S10.E04: War and P.O.S

[Mindthinkr]

13 hours ago, howiveaddict said:

And what is up with Lu Ann's braids.  I read today that she smokes pot.  Maybe the braids are part of her new hippie life style.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.

That’s interesting. On Vanderpump Rules one of the girls named Katie, when she became Tequila Katie, was not a very nice person. She became similar to Dorinda. She toned down her drinking and began to smoke pot or eat edibles (she’s in CA where it’s legal). She’s toned down now from a hot mess to the seasons favorite character. LuAnn may be taking a similar approach. Now she can bond better with Carole because they can sit, toke and chill together. Can I ask where you read that or could you please post a link? Thank you. 

Edited to add: Someone posted a link on the Countess thread about where to find the link; it came from Page Six. 

Edited April 26, 2018 by Mindthinkr

[Chit Chat]

6 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Am I the only one who gets that Carole is being tongue-in-cheek about the "marathon party"?

I can never tell with Carole.  I really do think she was serious though.  I guess Ramona should've had a life-size cardboard cutout made of her crossing the finish line.  ;)

Hugs to you, Linderville.  

[Keywestclubkid]

7 hours ago, Drumpf1737 said:

Sonja's entire existence is the past. There are things that remind Dorinda of Richard, but she doesn't spend an entire conversation telling you about a yacht she hasn't owned in 15 years. I am wondering if a major milestone related to Richard is approaching. Typically if someone talks about a dead spouse or pet, a significant anniversary is approaching so everything is a reminder and a reason to talk about the lost loved one.

 

Yesss to all of this... when Dorienda talks about the past its always about Richard .....he would have loved something or oh Richard would have done this or that she is talking about a man she LOVED/LOVES and she never brags she just brings it up in a sad loving way ... Sonja on the other hand talks about boats parties people she used to hang with like it was yesterday not 20 years ago and its the things that came with her ex not her ex himself when she gets caught doing that then she throws in some lip service like oh he was my best friend no no honey his money and his friends were not the man himself ...

[ryebread]

6 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I'm unsure in her talking heads,  she's gone so weird this season. I hope she was also tongue in cheek about her Hot Topic knock off. 

For me, Carole's been weird since her first season. So glad some y'all are starting to see it, too. ;-)

She's always hidden her idiocy behind the strong women who befriended her - Heather and Beth. Now she's the alpha in her relationship with Tinsley and she doesn't have the cool, dominant gal pal to hide behind. Her inner dum dum is now in clear view.

[Mindthinkr]

Sonja has watched the movie Sunset Blvd too much. She applied the red lipstick for her Norma Desmond closeup. 

[ghoulina]

I am generally loathe to defend Ramona, but I did not understand why Carole was complaining SO much about the party. Okay, I mean, it's totally within the realm of possibility that she wanted to have a dinner party out there partially so she could invite her restaurateur boy toy. And I even considered the possibility that she was partially doing it to assuage some guilt she may have had over not attending the race. "Yea, I wasn't at the finish line, but look - I threw you a party!" But, all that aside, Carole's biggest gripe seemed to be that it didn't seem like a race party. It wasn't THEMED enough. What, are we 8? What did she want, to make it seem more race-y? Water bottles instead of wine at their seats? Silverware wrapped in sweatbands? A countdown clock to see who could finish the potatoes first? Maybe they could all burst through a ribbon when exiting the home? It just seemed ridiculous. I feel like Carole just always has to have something to scoff about. 

I did get a kick out of Bethenny criticizing everyone's wardrobe that night - including herself! "We went through the midtown tunnel and all took acid." Apparently. And, Carole, NO ONE is jealous of that bodysuit. 

Aaaaand Sonja's drama continues. I really wish she'd lay off Tinsley. It makes her look like a giant hypocrite to call the girl out for living off of someone else. Weren't you just prattling on about the beautiful life YOU used to have? That certainly wasn't afforded to you because of your hostess salary. 

I kind of wished Dorinda had given us a bit more about the Rocco situation. How do you know they're not really dating? What's the story there? Spill the tea, girl! "Liar, Liar, Ho on fire!"  I can't help but love Dorinda. Every Housewives show needs a shit-stirrer. What I CAN'T tolerate is when these heifers pass it off as altruism or make some other lame excuse. Dorinda KNOWS she's stirring it up; she enjoys it. And she owns it. So that just makes it all the more fun for me. 

But how awkward was it to have Dennis at that dinner? You've got LuAnn trying to make small talk, completely forgetting (or not) the way she went after him and B at the reunion several years ago. Plus, Dorinda is fawning all over his bald head and reminiscing about her late husband. 

