S03.E06: Vegas With Some Radish

[MostlyC]

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Lucifer and Ella go to Las Vegas to find Candy after she goes missing; secrets are revealed along the way that could compromise the investigation; Chloe is upset that Lucifer left her on her birthday, so Linda tries to lift her spirits.

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[janeta]

Wow, Chloe is becoming superfluous. 

[Arthur]

Without doing any spoilers, I just have to commend the writers for two extraordinary sequences the last two weeks that join the "Father Frank" episode from Season 1 ("you knew") and the Season ender from season 2 ("Let there be light") with an emotional resonance you don't often see on TV. Lucifer's connection to Charlotte Richards last week in two separate scenes was deeply moving and the scene at the end with Chloe tonight was just beautiful.

Some weeks get kind of buried in the procedurals and other weeks move the plot along ok but every once in a while we get to see characters and emotions that really connect. Everyone seemed to be overacting the first several shows - Lucifer was just too intense, Ella was insane, Chloe seemed pissed at everyone. I was afraid that this season was entering "jump the shark" land but thanks so much for the last two episodes.

All is right with the world.

[DEL901]

Loved the change ups in bonding.  Lucifer and Ella.  Chloe and Dr. Linda (and Dan).  Last scene with Luci and Chloe was sweet.  Liked the Shakespeare thank you note to Lucifer.  And it was nice to see Candi again.

On a side note:  EW is doing Lucifer Recaps this season:  http://ew.com/recap/lucifer-season-3-episode-6/

ETA:  Luci in a red Snuggie, Ella hearing voices and Luci giving Chloe the most Lucifer of gifts for the most Lucifer of reasons.

Edited November 7, 2017 by DEL901

[UNOSEZ]

Ella is something... Dunno what.. But she's something and where the hell is amenadiel? ..i dont ever really care abt Chloe so.. Meh.. I just want angel stuff

[Miss Dee]

I absolutely loved Lucifer's platonic relationships in this episode. Him in a Snuggie eating ice cream dishing with Candy was absolutely sublime. I had no idea there was zero sex with him and Candy when they started. And Ella is like his little sister. He didn't even react to Hot Ella and Hot Candy embracing on the street. Lucifer, bro, you're already lost.

I also adored Chloe in this one - she gets to have a B-plot that is about her and not her police job, which I liked. And the last scene with Lucifer and Chloe - "asleep" and awake - was beautiful. I normally stick to my crackships but I kinda fell for this one with that ending shot.

Ellis really needs to sing more.

[Raja]

59 minutes ago, UNOSEZ said:

Ella is something... Dunno what.. But she's something 

She was going meta over Aimee Garcia's role in the Dennis Quaid 2012 Vegas

[GaT]

They walked right into a crime scene. Ella is a CSI, & she walked right into someone else's crime scene. This season is definitely a let down from previous seasons IMO.

[CheshireCat]

Can we return Chloe and keep Candy?

I absolutely loved this episode. Drunk Dr Linda is fun, although she is always fun, drunk or not. Ella and Lucifer working together was fantastic and I like the chemistry between Candy and Lucifer. Plus, Lucifer was finally allowed to be immortal again and himself, more or less. This episode included all of what I love about this show, fun, lighthearted and with a dash of supernatural.

[flyingdi]

Does anybody else think Chloe should really want to spend her birthday with Trixie?  No?  Just me.  I just thought the whole "But its my birthday" thing was childish.   That's my problem this season, everyone is coming off like 13 year olds in middle school.

[Athena5217]

Dear Santa,

All I want for Christmas is Lucifer in a red Snuggie.

[johntfs]

I kind of want Ella in that rockin' dress at the casino.  Damn, Aimee Garcia cleans up nice.  Also, she's tiny.  I didn't see the first part of the episode, but I assume that Lucifer snuck her into the crime scene by putting her in his shirt pocket and walking her inside.

[Ria]

I thought this episode was awful. This season is quite a letdown so far. First, what was up with Chloe? Who was this person? She was in Dr. Linda's office bobbing and swiveling her head like a mental patient. And not being with Lucifer had her unhinged? Go have cake with your daughter. You're an adult not a college kid. 

Ella was insufferable. She works as a supporting character, not with this much screen time. Now she's a card counting savant, takes over crime scenes, is a perfect shot. Why would Lucifer even agree to take her to Vegas. She was beyond annoying all episode. 

