S08.E01: Stronger Than Ever

[janie2002]

26 minutes ago, WhoaWhoKnew said:

I do believe there is something about LVP that men love. My favorite moment on VR is when the cooks at Sur were speaking in Spanish about how they would marry her.

Or how Schartz is completly inlove with her lol 

Or the time the 3 guys were in her closet and saw a topless or boudoir picture of her and were freaking out! I think Jax tried to snap a cell pic of the photograph. 

Hell my husband finds her sexy AF, even compared to Erika Jayne all done up in a sexy outfit

[gundysgirl]

20 minutes ago, Wings said:

PK and Dorit must own that house.  Someone said it was rented.  You don't build a closet from wood imported from Italy if you rent! 

 

She does own it. Someone else noted that it is for sale. Looks like they put it on the market in July, which was when they were filming this episode. The article below has the listing on July 29th, and Rinna's birth day is July 11th. It takes more than a few days to get a home listed, photos taken and prep to get it on the market, so they must have known when they were filming here that they were selling the house. Seems kind of strange to me. 

 

http://homesoftherich.net/2017/07/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-dorit-kemsley-selling-beverly-hills-mansion/

Edited December 20, 2017 by gundysgirl

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

SNL has parodied Erika twice. Do you think they love her or are mocking her?

The first one was more about RuPaul's Drag Race. As a person with a show on an NBC Universal network (Bravo), Erika has an agreement with them to let them use her music for free. The sketch was about a bunch of mechanics who loved Drag Race, but didn't want to admit it for fear of not seeming manly. The sketch culminates in a dance off with Erika's music playing. So she's really only adjacent in the sketch.

The second sketch is straight up mocking Erika and Tom. Larry David plays an attorney who insists on having his talentless wife perform her risque act that she performs in gay clubs for his law firm. This mocks an incident where Tom played one of Erika's videos as entertainment at a bar association meeting.

Edited December 20, 2017 by HunterHunted
To include the videos

[zoeysmom]

6 minutes ago, gundysgirl said:

She does own it. Someone else noted that it is for sale. Looks like they put it on the market in July, which was when they were filming this scene. 

http://homesoftherich.net/2017/07/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-dorit-kemsley-selling-beverly-hills-mansion/

Seems it has had a significant price drop:  https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1404-Dawnridge-Dr_Beverly-Hills_CA_90210_M16810-94077

[MatildaMoody]

I was at the grocery store yesterday and JCM's version of "I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus" was on. Please don't tell me that Teddi is the Mellencamp daughter singing at the end, because that would make me feel extremely old! 

[zoeysmom]

7 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

The first one was more about RuPaul's Drag Race. As a person with a show on an NBC Universal network (Bravo), Erika has an agreement with them to let them use her music for free. The sketch was about a bunch of mechanics who loved Drag Race, but didn't want to admit it for fear of not seeming manly. The sketch culminates in a dance off with Erika's music playing. So she's really only adjacent in the sketch.

The second sketch is straight up mocking Erika and Tom. Larry David plays an attorney who insists on having his talentless wife perform her risque act that she performs in gay clubs for his law firm. This mocks an incident where Tom played one of Erika's videos as entertainment at a bar association meeting.

here is the skit-http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/new-wife/3614360?snl=1

[Happy Camper]

23 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

lol seriously? His reputation has held up through all of Erikas other antics. How Many Fucks Do I Give? Always Cnty....Pat The Puss but DSL is where we draw the line? 

Exactly. 

After all of that, why are others expected to apologize because they notice and point out the obvious?  LOL!

[imjagain]

11 minutes ago, MatildaMoody said:

I was at the grocery store yesterday and JCM's version of "I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus" was on. Please don't tell me that Teddi is the Mellencamp daughter singing at the end, because that would make me feel extremely old! 

Love that song!! He has alot of kids so who knows.  I think all grown , so I'll join you feeling old no matter which child it is . Lol.

Edited December 20, 2017 by imjagain

[For Cereals]

14 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

I have hangover hate for Dorito from last season.   I'm glad she has a special bond with her kid because no one else on the face of the earth feels that way about their kid.  At least she forgot the fake accent half of the time tonight.

I mean, aren’t you supposed to have a special bond with your kid?  I don’t have them so I don’t know how that works but it’s like she’s stating the obvious...

[Wings]

42 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

lol seriously? His reputation has held up through all of Erikas other antics. How Many Fucks Do I Give? Always Cnty....Pat The Puss but DSL is where we draw the line? 

LMAO!

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, VedaPierce said:

She pulled herself together, but to me, her initial (honest) reaction was a bit over the top. Even for Kyle. I got annoyed that she instinctively yelled/blamed Lisa. Wonder if she would feel so free to shout at Erika like that if she had been sitting in Lisa's place... 

I guess it just didn't phase me because I'm an over-reactor. I'm just dramatic, period. Did a lot of acting growing up. I spill one thing in the kitchen and I scream like I just got murdered. Then I laugh 2 seconds later. I do think Kyle feels more free with Lisa, simply because they're so close. It probably happened so quickly that she didn't realize who did what, but they have that kind of friendship where Kyle can shout, "You just dumped whine all over my Birkin, you bitch!" and Lisa won't be phased. That's what I like about those two.  They BOTH seemed to be laughing and not taking it too seriously. 