You know, I think John was really more of a rebound. I think he was there for her when Richard passed, and she sought comfort with him. It helped her forget. But now, all these years on, I think she's in a place where she just wants to be single. And do Dorinda. But she's kind of stuck, and she DOES care for the guy, so she doesn't know what to do. I definitely don't think she ever fully dealt with the loss of Richard. It would behoove her to get some solo time and therapy and figure things out. If it were anyone else, I might feel badly for the guy. But John is such a skeeve that I just don't care (Pulling at Carole's clothes!!!)

Another one I don't feel at all sorry for is Sonja. My fucks ran out with her a long time ago. So I just giggled when Ramona concocted that ridiculous excuse for moving to the other side of the table. Sonja NEEDS to sit at the corner alone for awhile. Think about what you've done, old lady!

[ryebread]

19 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Sonja seems truly mentally ill, and that’s where Bravo’s apparent policy of hiring those with personality disorders really is itself sick - where do you draw the line? At this point, having Sonja on the show is exploitative - she needs help over and above the salary. I wonder if her daughter and/or other relatives could step in.

I'm not sure, yet, if this is true or not. But all signs (the therapist, the antidepressants, the escaping to Costa Rica, the drastic change in diet and drink) are pointing to yes. Which is why Carole's, "She looks normal - on the outside" wasn't so funny to me. It reminded me of how Bethenny kept on Kelly even when she knew Kelly was having a break down of some sort. And Dorinda is just being heinous.

Yeah, some peole are azzholes and deserve a takedown. But once you discover they're on shaky mental or emotional ground, and you continue to pile on, well who's the azzhole then?

[Chit Chat]

5 minutes ago, ryebread said:

But once you discover they're on shaky mental or emotional ground, and you continue to pile on, well who's the azzhole then?

I think that LuAnn recognizes this in Sonja and that's why she kept hugging her and patting her on the back.  I don't think Sonja is completely innocent, especially after what she said about Tinsley, but there comes a point when the pile-on needs to stop, IMO.  Dorinda was way too harsh in her rant against Sonja.  

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But John is such a skeeve that I just don't care (Pulling at Carole's clothes!!!)

 That gave me the creeps.  I'm surprised Carole didn't punch him when he reached out and pulled at her top.  

[bosawks]

I've read end of year summary reports that were shorter than Sonja's text to Ramona.

[ghoulina]

7 hours ago, Kaia40 said:

like Bethenny but I disagreed with her in this situation! Yes, Sonja does only talk about the lifestyle, the townhouse, the parties while Dorinda only talks about Richard.  That’s because that’s ALL Sonja cared about, not her ex. Meanwhile Dorinda deeply cared for and loved Richard not his money!! 

Exactly. I normally agree with Bethenny, but she lost me on that one. It just made Sonja sound WORSE. 

 

6 hours ago, phoenix780 said:

Also, Ramona. When they panned I caught a glimpse of a TV mounted to a wall, cables everywhere, cable box on a table. That's not the opulence I expect from the show, and I'm highly disappointed. 

I noticed all those cables too!!! I guess she never got the artist to hide them like she asked last week. 

 

1 hour ago, Coffeewinewater said:

Can anyone help me out here? I definitely understand Sonja wanting Ramona to stick up for her. If she really knew the real story behind  Sonja's divorce. What I'm confused about is, I swear I remember in Sonja's first season,  she and Ramona said they were close in the past and partied it up together in their single days but hadn't really seen each other after Sonja married old man Morgan. Am I remembering this correctly?  I understand after the divorce, Sonja probably did tell Ramona her side, that doesn't mean Ramona was around to actually see what happened.  I'm just not sure what she really wants  (from Ramona )as far as defending her marriage.  

I think you are correct. I got the impression that when Sonja started on the show, the two hadn't really hung out in quite awhile. So yea, I don't think Ramona would have any first hand knowledge of how/why it ended. Dorinda is not the first one to put the story of Sonja cheating while he was sick out there. And I don't believe a thing that comes out of Sonja's mouth. Her entire existence is one, big facade. I think that's what certain people are getting sick of. 

[Keywestclubkid]

14 minutes ago, ryebread said:

I'm not sure, yet, if this is true or not. But all signs (the therapist, the antidepressants, the escaping to Costa Rica, the drastic change in diet and drink) are pointing to yes. Which is why Carole's, "She looks normal - on the outside" wasn't so funny to me. It reminded me of how Bethenny kept on Kelly even when she knew Kelly was having a break down of some sort. And Dorinda is just being heinous.