Another episode which does nothing to further the stories of the main characters but serves mostly to spotlight a supporting character, this time Ella. 

[wilnil]

27 minutes ago, Ria said:

Another episode which does nothing to further the stories of the main characters but serves mostly to spotlight a supporting character, this time Ella.

That's literally what it was -- one of the four "standalone" episodes that Fox added to its show order for Season 2 then got rescheduled by the network to run as part of Season 3.

So far, I actually think they're doing a decent job mixing the standalones in with the plot-advancing "real" Season 3 episodes.

[Happy Harpy]

I absolutely loved the last scene. Romantically or not, those two characters care deeply for each other and love deeply each other. Lucifer hasn't been that well-written this whole season, bar his scenes with Charlotte in the previous episode. And when Lucifer is well written, the show is automatically better.

This episode didn't feel as "bottled" as the previous "relocated" one because it shed light on the aftermath of Lucifer's decision to leave back in S2, particularly on Chloe's side and I realized it helped a lot in clearing their relationship this season.

Finally, LINDA!

Chloe/Linda, female characters having screentime and bonding, yay! They're a good match, too. I laughed out loud when they both held the elevator doors. I love it when Chloe lets her guard down and gets crazy. I also liked the writing for her, like how she tried to deal with Lucifer's first disappearance by herself while staying professional, tried to get past her romantic feelings while still valuing his friendship and their partnership, and how she didn't forget to show her appreciation for Linda and Dan's presence.

But yeah, no Trixie? Why?

Although I cringed at the stripper thing, Ella was much better written than in S3.  I love Aimee Garcia (I watched Vegas, she and Carrie-Anne Moss were the best things about it) but I agree that the character is better in small doses. Too much quirky kills the quirky.  I didn't know at first if the cop was going to turn out as the killer or a passing LI for Ella. It was the latter and it was rather cute.

I wonder if Lucifer has a little sister somewhere, whom he used to be close to (not necessarily Azrael, although it could be). It seems to me that his relationship with the female singer in the pilot, Candy, Ella, and even -weirdly- de-Mummed Charlotte all have that same element of platonic protector/confident.

Edited November 7, 2017 by Happy Harpy

[Ria]

50 minutes ago, Happy Harpy said:

absolutely loved the last scene. Romantically or not, those two characters care deeply for each other and love deeply each other. 

But why do they love each other? What makes Chloe interesting to Lucifer? She's smart. But has no personality, unless she's drunk and flaky. She seems to have no interests, hobbies, friends. Why does Chloe love Lucifer? She doesnt believe he's Satan but doesn't think he's a delusional hedonist? Is it soley due to God's intervention? Because other than divine intervention, I can't figure out why Lucifer is wasting his time with this dull person. I hate their relationship and find it the weakest part of the show.

Edited to add: Chloe's obsession with Lucifer even takes precedent over her daughter. She passes out drunk in his apartment instead of going home to her daughter. Did she have cake with Trixie? Did Trixie have a present for her? Did Trixie even get 5 minutes between the party at the police station and her going to Dr. Linda's office? 

Edited November 7, 2017 by Ria

[Commando Cody]

Really, really bad episode.

I must not have been paying attention in the first episode with Candy. For some reason I thought they were only pretending to be married. I guess since Lucifer never lies, it makes sense that they made it legal. 

Pretty predictable though. During the club scene I'm thinking, she's going to take his wallet. He's Lucifer. I'm surprised he didn't figure that one out while she was doing it. I forgot all about Candy. I didn't need an episode with her in it. In the previews when they said Candy was missing, I wondered who Candy was. I hope we are now done with this storyline. 

I don't understand how Lucifer and Ella could just walk into a crime scene.  

I did like how Lucifer just rolled with it when he walked into his apartment. His only lament was that he must have missed a really good party. Odd that the only thing in the safe was a birthday gift - something that didn't even need to be in the safe, except that it wouldn't get lost there.  I thought the combo to the safe was going to be Chloe's birth date. 

[johntfs]

26 minutes ago, Commando Cody said:

I thought the combo to the safe was going to be Chloe's birth date. 

I thought it might be 7734 (if you put that in a calculator and turn it upside down it spells "hell") but I liked the guesses of 666 and 8008 (It spells "BOOB").  I thought it was nice to see Chloe as a "Bad Mom" and just figured that maybe Trixie was staying at a friend's house or something.  We know not every character will be in every episode. 