 

49 minutes ago, oakville said:

I think Gigi & Bella are prettier than the Hamlin kids. I don't think they will have the same level of success.

I was wondering about that. I hate to snark on kids, or even God-given looks, but the Hadid kids DO seem a lot more modelesque, to me. I think Delilah could do alright, but there's just something about Amelia that doesn't work for me. I don't know anything about the fashion world, so I wondered about their comparative success. 

10 minutes ago, For Cereals said:

I mean, aren’t you supposed to have a special bond with your kid?  I don’t have them so I don’t know how that works but it’s like she’s stating the obvious...

Yes. But I think she was kind of making a point of how they have developed an even tighter bond because of his speech delays, and how she could understand him when no one else did. I have 3 kids and I love them all to the ends of the earth. But sometimes you do develop a super strong bond with one, and that can happen when special needs come into play. My youngest, my daughter, is on the spectrum and has struggled with developmental delays, sensory issues, behavioral issues, etc. I've had to spend a lot more time with her and often feel very protective of her, because everything that comes normal to most kids is a struggle for her. It doesn't mean I don't love my kids or that my husband isn't bonded with her. But it's just.....something special. I am not articulating myself well, and I normally am not a huge fan of Dorit, but I get what she meant in that moment. 

Edited December 20, 2017 by ghoulina

[poeticlicensed]

6 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I do think Kyle feels more free with Lisa, simply because they're so close.

This. I dislike the contrived "friendships" on some of the housewives shows. Erica gave the impression that she hadn't talked to any of them since filming last season. Same for Rinna and  Dorit. I think these franchises work best when the hoes are really friends like LVP and Kyle. You can tell that although they snipe at each other sometimes, they make up and it doesn't consume the season, unlike last year with Dorit, Erica and panty-gate.  

Edited December 20, 2017 by poeticlicensed

[Pop Tart]

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But I don't think production could have known about it unless Kyle told them about it. I just don't think that Kyle can have it both ways. And Kyle has to be well aware that the show is going to use Kim in ways that are not helpful to her whenever they can. She just needs to take this stuff offline with Rinna. She mentioned on the show that she tries to keep the stuff with Rinna and Kim separate. She needs to work harder on this because it looks to me like Kyle is more than open to continuing the Kim drama and reminding folks of all the earlier crap. 

This is the thing with Kyle. She has always made Kim her story. How Kim's addiction makes it so hard for her. How she has to take care of Kim or survive Kim or whatever. Going back to season one Kyle has had almost no other story. She was the one to make sure to call Kim an alcoholic at the end of season one. She is the one who talks about all that she does for Kim. And on and on. Other then the one season where she was a bit on the outs with Lisa, what other storyline has she had? Her happy marriage? Her white party? Her taking her daughter to college? Kyle has always relied on being able to play the Kim card for drama.

I did think that this season, since Kim isn't going to make any appearance at all according to reports, I thought Kyle might finally have to come up with a storyline of her own, but here we are in ep. 1 and she's already somehow made Kim the topic of conversation and positioned herself as the victim caught between Harry's anger and Kim's problems. Poor, poor Kyle. She just doesn't know what to do. She's caught in the middle. I'm wondering how she'll manage to make this last all season. And if she doesn't, then what? Just what will Kyle use to show her saint-like qualities?

I am not in any way saying that Kim isn't a very sick individual who has major addiction issues that impact all around her. But Kyle, since the very first season - which reportedly wouldn't have happened for Kyle if she couldn't talk Kim into participating - has always made sure that the world sees how it all relates to her.

[wallofsound]

Dorit seemed like she went out of her way to look like a better mother this year, but she still comes across idiotic to me.    Her comment about reconnecting with her kids while in Miami for four months ..... what is the younger kid, something like 16 months old?   You need to be on top of each other in a hotel suite to reconnect with your baby?   Just shows how much time she really spends with the kids in LA.  I’m sure she’s as reliant as ever on her hired help.   Accessory kids 

[walnutqueen]

2 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

I could never wear those. I'd be knocking things over with them all the time,or dipping them in my plate. They would drive me nuts!

Old lady batwing arms.  The reason we're not permitted to appear in public, sleeveless.

[imjagain]

2 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

I believe that Erika and Mikey need to apologize to Tom for that DSL comment.

I mean, the man has a reputation to uphold.

Tom isn't new. He knows what his wife is about.  She didn't have this act on the DL. Hell, before the show he was funding her projects. I'm sure he doesn't care. If he cared, I'm sure he wouldn't have never let her be on this show. Yes, I said let because I'm sure he is top dog in that relationship. He calls the shots.

I always assumed Erika was so upset about panty gate last season , was because she didn't want Tom thinking she was coming on trying to flirt with Dorit's husband.  She is half naked or has the the illusion of nakedness on stage but she knows Tom knows that's her act surrounded by gay men. I thought she was scared Tom would be angry at the idea of her trying to entice a straight man.  At least that'show I saw it. Tom and Erika definitely have a unequal relationship and Erika didn't want to disturb what has worked for them for a long time.

Edited December 20, 2017 by imjagain

[WhoaWhoKnew]

12 minutes ago, imjagain said:

 Yes, I said let because I'm sure he is top dog in that relationship. He calls the shots.