Yeah, some peole are azzholes and deserve a takedown. But once you discover they're on shaky mental or emotional ground, and you continue to pile on, well who's the azzhole then?

Thats the Problem tho Sonja has gotten away with it for so long... someone is always making an excuse for her there has to come a time I'm sorry when you have to say enough is enough stop coddling this person and allowing them to do this....you have to tell them this is not ok anymore .... but no one does that with sonja EVER they pat her on the head and tell her its ok and then she knows she can continue to act the same way with no repercussions

[ryebread]

15 minutes ago, ryebread said:

I'm not sure, yet, if this is true or not. But all signs (the therapist, the antidepressants, the escaping to Costa Rica, the drastic change in diet and drink) are pointing to yes.

I forgot to add, her makeup in that one talking head.

Sonja's make-up is usually right on the money. So allowing someone to do that to your face, or worse doing it yourself, is craziness.

[ghoulina]

11 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

That gave me the creeps.  I'm surprised Carole didn't punch him when he reached out and pulled at her top.  

I wish she would have. People just keep awkwardly laughing off John's horrible antics. When is someone going to finally put their foot down? 

 

7 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Thats the Problem tho Sonja has gotten away with it for so long... someone is always making an excuse for her there has to come a time I'm sorry when you have to say enough is enough stop coddling this person and allowing them to do this....you have to tell them this is not ok anymore .... but no one does that with sonja EVER they pat her on the head and tell her its ok and then she knows she can continue to act the same way with no repercussions

I agree with you. Mental illness can explain some things, but it's not necessarily an excuse. Also, one can have a mental illness and still be an asshole - completely independent of that illness. Also, as an adult, you have to take responsibility for your issues. Sonja WAS on anti-depressents. Why did she come off of them? It seemed, to me, like it was because she gained weight. If that's the case, how vain and irresponsible of her. 

I grew up with a bi-polar step-father. He hated taking his medication. He liked the manic highs. He went without his mood-stabilizers for so long that he had two psychotic breaks during my childhood. During the last one, he was hospitalized and my home was a terrifying place to be that afternoon. Cops were called. My mother was locked in her car. My sisters and I had to hide at the neighbors. He knew he was sick and he refused to handle it. He still doesn't take care of himself (which is why my mother has been divorced from him for 21 years). You can't just excuse your way through life. If you have diabetes, you take your medicine and watch your diet. If you have mental issues, you take your meds, see your therapist, etc. 

Sonja just wants to live in a land of delusion. She lies constantly. She won't ever own anything. I think she'd be insufferable even without mental health issues. But if she's going to refuse to take care of herself and make the situation worse, I can't really muster up much empathy for her. 

Edited April 26, 2018 by ghoulina

[mwell345]

12 minutes ago, ryebread said:

I'm not sure, yet, if this is true or not. But all signs (the therapist, the antidepressants, the escaping to Costa Rica, the drastic change in diet and drink) are pointing to yes. Which is why Carole's, "She looks normal - on the outside" wasn't so funny to me. It reminded me of how Bethenny kept on Kelly even when she knew Kelly was having a break down of some sort. And Dorinda is just being heinous.

Yeah, some peole are azzholes and deserve a takedown. But once you discover they're on shaky mental or emotional ground, and you continue to pile on, well who's the azzhole then?

LuAnn seems to be the only one that gets this - or at least seems  to have some sense that things are not right with Sonja.  (Maybe Bethenny does -IDK, she really hasn't gotten too involved in it).  I've thought for some time that Sonja has issues, but it seems more pronounced this season, for all of the things you pointed out, and that she just seems "off" to me.  When she was walking with Dorinda a couple of episodes ago, she was talking a mile a minute - on and on and she did that at the brunch too.  Just little things I've noticed this season that seem different from past seasons. She almost seems unsteady to me in some scenes (not in a "drunken" way, but in a tentative, unsure way).   And that text to Ramona was way,  way, over the top.  Ramona didn't deserve that, and it seems uncharacteristic for Sonja to go that far with it.  

(It just occurred to me that LuAnn  may actually know more about whatever is going on with Sonja and that her comment "You've been through alot" which brought on Dorinda's rage, may not have referred to Sonja's marriage at all).

I guess in past seasons, Sonja was always a good natured joke - she laughed at herself and we laughed with her.  Now she just seems confused and sad to me.

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, mwell345 said:

LuAnn seems to be the only one that gets this - or at least seems  to have some sense that things are not right with Sonja.  (Maybe Bethenny does -IDK, she really hasn't gotten too involved in it).