I liked Ella and Lucifer together and I have to admit the bit with Ella and the "voices" is really interesting.  Those times in Season 3 where people have been commenting about Ella's behavior being out of character might have been manifestations of schizoaffective disorder and actually very much in character.  I think it'd be cool if that were the case.  I'd like it if Ella were an example of a person dealing mostly well with a mental illness in a way that it didn't make a "dangerous nutsoid" or give her "superpowers" like on Perception.

Edited November 7, 2017 by johntfs

[Gummo]

Easily the best episode of the season so far -- which is why I'm a little disappointed to find that it's the second holdover episode from season 2. Makes me a little nervous for the rest of season 3 if the holdovers are consistently better than the new eps.

Forget Lucifer & Chloe, let's make this the Lucifer & Ella Show! Their chemistry was wonderful and didn't feel forced at all. I love how the 2 characters accept each other's quirks with nary a raised eyebrow. Everything about their relationship in this episode worked for me, and I love the glimpses into Ella's checkered past.

The B story - Chloe's birthday - was alternately funny, grating, and very sweet. Chloe's been such a nonentity lately, it was great to see her let loose and be stupid. Even fictional characters need that now and then! Add Dr. Linda and ever-faithful Dan and it was a nice counterpoint to the main story.

Ah, the main story -- I'm enjoying how the show is tying up loose ends. Last week we got a look at Charlotte's ruined life (thanks, Mom!) and this week we got the backstory AND the front story on the Candy episode -- which turned out to be a lot more interesting than her original appearance. I wonder if Lucifer will ever put it together that he has his best relationships with women he doesn't sleep with (outside of Dr. Linda, that is). And for once, the mystery was actually a mystery -- I only figured out it was the bartender about 20 seconds before the reveal.

If I read the credits correctly, this episode was written and directed by women -- if so, can we continue to get women-only crews writing and directing Lucifer? They "get" this show.

[theatremouse]

10 hours ago, Miss Dee said:

I had no idea there was zero sex with him and Candy when they started.

I figured this was probably the case given they said they were, I thought, going for an annulment, rather than a divorce. Never consummating is a good way to get an annulment. (I'm oversimplifying, but in TV-logic the one foreshadows the other)

2 hours ago, Ria said:

But why do they love each other? What makes Chloe interesting to Lucifer? She's smart. But has no personality, unless she's drunk and flaky. She seems to have no interests, hobbies, friends. Why does Chloe love Lucifer? She doesnt believe he's Satan but doesn't think he's a delusional hedonist? Is it soley due to God's intervention? Because other than divine intervention, I can't figure out why Lucifer is wasting his time with this dull person. I hate their relationship and find it the weakest part of the show.

There have been a few studies that suggest simply being around someone a lot makes this more likely. It doesn't happen all the time or with everyone, but in their case being together so frequently in high danger situations creates a closeness. That coupled with any level of attraction and that's all it takes. They don't really need more logical reasons to get attached.

[Happy Harpy]

2 hours ago, Ria said:

But why do they love each other? What makes Chloe interesting to Lucifer? She's smart. But has no personality, unless she's drunk and flaky. She seems to have no interests, hobbies, friends. Why does Chloe love Lucifer? She doesnt believe he's Satan but doesn't think he's a delusional hedonist? Is it soley due to God's intervention? Because other than divine intervention, I can't figure out why Lucifer is wasting his time with this dull person. I hate their relationship and find it the weakest part of the show.

Edited to add: Chloe's obsession with Lucifer even takes precedent over her daughter. She passes out drunk in his apartment instead of going home to her daughter. Did she have cake with Trixie? Did Trixie have a present for her? Did Trixie even get 5 minutes between the party at the police station and her going to Dr. Linda's office? 

Why did Romeo love Juliette?  Love doesn't need a reason.

Why does Chloe love Lucifer? I suspect that she does for the same reasons the viewers who love him do. Just like I suspect that he loves Chloe for the same reasons the viewers who love her do. I also suspect that there must be pages and pages of essays about how and why on Tumblr & Co.

With all the dysfunctional couples on TV who treat each other like crap or fall in the "abusive" category *cough* Vampire Diaries, Gossip Girl, Scandal etc.*cough* I'm a bit surprised to see that particular question asked about Lucifer and Chloe, who developed over three seasons a relationship based on trust and respect, and have always showed a strong need to protect and look after each other.