I think Erika herself confirmed this. I remember a scene where Tom cut Erika off mid-sentence and next we see a TH with Erika stating  "Tom is the boss. He just is!" or something similar.

[imjagain]

Just now, WhoaWhoKnew said:

I think Erika herself confirmed this. I remember a scene where Tom cut Erika off mid-sentence and next we see a TH with Erika stating  "Tom is the boss. He just is!" or something similar.

Thank you. I thought I remembered that but wasn't completely sure.

[Happy Camper]

7 minutes ago, imjagain said:

Tom isn't new. He knows what his wife is about.  She didn't have this act on the DL. Hell, before the show he was funding her projects, I'm sure he doesn't care. If he cared, I'm sure he wouldn't have never let her be on this show. Yes, I said let because I'm sure he is top dog in that relationship. He calls the shots.

Yep, so why would Dorit and PK need to apologize to him?

Pantygate was just Erika Girardi grasping at a desperate storyline. 

Pick a lane Erika,  either Tom is ok with Erika Jayne and her DSL, then why would he be offended by people noticing her lack of undies.

If someone else had referred to her overdrawn lips as "DSL", she would have been faux offended and demanded an apology.

Can't have both.

[hoodooznoodooz]

2 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

The first one was more about RuPaul's Drag Race. As a person with a show on an NBC Universal network (Bravo), Erika has an agreement with them to let them use her music for free. The sketch was about a bunch of mechanics who loved Drag Race, but didn't want to admit it for fear of not seeming manly. The sketch culminates in a dance off with Erika's music playing. So she's really only adjacent in the sketch.

The second sketch is straight up mocking Erika and Tom. Larry David plays an attorney who insists on having his talentless wife perform her risque act that she performs in gay clubs for his law firm. This mocks an incident where Tom played one of Erika's videos as entertainment at a bar association meeting.

 

Thank you for weighing in! I initially thought that they were mocking her. But since I find her so incredibly "mockable", I wasn't sure that I could be objective of others' motives. 

25 minutes ago, imjagain said:

Tom isn't new. He knows what his wife is about.  She didn't have this act in DL. Hell, before the show he was funding her projects, I'm sure he doesn't care. If he cared I'm sure he would have never let her be on this show. Yes, I said let because I'm sure he is top dog in that relationship. He calls the shots.

I agree with you. But then I wonder why Erika panicked about pantygate, concerned how Tom would react to everything.  I suppose she was either trying to escalate the drama for a storyline, or she is in fact anxious and nervous in this marriage?

eta: Oops. Happy Camper posted something similar while I was proofreading my post. 

Edited December 20, 2017 by hoodooznoodooz

[Happy Camper]

2 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Thank you for weighing in! I initially thought that they were mocking her. But since I find her so incredibly "mockable", I wasn't sure that I could be objective of others' motives. 

I agree with you. But then I wonder why Erika panicked about pantygate, concerned how Tom would react to everything.  I suppose she was either trying to escalate the drama for a storyline, or she is in fact anxious and nervous in this marriage?

LOL, we both had the same perspective at the same time!

[Fiero425]

4 hours ago, Lady of nod said:

This I'm waiting to see. HH needs to stfu. Confronting Kyle on a hike is not cool. He's doing Rhinna's dirty work off camera. Who is he to dictates who Kim hangs out with. It reminds me of Rhinna's being offended and surprised that Kim was at HER SISTER's party. I've always wondered how he put up with his vile wife's behavior, but it appears he has the mean gene too. Maybe that's why their kids are spoiled entitled brats.

True! It's rare I can't stand a whole family, but the self-entitlement of it all is so demonstratively apparent! Rinna's more than a borderline psycho who will throw a fit over nothing and lose her $#!t! She lies, makes up gossip, and her insults are always off track! If someone looks at HH too hard, I think she'd try and cut the b!tch! She's so insecure, constantly primping! She's getting old with terribly sagging skin hanging off those bones; esp. around the neck from what I remember of the Reunion last season! ;-)

Edited December 20, 2017 by Fiero425

[Happy Camper]

17 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Thank you for weighing in! I initially thought that they were mocking her. But since I find her so incredibly "mockable", I wasn't sure that I could be objective of others' motives. 

I agree with you. But then I wonder why Erika panicked about pantygate, concerned how Tom would react to everything.  I suppose she was either trying to escalate the drama for a storyline, or she is in fact anxious and nervous in this marriage?

eta: Oops. Happy Camper posted something similar while I was proofreading my post. 

LOL! Maybe Erika should have a cunty necklace made of pearls to capture both of her personalities.

Then change her name to Sybil.  (now I am really dating myself)

Edited December 20, 2017 by Happy Camper

[yourmomiseasy]

4 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

Worth noting that both Erica and LVP’s taglines mention diamonds! I think Erica is still salty that Tom thought LVP was enchanting! ?

I like the layer of LVP being the queen of diamonds (queen bee of the show) compared to Erika's just implying she's rich.

3 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

Erika seemed to be so smug when she spoke of Tom's partners' wives not liking her. Like they were the problem. Guess it doesn't occur to her that she likely gave them good reason to dislike her. She is so delusional in thinking that other women are just jealous. 

Her voice and mannerisms are just so annoying. I can't imagine people in Tom's social circle tolerating her awful personality.

I am sometimes amused by Erika, but her pinched nasally uninterested monotone vocal fry grates. 

