S07.09: Let's Try Again

[poeticlicensed]

1 hour ago, imjagain said:

Something about him creeps me out way more than OM.

The beard that reaches all the way to lips, plus the dirty fingernails make me shudder

[GreatKazu]

5 hours ago, teapot said:

It says here that she got fired for spending the night at Farrah's (I wonder if F made her go to the port-a-potty in her bunny slippers.)

 

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2017/05/16/why-isnt-producer-heather-on-this-season-of-teen-mom-og-exclusive-details/

MTV is covering their ass. I never believed that reason. 

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2) Even if she DID tell the producers first, they still have a couple months before it airs and they could easily tell their families in that time. 

I seriously don't get what the hold up is with telling their families. Either tell them or don't.

I had a miscarriage and I didn't tell my family. I didn't even tell them I was pregnant because I had just barely found out and it happened that quickly. To me, what was the point? 

Edited January 24, 2018 by GreatKazu
Told???? Really? OMG Never post before you have your coffee in the morning! Stupid me.

[SneezeWeasel]

What I want to know is:  Were they really going to name a baby Dandelion? 

[Claire85]

When Taylor was talking about getting Maci pregnant and Maci said basically, maybe not and you know why and then took a big slug of her drink, silly me thought, “of course, they’d have to stop drinking to try and get pregnant.” 

Not the reason? Oh how naive I was. ?

[Caracoa1]

The best time for Tyler to leave Caitlin would be while she is in rehab.  That way if she threatens suicide she's already on lockdown.

[Quilty]

Hey everybody! Let's go to Hawaii and spend the whole time there in bed or in a car. 

Tyler is such a pussy.

[Quilty]

Taylor can't do anything without getting bitched at. When he took a small taste of the wedding cake Maci acted like he slapped her with a piece of bacon.

[Abmis]

2 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Hey, now! I'll have you know that Tyler Baltierra, MD was raised by a pharmacist. A street pharmacist.

Darl Lynn Baltierra, D(S)Ph knows plenty about drugs. 

Is that Butch's real name?  Wow!  When Tyler was ranting about sleep meds he reminded me a lot of Butch.  I've never seen that before.

This episode didn't have enough Leah for me.  Besides Maci's kids, she and her real family (Gary, Kristina, and Emilee) are the only ones I really like on this show any more.

[Poohbear617]

For someone who constantly says she hates drama and negativity, Farrah never seems to realize she is the number one supplier of it. Now Debra is a loon, but I will admit she and farrah were doing relatively well in Italy, but they can't help themselves. First she makes the table and the viewers cringe with the "let's have a double wedding on the beach" , but it was blowing over and everyone was calm then Farrah just had to say to Mowgli "don't you like Italy more than Key West, it's so nice when significant others stay away". Just leave well enough alone. It made me remember how I liked debra's burn last week when farrah said "isn't it nice without David" AND Debra returned "isn't it nice without  Simon" . Nice to see debra give it back rather than whine and cry.

[ghoulina]

55 minutes ago, Caracoa1 said:

The best time for Tyler to leave Caitlin would be while she is in rehab.  That way if she threatens suicide she's already on lockdown.

He'd never do that because then he would no longer appear like the world's most loving, supportive husband. 

 

(In all seriousness, I wish he would.)

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

2 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

1) Dandylion is a REALLY stupid name.

It makes Lux look like one of the most level-headed, sane, normal names a parent could give a child. 

If they were legitimately going to name a human child Dandylion/Dandelion (I assume they'd spell it "you-neek-lee" because JaYde), then they are just straight idiots and shouldn't be allowed to have any more kids.  Yeah, I said it.  They are a couple of stupid, D-list celebrity, Hipster Hillbillies playing at middle class "cool celebrity" mom & dad. 

I'd rather be Lux, Ensley, Rainbow, North, Saint, Pilot, Kal-El, or hell, even Apple, before I was a Dandylion/Dandelion. 

Seriously, a vasectomy and/or tubal ligation is in order at Casa de St. Maci of Bud Light because the booze has killed their brain cells.  

Edited January 23, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[CaliforniaLove]

19 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

It makes Lux look like one of the most level-headed, sane, normal names a parent could give a child. 

Eh, I think I'd still take Dandelion over Lux, but only because it's at least a flower, whereas Lux is....what exactly (oh yeah, old school soap)? They're both stupid though. I bet Maci & Taylor came up with it drunk while yelling "candy is DANDY, but liquor is quicker!!". 