Among many other instances, Chloe saw Lucifer risk his life to save her and her daughter. He saw Chloe give up on a chance to put her father's murderer in jail, because she refused to call Lucifer a liar and ridicule him in public. Those are pretty big reasons to like or love  someone you got to know and appreciate over the course of the years.

As for Chloe, I happen to think that she's an interesting character. She's no-nonsense but also has an open mind, she's able to accept what she doesn't understand for the "greater good" or just because it's important to someone she loves. She's a cop who actually believes in justice and in the system, not  only for others but for herself:  She doesn't enforce the law only to have her way with it whenever it suits her. When she makes a mistake (like following her father's assassin) it comes back to bit her in the ass, and she accepts it like an adult.  It isn't easy at all, and every episode I cross my fingers so that she sticks to her principles, so it involves me. She had enough willpower to endure her whole precinct giving her the cold shoulder but she wasn't immune to it either; she's also a woman in a men's world, so she can't allow herself to show any weakness because she'd be deemed incompetent or unprofessional. It makes her relatable  in my eyes. It also explains (as well as her mother's personality) why she's guarded and how sometimes she has a hard time to deal with all those emotions, like in this episode.  She has qualities and flaws. She isn't naive, but if she sees someone's suffering or good side, like she did with Charlotte, she's ready to give them a chance or the benefit of the doubt. She's no Mary Sunshine, but she's there for people around her when they need it, and when they need her. She's the "straight man" to Lucifer, and sometimes it's an ungrateful role. But I, for one, believe that many "straight man"-type male leads in procedural don't have half of her depth.

Maybe Lucifer finds her interesting because of those reasons. Or maybe he just loves her because he can offer her a weird present with the most outrageous line, and instead of being disappointed or offended she laughs and sincerely thanks him for it, because she gets it and she gets him.

About Trixie, it's pretty obvious that she unfortunately belongs to the revolving supporting cast this season, moreso than the previous ones.  Chloe has always put Trixie first, it was onscreen, and I seem to remember that in S1, it was said or heavily implied that she didn't have a life precisely because of it ; so her absence in this episode = bad writing. Oh, and Trixie's father happened to be at Lucifer's and passed out, too, but of course only the mother is to blame.

Just in case, I'm not trying to convince you. You don't like Chloe, it's your right. You don't like Lucifer with her because you don't like her, it's your right.

33 minutes ago, Gummo said:

If I read the credits correctly, this episode was written and directed by women -- if so, can we continue to get women-only crews writing and directing Lucifer? They "get" this show.

Couldn't agree more. Where can I sign for this?

Edited November 7, 2017 by Happy Harpy

[Bruinsfan]

A deep-seated sense of justice is one thing Lucifer and Chloe have in common, and since it's a foundational principle that both their careers and their main interaction with each other revolve around, it makes sense that it would draw them to one another. From Chloe's perspective, having your daughter absolutely adore a man who's romantically interested in you is no small thing. From Lucifer's perspective, Chloe is someone he actually has to work to win over rather than having her swoon over him immediately thanks to supernatural magnetism; I'm sure that challenge helps make her respect and affection seem more appealing.

[Raja]

5 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

 

Speaking of Maze, why the hell isn't she on the show more often.  More Amenadiel too, please.

This was filmed during her maternity leave if the previous post about this being from last season but suspended until this season 

[storyskip]

I liked a lot of this episode.

I actually enjoyed Lucifer and Ella working together and count me as interested in what the "voices" comment may mean in the future.  I'm engaged enough by Ella and by her fairly unique relationship (very little sister-like with shades of Father Frank) with Lucifer to want to see how that plays out.

Personal I really enjoy the character of Candy.  When she was first on the screen I cringed, but when the episode played out to the end and we saw what a masterful job she'd done in her "role" I was hooked.  I would trade Candy for Chloe in a heart-beat, I find her infinitely more interesting and with more depth than I do Chloe and that's off just 2 episodes.  She is quick witted, genuinely kind, I am interested in her determination to make her father's club work, vs just selling out for the land and money.  I would watch a show where that struggle was a storyline.  Have Lucifer helping out without using supernatural gifts, just being himself?  Sign me on!

I agree that Chloe's constant "But it's my birthday" spiel got old so quick.  I don't know if it was LG's delivery of the line or what, but I agree with everybody who has already said it made her sound like a child and really raised the question of why the heck wasn't she spending time with Trixie or her other friends.   I totally understand that this episode was during Lesley's maternity leave and Ella was off with Lucifer, so we couldn't have another "girls night out" type situation, but Linda was there, and Dan and Trixie.  You would think a functioning adult could enjoy a nice birthday dinner with friends?

