S07.E13: I'm Beautiful, I'm Smart, I'm Strong

[Chloecat]

I know there is something wrong with me and I may not be remotely empathetic  but when Cate was going on I am beautiful, smart and strong my only thought was no, no you aren't any of those things. I mean really meaningless affirmation, really says nothing authentic. I look at how she lacks as a parent and how non supportive she is to anyone else and I really don't feel bad.

[FairyDusted]

In slightly her defense she hasn't had many long term role models. She has the deck stacked against her so it's going to be her choice to put out the real work.

[eskimo]

We are not supposed to discuss previews here, correct?  Is there a place we can do that?

[FairyDusted]

Yeah, no After Show either though I think those can go in the thread. 

[eskimo]

13 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

Yeah, no After Show either though I think those can go in the thread. 

In which thread?

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, Chloecat said:

I know there is something wrong with me and I may not be remotely empathetic  but when Cate was going on I am beautiful, smart and strong my only thought was no, no you aren't any of those things. I mean really meaningless affirmation, really says nothing authentic. I look at how she lacks as a parent and how non supportive she is to anyone else and I really don't feel bad.

Those kinds of affirmations have never done a thing in the world for me. To me, they're just words. Cliched words at that-the kind you'd find written on those posters that you used to be able to buy at Hallmark. I guess it may work for some...

[FairyDusted]

Previews for the next show usually go in the show thread. Specific to a Gal like Maci goes to Maci. Sorry I wasn't clear.

[mamadrama]

8 hours ago, CofCinci said:

One, I would never have a client create an affirmation with the term “beautiful”.  We’d narrow it down to a specific health and wellness goal.  Strong, would be questionable for me as well.  Catelynn would benefit by repeating something like “Today, I worked towards my health goal of completing the 5K in April by walking 30 minutes on the treadmill at the gym. I’m committed to expanding my knowledge on the subject of horses by reading 3 articles this week. I already met my goal and I plan to read another interesting article I found later tonight. I am resilient because I am using my coping skills.”

Honestly, I don't like the idea of striving to be "strong." I feel like we live in a culture in which we praise people who are "strong" but what that really means is that they keep their feelings and emotions to themselves. I see it with people who are going through cancer treatments and stuff and they never complain or cry in public. The folks around them are like, "Oh you're so strong!" But really, at home, they're probably freaking out and crying. They're human. We celebrate those who who keep their emotions hidden and apply "strong" as a moniker for those who don't make us uncomfortable with their very human reactions and feelings. "You have to be strong now" "She's so strong, you never hear her complain", etc. etc. Instead of me telling myself that I am "strong", I prefer to tell myself that I am human and that I am allowed to feel angry, hurt, scared, etc. Especially in grief, I feel that it's important to recognize those feelings and deal with them, rather to ignore them and push them aside. (Although I still believe in being kind, polite, and taking personal responsibility for things I may say or do in those situations.)

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble. I just remember that in the worst of my grief I hated hearing that word. What it meant to my friends was that they didn't want to hear about how I was feeling or what I was going through. "Strong" from them was like a medal and I didn't want to have it revoked by letting them see me upset. I finally made a friend who was like, "Honey, I don't care what you do. You don't have to be 'strong.' You can scream and cry and do whatever you want around me." God, it was such a relief. 

[FairyDusted]

Amen. I'm a very emotional water sign. I just am.

[mamadrama]

3 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

Amen. I'm a very emotional water sign. I just am.

You and me both, girlfriend. I'm a Pisces and also wishy washy to boot. 

[FairyDusted]

Scorpion. NON wishy washy BUT Rage crier lol

[Bridget]

3 hours ago, Poohbear617 said:

For the life of me I cant figure out what makes Farrah thinks she is entitled to talk to people the way she does. I mean Wtf was wrong with Producer Kristen asking Sophia if she had a nice flight? Or telling the other producer he is white trash while standing in front of a porta-john in her front yard with her fake hooker tits and bitch face on.

The wonderfully sweet ,talented and most of all classy Dolly Parton often jokes about her own appearance saying 'it costs a lot of money to look this cheap". Well Farrah proves that point well, while also proving money and fame does not buy you grace, smarts or kindness.

Dolly is one of my all time favorites, and last night for some reason I just thought Farrah would have probably thought that the extreme poverty, depression Era mountain upbringing of Dolly and her family would have made them "white trash" in her opinion. How deluded.

Besides letting off steam about FA, I wanted to share something funny I read. I'mean sorry I can't remember the title but Sunday night I saw a YouTube clip of one of Farrahs rampages about her treatment and lawsuit. In it she once again drones on about how BADLY SHE IS TREATED  (excuse me bitch!), but she says how she is glad Sophia is away from people who mistreat you and how she is raising her daughter to  AND I QUOTE "speak to everyone with kindness!!!" I nearly had a stroke!. 

If u need a laugh look at some of the videos on FA's channel. There are a couple from the last week from TMZ and others where she is hanging out with some of her 'friends'. Now I don't know the women in the videos with her, but when Farrah spouts off about her and Mowgli getting away from Viacom/mtv Artifical fake world, all I can see is that two of her 'real' friends have such huge fake boobs I'm sure they have to wear little anchors down their backs to keep from keeling over.

Man I can't wait till she is gone, then I can stop getting tucked off and going off on a rant. I'm so glad you all are here.

One of my favorite Dolly quotes! 

I was chatting with a flight attendant a few years ago and somehow, the topic of "nicest celebrities you've ever met" came up. Both she and my best friend (who works in entertainment in NYC and hates country music) said the same thing: Dolly is the nicest person on the planet, hands down. During both conversations I had with those two people, several years apart, they both couldn't say enough about how wonderful, gracious and kind Dolly was to meet/work with. They have met loads of famous people, and were totally starstruck (sorry to be THAT person, but when my friend worked with Chris Pine, she said he is "so pretty it should be illegal" - and she typically dates guys with long dark hair who are the total opposite of PreppyPrettyPine), but Dolly was/is #1 with regard to blowing people away with her kindness and appreciation, even when it comes to the handsome Chris Pine!

Staying on topic, I have never wished more in my life that I worked as an on set teacher (instead of regular classroom) than when I watched this episode, only to hope that Farrah would try and talk to me like she does to other adults on that show! I'd also show her what a real redhead looks like while asking her about her thoughts on being fined for breaking Calif state EdCode Law by having Mowgli technically "truant" by insisting a teacher isn't needed.

Edited February 28, 2018 by Bridget

[FairyDusted]

@Bridget We used to drive thru Severville TN to get to my Dads. Everyone is related to her in town. The funny thing was I knew one of her brothers here in Ohio for years before I knew WHO he was. Very nice family. 

[methadonna]

4 hours ago, FairyDusted said:

And back to Starburst……I wonder if Farrah will fly in her horse ala Lisa V? 

I know what you actually mean here (and there’s nothing incorrect in your wording, so please know this is not even the most passive-aggressive dig!), 

but

for some reason I got the most fantastic mental image of Farrah, flying in (like, inside of) her horse. 