[ghoulina]

I would definitely take Dandy(lion) over Lux. 

But that ain't saying much. 

[Teddybear]

4 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Kim won the prize of person I most want to push off a cliff this week. "It makes me feel bad! I'm a terrible mother!" "No-uh, Mom! You're an awesome mom-uh!" Way to make it all about yourself, Kim. Par for the course with this crowd though, right? All so needy and unable to cope, sucking the air out of the room. Cate's meltdown over the keys was ridiculous. This is life, girl! These things happen! Its not a crisis!

Every time I question what Kim says (and why do her eyes look so weird behind her glasses?? they look like those googly eyes on dolls), I have to remind myself she thought marrying Butch was a good idea.  Could there be any worse decision?  

And regarding the keys, what I thought was weird was that it appeared Cate looked for them for a bit, but then plopped down on the grass and cried?  Wouldn't most people retrace their steps and scour the park until they found the damn keys?  

Edited January 23, 2018 by Teddybear

[Birdee]

17 hours ago, TeeMo said:

Tyler would probably be able to sleep better at night if he did something crazy like get a job. 

Or raise his damn kid. I don't know of any parents of toddlers who work either in or out of the house who don't sleep like the dead given the chance. If he kept himself occupied all day with something that actually mattered, he be worn out at the end of the day. Instead, he at Cate just sit around and think about shit to make themselves sad/anxious/pain in the butt. 

 

17 hours ago, TeeMo said:

The weirdest moment in this whole episode was when I found myself saying "Wow that was really nice of DebzOG" when she gave Michael and Amy that ceramic plate of the grotto where they got engaged. That was perhaps the most human thing DebZOG has done in years. It was legitimately thoughtful. 

I was really proud of her for that and for not spilling the beans about the proposal!

[Tatum]

3 hours ago, CofCinci said:

There are so many Amber/Matt articles that I can’t find it on my phone right now.

Heather was also Amber’s producer. Heather became aware that Matt was cheating with Jeff’s tattooed girlfriend.  She told Amber. Sociopath Matt twisted it into Heather/Farrah/Simon are trying to tear our love apart.  Amber/Matt threatened to leave the series if Heather wasn’t fired.  MJ fired Heather and she runs that TLC TM clone now. 

“But I wouldn’t really want her fired.”

I know that the MTV crews have gone record as saying they are treated not very well and it's regularly emphasized that they are extremely replaceable, but still, they really should have called Amber's bluff. She'd never quit this show and Matt would never let her quit this show.

 

3 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

This makes more sense. I forgot about the cheating. I wonder if that was the name mentioned when Matt took the lie detector test and failed the question. Thank you!

 

I'm wondering now if the somber looks from Taylor and Maci were manufactured drama...because really

1) Dandylion is a REALLY stupid name.

2) Even if she DID tell the producers first, they still have a couple months before it airs and they could easily tell their families in that time. 

As far as #2, I got the impression Taylor did not want to tell his family *at all* and now he had to do so. Yes, he could beat the airing, but he still had to do something he wasn't planning on doing thanks to Maci's big mouth.

 

The whole "Baby Dandelion" is so weird. Now, I know if you do chromosomal testing you can discover the sex of the baby pretty early, like 9-10 weeks, but there is no reason to do that unless you think there might be a problem. Insurance won't cover it for people who are just curious and don't want to wait until anatomy scans. Maci could have paid out of pocket for it, but these are probably several thousands of dollars and they are somewhat invasive, again, medical staff probably wouldn't do it just because. An ultrasound probably wouldn't show anything until 14-15 weeks at the earliest, and if Maci had a miscarriage that late, we are talking a surgical removal of the fetus and that is a pretty big deal. My coworker lost her pregnancy at 16 weeks and she had to actually go through with the delivery at the hospital. It is not something your body will get rid of on its own like an early miscarriage. If she was that far along (like 2nd trimester) that is closer to a stillbirth (although miscarriage is the appropriate terminology for under 20 weeks, but the procedures for 2nd trimester miscarriages are like that of stillbirths), and that is something I'd think most people would consider pretty traumatic. Not telling people how to grieve but nonchalantly bringing it up to producers while being filmed for a reality show seems like kind of an unusual reaction.

