meaningless. good nutrition is good nutrition, good exercise advice is good exercise advice and sorry, but willpower is a damn part of it.  Every thing I've read about genetics and weight have all stated that the best thing is prevention rather than trying to lose the weight, try to ensure you don't put it on in the first place and that involves taking a good hard look at your eating habits and your workouts, and being honet with yourself about your eating.  you cannot outrun a bad diet.  it means people like me have to be more strict with their diets and workout more, just to not gain, let alone lose.  and the worst thing is to yo-yo diet. it's a lifestyle not a diet. its the rest of your life, making sure that you eat a certain way, workout a certain way.  people like me have to workout more than others to just maintain, let alone lose weight, and in knowing that I can utilise it, not sit around and just say 'well I can't ose weight because of genetics so I'm not going to put the effort in'.  In this case I don't see why sending her to Jinelle is so bad - jinelle lives a healthy lifestyle not diet. she has tips and tricks to make that easier. she was also under the guidance of a trained nutritionalist. I don't see a single thing wrong with Jinelle being brought in.

Does it suck that I can't eat what I want? YES.  Does it suck that sometimes people will say to me when I order yet another salad 'oh it's just one meal what will it hurt?' YES. because I can LOOK at a raisin and gain five pounds so eating the pizza that they've ordered would nigh on kill me.  But I value my health and my mental wellbeing and quite frankly my desire to fit into my clothes more than the desire to eat ice cream or burgers.  I've found other ways of enjoying foods that are healthy.  I've found exercises I love and enjoy and look forward to doing.

Victoria was given a wonderful opportunity to learn how to best work with her body and she ran from it. if she does truly have struggles with her weight, thyroid issue or not, then she needs to take responsibility for it or she'll just keep gaining weight and it'll be all the more difficult to lose it. I know that from personal experience.