Isn’t its name SparkleandShineBoogerButt or Glitter Backdoor or ... something ridiculous and glitter-magic-y? (And, iirc, hasn’t she also either dyed its hair or given it extensions or something so it can look as fake as she does? And are these part of the horrors of a ridiculous imagination (see below), or did she bedazzle and glitter and manicure it and do all she could to make it a likeness of her own being besides swapping out its horse mouth for a platypus’s? Maybe for one of Sophia’s typically understated and age-appropriated birthday parties for all of her apparently no* friends?)

*If this is as it appears on TV (and not because she actually has scores of friends who all have reasonable and responsible parents who won’t allow them to be exploited by shown on MTV. And simultaneously allow them to be friends with Farrah’s child. Which is a total paradox. So I’ll go Occam’s Razor and not editing on this), it’s because of the bizarre world Farrah has created around Sophia and, even if this continues to be true as her peers gain greater autonomy and likely do reject her themselves unless there’s radical change, how that world has created Sophia; it’s the way that Farrah (who, I believe, has made very active choices she truly believes align with doing what’s best for her child but she is so devastatingly wrong, as opposed to many of these moms, whose passivity, inactivity, and disengagement are what lead to their parenting fails (ahem, Amber)) has shaped Sophia—and the current (and, likely, lasting, without significant intervention) effects on Sophia’s ability to interact with her peers (and people, and probably all living things); it’s not about my trying to mock a little kid for [presumably] having no friends or being ... different and challenging. Ya know ?

Eh nee waaaay

So, here we have this woman who has already had herself surgically altered into a 3-D cartoon character (who, by day, uses her powers to don her alter-ego as the only Teen Mom with the ambition and drive to be a contributing member of society, and, by night and other day, reverts back to to her [semi]natural form, a hybrid of truly cruel villainy and word-salad-spitting speaker of such nonsensical babble as to belie disincomprehensibilityishnessal (may or may not be a direct quote ... yet. But, if not, I look forward to hearing her use it, in a far less contextually logical way, when she does learn about the point of set teachers—both from a legal standpoint and from a You-don’t-have-the-intellectual-capacity-to-even-make-the-active-decision-to-unschool-Sophia one—and Sophia gets a list of suffixes for Farrah to wantonly add to words to make her sound more smarterest). And her cartoonish pet horse.

 

And so, from your one little innocuous statement, all I can picture is this would-be-a-cartoon-but-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction humanoid, flying around in her Trojan-horse-meets-My-Little-Pony-pegasus-esque pet/accessory (same, unilaterally, on this show). 

 

Maybe, with TM’s little notebook-drawing outros, Farrah’s last scene of gracing us with her presence on this show can be completed by an animation of her hopping in[to] her flying, rainbowyishnesslike (again, notadirectquote. probably) pegasus horse (which, like its My Little Pony predecessors, will have a specific icon stamped all over its butt in glitter. Presumably, an anatomically precise stamp, a still life in heat-transferable sparkle paint, if you will, of Farrah’s vulva), and taking flight.

With the movement of its wings to allow Farrah to, um, mount and enter, BedazzledBoogerButt first knocks down   Kerthy.

With its first leap forward in its steps toward becoming airborne, it knocks down [Heather? what’s-her-name-fired/previous-producer] who should either be granted immediate sainthood or an inpatient facility life-sentence for being able to navigate the sea of Farrah so successfully she got dragged under, the pegasus-horse’s giant foot crushing, if not her body, certainly  her soul.

And, with its grandiose if not graceful sweep of its wings in the last part of its maneuver to lift Farrah to ascension, in turn, each member of her family, who are all lined up behind the immediate producers (hands and  Botoxed faces reaching out, whether toward her in support or for support will continue to remain both the question of and answer to each of their motivations in remaining so dangerously close to her simultaneous orbit and gravitational pull that, regardless, seems to be leading to everyone’s spinning out of control) are knocked down, 

In turn, an assembly line’s worth of rectangles, simply-labeled MTV’s Teen Mom Staff, topple like a carefully constructed but easily knocked down dominoes.

Farrah, joyful at seemingly having destroyed any and everyone below her ascends upward, but her father had managed to stand up yet again like the giant Weeble punching bag he is, and he begins to call out, “No, Farrah, don’t gooooo.....”

Thinking he is begging for her return, rather than giving her an unfinished/unheard/disregarded warning, Farrah is simultaneously angered and satisfied; she knows more than all of those lowly peons (or, as she is sure it is, pee- ones) and would have simultaneously denied hearing it and made up a contradictaory statement as to why she knew that the rest of his sentence, which she never heard nor realized existed, anyway, is wrong, and so, like Icarus (Ick-R-Us, she corrects; that’s where the white trash EPs—my bosses whom I fired and now am suing for my firing them—buy their trashy outfits that fully cover their trashy proportionate and/or natural body parts) and the higher she goes. 

Finally, with a few more flaps, she is so close to the sun that an optical illusion suggests that it is not revolving around her. Luckily, she knows this, too, like everything and everyone who isn’t her, is wrong. Ironically, it is the bedazzled vajazzle identity-prescribing markings on My-Little-Pegasus-style BackdoorBoogieBling that begin to melt off first, sprinkling toward all those she has stepped on or knocked down in her attempt to prove how much more greater than ;-) above them she is. 

But she is right about one thing: there IS good reason to immortalize one’s genitalia in silicone and glitter: as if her plastic pussy power has shifted its magic to the freed glitter itself, and, as she promises she can in many a totally self-made, self-love video, it cums down in almost surreal amounts, leading all of those knocked down to ... get up, just in time to see the wings melt next and Farrah—making the sun that revolves around her—move in its orbit, almost as if it is she who is falling and not, of course, the other way around, as she’d have told you had occurred, had all of the hotness that anything near her feels and must act on, not led to her ... exploding in the heat of the moment. Whether the remaining silicone from her pegasus and her sundry implants all melted into one celestial body, separated into a giant heap of space trash, or became just a literal black hole to supplant the previous figurative one she was in mortal form, we may never know. But, her Dad-duh-less only wonders what he can still do to try to help her hear the rest of his cry, “Don’t go ... any higher or lower,” even though he can’t see that, even if she did, she’d instead manage to do both.

 Debz OG, otoh? Already has Sophia dressed up in a new gown for her wedding, and she’s busy making room on the guest list for this fancy affair—already quite filled with several dozen of Jenelle’s ex-boyfriends, ex-fiancés, ex-husbands, ex-sperm-donors, and their exes, which, alone, has resulted in her commissioning a seating chart from the CDC, given its obvious similarity to their disease-outbreak maps; various other Teen Mom 26 - adjacent subleberties, and anyone she could get to sign up for her as-yet-to-be-determined pyramid scheme via the dark web, but she’s a determined grandma who Wuvs Huh Baybee Sopheeeuh Sooooo Mush, she’ll find a seat for her amidst all of these dear, close, important people in in her life. Even if it’s in the spot of Patient Zero.

 

Unless, of course, the wedding doesn’t happen, now that Farrah’s MTV career (and Debz’s chance at peripheral stardom) has, literally, gone up in flames. Because, if there’s no MTV crew to film it, did it ever really happen?