[Calm81]

Tyler - Mom, I’m feeling stressed and can’t sleep. I need to start making more time for myself to heal and start worrying about my own wellbeing before it gets worst 

Kim - Was it my parenting? Oh know, Tyler, I was such a bad mom waaaaaa waaaaa please comfort me and tell me I was a good mom my wellbeing will suffer

Tyler - Thanks for listening you awesome mother you. ?

 

Tyler officially made me feel bad for him. He’s surrounded by life suckers that all need Tyler’s attention ...his dad thinks of Tyler more of his dad than he is to Tyler. FFS. 

I know the drive to the photo shoot wasn’t the right time to vent your feelings but goddamn When is Cate able to comfort her husband? He drops everything for her feelings. Even at the park when she lost her shit over the keys and succumbed to the ground after two minutes of looking people were trying to coddle her “You had a lot going on today, don’t beat yourself up over it!” Geez!

Edited January 23, 2018 by Calm81

[CaliforniaLove]

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

I know that the MTV crews have gone record as saying they are treated not very well and it's regularly emphasized that they are extremely replaceable, but still, they really should have called Amber's bluff. She'd never quit this show and Matt would never let her quit this show.

How come they can replace beloved sitcom characters at the drop of a hat (Beck from Roseanne, Aunt Viv on Fresh Prince, etc), yet they treat these scumfuck "moms" like irreplaceable diamonds? MTV sucks. 

[GreatKazu]

20 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Who is Nova?  Do C&T have a child other than Carly?!

Nova is Briana's first child. 

[BlancheDevoreaux]

20 hours ago, pheebs said:

Tyler can't sleep? Maybe it could have something to do with that 24 oz. RedBull you just slammed in the late afternoon? Jus sayin'.

Who in dog's name invites their daughter and grand-daughter (and TV crew) to your marriage proposal? And Michael, the 90's called and wants their slightly-oversized round tortoise-framed yellow gold glasses back - Elaine Benes lost her contacts.

Cate's lost keys freak-out conveniently resolved by Ty-Ty's side-chi... I mean Cate's new bestie. She's just so great to have around, amirite? Their entire entourage looked like a gathering of the Juggalos. So. Completely.Trashy.

Amber? Where do you start with this one? All horrible decisions aside, (and there's many) her fashion taste would make Blanche Devereaux throw shade.  And NuMatt's nasty dirty feet and fingernails make me want to hurl. I must admit, he skeeves me out more than OldMatt, if that's possible.

Voice of TM2 Roxanne - "I just cannnnn'ttt with you guyyyyysss!"

I can 100% confirm this. 

[CofCinci]

Tyler can’t sleep because he’s laying next to someone he resents. He is disgusted by sloth Catelynn.  

[Mr. Miner]

I just watched this shitshow and I have to give Amber some credit. She somehow manages to be more disgusting with each passing episode.

The Terra Reign Trailer Park photo shoot was lame.

[GreatKazu]

4 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said:

Eh, I think I'd still take Dandelion over Lux, but only because it's at least a flower, whereas Lux is....what exactly (oh yeah, old school soap)? They're both stupid though. I bet Maci & Taylor came up with it drunk while yelling "candy is DANDY, but liquor is quicker!!". 

re bolding - That has to be the title for Maci's thread! 

How do we know Maci had a miscarriage? Maybe she *gasp* lied to Taylor? She lied about her fertility issues, obviously. She lied about not drinking while pregnant. Anyhoo.

@Tatum if Maci had a miscarriage, and it was at a hospital, chances are she requested testing (not sure if it is required) of the fetus. That would be another way to determine the sex of the child. The pathologist would determine whether the baby was a girl or boy as well as try to determine the cause of miscarriage. I don't think Maci was farther than 2 months or even 3 months because at that point I would think she and Taylor would have told their families she was expecting. Unless she was trying to hide that pregnancy for some reason such as trying to delete photos of herself drinking so no one can accuse her of drinking while pregnant again. 

 

5 hours ago, Quilty said:

Taylor can't do anything without getting bitched at. When he took a small taste of the wedding cake Maci acted like he slapped her with a piece of bacon.

Maci can go eat shit. Her ranting about Taylor ruining their luck (and she actually mentioned a possible divorce) because he dared to eat a piece of the cake and it ruined tradition. BITCH, PLEASE!!! Where was this talk about TRADITION when you had two trap babies at your wedding? 

Edited January 24, 2018 by GreatKazu

[CaliforniaLove]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

@Tatum if Maci had a miscarriage, and it was at a hospital, chances are she requested testing (not sure if it is required) of the fetus. That would be another way to determine the sex of the child.