But its not their job to make her take medication thats the problem ....she has always made these snide lil comments even in past episodes and have gotten away with it by everyone saying oh thats just Sonja no no more now it will become oh i have a mental illness has her crutch thats why i make these little digs its not me its the illness SHE is responsible for herself and what comes out of her mouth NO ONE ELSE. IF she knows she should be on meds its her job to be on those

Edited April 26, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[ryebread]

4 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Thats the Problem tho Sonja has gotten away with it for so long... someone is always making an excuse for her there has to come a time I'm sorry when you have to say enough is enough stop coddling this person and allowing them to do this....

I don't disagree. But the reason I think some of them have cut her slack and will now defend her to some extent - Luann, Bethenny, Ramona - is because they know she is generally harmless, generous and sweet which they've said. Even Kelly would probably come to Sonja's  defense in light of how compassionate Sonja was as she tried to stop the pile on of Kelly on Scary Island.

Sure it's okay to tell someone they need to stop being delusional and or hurtful to other people's feelings. But when you're stabbing your finger in their face, and screaming that they're a whore at a dinner party? Not the way I roll.

[BusyOctober]

Still Team Dorinda!  Sonja doesn't listen to calm reasonable voices and she doesn't listen to Dorinda, Tinsley, Romona or Bethenny's loud rants, so why not let the fur fly and yell at the top of their lungs all the reasons Sonja is wrong/delusional.

I had to roll my eyes a bit at Bethenney's statement that the group "let's Dorinda getaway with" talking about Richard and how often she brings him up.  Um, excuse me?  Did we all not have to hear ad nauseum about the pain, torture, woes, financial burden, homelessness, imprisonment Jason & her never-ending divorce caused her? Every scene w/ B over the past few seasons were B-centric with Jason/his stalking/his ruining her life as the main plot point.  The tears she shed over how he "tortured" her could fill the pool in her new Hamptons property.  Yes, divorce is horrible and can really take emotional and physical (and definitely financial) tolls on those involved.  I don't think for a minute any of the divorces in the world didn't hurt the couple in some way.  But a death of a spouse has a level of unfinished business that a divorce doesn't.

I don't think Dorinda obsessively talks about Richard.  When she mentions him, it is in context of the conversation. Unlike Sonja, Dorinda is lamenting or reminiscing about the MAN and his qualities that made her love & marriage so cherished.  Sonja is forever bemoaning the STUFF she lost in her divorce.  Whether she cheated or not, something caused the Morgan's marriage to come apart.  Dorinda's marriage didn't end on those kinds of terms.

Edited April 26, 2018 by BusyOctober

[Keywestclubkid]

15 minutes ago, ryebread said:

 

Sure it's okay to tell someone they need to stop being delusional and or hurtful to other people's feelings. But when you're stabbing your finger in their face, and screaming that they're a whore at a dinner party? Not the way I roll.

She was calling Tins a whore the whole time and then saying well if it wasnt a man keeping her it was her mother..... was she just supposed to sit there and say nothing? thats not how that works esp since Sonja herself only has money because of her EX and is the definition of a kept woman (using her child to continue to get money from her ex) I'm sorry Im not buying a we need to coddle Sonja excuse shes a big girl she knows whats shes doing...  keep her mouth shut and no one will come back with digs of their own

Edited April 26, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[noveltylibrary]

8 hours ago, Reality police said:

Shouldn't disrespect drag queens like that. 

I love drag queens!  Sorry it came across that way:(

I was making fun of her 'I'm so cool gays love me' party. And a little jealous of her having them.

Edited April 26, 2018 by noveltylibrary

[archer1267]

48 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Yeah, some peole are azzholes and deserve a takedown. But once you discover they're on shaky mental or emotional ground, and you continue to pile on, well who's the azzhole then?

I remember Dorinda specifically telling Sonja that she wouldn't do well with the group in the Berkshires, that she wasn't a fighter, that she would get trampled on - as justification for not inviting her. I know Dorinda may have said that because it was easier than saying "you pissed Bethenny off, and we all live to serve her." But it was ironic that Dorinda sought to protect Sonja's fragility from the group two seasons ago, and since then, she's gone off on Sonja repeatedly in group situations. And in a very personal way, like referencing Grey Gardens, the state of her finances, the state of her townhouse, and her sex life. I love Dorinda but she is unnecessarily mean a good chunk of the time. And it's often in group settings, when it's not a fair fight.