 

I wonder if LVP thought of all that could...blow up in her face...when she flew in HER horse. Eh, maybe: she brought Rinna  with her for that, didn’t she? Rinna’s lips—albeit done decades earlier without all the cautionary tales, because she WAS the cautionary tale—were the prequel for the entire Farrah Abraham dysmorphic-anthropomorphic hybrid signature look. So, perhaps, she did. LVP no dummy: if flying in her horse were to go as fantastically out of control, she was smart enough to bring her own sacrificial platypus.

 

I guess it’s probably too much to depict in the notebook-scribbling-drawings that they use to symbolize the contradictory existence of a teen mom, a child having a child, the school notes the toung people should be taking while they’re actually becoming parents of [not]students, themselves, but only serve to highlight that these women, most though permanently stuck in adolescence in many ways, are no longer teens, are not only not students but didn’t have that taken from them as a result of becoming moms; (excepting Farrah who got her associate’s? at a tenth-tier culinary school and Kail who took eleventeen semesters to complete an even less-regarded BA, and kinda Maci who took as long to earn her no-degree in Public Drinking and fewer credits in total than cans she drinks a night), they never were gonna BE students).

Perhaps a Being Farrah’s Horse special instead?

Or maybe she’ll get a donkey. And then we can get a double feature: Being Farrah’s Ass and Part II: Being Farrah Second Ass. Shit, still talking ‘bout her booty, the later years. Trilogy, then: Finally: Being Farrah’s Pet Ass.

[FairyDusted]

Totally NOT offended. Send that in. It's way better than anything they scribe. 

[Kalamityjayne]

On 26/02/2018 at 9:48 PM, TexasGal said:

They are really going all out trying to make Farrah look bad - not that she needs a whole lot of help in some regards but it’s like they are throwing it all out there.

I feel like Catelynn and Tyler’s producer is waaaaaaay too close with them.  It creeped me out for reasons I can’t really explain.

On Farrah- she’s just vile to production. Tv crews work hella hard, long hours. And yes, because they’re union they do get nice perks like constant food being walked round to them, but their hours are insane and they have no lives.  (Except for NuMatt when he was crew on shows. I can’t imagine him working hard ever at anything other than growing an ugly beard.) Producers - the same- though all that is different in a reality show and reality producers are known to be pretty gross themselves in the manipulative measures etc. I know people said Kristen has done things to deserve Farrah’s ire but not even NuMatts freshly castrated balls in Amber’s purse deserves the way Farrah speaks to her. She doesn’t even try to start civil. It’s all at a 10 from go. 

 

Its not just producers and bc MTV has screwed her without giving her a porn IMDb credit for the rough sexing- she talked that way to the realtor in this episode who was what? Relaying a message from the sellers? And she proudly reads her response  calling him a rookie and bashing him/her. 

 

She doesnt need a bad edit. She’s a bad apple, the embodiment of Veruca Salt and I wish we had Willy Wonka here to whimsically off her while Donald trump looking creatures sing.

 

23 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Wow Farrah sure did get a bad edit. Frankly, porn aside, she should be fired based on her actions re: producers. No one get to speak to another human like that. And if I was a seller,I'd be super pissed off if a person just came knocking at my door. 

The rest of the hour, snore. As much as I enjoy a good trainwreck, this show needs to be cancelled . I'm sure we will all live without our weekly dose of these brats. 

 

23 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

MTV brings it up because they know a good portion of the audience is disgusted with Farrah over her porn. A good portion of them are likely slut-shamers. MTV has enough reason to get rid of her without throwing it in her face about the career she chose before MTV begged her to come back. 

MTV is the biggest cunt of them all. 

 

23 hours ago, fetching said:

Maybe I'm an asshole but Catelynn needs to get a grip. I feel like they've gotten used to running off to "rehab" or "treatment" for every little thing which in some ways is not the best way to treat these things. If you are constantly removing yourself from your real life for weeks to months at a time, no wonder you can't deal with real life. People go through all sorts of things and get through them. This is another privilege their MTV salary gives them that actually does more damage than good. Just get a good therapist where you live and go see them a few times a week. And I am starting to feel a lot of sympathy for Tyler, he needs a break. 

I’ve had a miscarriage. I had a shitty childhood with abusive parent and an enabling one to the narcissistic abuser. Cates was worse so I’m giving her that. I too just wanted to die in those first few days. The grief is strong and your hormones are all over because pregnancy and then the sudden loss of that pregnancy. She needed help but my thoughts were like so many others. One in three pregnancies end this way. What, 50% of the nation has depression and other mental illness.  Most find a way to push through. I’m not saying don’t get help- but running to rehab every time life kicks your ass is not logical. It is not helping. She needs people in place nearby that can help her manage her depression. Leaving for 30+ days at a time is not the solution. Not a lasting one at least. 

Do she and Tyler think there’s a magic cure all for depression?  It’s the feeling I get when they do these “rehabs.”

Edited February 28, 2018 by Kalamityjayne

[MinorL]

Farrah is a monster. The crazy thing is that it isn’t that she lashes out impulsively. It’s that she purposely behaves that way because she thinks it’s cool (or whatever). 

 

Off topic: the lady at the DNA testing place had a super cute haircut. 

[FairyDusted]

LOL at Verulca Salt @Kalamityjayne

[charmed1]

3 hours ago, Kalamityjayne said:

Except for NuMatt when he was crew on shows. I can’t imagine him working hard ever at anything other than growing an ugly beard.)

This made me laugh out loud. I'm picturing NuMatt sitting in a chair, straining to get hair to sprout out of his face, like a play-doh toy. Then stroking his new beard with pride and satisfaction. 

P.S. I’m grateful for the NuMatt moniker because I cannot remember this fool’s name. I think I call him Skip in my head.

[Kalamityjayne]

4 hours ago, methadonna said:

Unless, of course, the wedding doesn’t happen, now that Farrah’s MTV career (and Debz’s chance at peripheral stardom) has, literally, gone up in flamesif flying in her horse were to go as fantastically out of control, she was smart enough to bring her own sacrificial platypus.

 

 

This was the best bedtime story ever and I need to work sacrificial platypus regularly into conversation.

13 minutes ago, charmed1 said:

This made me laugh out loud. I'm picturing NuMatt sitting in a chair, straining to get hair to sprout out of his face, like a play-doh toy. Then stroking his new beard with pride and satisfaction. 

P.S. I’m grateful for the NuMatt moniker because I cannot remember this fool’s name. I think I call him Skip in my head.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of a nice beard but he just looks like Wooly willy, though images of Amber stroking his play doh beard is making my bout with insomnia more entertaining.

[TGinKY]

I agree starfire. I am really feeling so bad for Tyler.  On top of his father's problems, he has to deal with Cait.

[christie]

5 hours ago, mamadrama said:

You and me both, girlfriend. I'm a Pisces and also wishy washy to boot. 

me too. :)

[mamadrama]

7 hours ago, FairyDusted said:

@Bridget We used to drive thru Severville TN to get to my Dads. Everyone is related to her in town. The funny thing was I knew one of her brothers here in Ohio for years before I knew WHO he was. Very nice family. 

When I was in high school, I spent two summers singing at Dollywood. I was in a country music show one year and in a 1950's show in the other. Dolly would always comedown twice a summer and meet all of her employees. I met loads of other celebrities that summer through their headliner concert series. Some were total asshats and some were very nice people but Dolly was still the friendliest and most genuine. 