I don't want to make assumptions regarding how one handles going through a miscarriage, but if you found out the sex AFTER having said miscarriage, would you still refer to the baby by the girl name you had picked out, and also use a nickname?! 

[mamadrama]

"Baby Huey" is an accurate assessment of Andrew and works on several levels. Dude is a man child. He looks like a man, is the right age to be a man, but every time he opens his mouth he sounds like your typical middle-schooler. 

[Quilty]

I really liked Gary teasing Leah in the car. 

[TonAmi]

Andrew looks like a disheveled owl. 

[athousandclowns]

Andrew and Amber discussing telling people/ family about the pregnancy. Well Leah will be excited she loves shit like that. 

Thats all. 

[cereality]

35 minutes ago, Quilty said:

I really liked Gary teasing Leah in the car. 

I did too. It was such a dad thing to say -- well you had your moment, now the baby is my favorite; while Christina did the -- it doesn't work like that, there are no favorite children even though I spend more time taking care of the baby right now, doesn't mean I love her more etc. It just felt so "normal" and you can tell Gary is close enough to her and she can huff about it like a normal like a normal 9-10 yr old but she doesn't actually believe that her dad doesn't love her; it just shows that their day to day bond is so deep.

[jumper sage]

6 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

I'd rather be Lux, Ensley, Rainbow, North, Saint, Pilot, Kal-El, or hell, even Apple, before I was a Dandylion/Dandelion. 

I was born in 1962 and had to be named after a song, sigh, my original name was Tangerine.  Apparently my mom came down off the meds and crossed it out and named me a normal name after a song.  

[FairyDusted]

9 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Hey, now! I'll have you know that Tyler Baltierra, MD was raised by a pharmacist. A street pharmacist.

Darl Lynn Baltierra, D(S)Ph knows plenty about drugs. 

No shit is that his name??? I'm freaking out because when I was young and dumb I unknowingly hooked up with a guy named Darl Lynn who went to prison for interstate drug trafficking. MI too actually. Fuck. * Shudders* 

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, CaliforniaLove said:

I don't want to make assumptions regarding how one handles going through a miscarriage, but if you found out the sex AFTER having said miscarriage, would you still refer to the baby by the girl name you had picked out, and also use a nickname?! 

I knew someone who did this very thing.

It is not something I did.

People handle miscarriages in very different ways.

Edited January 24, 2018 by GreatKazu

[Blissfool]

8 hours ago, Claire85 said:

When Taylor was talking about getting Maci pregnant and Maci said basically, maybe not and you know why and then took a big slug of her drink, silly me thought, “of course, they’d have to stop drinking to try and get pregnant.” 

Not the reason? Oh how naive I was. ?

Haha!

When Maci said that, my initial thought was, "Did Taylor have a vasectomy that both HE AND I forgot about?"

(Maybe Taylor thought that too and he ran to the bathroom to check.)

 

6 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Seriously, a vasectomy and/or tubal ligation is in order at Casa de St. Maci of Bud Light because the booze has killed their brain cells.  

I guess my comment above was wishful thinking.

14 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

No shit is that his name??? I'm freaking out because when I was young and dumb I unknowingly hooked up with a guy named Darl Lynn who went to prison for interstate drug trafficking. MI too actually. Fuck. * Shudders* 

uh-oh

[druzy]

19 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

No shit is that his name??? I'm freaking out because when I was young and dumb I unknowingly hooked up with a guy named Darl Lynn who went to prison for interstate drug trafficking. MI too actually. Fuck. * Shudders* 

@FairyDusted we were all young and dumb at one time- at least I know I was! 

[AmyFarrahFowler]

1 hour ago, Quilty said:

I really liked Gary teasing Leah in the car. 

I love Gary and Kristina. In my opinion they are the best parents of them all. I wish she could really adopt Leah,.

1 hour ago, jumper sage said:

I was born in 1962 and had to be named after a song, sigh, my original name was Tangerine.  Apparently my mom came down off the meds and crossed it out and named me a normal name after a song.  

1963 here, named after a song but I guess Mom was sober enough to pick Sweet Little Sheila. Was it a thing then?