[RHJunkie]

Did I miss the part where Ramona told Carole that she was hosting a marathon themed party in her honour? Before the dinner even happened, Carole joked that she's pretty sure that Ramona was having a dinner anyway and just decided to say that it was for Carole (and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened, lol) but a dinner is not a party where the guest list is designed are the guest of honour. She acknowledged Carole and went out of her way to show that she was someone special at the table and I think that's fair enough when you say you're going to have a dinner in someone's honour.

I loved Bethenny's commentary on their outfits...all of the outfits were in fact bad, haha. I quite liked Dennis. Maybe it's because he's in front of cameras but he seemed kind of quirky and I thought it was hilarious that Dorinda was kind of flirting with him in front of him John but John took it in stride.

I thought it was interesting that when Luann and Dorinda went aside while Dorinda was ranting about Sonja cheating on her beloved husband, Luann's response was 'I know but...' as she tried to calm Dorinda down. I don't disagree with Sonja that a divorce can be extremely difficult on someone, especially if there are children involved. However, there are many differences between her and Dorinda's approach to talking about their significant others. Sonja talks about the life she had with her ex, and not specific to the love or bond they had, but by the material things that she enjoyed when she was with him and what she lost because of the divorce. Her home, the parties, the vacations, mingling with the rich and hanging out on yachts. Dorinda speaks about Richard in a way where she is sharing memories of him with the women and she doesn't do it randomly but does it as something reminds her of him. I do think that Dorinda's love for Richard is preventing her from fully moving on in her romantic relationships but Dorinda doesn't use Richard's death as a crutch to explain her bad behaviour. Sonja makes bad decisions, says whatever she wants and then apologizes because in six degrees of separation, it all goes back to her divorce. And I think that is what the spirit of Dorinda's tirade was about. It wasn't to simply say stop talking about your ex, it was to say that she uses her ex as a crutch for her delusions and everyone gives her a pass for it. That doesn't mean that Dorinda handled it well but Sonja sat at the dinner table and insinuated that Tinsley was basically some high end escort for her BF and then complained that she lives off her parents. Sonja made herself fair game for Tinsley to in turn suggest she was also a whore. Tit for tat. But overall, they were all horrible dinner guests, lol. 

While I agree that Ramona could have stepped in to defuse the situation and help Sonja out, it's pretty audacious of Sonja to get that upset about it when the whole argument started because Sonja made an unprovoked comment about Ramona loving hard and leaving men fast. It implies something about Ramona and when Ramona denied it and all the women said 'no, no, see this is why you get yourself in trouble, you have big a mouth', what was Sonja's response? She said 'I can back it up' with a smirk on her face. Even if she knew, it was obvious that Ramona was not comfortable with allowing Sonja's comments to continue but she persisted anyway. How is that a good friend. And then she makes a big deal about the women spreading gossip and that none of the women stepped in to say that it's not true...hasn't she been going around spreading gossip about Tinsley's on and off again boyfriend paying for her gift and basically paying Tinsley's way through life? Where are her receipts for that? Sonja isn't repeating gossip...she's the one creating the gossip but has the audacity to get upset when others gossip about her. And this goes back to Dorinda's point, Sonja can behave however she wants and she has a million excuses for why (divorce, house, money, business, meds, juicing, weight) but when others treat her like she treats them, she gets upset because they're disregarding what she's going through.

[noveltylibrary]

10 hours ago, ichbin said:

Carole would say you are jealous. Guess I must be jealous too.  She was insufferable this episode.   The comments about no memorabilia at the party and lack of theme.  Shut up, Carole!

I've actually never liked Carole. So I'm kind of glad she's not exactly loved this season.

[Keywestclubkid]

9 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

I remember Dorinda specifically telling Sonja that she wouldn't do well with the group in the Berkshires, that she wasn't a fighter, that she would get trampled on - as justification for not inviting her. I know Dorinda may have said that because it was easier than saying "you pissed Bethenny off, and we all live to serve her." But it was ironic that Dorinda sought to protect Sonja's fragility from the group two seasons ago, and since then, she's gone off on Sonja repeatedly in group situations. And in a very personal way, like referencing Grey Gardens, the state of her finances, the state of her townhouse, and her sex life. I love Dorinda but she is unnecessarily mean a good chunk of the time. And it's often in group settings, when it's not a fair fight.

Because Sonja herself goes after people hard referencing their finances, where their living, their sex lives, and their bodies (she got fat) she cant keep diggin and not expect people to clap back I applaud Dorinda for keeping her cool this long but everyone has their snapping point

Edited April 26, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[pasdetrois]

I don't watch this series enough to know - is Sonja still living in her NYC home? She made a comment about "I'm keeping the townhouse because it's a better investment than selling it and I can use it to make money." Is she renting it out? Is she sleeping on people's couches?