2 hours ago, ladle said:

Kyle is a beautiful woman, and I applaud her for taking risks sometimes, but her style is just so bad.  True, I say this as somebody who mainly shops at Old Navy, but at least I'm not the owner of a clothing boutique! 

Not that Camille Grammer needs free anything, but I think it's pretty sweet that she manages to sidestep the obligations and drama that come with being an actual housewife but still gets to tag along on some of the fun trips.  Teach me, Camille! 

Well, it's been shown more than once that she gets her fashion advice from Portia :)

2 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

lol seriously? His reputation has held up through all of Erikas other antics. How Many Fucks Do I Give? Always Cnty....Pat The Puss but DSL is where we draw the line? 

I think it was a joke based on the absurdity of her demanding an apology to Tom last season.

6 hours ago, snarts said:

[small voice] I like Dorit [/small voice] I like that she's nice to people and seems genuinely interested in getting to know them. I enjoy seeing her interact with her kids.  That said, I've never laughed harder than when a segment from her interview popped up and she looked like a floating head.  

Interested to learn more about Teddi, like how they support themselves.  Or is her husband somebody famous?

Wish Rinna had been given the boot. Shocked as hell that her daughters are succeeding as models. 

I hate Erika. 

Kyle's first episode outfits were some of her worst ever.  Those shoes? and the blouse! and the dress!  She could definitely benefit from having a stylist. 

I like her too.  She's not my favorite housewife ever, but overall she's pretty innocuous and I think she's pretty and like seeing her hair and outfits.  Sometimes there are misses but she's always taking risks and often they pay off.  I actually like her glam holo top TH look except it doesn't translate to the setting and makes her head look weird, but it looked good when they showed her walking in it.

[beaker73]

I haven't read though all the pages yet, but a few initial thoughts:

The most likeable thing about Dorit is Jagger.  

Mikey is still as annoying AF

Erika's pigtail TH and Dorit's pink iridescent dress TH are both tragically bad.

Liking Teddi so far. 

Camille--meh.   

[Fiero425]

2 hours ago, oakville said:

I think Gigi & Bella are prettier than the Hamlin kids. I don't think they will have the same level of success.

Both have had a ton of surgery so far to change their appearance! The Hamlin kids haven't gone that far yet! I don't even find them cute; they need something to set them apart from the rest! The self-entitlement is so annoying! They expect everything to be handed to them and Lisa does it even when she keeps musing about being strict! That's total BS! ;-(

[Happy Camper]

2 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I am sometimes amused by Erika, but her pinched nasally uninterested monotone vocal fry grates.

It gets worse every season, like she has practiced it to appear more "cool". Not pulling it off.

 

4 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

was a joke based on the absurdity of her demanding an apology to Tom last season.

You are picking up on what I am throwing down. Thank you!

 

5 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I like her too.  She's not my favorite housewife ever, but overall she's pretty innocuous and I think she's pretty and like seeing her hair and outfits.  Sometimes there are misses but she's always taking risks and often they pay off. 

I like her as well. I feel like she wanted to befriend Erika (and all the other women) and was thrown off by the hostility from the get go.

[TV Diva Queen]

2 hours ago, Wings said:

Oh yes.  I agree totally.  Her "friends" don't even like her!  Nor does she like them.  Does she like anyone?  

I highly doubt she plans vacations around where she can bring her horses!  Dorit said that and maybe LVP did take one horse on a  trip for a specific reason, one time. 

=====================

PK and Dorit must own that house.  Someone said it was rented.  You don't build a closet from wood imported from Italy if you rent! 

Each house wife show has a theme of sorts or a direction.  This one is all about luxury from clothes to trips.  They don't send the other cities to Dubai.  All the talk of shopping and brand names are "scripted."  I don't figure that talk into my opinion of them.  

Because none of the other cities have heard of Dubai LOL. 

BH is the only cities where the gals have some serious bank.  Like serious, real cash.  Off the top of my head, I believe that Kandi from ATL is the only gal from another city that could possibly hang with the BH gals.

[Fiero425]

10 minutes ago, TV Diva Queen said:

Because none of the other cities have heard of Dubai LOL. 

BH is the only cities where the gals have some serious bank.  Like serious, real cash.  Off the top of my head, I believe that Kandi from ATL is the only gal from another city that could possibly hang with the BH gals.

Kandi "couldn't" or wouldn't hang with these b!tches! She isn't as pretentious and keeps her "bank" to herself! If it weren't for catering to her mom, buying multiple homes, I might not know she was rolling in it! She's so cheap for the most part, but spoils Mom and kids to death! She doesn't spend enough on herself with pretty bad style until recently! Her make up and clothing have been elevated quite a bit! I didn't like those pics from the Essence shoot though! ;-)

Edited December 20, 2017 by Fiero425

[thesupremediva1]

16 hours ago, Drumpf1737 said:

Kim Richards deliberately bated Rinna with that insinuation two years ago. If that insinuation affected the Hamlins outside this shit show i.e. a part he should've gotten but didn't because someone thought maybe he was on drugs since the Drunk Bitch of Beverly Hills is talking about him then he has every right to say something. HH was on a hot 3 episodes and he's getting in women's business?! How about that doddering old fool Ken? I've seen him get in more than one woman's face in the past.