[Imtooold4thissheet]

Conspiracy theorist....butttt I think most of the story lines on Teen Mom are fake, including Maci’s miscarriage.  I think Maci and her husband have ZERO storyline, so MTV and Maci and her husband talk about story lines.  I bet Maci had a heavy period and they turned it into a miscarriage. The whole restaurant scene seemed rehearsed and not sincere at all.  And the whole BS story line about them needing office space, BS!!! I think the Tyler guy doesn’t want people to know that he really sits around the house doing nothing while his sugar momma’s checks come in from MTV.  

Farrah storyline can be summed up as -2009-Teenage mom, Screams at her mother in every scene. Fast forward -2018- Pornstar mom, Screams at her mother in every scene, IT’S THE SAME DAMN THING, for practically a decade.  

Are Cate and Ty trying to out pathetic themselves? Why do these two have a child?  Why don’t they find a resort where they can stay permanently and lament about how hard they have it and how stressful life is for them.

Amber is a pig in human form.  Watching her segments makes me feel like I need to take a shower.  And there is something very off with the  Bigfoot that impregnated her.  He always has his lips puckered like a butthole and he blinks way too much.

[TheRealT]

On 1/22/2018 at 10:32 PM, pheebs said:

Cate's lost keys freak-out conveniently resolved by Ty-Ty's side-chi... I mean Cate's new bestie. She's just so great to have around, amirite? Their entire entourage looked like a gathering of the Juggalos. So. Completely.Trashy.

Am I the only one who thought that the rediscovered BFF had the keys all along? Maybe I've seen too many Lifetime movies...

[GreatKazu]

10 minutes ago, TheRealT said:

Am I the only one who thought that the rediscovered BFF had the keys all along? Maybe I've seen too many Lifetime movies...

I blame Jeff. 

[Rebecca]

Tyler is a fucking idiot. So sick of his whining. I’m sure he has trauma from his past but your life is not that fucking stressful, even compared to just the “average” person. GTFO and take Kim with you. Also, I’m FROM the Midwest and I freaking HATE Catelynn’s trash bag accent. It’s the worst and just adds to her trash level. PICK-TURE, bitch, not “PIT-CHER.

Amber - “I can’t do anything right.” Yeah, we fucking know. It’s not a funny joke when it’s 100% true. She’s a fucking failure at everything. WE all know what a “big deal” a baby is, Amber. I’m thinking YOU really don’t, despite your words. She’s just so fucking stupid. YOU FELT THE SAME WAY ABOUT MATT JUST MONTHS AGO!!

Apparently it escapes Maci that Amber is just as shitty of a parent as Ryan is. Perhaps even worse. Would she be “excited” if he were having a baby? Would her first thought be that Bentley would be “so excited” about it? I very much doubt it. She’d talk shit about how he doesn’t father the kid he already has, with good reason. 

Why the fuck did Debra need to be at the proposal? All the crying was a bit much but I guess sweet? I guess Michael is super happy to have found a wife that’s not 100% toxic and insane, like Debra. Debra is fucking batshit to suggest a joint wedding. Her gift was thoughtful but the crying? Really?

[TheRealT]

28 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

Amber - “I can’t do anything right.” Yeah, we fucking know. It’s not a funny joke when it’s 100% true. She’s a fucking failure at everything. WE all know what a “big deal” a baby is, Amber. I’m thinking YOU really don’t, despite your words. She’s just so fucking stupid. YOU FELT THE SAME WAY ABOUT MATT JUST MONTHS AGO!!

That whole scene was cringeworthy, from Producer Woman's bad acting to elicit exposition to Amber's nonsensical answers to the most basic questions while Producer Woman pretended to be happy for her rather than appalled, but glad to capture the drama for the show. Then the follow-up discussion with NuMatt: "It's a big deal having a baby. Really. You don't get it." "Yeah, whatever, it will be cool..." WTF is wrong with him? We know that Amber is crazy and Anderson, IN ghetto trash. He's supposedly a rich kid from Malibu with education and at least a half-assed career. I assume that he's living off of Amber, but, presumably, he could be living off of his parents in frigging Malibu, hanging with his Hollywood friends, going to the beach, and even working on reality shows when he got bored. How is he not losing his shit stuck in some filthy apartment in IN waiting on pregnant, unmedicated Amber? It doesn't add up.

Another thought I had about him is, given their story about how he researched and pursued Amber after having minimal contact with her on the other show, wouldn't it be hilarious if he were a true Matt 2.0 and had done the same thing with other reality stars and Amber was (again) the only one who took the bait? I'm waiting for that other shoe to drop.