I wonder if part of her stress is true worry about money. In terms of how her crowd views women, she's aging, divorced, menopausal (menopause causes depression and anxiety in many women and she said she went off hormones), no partner, no child support...no apparent financial prospects other than this show, the men she can mooch off of and whatever income she receives from the divorce (if any at this point).

This is what happens when you live off of rich men. It's a cautionary tale.

ETA: as Ghoulina sagely observed, assholes can become mentally ill.

And, all this money and these women don't recognize beautiful age-appropriate fashion.

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I've actually never liked Carole. So I'm kind of glad she's not exactly loved this season.

One reason I stopped watching a couple seasons back was the Carole-and-Bethanny-stalk-Jules thing. There was a dinner party or something where they relentlessly poked her, taking turns, about her eating habits and other things. It was very vicious. They sat watching her, like animals watching prey, waiting to see what she said and did so they could pounce. And Carole is a bully who hides behind other, stronger, smarter women. ryebread called it.

Go watch her most recent appearance on WWHL.

Edited April 26, 2018 by pasdetrois

[Gem 10]

1 hour ago, OFDgal said:

I think it's creepy of Sonja to be going through people's closets and then wearing their clothes/slippers.  I would be pissed if my houseguest came down wearing anything of mine.  Talk about no boundaries.

Who would wear someone else's slippers?  Sonja doesn't have a pair of ballet slippers that weigh about a quarter of an ounce to throw in her overnight bag?  Sonja makes herself too comfortable when in someone's house.

[backhometome]

Ew Ramona talking with her mouth full was gross.

 

Dorinda saying she didnt mean for Tinsley to loose it was ironic coming from her.  

 

Carole we get it you ran a marathon. Not ended world peace. That body suit was hideous. 

 

I did laugh at her saying Ramona only threw the party to flirt with Kirk.

 

I believe every word out of Sonjas mouth about her happy marriage. For sure. Hmmm.

 

I dont think death/divorce is that comparable. At least the other person is still alive. 

 

Luann always making excuses for Sonja is getting old.

[noveltylibrary]

I had to admit they looked cool here

[Pondlass1]

Gosh - I'd be terrified to be invited to a dinner party with this lot.  Or even to be seated in a restaurant where they are being filmed.  But at least I have some idea what's got  each of them all into their own wild and crazy rage.   (I still don't know what Kyle's issue is  even after watching a whole season.)

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

11 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Sonja is always bitching about her loss, due to divorce, of Mr Morgan. Dorinda is still (and always will be) in love with Richard. They go at it as to which loss is greater. Carole is also a widow but never said a word about her dearly departed. Either she’s over it or was scared to jump into the fray. 

Pausing in my detached enjoyment of all your comments say that wrt the late Mr. Radziwill, I hope - I TRULY HOPE! - that Carole hasn’t jumped into the “widowhood v. divorcement”  fray because (a) she has more respect for him and his memory, and of their time together; and (b) she’s aware that her mother-in-law, sister-in-law and others who loved class-act Anthony would be horrified and disgusted at the mention of his name and memory -—

on a gross show —

amongst gross characters —

by an increasingly gross woman who’s his  widow —

and would criticize her harshly if not outright condemn her.

i HOPE that is the case, especially the first part. I began watching NY because AR’s widow was on it.  Initially I enjoyed her wisecracks and comments but she’s as impossible for me to watch now as is Ramona, whose callousness towards others I’ve never gotten past.

Again, thanks for the popcorn-worthy discussion! Back to page 2!!!

[esco1822]

15 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Did I miss the part where Ramona told Carole that she was hosting a marathon themed party in her honour? Before the dinner even happened, Carole joked that she's pretty sure that Ramona was having a dinner anyway and just decided to say that it was for Carole (and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened, lol) but a dinner is not a party where the guest list is designed are the guest of honour. She acknowledged Carole and went out of her way to show that she was someone special at the table and I think that's fair enough when you say you're going to have a dinner in someone's honour.

Ramona did actually tell Carole she was hosting a party in her honor specifically for her finishing the marathon. The words "marathon themed" were not uttered but that's just semantics. She also called it a "sit-down" dinner multiple times which generally doesn't imply a buffet. I know there are a lot of Carole haters on this board but seriously, if your friend told you she was throwing a party in your honor, would you be totally cool with that friend inviting HER friends, not yours and having no visible recognition of the entire reason she was throwing the party? It would be one thing if it was just the girls out to dinner and Carole was toasted and given a cake. If she complained about that, yeah, I'd be on board with calling her ungrateful. That's not what happened though and Carole was entirely right that Ramona was having a dinner and used Carole as an excuse to have it. Carole didn't ask for a party to celebrate her accomplishment, it was offered to her. Don't tell me these women don't know how to throw a theme party, they do it all the time.  If it's a party, make it look like a party. If it's just a dinner, call it a dinner. If it's honoring someone in particular, invite THEIR friends, not yours. It's not that hard. 