I guess we were supposed to hook into the theme of "oh not the last time Lucifer took off to Vegas I thought my best friend was gone for good" vibe, but either the writing or the acting didn't sell that enough.  The "But it's my birthday" whine seemed to take front and center.

Aside from that, Chloe, Linda and Dan were amusing.  Dan has so grown on me as a character and I'm willing to give the writers' full creative license about the whole trying to break into the safe gag.  Yeah it made no sense but Lucifer himself makes no sense, so shine on with those drill bits and spackal guys!

I did like the Chloe and Lucifer hug at the end of the episode, I agree that was sweet and I wonder if that whole exchange (which seemed a little odd until I thought about it), combined with showing Lucifer being platonic "big brother" with Candy and Ella, was a way to put the Lucifer and Chloe UST to rest, at least for a bit?

Personally I would be okay with that.  I've always felt that Chloe and Lucifer as FRIENDS works better than trying to make them romantic TWU LUV.  You just cannot sell me on Lucifer, a being older than time itself, as being a smitten teenager over a mortal, any mortal.  He SHOULD be a "big brother" to these mortals in his life and though Ellis can have smoking chemistry with the set dressing, he can also do this platonic enjoyment of and pleasure in his friends just as beautifully.

Edited November 7, 2017 by storyskip

[Writing Wrongs]

10 hours ago, flyingdi said:

I just thought the whole "But its my birthday" thing was childish.

So did I. Her trying to break into Lucifer's safe annoyed me.

And I was wondering who was with Trixie the whole time.

[ProudMary]

From the shallow end of the pool:

Lauren Holly has become unrecognizable!  I only realized it was her from her voice.

[CheshireCat]

11 hours ago, flyingdi said:

Does anybody else think Chloe should really want to spend her birthday with Trixie?  No?  Just me.  I just thought the whole "But its my birthday" thing was childish.   That's my problem this season, everyone is coming off like 13 year olds in middle school.

I think Lucifer came off like a 13 year old in middle school from the start and that's part of his charm but not with the others. But this was an episode from last season, wasn't it? Since that was so shortly after Chloe and Lucifer's dabble in a relationship, Chloe's whining makes a little more sense than it would have had it been an episode from this season.

[Gigi43]

I know they filmed this last year but they should have kept these episodes more in mind when making season 3. Chloe seemed to not even notice Lucifer disappeared between his call to her in the season finale and when he "came back" from his devil-napping. So suddenly being so upset he "took off" on her birthday seemed like a step backwards. She was also immature keep bringing it up on a level I just don't believe from her, especially because she does have a daughter (and a mom who is sometimes around) I don't think she'd expect her entire birthday plans to revolve around Lucifer. Also, even drunk I don't believe Linda would be into breaking into Lucifer's safe, unless somehow she knew what was in there and knew he wouldn't really care. She's the one person who knows he's the devil. She saw he had severed wings in his closet (again, they made this episode before I know, but this is the aired timeline), it would be reasonable for Linda to believe Lucifer had "celestial stuff" in a secret safe and therefor no, she would not be taking part in hijinks to open it with people who do not know the truth. Was the ugly painting covering the safe the one he had to buy in Good Day To Die?? He put it in his room?

 

However, the cast works so well together, I didn't completely hate the story. I liked Chloe's Lucifer impersonation, I liked Chloe and Linda having fun. Dan and the drill was funny (actually, any Person Of Interest fans around? Dan and the drill immediately made me think of when Reese pulled out a giant drill to open the Machine's case after the hammer and screwdriver failed.)

 

I liked the Vegas stuff. I can believe Ella being a card counter (I could be wrong but I thought if you don't use any sort of devices you can't legally get in trouble for counting cards so I don't think the pit boss could have contacted Ella's boss ?) I liked Candy the first time and I liked her this time. I loved the flashback to ice cream and a pink snuggie (over his suit!) The case wasn't obvious and we got immortal Luci! Over all a good trip.

 

The gift was appropriate, sentimental, but with penetration jokes.

 

 

Maze is in the preview for next week!

17 minutes ago, ProudMary said:

From the shallow end of the pool:

Lauren Holly has become unrecognizable!  I only realized it was her from her voice.