ETA: I don't believe Harry said that to Kyle. If he ignored Kyle initially I bet she went up to him to "straighten things out" and he wasn't having the bullshit.

Can't agree more and have to agree with above poster who said the ladies enable her disgusting behavior. Stop making excuses for her. Stop making it Rinna's fault.  Rinna has a lot to apologize for but she doesn't owe Kim jack. I doubt Harry said anything to Kyle - I doubt he gives either one of them a second thought! Kyle is a double-talker, always wanting to point out how messed up Kim is and how she takes care of her, but never willing to cut ties or defend the people Kim hurts.

I've said it before and it bears repeating: If some known drunk decided to go after my significant other out of the blue like how Kim went after Harry in Amsterdam, she'd have gotten worse than what Rinna gave her. If you deliberately push people, you get what's coming to you. I only wish Teresa Giudice had been there to flip the table on her!

Kyle should STFU about Kim and Harry Hamlin. Maybe Kyle has a short memory, but I seem to remember an awful reunion ep that included Kim demeaning the serious injury her dog caused her niece while Kyle was sitting right in front of her. The fact that Kyle even speaks to her after something so callous and disgusting makes me question Kyle's sanity. Ergo: When Kyle speaks about Harry Hamilin or her sister, I mute the TV. She's still trying to angle a way for her sister to get back on the show by giving all that old shit life, and I'm over it. Without LVP as a foil, Kyle wouldn't be relevant at all. She continues to use Kim for a storyline and I'm baffled by it.

Dorit has an adorable son. He's more interesting than her.

Erika is not even a real person. She's a caricature come to life, and I cannot relate to her even on an aspirational level. I'd be embarrassed to talk about DSLs on national TV. No class, that one. Shocking since Tom seems to be a classy guy. I'd like to see more of Erika Girardi, and a whole lot less of Erika Jayne.

LVP won life for me with "Scratch the puss!"

[Martinigirl]

2 hours ago, gundysgirl said:

She does own it. Someone else noted that it is for sale. Looks like they put it on the market in July, which was when they were filming this episode. The article below has the listing on July 29th, and Rinna's birth day is July 11th. It takes more than a few days to get a home listed, photos taken and prep to get it on the market, so they must have known when they were filming here that they were selling the house. Seems kind of strange to me. 

 

http://homesoftherich.net/2017/07/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-dorit-kemsley-selling-beverly-hills-mansion/

PK invested in the property. H e is NOT the sole owner. 

[HunterHunted]

6 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Thank you for weighing in! I initially thought that they were mocking her. But since I find her so incredibly "mockable", I wasn't sure that I could be objective of others' motives.

A decent number of the SNL cast are Housewives fans--Bobby Moynihan (not part of the cast anymore), Aidy Bryant, and Cecily Strong. Tina Fey created the fake Bravo show "Queen of Jordan" on 30 Rock. She also had Jane Krakowski's character do an Erika Jayne-ish turn on the most recent season of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. She auditions for a Housewives show. She writhes around in skimpy clothing while explaining that her music would be playing in the background when the tape was final. 

My point is that enough of the SNL cast, writers, and those adjacent are familiar enough with the Housewives that they know how to make loving parodies versus straight up mocking. New Wife was mocking.

 

6 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I agree with you. But then I wonder why Erika panicked about pantygate, concerned how Tom would react to everything.  I suppose she was either trying to escalate the drama for a storyline, or she is in fact anxious and nervous in this marriage?

Erika never told Tom about pantygate, but it's pretty clear that Erika and Tom don't have a great arrangement about "Erika Jayne" or Erika's own sexual empowerment.

[Happy Camper]

59 minutes ago, imjagain said:

I always assumed Erika was so upset about panty gate last season , was because she didn't want Tom thinking she was coming on trying to flirt with Dorit's husband.

Obviously Erika did not go pantyless just to flirt with PK. Nobody insinuated that she purposely was trying to grab the attention of just PK. 

PK was not the only one who noticed, Kyle saw and commented, not just PK.  So was Kyle a creepy pervert as well?

Fact is, if you are going to not wear panties, and then announce the fact that you are not wearing panties, other people present are going to notice and may comment on that fact in your presence or behind your back. 

I absolutely hate wearing a bra. I find bras very uncomfortable. Despite this I will always wear one in public because I am cognizant of the fact that if I don't wear one, attention will be drawn to my nipples  If I choose not to wear a bra, should I be offended if some husband in my group of friends makes a comment to his wife that my nipples were showing?

Bottom line is that she did not accidentally not wear panties, and people noticed, so she can't be offended that this was noticed.

Anyhow, this is the last that I will comment on pantygate, as it was a ridiculous story and needs to be left behind.

[TV Diva Queen]

13 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

Kandi "couldn't" or wouldn't hang with these b!tches! She isn't as pretentious and keeps her "bank" to herself! If it weren't for catering to her mom, buying multiple homes, I might not know she was rolling in it! She's so cheap for the most part, but spoils Mom and kids to death! She doesn't spend enough on herself with pretty bad style until recently! Her make up and clothing have been elevated quite a bit! I didn't like those pics from the Essence shoot though! ;-)

by "hang" I didn't mean it literally... I meant that she has the bank to keep up with these women if she so chooses.  