[Calm81]

On 2/26/2018 at 11:29 PM, LotusFlower said:

I think they did some quick editing of this episode after Farrah filed her lawsuit this week.  The preview for tonight’s episode showed the conversation between Farrah and Morgan, the Exec. Producer.  But instead, we got some background or filler talk between the two producers in the car, and then the very dramatic and kinda weird “to be continued...”  I think they’re still going to show the scene next week, but maybe they edited the ending of tonight’s ep. to give themselves time to maybe check with their lawyers.

Just a guess, but regardless, Farrah’s a horrible person.  And her enablers, Michael and his fiancé, watch her abuse people left and right, and sit and do nothing.  It’s gross to watch.  

I’m not sure if this was mentioned but do you think that they just recently ADDED that conversation Larry had in that car and made it look like it took place BEFORE the Farrah firing? Like they staged the whole scene and made sure that they had on the EXACT same outfits they wore when they fired her to make it look like it happened on the same day??? I wouldn’t put it past Larry...they have big time lawyers and lots of money that Farrah can’t compete with. 

I don’t like that AT ALL if that’s what they’re doing. If you don’t feel like you did anything wrong why the need to react a fake scene? Idk.

Edited February 28, 2018 by Calm81
My phone kept putting “that” when I wanted “they” and I caught it too late

[kokapetl]

I think Farrah got the sack for her new porn cam career, and the “rude to producers” excuse is just to muddy the waters. Those producers didn’t even seem to react to her abuse, like it’s just a normal part of their job. 

[MargeGunderson]

8 hours ago, Kalamityjayne said:

Do she and Tyler think there’s a magic cure all for depression?  It’s the feeling I get when they do these “rehabs.”

 

In a way, I think they do! Or at least wish there was. We've seen them time and time again over the years claim that they want to pursue something - being a teacher, a social worker, start a foundation named after Carly. They never follow through. They don't have a lot of perseverance or apparently believe in hard work, which could be said for most of these couples. They have the money to afford a lot of opportunities that most people don't, yet they aren't able to make changes they say they want. Instead, Cate (and Amber) falls back on the "I have a mental illness" as an excuse for all that's wrong in her life. Yes, you have a disease, but you also have the resources to get help. Unfortunately, that requires work on their part, not a magic pill, and they are not accustomed or willing to do the work. This is likely a life-long disease that they have to learn to manage, which may include medication and regular therapy (that doesn't happen on camera or in a Kinko's back office). There's nothing going on in either of their lives that would make going to the doctor and therapist difficult to do. I think both of them like being able to use their mental illness whenever it's a convenient excuse. 

Tyler is trying and making some progress, so I'll give him some respect for that. I would give him more if he also went to a therapist and learned to set appropriate boundaries with the people in his life. 

(I say all of this as a person with rampant mental illness in my family. It's hard and it sucks but you won't see any improvement until you actually try to treat it and follow through with that treatment as long as necessary.) 

Edited February 28, 2018 by MargeGunderson

[Mr. Miner]

I think Cate may be a bigger sloth than Amber. I never see her doing anything. I don't think she has worked a day in her life. They keep showing her with a fucking cigarette, I doubt that she quit smoking during her pregnancy. When the money train leaves she's always going to have something wrong with her, she'll probably be on disability just like her sloth twin Amber. I don't have any empathy for any of these people, I do enjoy hate watching them on TV. 

[IgnoranceisBLISS]

18 hours ago, CaughtOnTape said:

19 hours ago, fetching said:

I don't think anyone is begrudging her for having emotions about a miscarriage, I think it's how they deal with things that we take issue with. Most people would find a local therapist and continue with their lives while working on their grief. If they were really suicidal, they might end up in a hospital for a few days. But the time and money spent on going to these treatment centers is disruptive to their lives and can't be good for their daughter. 

I think this is a huge problem with how mental health is viewed in this country.

"Most people" would do what now?  How does anyone know how "most people" handle anything?  This reminds me of cops who come to people's houses and decide someone's family member slaughtered them because he didn't cry hard enough or show the proper amount of emotion.  Cate had a miscarriage and from what I could tell it was for a kid she and Tyler desperately wanted.  I don't think "most people" would handle that by just popping into their therapist twice a week and then getting on with their lives.  Depression isn't something you handle when you get a minute.  It takes over every second of every minute of every hour of every day.  Which is where the disconnect comes in for those of us who don't suffer from it.  The going attitude "Everyone has shit to deal with, what is so bad that you can't get your shit together?" is annoying and unhelpful to people who know very well they are annoying the hell out of everyone around them but they just can't pick themselves up.  There is an underlying feeling of Cate having done this for attention and from what I saw, this was hardly a cry for attention.  She wasn't living life, she wasn't getting back up, she was failing to cope.  And she was talking about suicide.  And putting her in a hospital for two or three days may have made her feel better for those two or three days....and then what?  

What is more disruptive to their daughter?  That her mother is gone for a month or that Nova walks into a room to see her mother crumpled on the floor in tears without warning every other day?  

Every single friend I have ever known who has suffered a miscarriage suffers in silence because of this type of attitude and these types of judgmental questions.  And I, for one, don't think someone has to show an appropriate amount of - whatever - in order to check out of their life for a minute and figure it out.  If you (I mean you in the general sense, not you as in YOU) don't get it, then don't get it...but stop making people feel like they are weak because of doing this.  It takes an INCREDIBLE amount of strength to admit you can't handle things.  

I feel for Cate and for Tyler, because watching it happen to someone you love isn't any better than living it.  I wish them both healing.  It was hard to watch.

Love this entire post!!!

[Cherry Cola]

9 hours ago, FairyDusted said:

LOL at Verulca Salt @Kalamityjayne

I said this very same thing yesterday!!   Hilarious.  And so true!!

[teapot]

11 hours ago, methadonna said:

I know what you actually mean here (and there’s nothing incorrect in your wording, so please know this is not even the most passive-aggressive dig!), 

but

for some reason I got the most fantastic mental image of Farrah, flying in (like, inside of) her horse. 

Isn’t its name SparkleandShineBoogerButt or Glitter Backdoor or ... something ridiculous and glitter-magic-y? (And, iirc, hasn’t she also either dyed its hair or given it extensions or something so it can look as fake as she does? And are these part of the horrors of a ridiculous imagination (see below), or did she bedazzle and glitter and manicure it and do all she could to make it a likeness of her own being besides swapping out its horse mouth for a platypus’s? Maybe for one of Sophia’s typically understated and age-appropriated birthday parties for all of her apparently no* friends?)

*If this is as it appears on TV (and not because she actually has scores of friends who all have reasonable and responsible parents who won’t allow them to be exploited by shown on MTV. And simultaneously allow them to be friends with Farrah’s child. Which is a total paradox. So I’ll go Occam’s Razor and not editing on this), it’s because of the bizarre world Farrah has created around Sophia and, even if this continues to be true as her peers gain greater autonomy and likely do reject her themselves unless there’s radical change, how that world has created Sophia; it’s the way that Farrah (who, I believe, has made very active choices she truly believes align with doing what’s best for her child but she is so devastatingly wrong, as opposed to many of these moms, whose passivity, inactivity, and disengagement are what lead to their parenting fails (ahem, Amber)) has shaped Sophia—and the current (and, likely, lasting, without significant intervention) effects on Sophia’s ability to interact with her peers (and people, and probably all living things); it’s not about my trying to mock a little kid for [presumably] having no friends or being ... different and challenging. Ya know ?