[mamadrama]

4 hours ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

I love Gary and Kristina. In my opinion they are the best parents of them all. I wish she could really adopt Leah,.

1963 here, named after a song but I guess Mom was sober enough to pick Sweet Little Sheila. Was it a thing then?

Named after the gothic horror novel, also made into an Alfred Hitchcock movie, that my mother was reading when she went into labor. She'd assumed I was a boy throughout her whole pregnancy; upon my birth she had to pick something fast and that book was on her bedside table in the hospital. 

Dandelion? Really? That's...odd. 

[starfire]

Things are always weird  when Farrah and Sophia are involved, but I think it was especially bizarre that Debra was along on Michael's engagement vacation. The scenes with all of them were just so strange and awkward -- with Debra professing her love for Michael and Amy, kissing Amy, getting all emotional and dramatic, and just in general being there. I thought the actual proposal was sweet, but you can tell how whipped they are that they went along with Farrah's weird "ex at the proposal" plan.

I haven't decided if Amy is a saint or just as nutty as the family she is marrying into.

[bethster2000]

6 hours ago, jumper sage said:

I was born in 1962 and had to be named after a song, sigh, my original name was Tangerine.  Apparently my mom came down off the meds and crossed it out and named me a normal name after a song.  

LOL, hey there, flower child...or, rather, child of a flower child...born in 1970 here, and my folks were originally going to name me Prudence, after "Dear Prudence" on the White Album.  They got engaged at a 1968 Jimi Hendrix concert, so it makes sense ;-)  They finally came to their senses, also.

FWIW, "Tangerine" is my absolute favorite Led Zeppelin song.

[Calm81]

5 hours ago, TheRealT said:

Am I the only one who thought that the rediscovered BFF had the keys all along? Maybe I've seen too many Lifetime movies...

I’m obsessed with Lifetime movies (mostly the ones from the 90’s but I still enjoy the new stuff) but that was my initial thought “Oh, let me hide the bitches keys so that Tyler can see Cate have another freak out while I become the hero...then he will see how much better life would be with me since I find shit while Cate loses shit.” ?

Any other time I would be like “Women can have their girlfriends around and not have the friend sleeping with the husband” but in this case we already have it on film that Tyler vents to the BFF (Best Fuckin Fake) about his problems which opens the doors to an emotional affair seeing as how we KNOW Cate doesn’t listen to his feelings. The BFF is at that stage where she’s hanging onto every damn word.

They haven’t shown much of Cate with the BFF either. She came out of nowhere and I see her interact with Ty more. Could this be why she went running to rehab two additional times????

4 hours ago, Rebecca said:

Tyler is a fucking idiot. So sick of his whining. I’m sure he has trauma from his past but your life is not that fucking stressful, even compared to just the “average” person. GTFO and take Kim with you. Also, I’m FROM the Midwest and I freaking HATE Catelynn’s trash bag accent. It’s the worst and just adds to her trash level. PICK-TURE, bitch, not “PIT-CHER.

Amber - “I can’t do anything right.” Yeah, we fucking know. It’s not a funny joke when it’s 100% true. She’s a fucking failure at everything. WE all know what a “big deal” a baby is, Amber. I’m thinking YOU really don’t, despite your words. She’s just so fucking stupid. YOU FELT THE SAME WAY ABOUT MATT JUST MONTHS AGO!!

Apparently it escapes Maci that Amber is just as shitty of a parent as Ryan is. Perhaps even worse. Would she be “excited” if he were having a baby? Would her first thought be that Bentley would be “so excited” about it? I very much doubt it. She’d talk shit about how he doesn’t father the kid he already has, with good reason. 

Why the fuck did Debra need to be at the proposal? All the crying was a bit much but I guess sweet? I guess Michael is super happy to have found a wife that’s not 100% toxic and insane, like Debra. Debra is fucking batshit to suggest a joint wedding. Her gift was thoughtful but the crying? Really?

I hit the like button then unlike button just to hit like again. YES!!!!

That was my first reaction. Maci bitches about Ryan barely caring to see Bentley all these years until the cameras are around. He’s on film driving while high and is the in and out older brother to that kid. Both Taylor and Maci dog him for those reasons. But her girl Amber can do all of those things and plus more (go around ABUSING her men and attempting to hit co-workers) and they’re EXCITED????

How can you hate one person for a list of reasons and loooooove your friend who shares the same rap sheet???????