[LizDC]

3 hours ago, MatildaMoody said:

I was at the grocery store yesterday and JCM's version of "I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus" was on. Please don't tell me that Teddi is the Mellencamp daughter singing at the end, because that would make me feel extremely old! 

That was her!  Released in 1987.

[zoeysmom]

21 minutes ago, Pop Tart said:

This is the thing with Kyle. She has always made Kim her story. How Kim's addiction makes it so hard for her. How she has to take care of Kim or survive Kim or whatever. Going back to season one Kyle has had almost no other story. She was the one to make sure to call Kim an alcoholic at the end of season one. She is the one who talks about all that she does for Kim. And on and on. Other then the one season where she was a bit on the outs with Lisa, what other storyline has she had? Her happy marriage? Her white party? Her taking her daughter to college? Kyle has always relied on being able to play the Kim card for drama.

I did think that this season, since Kim isn't going to make any appearance at all according to reports, I thought Kyle might finally have to come up with a storyline of her own, but here we are in ep. 1 and she's already somehow made Kim the topic of conversation and positioned herself as the victim caught between Harry's anger and Kim's problems. Poor, poor Kyle. She just doesn't know what to do. She's caught in the middle. I'm wondering how she'll manage to make this last all season. And if she doesn't, then what? Just what will Kyle use to show her saint-like qualities?

I am not in any way saying that Kim isn't a very sick individual who has major addiction issues that impact all around her. But Kyle, since the very first season - which reportedly wouldn't have happened for Kyle if she couldn't talk Kim into participating - has always made sure that the world sees how it all relates to her.

Kim is her sister and Kyle landed the gig all on her own there was never a package deal.  Next Tuesday is the RHOBH-Uncensored Season 1 rerun.  It is pretty well set forth how things came about. The biggest deal was Kim was running out of child support and the show was a good way for her to have extra income and get back in the job market.  I don't know of any family members who do not suffer as a result of an addict in the family.  Since Kim's well publicized problems (the arrests), Kyle has asked the others not to discuss her.  Last season was more about Kyle going to Greece, hosting a trip to Mexico, a Great Gatsby party at a beautiful estate, Carnie Wilson party, her stores and her new television show.  The fights, mostly brought on by Rinna and Eden did involve Kim's addiction but it wasn't because Kyle had nothing else going on.  Kim has repeatedly stated she does not want to talk about her sobriety-it did not work for her.  I am not sure what else she is suppose to bring to the table regarding a story line.  Kyle had plenty of drama when Brandi, Yolanda and LVP tried to ice her out  and it had nothing to so with Kim it had to do with LVP feeling as if Kyle did not stick up for her against Adrienne Maloof's assertions LVP blabbed to magazines.

The problem is Harry saying such a thing to Kyle about Kim is bound to have an impact on the tenuous relationship between Rinna and Kyle.  Kyle was not too happy with Rinna last year over her treatment of Kim, Dorit and PK.  Rinna behaved horribly and admitted to the same and then just kept attacking Kim.  So in order for Rinna not to look the ass, Harry tells Kyle-Kim is out of the group?  This is about the stupid rabbit-that Rinna had no business giving Kim's daughter or grandchild to begin with-now that was someone looking for a story line,.

Kyle has plenty going on the problem for the past three seasons is RInna is always starting stuff.  First with Kim and Brandi and then it was Yolanda and LVP and then Dorit, PK and finally Kim.  Rinna knows for these shows to continue someone has to offer to move on and no one has moved on as much as Kyle.  This stunt by Harry may be testing her limits.

[MatildaMoody]

3 minutes ago, LizDC said:

That was her!  Released in 1987.

I guess it's not that bad, since I wasn't even a pre-teen yet, but still. Putting that little child's voice with the adult housewife is very jarring. 

[NeverLate]

4 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

If she did more performances, she'd also get better at it. Maybe learn to dance and be more flexible. Pure vanity project, not serious performer I can take seriously. She wants the accolades without the effort...and don't we all! :)

She was out of shape on DWTS, and all she does on stage is jiggle and twerk.lol

[MatildaMoody]

2 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

But Kyle, since the very first season - which reportedly wouldn't have happened for Kyle if she couldn't talk Kim into participating - has always made sure that the world sees how it all relates to her.

Kyle was the first housewife they approached. The show was built around her and her friends. She is the one who lobbied to get Kim on because she thought it would give her an income and responsibilities. 

 

Edited: I am not sure why it is quoting Zoeysmom and not Poptart. 

Edited December 20, 2017 by MatildaMoody

[Martinigirl]

29 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

PK invested in the property. H e is NOT the sole owner of his house.. 

And an extra FYI....his partner is a known / admitted coke head. 

[TattleTeeny]

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So Erika needs three guys and Dorito needs two girls to get them ready just to go out on the town in Vegas? Vegas!? And why are these ladies dressing like teenagers? Is this a thing for 40-something year old women to do in Beverly Hills? 

Oh, who gives a shit, if you're paying for it, haha! I for one--a very rudimentary makeupper who just wants a damn cat-eye--might enjoy a team of cosmetics experts (though part of the reason I am so rudimentary is a lack of patience...so maybe having to sit still and wait for people to do it for me is not really any better?). But don't go by me; I subscribe to wearing whatever the hell I damn well please because mid-40s = adult who can do what she wants.

Are we really back to "ErICKa"? Yawn.