Eh nee waaaay

So, here we have this woman who has already had herself surgically altered into a 3-D cartoon character (who, by day, uses her powers to don her alter-ego as the only Teen Mom with the ambition and drive to be a contributing member of society, and, by night and other day, reverts back to to her [semi]natural form, a hybrid of truly cruel villainy and word-salad-spitting speaker of such nonsensical babble as to belie disincomprehensibilityishnessal (may or may not be a direct quote ... yet. But, if not, I look forward to hearing her use it, in a far less contextually logical way, when she does learn about the point of set teachers—both from a legal standpoint and from a You-don’t-have-the-intellectual-capacity-to-even-make-the-active-decision-to-unschool-Sophia one—and Sophia gets a list of suffixes for Farrah to wantonly add to words to make her sound more smarterest). And her cartoonish pet horse.

 

And so, from your one little innocuous statement, all I can picture is this would-be-a-cartoon-but-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction humanoid, flying around in her Trojan-horse-meets-My-Little-Pony-pegasus-esque pet/accessory (same, unilaterally, on this show). 

 

Maybe, with TM’s little notebook-drawing outros, Farrah’s last scene of gracing us with her presence on this show can be completed by an animation of her hopping in[to] her flying, rainbowyishnesslike (again, notadirectquote. probably) pegasus horse (which, like its My Little Pony predecessors, will have a specific icon stamped all over its butt in glitter. Presumably, an anatomically precise stamp, a still life in heat-transferable sparkle paint, if you will, of Farrah’s vulva), and taking flight.

With the movement of its wings to allow Farrah to, um, mount and enter, BedazzledBoogerButt first knocks down   Kerthy.

With its first leap forward in its steps toward becoming airborne, it knocks down [Heather? what’s-her-name-fired/previous-producer] who should either be granted immediate sainthood or an inpatient facility life-sentence for being able to navigate the sea of Farrah so successfully she got dragged under, the pegasus-horse’s giant foot crushing, if not her body, certainly  her soul.

And, with its grandiose if not graceful sweep of its wings in the last part of its maneuver to lift Farrah to ascension, in turn, each member of her family, who are all lined up behind the immediate producers (hands and  Botoxed faces reaching out, whether toward her in support or for support will continue to remain both the question of and answer to each of their motivations in remaining so dangerously close to her simultaneous orbit and gravitational pull that, regardless, seems to be leading to everyone’s spinning out of control) are knocked down, 

In turn, an assembly line’s worth of rectangles, simply-labeled MTV’s Teen Mom Staff, topple like a carefully constructed but easily knocked down dominoes.

Farrah, joyful at seemingly having destroyed any and everyone below her ascends upward, but her father had managed to stand up yet again like the giant Weeble punching bag he is, and he begins to call out, “No, Farrah, don’t gooooo.....”

Thinking he is begging for her return, rather than giving her an unfinished/unheard/disregarded warning, Farrah is simultaneously angered and satisfied; she knows more than all of those lowly peons (or, as she is sure it is, pee- ones) and would have simultaneously denied hearing it and made up a contradictaory statement as to why she knew that the rest of his sentence, which she never heard nor realized existed, anyway, is wrong, and so, like Icarus (Ick-R-Us, she corrects; that’s where the white trash EPs—my bosses whom I fired and now am suing for my firing them—buy their trashy outfits that fully cover their trashy proportionate and/or natural body parts) and the higher she goes. 

Finally, with a few more flaps, she is so close to the sun that an optical illusion suggests that it is not revolving around her. Luckily, she knows this, too, like everything and everyone who isn’t her, is wrong. Ironically, it is the bedazzled vajazzle identity-prescribing markings on My-Little-Pegasus-style BackdoorBoogieBling that begin to melt off first, sprinkling toward all those she has stepped on or knocked down in her attempt to prove how much more greater than ;-) above them she is. 

But she is right about one thing: there IS good reason to immortalize one’s genitalia in silicone and glitter: as if her plastic pussy power has shifted its magic to the freed glitter itself, and, as she promises she can in many a totally self-made, self-love video, it cums down in almost surreal amounts, leading all of those knocked down to ... get up, just in time to see the wings melt next and Farrah—making the sun that revolves around her—move in its orbit, almost as if it is she who is falling and not, of course, the other way around, as she’d have told you had occurred, had all of the hotness that anything near her feels and must act on, not led to her ... exploding in the heat of the moment. Whether the remaining silicone from her pegasus and her sundry implants all melted into one celestial body, separated into a giant heap of space trash, or became just a literal black hole to supplant the previous figurative one she was in mortal form, we may never know. But, her Dad-duh-less only wonders what he can still do to try to help her hear the rest of his cry, “Don’t go ... any higher or lower,” even though he can’t see that, even if she did, she’d instead manage to do both.

 Debz OG, otoh? Already has Sophia dressed up in a new gown for her wedding, and she’s busy making room on the guest list for this fancy affair—already quite filled with several dozen of Jenelle’s ex-boyfriends, ex-fiancés, ex-husbands, ex-sperm-donors, and their exes, which, alone, has resulted in her commissioning a seating chart from the CDC, given its obvious similarity to their disease-outbreak maps; various other Teen Mom 26 - adjacent subleberties, and anyone she could get to sign up for her as-yet-to-be-determined pyramid scheme via the dark web, but she’s a determined grandma who Wuvs Huh Baybee Sopheeeuh Sooooo Mush, she’ll find a seat for her amidst all of these dear, close, important people in in her life. Even if it’s in the spot of Patient Zero.

 

Unless, of course, the wedding doesn’t happen, now that Farrah’s MTV career (and Debz’s chance at peripheral stardom) has, literally, gone up in flames. Because, if there’s no MTV crew to film it, did it ever really happen?

 

I wonder if LVP thought of all that could...blow up in her face...when she flew in HER horse. Eh, maybe: she brought Rinna  with her for that, didn’t she? Rinna’s lips—albeit done decades earlier without all the cautionary tales, because she WAS the cautionary tale—were the prequel for the entire Farrah Abraham dysmorphic-anthropomorphic hybrid signature look. So, perhaps, she did. LVP no dummy: if flying in her horse were to go as fantastically out of control, she was smart enough to bring her own sacrificial platypus.

 

I guess it’s probably too much to depict in the notebook-scribbling-drawings that they use to symbolize the contradictory existence of a teen mom, a child having a child, the school notes the toung people should be taking while they’re actually becoming parents of [not]students, themselves, but only serve to highlight that these women, most though permanently stuck in adolescence in many ways, are no longer teens, are not only not students but didn’t have that taken from them as a result of becoming moms; (excepting Farrah who got her associate’s? at a tenth-tier culinary school and Kail who took eleventeen semesters to complete an even less-regarded BA, and kinda Maci who took as long to earn her no-degree in Public Drinking and fewer credits in total than cans she drinks a night), they never were gonna BE students).