Yeah, maybe she and Rebecca DeMornay got a 2 faces for 1 deal.

Edited November 7, 2017 by Gigi43

[Zipper]

The Vegas side of this story was fun!  I really enjoyed Candi last season, and think it was smart to bring her back as the center of one of the stand-alone eps.  Gives us a little more detail from Luci's perspective, too, which is always good.

Also agree that Ella's use was, while great in the actress's execution, one of the times I get a little frustrated with a secondary/tertiary character getting so much time.  Then again, if Chloe's whole schtick this week was denial, pouting, and only a drunken realization of her suppressed feelings about Luci?  Bring on more Ella.  Seriously, I like Chloe most of the time (she can bug, but she's got enough good things going on that she's an overall strong positive), and I get that birthdays can be hard-- but she's a grown ass woman who got weepy because she had failed to process her own feelings?  About a dude (talented, fun, sexy fox of a dude but STILL) she sees all of the damn time?  I want my Chloe better than that.  We could have had all of her same realizations, the same party, the same hijinks, as well as the beautiful scene at the end between our leads if the writers/director had give her some saltiness instead of that cloying self-pity.  Give my girl some balls already.

Dr. Linda rocks, and Rachel Harris has the perfect... well, but... delivery.  And, I appreciate that they've given her another point of connection with the cast (beyond Luci and Maze) so maybe we get to see more of Linda.

I was OK without Trixie, although it seems odd for this mother to bemoan her birthday fate without even a throw-away about Trixie being at camp or a lock-in or something.  Lord, when there is no Maze and no Amenadude, the show feels really different, and not in a good way.

[storyskip]

32 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

I liked the Vegas stuff. I can believe Ella being a card counter (I could be wrong but I thought if you don't use any sort of devices you can't legally get in trouble for counting cards so I don't think the pit boss could have contacted Ella's boss ?)

Card counting is legal but casinos hate it and will ban players who indulge.

My take on the Ella situation is she was banned from that casino so going into it was the basis of the no-no and the threat from the pit boss to call Ella's supervisors.  "Hey police people who are sworn to uphold the law.  Your employee who is banned from our property, is aware she's banned, just snuck back in and is up to the tricks that got her banned.  Thought you law and order types might like to know."

[Arthur]

It kinda flew under the radar but Candy knows Lucifer really is the devil since she saw him shot several times. Did Ella?

[rainsmom]

1 hour ago, Arthur said:

It kinda flew under the radar but Candy knows Lucifer really is the devil since she saw him shot several times. Did Ella?

I would assume, actually, that neither saw it -- that they were both hiding backstage.

[Helena Dax]

I think I'm too deep in the "Chloe must find out the truth about Lucifer asap" to really enjoy this kind of episodes, but it had some fun parts. Loved the drunk party at Lucifer's, although I'm one of those who find difficult to believe that Linda would be okay with breaking into Luci's safe. Or, you know, the cops who know that's illegal. But well, they were drunk and they probably thought that Lucifer didn't mind... and they were right about that. His reaction when he got home was the best part of the episode. And that last shot was beautiful, she in white, he in black. Symbolic, I guess.

So Ella sometimes hears voices... There can be a natural explanation for that, but there can be a supernatural one too. With this show, you never know. Anyway, she's still my least favourite character.

This episode didn't do Chloe any favours, but I still like her. She's a good person. She's aware that she's a bit dull too. I think she feels she has to be dull, serious, restrained.: her old movie, the way the other cops used to treat her... But I wonder if that's the real Chloe. And that's one of the reasons I want her to find out the truth about Lucifer and herself. After the initial shock, wouldn't something like this change the way you see yourself and the world around you? And I don't mean huge changes, but for example, wouldn't Lucifer and his antics be easier to understand if she knew he's really the devil himself? She's flying blind, right now. 

This show is a fun police procedural. I just think it can't be that forever. 

[CheshireCat]

22 minutes ago, Helena Dax said:

I think I'm too deep in the "Chloe must find out the truth about Lucifer asap" to really enjoy this kind of episodes, but it had some fun parts.

That reminds me: I SO wanted them to open that safe and find something that gives a hint about Lucifer not lying (and that Dr Linda would have known what it was about, maybe)

 

22 minutes ago, Helena Dax said:

So Ella sometimes hears voices... There can be a natural explanation for that, but there can be a supernatural one too. With this show, you never know. Anyway, she's still my least favourite character.