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Maybe I'm alone, but I DIDN'T think Kyle really freaked out about. Her initial reaction, sure - but that would have been mine too, even with my $50 sugar skull embossed Loungefly purse. But then she was just laughing and pulling stuff out of it; she didn't seem that ruffled. 

And I here with my $25 Loungefly wallet--white with sailor-style Star Wars tattoos!

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I guess it just didn't phase me because I'm an over-reactor. I'm just dramatic, period. I spill one thing in the kitchen and I scream like I just got murdered. Then I laugh 2 seconds later.

Dear god, are we related or something?

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[Fiero425]

2 minutes ago, MatildaMoody said:

Kyle was the first housewife they approached. The show was built around her and her friends. She is the one who lobbied to get Kim on because she thought it would give her an income and responsibilities. 

Guilt! Kim was so used up by her family as a child from what I hear! She was the breadwinner and Kyle should be quite appreciate and feel obligated to do as much as she can for her sister! ;-)

[Boofish]

I'm only on page one of the comments and now I'm completely ashamed and embarrassed I have the same "ugly Herman Munster sneakers" Kyle was wearing. There are super comfy and I get a ton of compliments on them but I don't respond loudly "THEY'RE PRADA" 

I loved the ones Defeat was wearing at the kids music whatever they set up not so obviously to introduce Teddy. I need to go and look those up

After stomping around in heels since 16 (I'm now 50) my feet have finally gotten their revenge and now the clunky platforms and sneakers are all I wear. Thank goodness sneakers and flats are not what they used to be because there was a time I wouldn't be caught in a pair of flats.

Edited December 20, 2017 by Boofish

[lunastartron]

5 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

If the woman managed to put out more than a single song a year, I would believe that America was in love with her. I would even believe that gay America was in love with her if she had a touring schedule that resembled the Drag Race touring schedules, but she doesn't. She'll do 4 - 6 performances a year. They are spaced out so weirdly that it tells me she just keeps all of those back up dancers on staff for half a year because no professional dancer could afford to have a gig that inconsistent, but would likely interfere with getting a regular better gig. And no one without the patience of a saint would up for hiring new dancers for every performance, teaching them the choreography, and refitting every costume.

She'll do a performance in May. Another in June and two more in July. And maybe a final one in August. If she was more serious about this she would have performances every weekend for a month or two as she moves from city to city. This Erika Jayne shtick isn't even close to paying for itself. This is just glamorous Florence Foster Jenkins.

But she's a nine-time Billboard-topping artist! 

12 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

Obviously Erika did not go pantyless just to flirt with PK. Nobody insinuated that she purposely was trying to grab the attention of just PK. 

PK was not the only one who noticed, Kyle saw and commented, not just PK.  So was Kyle a creepy pervert as well?

Fact is, if you are going to not wear panties, and then announce the fact that you are not wearing panties, other people present are going to notice and may comment on that fact in your presence or behind your back. 

I absolutely hate wearing a bra. I find bras very uncomfortable. Despite this I will always wear one in public because I am cognizant of the fact that if I don't wear one, attention will be drawn to my nipples  If I choose not to wear a bra, should I be offended if some husband in my group of friends makes a comment to his wife that my nipples were showing?

Bottom line is that she did not accidentally not wear panties, and people noticed, so she can't be offended that this was noticed.

Anyhow, this is the last that I will comment on pantygate, as it was a ridiculous story and needs to be left behind.

Wait - you're saying that you don't let everyone know "I'm not wearing a bra" and then act like you've been violated after both voluntarily making the decision not to wear a bra and then drawing attention in mixed company to that choice? 

1 hour ago, imjagain said:

Tom isn't new. He knows what his wife is about.  She didn't have this act on the DL. Hell, before the show he was funding her projects. I'm sure he doesn't care. If he cared, I'm sure he wouldn't have never let her be on this show. Yes, I said let because I'm sure he is top dog in that relationship. He calls the shots.

I always assumed Erika was so upset about panty gate last season , was because she didn't want Tom thinking she was coming on trying to flirt with Dorit's husband.  She is half naked or has the the illusion of nakedness on stage but she knows Tom knows that's her act surrounded by gay men. I thought she was scared Tom would be angry at the idea of her trying to entice a straight man.  At least that'show I saw it. Tom and Erika definitely have a unequal relationship and Erika didn't want to disturb what has worked for them for a long time.

But Erika contended that the speculation between PK and Dorit (which didn't even include the rest of the cast, although Eileen actually independently came closest to floating the suggestion among Rinna and Dorot that Erika's flash could have been  "intentional") was so threatening and potentially damaging to her marriage because of what those "close to" Tom might say. 

So a one-time dialogue between the Kemsleys about why Erika would make the choice to forego panties in a skirt that could and did expose her labia is going to impact the opinions of those around Tom more than Erika herself literally saying that she wants her makeup to emphasize her dick-sucking lips? And these mysterious associates of Tom (who, contradictorily, didn't even know about PantyGate until it aired according to her) are magically going to develop deleterious ideas about Erika based on what the Kemsleys say rather than her own commentary that positions her mouth as a tool for fellatio?