Perhaps a Being Farrah’s Horse special instead?

Or maybe she’ll get a donkey. And then we can get a double feature: Being Farrah’s Ass and Part II: Being Farrah Second Ass. Shit, still talking ‘bout her booty, the later years. Trilogy, then: Finally: Being Farrah’s Pet Ass.

that.  Was.  Amazing.

[ReadMeLattice]

13 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Those kinds of affirmations have never done a thing in the world for me. To me, they're just words. Cliched words at that-the kind you'd find written on those posters that you used to be able to buy at Hallmark. I guess it may work for some...

I seriously can't stand those things. I have some friends who say them every day. I don't get it but to each their own, I guess.

[ReadMeLattice]

12 hours ago, Kalamityjayne said:

 

I’ve had a miscarriage. I had a shitty childhood with abusive parent and an enabling one to the narcissistic abuser. Cates was worse so I’m giving her that. I too just wanted to die in those first few days. The grief is strong and your hormones are all over because pregnancy and then the sudden loss of that pregnancy. She needed help but my thoughts were like so many others. One in three pregnancies end this way. What, 50% of the nation has depression and other mental illness.  Most find a way to push through. I’m not saying don’t get help- but running to rehab every time life kicks your ass is not logical. It is not helping. She needs people in place nearby that can help her manage her depression. Leaving for 30+ days at a time is not the solution. Not a lasting one at least. 

Do she and Tyler think there’s a magic cure all for depression?  It’s the feeling I get when they do these “rehabs.”

 

I don't disagree, but the thing is, *nobody* seems to really know what actually helps depression. You're right that many people deal with it...many people also develop addictions, commit suicide, abuse other people due to their own pain, etc., etc. Our postpartum suicide rates are skyrocketing in this country, making our maternal mortality rates the highest in the developed world, and meds don't work or can actually exacerbate things for large swathes of the population. I don't know if most people really 'find a way to push through.' I think most, or at least a lot, just deal with quiet, simmering pain and desperation all the time. Some die, some get divorced, some go to jail, some develop addictions they can't hide and some (usually richer) folks develop ones they can, at least for a while.

So while I don't disagree that the rehabs aren't likely to be magical cure-alls and might not be the best thing...does anybody really know how to appropriately deal with it on a consistent basis for the majority of the population? Given our mental health epidemic, it doesn't seem so to me. Our mental illness rates are rising, not falling. I don't mean to seem all Debbie Downer, and I do think Cate is lazy and annoying. But it seems like she's at least doing something now, while she didn't do much to help herself or jump start her recovery for many years.

Edited February 28, 2018 by Lm2162

[gunderda]

On 2/27/2018 at 6:28 AM, Ajb1112 said:

Wait, so Farrah seriously just showed up at a house that was for sale, unannounced, and asked to come inside and look around??? What the hell?? That's not how that works.

AND without a realtor.  Just goes to show what a narcissistic asshole she is.  

22 hours ago, teapot said:

I definitely hear what you're saying, and it breaks my heart.  BUT...Cate was given a golden opportunity.  She & Ty had much adoration, especially at the beginning.  She *could've* built a semblance of a life for herself, and derived validation from that, no?  (ie going into social work or becoming an adoption counselor)

I might be judging too harshly here, but I don't have a shit-ton of patience for someone who just seems like an incredibly selfish mother

Cate is definitely a product of her environment.  Without Tyler I believe she honestly would be holed up in a ratty trailer chain smoking.  Tyler is the reason they have nice things.  Tyler wants a nice house and a nice lifestyle. He is taking advantage of their situation/status.  Tyler puts in the time and effort in all of their houses. Tyler seems to like to keep busy and I appreciate that.

16 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Give it up.

yeaaaaa because how many years of a shitty attitude are suddenly better after 5 months?  Ok Michael.  I used to like this guy...... 

[Mr. Miner]

8 minutes ago, gunderda said:

Ok Michael.  I used to like this guy...... 

He's a spineless fucking creep and his fiancé is falling right in line with all the eggshell walking they have to do to keep their meal ticket.

[bethster2000]

On 2/26/2018 at 8:48 PM, fetching said:

This is another privilege their MTV salary gives them that actually does more damage than good. Just get a good therapist where you live and go see them a few times a week. And I am starting to feel a lot of sympathy for Tyler, he needs a break. 

I'm officially laying off Tyler for now.  HIs life IS a mess and most of it is not his fault.  I, too, had a very messy life because of selfish, soul-sucking family members; I cut them out of my life, as hard as it was, because in the words of the skank Kelly Taylor, "I choose me."  It was tough, but it is my life and I am so much better off without the constant daily drama with a capital D.

The MTV money and experience has most certainly spoiled Cate.  It also seems a little contrary to what the point of therapy is (and I've been in therapy for 18 years): you're supposed to get to a place where you can handle your shit amid everyday life.  It's not easy.  (I'm still not there 100%.)  I think it's kind of dangerous to get used to the idea that you need a luxury resort to overcome mental health crises.  You know what?  No matter how long you stay in the luxury resort getting help, you eventually have to return to your life, and then what?

[teapot]

15 minutes ago, bethster2000 said:

  You know what?  No matter how long you stay in the luxury resort getting help, you eventually have to return to your life, and then what?

Apparently, you chew your cuticles, stare at your phone, smoke substances of all kinds, dye your hair various shades of Easter-Egg chic, eat, ignore your child, freak the fuck out whenever the slightest thing goes wrong, and sleep.

Then when you get sick of it, you run off to rehab again.

Therein lies my frustration.

[kokapetl]

I noticed they weren’t living in an octagonal house. What ever happened to that?

54 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

He's a spineless fucking creep and his fiancé is falling right in line with all the eggshell walking they have to do to keep their meal ticket.

I’m surprised Farrah agreed to be seen with a woman with hair that bad. 

[Chickabiddy]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

He's a spineless fucking creep and his fiancé is falling right in line with all the eggshell walking they have to do to keep their meal ticket.

 

And by not even having the courage to keep their meal ticket in check even a little bit, they can now kiss that meal ticket goodbye.  Cuz any cash Farrah manages to squeeze out of MTV is not going to go in the magical family money pot. 

Her whole family started to believe their own bullshit about Farrah;s value to MTV. It is turning out to be a very costly miscalculation. As I posted previously, all those girls better see what happened to Farrah as their own wake up call. Photogenic teen moms are a dime a dozen. 

[LotusFlower]

5 hours ago, Calm81 said:

I’m not sure if this was mentioned but do you think that they just recently ADDED that conversation Larry had in that car and made it look like it took place BEFORE the Farrah firing? Like they staged the whole scene and made sure that they had on the EXACT same outfits they wore when they fired her to make it look like it happened on the same day??? I wouldn’t put it past Larry...they have big time lawyers and lots of money that Farrah can’t compete with. 

I don’t like that AT ALL if that’s what they’re doing. If you don’t feel like you did anything wrong why the need to react a fake scene? Idk.

Definitely a possibility.  Cuz it was weird to film themselves without a cast member present.  Or maybe they felt they had to set the scene for their “talk” with Farrah.  