[mwell345]

19 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

Who would wear someone else's slippers?  Sonja doesn't have a pair of ballet slippers that weigh about a quarter of an ounce to throw in her overnight bag?  Sonja makes herself too comfortable when in someone's house.

I think she (Sonja) thinks its a charming eccentricity.   It's not. 

[retiredviewer]

12 hours ago, LilaFowler said:

Carole is such an ungrateful, joyless shrew. Each week she becomes more unlikable.

These women fight and snap at each other too much. It's weeks like this that I wonder why I watch.

OMG It's weeks like this that I know why I watch. This was RH gold.

[noveltylibrary]

12 hours ago, Midnight Cheese said:

What da fuq is Ramona wearing?

Monty Python's Hell's Grannies came to my mind ?

[Coffeewinewater]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

For me, Carole's been weird since her first season. So glad some y'all are starting to see it, too. ;-)

She's always hidden her idiocy behind the strong women who befriended her - Heather and Beth. Now she's the alpha in her relationship with Tinsley and she doesn't have the cool, dominant gal pal to hide behind. Her inner dum dum is now in clear view.

According to Carole, she and Tinsley aren't that close she said even during filming they weren't that close.  Strange they seem pretty friendly.  I Thought it was  odd she made that point. She also said she didn't realize there was an issue with Bethany till she was watching the show.  Idk,  seemed pretty clear there was something going on between Bethanyand Carole from the first episode. ((Shrugs)).

[ghoulina]

42 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

I don't disagree with Sonja that a divorce can be extremely difficult on someone, especially if there are children involved. However, there are many differences between her and Dorinda's approach to talking about their significant others. Sonja talks about the life she had with her ex, and not specific to the love or bond they had, but by the material things that she enjoyed when she was with him and what she lost because of the divorce. Her home, the parties, the vacations, mingling with the rich and hanging out on yachts. Dorinda speaks about Richard in a way where she is sharing memories of him with the women and she doesn't do it randomly but does it as something reminds her of him. I do think that Dorinda's love for Richard is preventing her from fully moving on in her romantic relationships but Dorinda doesn't use Richard's death as a crutch to explain her bad behaviour. Sonja makes bad decisions, says whatever she wants and then apologizes because in six degrees of separation, it all goes back to her divorce. And I think that is what the spirit of Dorinda's tirade was about.

I agree 100%. I also want to point out that I've never heard Sonja say one specific thing about her ex-husband. She keeps saying they had "a beautiful marriage". But she doesn't say why. She doesn't ever talk about who he is/was as a person. I know his name, and nothing more. From the tidbits we've gotten about Richard from Dorinda, I'd definitely say I know something about him. 

[Ki-in]

30 minutes ago, esco1822 said:

 Carole didn't ask for a party to celebrate her accomplishment

She was hinting and implying strongly that she wanted one when talking to Ramona ("I wonder if anyone is going to throw me party?" or something to that effect). Carole is an ungrateful bitch and the polite thing to do whether or not you like the party that was thrown is to say thank you and be happy that you were even a blip on their radar. That is what a gracious person with manners would do. Not complain there wasn't a theme and rate the party an F.

Edited April 26, 2018 by Ki-in

[noveltylibrary]

13 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Ramona isn’t one to tap her own horn.  She’s so fun.

I'm addicted to CC and it said tout her own horn, equally stupid.

[Reality police]

1 hour ago, noveltylibrary said:

I love drag queens!  Sorry it came across that way:(

I was making fun of her 'I'm so cool gays love me' party. And a little jealous of her having them.

I was being sarcastic. You were fine. 

[poeticlicensed]

Lu Ann's outfit at dinner reminded me of the Madame puppet from the 60s and 70s:

 

[Baltimore Betty]

3 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Lu Ann's outfit at dinner reminded me of the Madame puppet from the 60s and 70s:

 

OMG, you nailed it!