[MatildaMoody]

5 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

Guilt! Kim was so used up by her family as a child from what I hear! She was the breadwinner and Kyle should be quite appreciate and feel obligated to do as much as she can for her sister! ;-)

This is actually a false narrative. Kim never financially supported her family. Her earnings were put into trust and she blew them once she was old enough to take control of them. Big Kathy earned a percentage of Kim's money as her manager, but it was never enough to completely finance the family and their lifestyle. Big Kathy financed the family by marrying wealthy men. 

[Happy Camper]

3 hours ago, lunastartron said:

Wait - you're saying that you don't let everyone know "I'm not wearing a bra" and then act like you've been violated after both voluntarily making the decision not to wear a bra and then drawing attention in mixed company to that choice? 

Why yes, that is what I am implying. I cannot imagine that some kind of beast would even dare to mention it. Only the wildly insecure, jealous wife of a man would dare to try to make light of this by presenting me with a bra.

But then again, I would hope that my making a point of having Dick Sucking Lips would go unnoticed. 

The above is meant to be read in sarcasm font. Just to be clear.

Edited December 21, 2017 by Happy Camper

[biakbiak]

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They don't send the other cities to Dubai.  

Melbourne also went to Dubai. 

[lunastartron]

9 minutes ago, MatildaMoody said:

This is actually a false narrative. Kim never financially supported her family. Her earnings were put into trust and she blew them once she was old enough to take control of them. Big Kathy earned a percentage of Kim's money as her manager, but it was never enough to completely finance the family and their lifestyle. Big Kathy financed the family by marrying wealthy men. 

Kyle stole Kim's goddamn house!

[WireWrap]

3 hours ago, gundysgirl said:

She does own it. Someone else noted that it is for sale. Looks like they put it on the market in July, which was when they were filming this episode. The article below has the listing on July 29th, and Rinna's birth day is July 11th. It takes more than a few days to get a home listed, photos taken and prep to get it on the market, so they must have known when they were filming here that they were selling the house. Seems kind of strange to me. 

 

http://homesoftherich.net/2017/07/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-dorit-kemsley-selling-beverly-hills-mansion/

Dorit/PK aren't alone, it has been done before, a HW/husband using the show to help sell their house. 

2 hours ago, imjagain said:

Tom isn't new. He knows what his wife is about.  She didn't have this act on the DL. Hell, before the show he was funding her projects. I'm sure he doesn't care. If he cared, I'm sure he wouldn't have never let her be on this show. Yes, I said let because I'm sure he is top dog in that relationship. He calls the shots.

I always assumed Erika was so upset about panty gate last season , was because she didn't want Tom thinking she was coming on trying to flirt with Dorit's husband.  She is half naked or has the the illusion of nakedness on stage but she knows Tom knows that's her act surrounded by gay men. I thought she was scared Tom would be angry at the idea of her trying to entice a straight man.  At least that'show I saw it. Tom and Erika definitely have a unequal relationship and Erika didn't want to disturb what has worked for them for a long time.

The initial post was said in "sarcasm" IMO because of Erika demanding Dorit/PK apologize to Tom about something he, Tom, knew nothing about. LOL

48 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

A decent number of the SNL cast are Housewives fans--Bobby Moynihan (not part of the cast anymore), Aidy Bryant, and Cecily Strong. Tina Fey created the fake Bravo show "Queen of Jordan" on 30 Rock. She also had Jane Krakowski's character do an Erika Jayne-ish turn on the most recent season of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. She auditions for a Housewives show. She writhes around in skimpy clothing while explaining that her music would be playing in the background when the tape was final. 

My point is that enough of the SNL cast, writers, and those adjacent are familiar enough with the Housewives that they know how to make loving parodies versus straight up mocking. New Wife was mocking.

 

Erika never told Tom about pantygate, but it's pretty clear that Erika and Tom don't have a great arrangement about "Erika Jayne" or Erika's own sexual empowerment.

Tom played videos of Erika gyrating on camera for a major get together for the areas Legal community. Erika never told Tom because he could care less.

20 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

Guilt! Kim was so used up by her family as a child from what I hear! She was the breadwinner and Kyle should be quite appreciate and feel obligated to do as much as she can for her sister! ;-)

Kim was not the bread winner for the family and don't forget, Kyle was also a working child actress. 

18 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

But she's a nine-time Billboard-topping artist! 

Wait - you're saying that you don't let everyone know "I'm not wearing a bra" and then act like you've been violated after both voluntarily making the decision not to wear a bra and then drawing attention in mixed company to that choice? 

But Erika contended that the speculation between PK and Dorit (which didn't even include the rest of the cast, although Eileen actually independently came closest to floating the suggestion among Rinna and Dorot that Erika's flash could have been  "intentional") was so threatening and potentially damaging to her marriage because of what those "close to" Tom might say. 

So a one-time dialogue between the Kemsleys about why Erika would make the choice to forego panties in a skirt that could and did expose her labia is going to impact the opinions of those around Tom more than Erika herself literally saying that she wants her makeup to emphasize her dick-sucking lips? And these mysterious associates of Tom (who, contradictorily, didn't even know about PantyGate until it aired according to her) are magically going to develop deleterious ideas about Erika based on what the Kemsleys say rather than her own commentary that positions her mouth as a tool for fellatio?

Well, Tom did play Erika's video of her suggestively sucking on a large lollypop to his legal community at a party, so I guess he likes her drawn on DSL! LOL

[Jack Terrier]

9 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

Kyle stole Kim's goddamn house!

This will never get old!  :)