[Chickabiddy]

40 minutes ago, bethster2000 said:

 I think it's kind of dangerous to get used to the idea that you need a luxury resort to overcome mental health crises.

 

It's particularly dangerous when the luxury resort rehab will likely be out of your financial reach within 5 years max. 

That's why I find this show so detrimental to all the participants. It is has given all of them an inflated sense of their own importance and value in the world. Once the MTV cash dries up, not one of them has the life skills, education, financial acumen, etc. to make a living that will bring them anywhere close to what they have become accustomed to. How do you go from mid six figures to $30,000 in a good year? 

Even Farrah has an expiration date on her adult entertainment career because once you start looking like an adult, it's all over. Gary for the win in terms of laying a financial groundwork for his future by buying rental properties. He is obviously not sinking it into fancy houses, cars. body makeovers and tats.  

[ReadMeLattice]

1 hour ago, Mr. Minor said:

He's a spineless fucking creep and his fiancé is falling right in line with all the eggshell walking they have to do to keep their meal ticket.

I get very creepy vibes from him, too. Something has always seemed "off" about him, and I always got "manager of Farrah's *entertainment* career wink wink" overtones from his behavior/the way he talked. 

Like, is she a bitch to him? Yeah, absolutely. But I've always felt like he allowed it because 1) either he let something really bad happen to her in childhood and now feels bad about it, 2) he's making money off of her porn, or both.

[Rebecca]

Bentley and Hudson are not brothers. They are step brothers who, by the sound of it, barely know each other. It’s great that they want them to build a brotherly relationship but to act like they already have it and it’s somehow “unfair” that they aren’t together more is ridiculous. First of all, they both have other families because Mackenzie and Ryan both have kids with people you are not with. Second, Ryan wasn’t even the “fun weekend dad” EVER, let alone an actual parent because he didn’t want to be so he it’s sickening to hear them act like they’re being somehow persecuted by not just getting Bentley whenever they want because Ryan finally decided he might give a fuck. If I am recalling correctly he has no actual custody even. I think Ryan thinks it’ll be easier now so he might as well have Bentley over because it’ll entertain Hudson and I’m sure Mackenzie does everything anyway so what does Ryan care if Bentley is there too? It makes Ryan (appear to) look like a better father and “shuts people up” and he has Mackenzie to take the place of Jen and do all the work so it’s win-win getting Bentley regularly now for them. Plus, Mackenzie obviously wants to have control over Maci somehow. It clearly pisses her off more than Ryan that Maci calls all the shots.

Maci...I know you need a storyline but you’re in a better position than a lot of people. I have the same condition as you and I’m not saying it doesn’t suck but it’s definitely one of the more manageable conditions I have. Also, no “miracle” three kids for me. And, welcome to the world of medications, where it’s always a trade off with side effects. The fact she’s just realizing this makes me think she hasn’t had to deal with medications too many times in her life. Maybe the surgery seems ridiculous to her because she doesn’t really need it? Something just seems off with that storyline.

Farrah was insufferable but we’ve seen Jenelle do similar and refuse to film/leave/not let them in/demand shit. Kailyn too, I think. I wonder what the hell happened in the house that she shouldn’t have knocked on the door of - “touchy feely”? Doesn’t sound like Farrah, hah. I still hate Morgan. His voice is so annoying on top of it. They can fuck off for judging the porn stuff. I think Morgan might have made a mistake when he literally said that was why she was being fired. I hope she wins her lawsuit, somehow. Lemme see your browser histories, assholes.

If I spoke to the 5 year old I see regularly the way Amber speaks to Leah she would wonder what the hell was wrong with me because she’s not a baby. Oh, Gary. He’s my fave. 

I’m not touching the Catelynn stuff with a 500 foot pole.

[Bridget]

1 hour ago, bethster2000 said:

I'm officially laying off Tyler for now.  HIs life IS a mess and most of it is not his fault.  I, too, had a very messy life because of selfish, soul-sucking family members; I cut them out of my life, as hard as it was, because in the words of the skank Kelly Taylor, "I choose me."  It was tough, but it is my life and I am so much better off without the constant daily drama with a capital D.

The MTV money and experience has most certainly spoiled Cate.  It also seems a little contrary to what the point of therapy is (and I've been in therapy for 18 years): you're supposed to get to a place where you can handle your shit amid everyday life.  It's not easy.  (I'm still not there 100%.)  I think it's kind of dangerous to get used to the idea that you need a luxury resort to overcome mental health crises.  You know what?  No matter how long you stay in the luxury resort getting help, you eventually have to return to your life, and then what?

Exactly!!

I don't doubt Cate felt horribly at all, but what I do question is how much of the "Cate goes to rehab" stuff was filmed in real time. I don't think she was faking any of her feelings, but the way it went down seemed 10 types of inappropriate when it comes to taking care of a person claiming they want to kill themselves. 

Why wasn't Cate wasn't placed on a 5150 hold first and foremost, especially since she vocalized that she had rampant thoughts about killing herself? Did she really leave Kerthy a voicemail about wanting to kill herself before she told her own husband?

If someone with a history of depression left me a voicemail with that claim, I would call 911 immediately, not wait to drive to their home to tell their husband/wife about it.  Isn't that what should have happened before anyone even thought about getting on a plane? Why didn't anyone call 911 to make sure she received immediate professional care instead of taking a full day to travel? Who takes that risk?

Instead of spending the time on the phone/online with the facility in Tucson and booking flights, why didn't anyone make sure she got help ASAP?  Did Cate need to continue to suffer all day long while traveling instead of being treated by medical professionals in a Michigan hospital who would have been able to begin to help her in a matter of minutes? That's the stuff I don't understand. Was the whole "let's get on a plane" scene manufactured for TV? 

So many things could have gone wrong while taking Cate to Tucson if she was truly looking to kill herself. What if she'd had an anxiety or panic attack while at the airport or on the plane? What if she'd decided to use the lavatory and ended up hurting herself? Tyler's not a doctor. Who the hell was meant to look after her and keep her safe from herself while she was en route from Michigan to Arizona? (Maybe MTV had a doctor fly with them - have no idea.) It just seems so incredibly irresponsible of everyone, especially if C&T are trying to show their "fans" how to handle suicidal thoughts. One doesn't wait hours to get help; one should get help immediately.

I hope she learns to recognize and identify the symptoms of anxiety, panic attacks, depression and suicidal thoughts. I hope she doesn't ignore her aftercare, taking medication(s), remembers what happens when she uses pot & how it impacts the prescribed meds from being effective and tries her best to use the tools she should have been given when she's feeling anxious or nervous instead of crying "suicide" and gets on a plane again because she isn't able to apply the things she's learned and get through rough patches, knowing she is capable of doing so. I hope she finds a decent therapist, actually goes on a regular basis and understands the importance of adhering to her new "lifestyle", whether it's setting boundaries or keeping to a consistent routine each day. Just like when someone loses weight, the maintenance is always the hardest part. Simply hitting a goal weight isn't the magic cure. Once someone weighs a certain amount, it's not as if the body is going to stay locked at that number forever. One has to continue to put in the work to continue to stay at that weight, just as Cate needs to put in the work of taking care of herself to stay healthy, not giving up and understanding how to work through times when she is struggling or experiencing unexpected roadblocks.