[Juniebaby]

So Ramona is worried Beth might chip a glass or ruin a plate, but it’s ok to rip out a light fixture from a wall at Dorinda’s home.  Montauk Hwy. isn’t really a highway but it is a main thoroughfare in the Hamptons therefore it’s very busy day and night and has constant traffic in the summer so that’s why it was a reasonably priced house for the area.  Ramona was right, but she’s such a snob the truth got lost in her obnoxiousness.  I’m very disappointed in Dorinda.  She’s become friendly with Tinsley yet for her own pleasure she deliberately says things and tries to get Tinsley to fight with Sonja.  That’s not a friend at all and it’s very childish, not something I expect from a woman in her 50’s.  She’s become quite vile.

[ButterQueen]

10 hours ago, lcarolynl said:

That's what therapists are for.

......and friends and family.

[Linderville]

I'm not sure how to attach quotes yet, but thank you so much for your supportive posts. I am so touched. When Dorinda said divorce is a "choice" I just had to speak up. I hope I didn't minimize the understandable grief one would experience with the death of a spouse. Throughout my marriage, I always thought that would be the absolute worst thing that could happen. I feel like I know you all because I've been reading these forums for years! Thank you again.

[RHJunkie]

9 hours ago, Linderville said:

I'm sorry if I'm not posting this correctly. I'm kind of new at posting.

I'm so sorry that you have had to deal with that. And thank you for having the courage to share such a personal experience with the rest of us. Wishing you nothing but happiness!

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

1 hour ago, pasdetrois said:

And, all this money and these women don't recognize beautiful age-appropriate fashion.

Right?! When you want to enjoy some classy duds on ladies past 30, check out the “Royals” section of the blog GoFugYourself.  SUCH a respite from the messes we see on entertainment “royalty.”

[ghoulina]

5 minutes ago, Linderville said:

I'm not sure how to attach quotes yet, but thank you so much for your supportive posts. I am so touched. When Dorinda said divorce is a "choice" I just had to speak up. I hope I didn't minimize the understandable grief one would experience with the death of a spouse. Throughout my marriage, I always thought that would be the absolute worst thing that could happen. I feel like I know you all because I've been reading these forums for years! Thank you again.

I don't think you minimized it at all. I think you wrote very honestly and eloquently about what you'd been through, and I commend you for sharing. I think both death and divorce are such broad terms that we could never put either experience into just one box. I am so sorry for what you went through, and I hope this year is much better for you! 

[hottesthw]

12 hours ago, Neurochick said:

That is true, but Bethenny was also right.  An ugly divorce is bad because although the person is still alive, you have no relationship with them.

And if Carole wants a marathon party then she should throw herself one.

Not really in response to this quote but it jogged my memory....They are both shitty situations but I found Bethenny quite insensitive stating well at least that person isn't walking around because it's torture . People can get divorced and move away from each other, people can set up arrangements to share kids without ever seeing each other. Poor people do it all the time, so I'm sure someone with the means of B could put an end to the "torture" quite easily if they wanted to. A divorce is a choice 2 people make. Your husband dying and leaving you is not a choice so it's not the same at all IMO. And if both Bethenny and Sonja want us to believe they played no part in the demise of their marriage they've got another thing coming (especially the one who showed her horrid behavior on national tv for all the world to see so she could make a few bucks).

As much as I despise Carole she was right on WWHL, people speak of the dead not to act as if they'e still around, it's a way to honor their memory. Not even close to continually discuss your divorce of 12 years. 

Dorinda hit it too, they discuss JPM as if he just had tea with them. 

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

1 hour ago, pasdetrois said:

One reason I stopped watching a couple seasons back was the Carole-and-Bethanny-stalk-Jules thing. There was a dinner party or something where they relentlessly poked her, taking turns, about her eating habits and other things. It was very vicious. They sat watching her, like animals watching prey, waiting to see what she said and did so they could pounce. And Carole is a bully who hides behind other, stronger, smarter women. ryebread called it

QFT.  I just realized that much of the time I watched this show, I had flashbacks to my first year in high school, where I was a freshman without a clique and missed being bullied by some Divine intervention for which I’ve never properly given thanks. I hope Jules is thriving.

[Wicked]

When Dorinda talks about Richard, she's talking about Richard.  When Sonja talks about her ex, she's talking about herself.  Total narcissism.

[Dirtybubble]

A lot of thoughts about this episode and so much has already been said so I'll just do some quick bullet points:

First off STFU Carole about the marathon party!  Gah she was becoming a pill complaining about how Ramona didn't really intend to throw her this party.  Girl you got a cake, enuff already!

It's none of Sonja's business how Tinsley get money or maintains her lifestyle.  She isn't her account nor her mother.  And how tacky to keep bring up the idea that Tinsley's bf paid for her gift card.  That was a GIFT Sonja, just accept it and move it on--how rude/tacky to keep questioning how it was paid for!