Something also tells me that Maci is just scared of Amber and that scene was staged to where she told Taylor “Let’s act like we are excited when she calls because we know how she is...” then behind closed doors and bye bye camera crew the most certainly ripped Amber to shreds behind her back. How perfect and sanctimonious Maci is you KNOW her ass ran her mouth about the situation but is too scared. Easy to bad mouth Ryan and Mack because they’re harmless but Amber is quick to punch. 

To take this even further, I don’t even believe that Maci even likes Amber, and maybe only likes Cate 50% of how much she pretends on camera. Do you honestly believe based on the clips of Macis real friends that Amber and Cate would ever be considered cool girl Macis friends in real life?? Maci is Fake. She likes those two for the cameras and because they do her dirty work. Once the show ends they won’t be as close.

[mamadrama]

I kinda thought that Maci did the whole "Amber is pregnant scene" so that she could look like St. Maci. "Look at me! Look at how non-judgmental I am and how I can be happy and supportive of my fellow castmates!" I don't believe for an instant that she was happy or "excited" for Amber. And I think Taylor's WTF face kind of showed that. 

[alexa]

I watched the clips of the episode, and saw the rest of the Maci scenes, which made that whole restaurant scene even worse.  I had no idea Taylor had done all of that for the anniversary, and then that is what she did to him while they are supposed to be celebrating?  But I was also disturbed to see how intently Taylor was and wanted to drink.  That is not a man that is happy or as together as I thought.  When you put that much importance in drinking, literally, then there is an issue.  It was clear he was trying to "escape", and over time the drinking between both of them is going to be a major issue.  I was thinking back to the age that I literally gave up drinking other than the occasional wine, etc, and I am not sure that I find their age an issue--more that once you have 3 kids it is well past time to put that level of drinking behind you.  (I had a child much later in life than them, and also never found drinking that important in general)

I did find it disturbing as well that Amber purposely avoided birth control.  In the past at least she had some understanding of the impact of a pregnancy for her, but she is clearly far worse now if she no longer sees this as an issue and tries for a baby with a stranger.

As for Tyler and Catelynn, I wonder if C ignores him mainly because it is too much for her to handle other people's stuff.  She should be supportive, but if he goes on and on about things like this to her, I can see that she might not know what to say everytime.  She probably also does not know how to support him anyway.  But she should do her part of the work...she is definitely a slacker.  I love how she just assumes the house renovations should just be done "soon".  Clearly they are taking some time, and it is a large, old house.

Edited January 24, 2018 by alexa

[shannew]

Those kids clothes were AWFUL!   The color choices for those 70's bell bottoms for little girls.

[ReadMeLattice]

Well, if that Heather story isn't the most believable, most quintessential Amber/Matt thing I've ever heard...Matt fucks up, he scapegoats someone to Amber, she falls for it hook, line, and sinker...

Matt is a master of triangulation. And Amber is a willing puppet.

[Tatum]

3 hours ago, Calm81 said:

 

To take this even further, I don’t even believe that Maci even likes Amber, and maybe only likes Cate 50% of how much she pretends on camera. Do you honestly believe based on the clips of Macis real friends that Amber and Cate would ever be considered cool girl Macis friends in real life?? Maci is Fake. She likes those two for the cameras and because they do her dirty work. Once the show ends they won’t be as close.

I so agree with this. I was so disgusted with her during the reunion when Amber storms the stage where Farrah is sitting and threatens her physically. Maci comes up as Amber is escorted off the stage and pats Amber on the back all sympathetically while shaking her head in disgust at Farrah. Yeah, we get it Maci, Farrah's a bitch who also stole your "hot girl on Teen Mom" thunder 8 years ago. But by all standards, Amber is far worse. Yet she is somehow sympathetic to you? Yeah, because she goes after people you don't like. I've said it before, Maci has no principles. And I am sure she would never agree to hang out with Amber and Cate when the cameras weren't rolling.

[guilfoyleatpp]

10 hours ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

I love Gary and Kristina. In my opinion they are the best parents of them all. I wish she could really adopt Leah,.

1963 here, named after a song but I guess Mom was sober enough to pick Sweet Little Sheila. Was it a thing then?

<raises hand> sister born in 1968, named after a Beatles song. 

Me, born in 1970, named after a Leonard Cohen song. 

Apparently a thing...

 

and Oooooh, I hadn't thought about Cate's friend having the keys. That's trouble, right here in River City! With a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands for the TEMPTRESS best friend.