It's not my place to tell other people's stories, but there have been a few posters here who have shared that they knew they needed immediate help, told someone and received professional care in a timely manner. They didn't wait for hours or days to pass before identifying and recognizing the urgency of going to a hospital. I applaud you all for your strength and the day-to-day care it takes to make yourselves healthy.

[gunderda]

47 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I get very creepy vibes from him, too. Something has always seemed "off" about him, and I always got "manager of Farrah's *entertainment* career wink wink" overtones from his behavior/the way he talked. 

Like, is she a bitch to him? Yeah, absolutely. But I've always felt like he allowed it because 1) either he let something really bad happen to her in childhood and now feels bad about it, 2) he's making money off of her porn, or both.

He's already stated that he let Deb abuse Farrah and he feels guilty about that. So you're almost spot on! And probably whatever other abuse it was that Farrah claimed she experienced but wouldn't share on that one other show. 

24 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

Bentley and Hudson are not brothers. They are step brothers who, by the sound of it, barely know each other. It’s great that they want them to build a brotherly relationship but to act like they already have it and it’s somehow “unfair” that they aren’t together more is ridiculous.

Maybe it's just me... but the first time we saw Hudson and Bentley together, Hudson seemed a little TOO excited to get to be with Bentley. Because like you, I dont think they've spent much time together.  I feel like Hudson has some weird attachment to him. 

[CaliforniaLove]

16 minutes ago, Bridget said:

If someone with a history of depression left me a voicemail with that claim, I would call 911 immediately, not wait to drive to their home to tell their husband/wife about it.  Isn't that what should have happened before anyone even thought about getting on a plane? Why didn't anyone call 911 to make sure she received immediate professional care instead of taking a full day to travel? Who takes that risk?

Yeah, you'd think at the very least one of the millions of Twitter followers she felt the need to tell would have done something. 

[TheRealT]

On 2/27/2018 at 1:41 AM, salvame said:

As I was trying to summarize 8 years of this shit fest to dh tonight,  I started wondering - with all the collective therapy/rehab these folks have been through in their young lives,  why is it that none of them seems to have regular regular therapist sessions at home.  While my heart broke for T&C, how on earth would they possibly think this would be the right time to bring another life into their world?  Where is the therapist that can bring rational thought into these folks' lives and help them see that maybe they should ALL take a step back and nurture the lives and relationships they already have before adding even so much as a hamster to their life?  Watching Cate go from "it wasn't a good time for a baby"  to "I thought of every possible way to kill myself" in the space of hours was not healthy or helpful for anyone. 

Now that you mention it, it does seem odd that, apparently, they don't access any local mental health treatment apart from seemingly sporadic, short-term sessions with Kinko's Kathleen. Even in this episode when Cate was suicidal, there didn't seem to be any thought of reaching out to a local mental health practitioner. They seem to think that you either go to a residential treatment program or do nothing. I guess that's why Ty was considering going to residential treatment because he was busy and stressed. I would think that lots of people, from their friends and family, to the clinicians at Cate's rehab, to the producers, to Drew have suggested that they get into therapy, so I wonder why they haven't? That would be a much better use of the MTV money than buying horses and supporting their fucked up relatives.

I cringed every time they talked about having another baby all season and I was horrified when Cate announced her pregnancy and everyone (except Ty, heh) acted like it was so great. Their storyline this year has been all about how depressed they both are (basically). Where's the reasoning in, "We both feel like shit and are overwhelmed by our responsibilities. Let's have a baby!"? 

37 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

Like, is she a bitch to him? Yeah, absolutely. But I've always felt like he allowed it because 1) either he let something really bad happen to her in childhood and now feels bad about it, 2) he's making money off of her porn, or both.

I feel like the Abrahams have basically admitted that Farrah was sexually abused as a child (possibly by one or more of DebzOG, EMBA's boyfriends?) and Michael feels guilty for not protecting her from that specifically and from all the abuse/trauma she experienced as a child in general. Farrah has talked about how she has provided financial support for both parents, so that aspect plays into their dynamic as well. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she paid, in part or in full, for his house in TX where she was staying with him and Amy (and that being part of why he and Amy were so cool with her and all her stuff being there).

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

48 minutes ago, gunderda said:

Maybe it's just me... but the first time we saw Hudson and Bentley together, Hudson seemed a little TOO excited to get to be with Bentley. Because like you, I dont think they've spent much time together.  I feel like Hudson has some weird attachment to him. 

I don't know. My three year old gets crazy excited when his 11 and 9 year old cousins come to our house from out of town to stay the weekend/night with us because he loves "playing with the big kids."  Bentley is around my son's cousins ages. The older cousins love playing with him (at least for now, we'll see when they're teens). 

My son only sees them maybe six times a year max, but he's always super excited and attached to them when they come over or we see them at family gatherings. He starts getting super excited just if he hears that they're coming over. My son is the same way with his fun adult "aunties," "uncles," and "guncles" (our childless friends who come over for dinner, etc, a few times a year and take the time to play and talk with him).  Hudson having the super-toddler-excitement for Bentley makes sense to me.  Bentley's relationship with Hudson is probably a lot more like my son's cousins' relationship with my son, whereas Bentley has sibling relationships with his half-siblings at his primary residence.  Plus, Hudson is the only child who lives at Ryan & Mac's (& at Hudson's dad's place), so he's probably excited to see another kid when Bentley comes over.  My son has a baby sister, but she can't play with him as "well"/do the big kid things his cousins can do.

Edited February 28, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[BXD]

I genuinely feel for Tyler and Cate. It's such a horrible thing to go through, and as attention-seeking as he might be on social media,  poor Tyler is always the one left picking up the pieces. While I agree that people don't just run off to rehab for every little thing that goes wrong in their lives, I think Cate has a million issues that have gone unaddressed for years (horrible childhood, Carly, etc) and it seems like it finally came to a head. If she didn't have so many underlying issues I would say the rehab trip was an exaggeration, but I really hope that her stint in there gets give her a new look on life and helps her start over.

And I really do wish the two of them would get real jobs or hobbies to get them out of their house and out into the real world more, being at home all the time and moping will not help her in the long run!!!

Edited February 28, 2018 by BXD
Edit to change "undressed" to "unAddressed"...oops

[ghoulina]

19 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Well, I don't see how they could not stare at her tits--they precede her into a room by at least 5 minutes, 

No kidding. Farrah knows she dresses to get attention. 

[ghoulina]

3 hours ago, Mr. Minor said:

He's a spineless fucking creep and his fiancé is falling right in line with all the eggshell walking they have to do to keep their meal ticket.

I wouldn't mind them kissing ass when WITH Farrah, in order to keep the peace and be able to see Sophia. But the way he goes overboard defending her heinous actions on Twitter just destroys any credibility he had. 

 

1 hour ago, gunderda said:

 

Maybe it's just me... but the first time we saw Hudson and Bentley together, Hudson seemed a little TOO excited to get to be with Bentley. Because like you, I dont think they've spent much time together.  I feel like Hudson has some weird attachment to him. 

His mom probably encourages that. I bet she talks Bentley up constantly and gets Hudson all excited about seeing him.  That's easy to do with little kids.