Some people do claim that God talks to them. I wondered about it when they mentioned it but then forgot about it again. But it's one of the reasons why I liked the Ella-Lucifer pairing because Ella is a believer and Lucifer is the Devil and it would be fun to pair them up more open because there's so much to explore. I would have loved for them to explore Ella witnessing Lucifer doing "his thing" with the woman at the Casino. It was the first time that Ella was witness to it, wasn't she?

 

22 minutes ago, Helena Dax said:

This episode didn't do Chloe any favours, but I still like her. She's a good person. She's aware that she's a bit dull too. I think she feels she has to be dull, serious, restrained.: her old movie, the way the other cops used to treat her... But I wonder if that's the real Chloe. And that's one of the reasons I want her to find out the truth about Lucifer and herself. After the initial shock, wouldn't something like this change the way you see yourself and the world around you? And I don't mean huge changes, but for example, wouldn't Lucifer and his antics be easier to understand if she knew he's really the devil himself? She's flying blind, right now. 

Why would that change who Chloe is?

I think what it would was scare me to death then I'd need therapy because I'd feel tremendous responsibility to have been a child God wanted to be born and then I'd probably be back to my old self because it's who I am. Chloe is who she is at the core. I don't think she would suddenly like partying and going out more often because she's a God given child.

[tennisgurl]

First of all, Chloe going on about her birthday was extremely funny to me because today just happens to be MY birthday, and its when I could finally catch the episode! No strippers though, and I didn't try to drunkenly break into my friends safe, so not quite the same kind of day, but I still have a few hours, so who knows :) 

I thought it was a pretty good episode. Everyone was in character (more or less) and I enjoyed seeing Candy again, and her friendship with Lucifer. You know, I think that, despite Tom Ellis having smoking hot chemistry with anyone who crosses his path, Lucifer's platonic relationships are much more interesting than his possible romance with Chloe. His big brother relationship with Ella, his grudging friendship with Dan, his complicated relationship with his mom, his sibling rivalry/affecting with Amenadiel, and his long history with Maze. To me, those are a lot more interesting. 

That being said, I did really like the scene with Lucifer and Chloe at the end. You can really see how much they care about each other, even though they have some unresolved issues. I also did like that they're dealing with some issues from last season, and I especially like getting more context on Lucifer's feelings towards Chloe. He didn't just run off on her because he was pissed that dad was playing cosmic match maker (although that certainly a part of it) , but also because he thought that she only liked Lucifer because she was created to, and her feelings weren't real. 

I liked Ella this week, even if I do generally like her in smaller doses. She and Lucifer are fun together, and I enjoyed getting some backstory. Also, she hears voices? She sounded nervous admitting it, so I think she meant literal voices, and not just hearing God or something. Maybe she has some mental illness? Or maybe she is some kind of prophet? Or both? She also looked smokin hot this week! 

I found Chloe a bit childlike this episode (with all her moping) but I do like her more when she`s having fun then when she`s just playing straight man to Lucifer. And I loved seeing her, Dan, and Linda all hanging out, and how Chloe did admit that she was happy to hang out with Linda and Dan (the best ex husband ever). And when Lucifer got back and found his friends passed out around his apartment, his reaction was just basically "Damn, I missed the party". 

[enoughcats]

Twerking in the police department.  That was overdone and not necessary. 

OK, we all know this is fiction.  But any suggestion that Chloe's behaviour after the appearance / emergence of her present would be anything but a career squelching dance just isn't realistic. 

[Helena Dax]

16 minutes ago, CheshireCat said:

Why would that change who Chloe is?

I think what it would was scare me to death then I'd need therapy because I'd feel tremendous responsibility to have been a child God wanted to be born and then I'd probably be back to my old self because it's who I am. Chloe is who she is at the core. I don't think she would suddenly like partying and going out more often because she's a God given child.

No, I don't think she'd start partying either. That isn't the kind of change I'm talking about.. But there's a difference between "I'm a regular human who doesn't believe in God" and "I'm a God given child whose fate may or may not be connected with the Lord of Hell". Is the Chloe we know the real Chloe if she doesn't know the whole (mindblowing) truth about herself? I don't know, I think we'll see a slightly different Chloe, maybe a bit more comfortable in her own skin.

[thuganomics85]

Between that gold dress and the showgirl outfit, someone decided that this was going to be the episode to show Aimee Garcia off.  Not that I'm complaining: she's got one hell of a body underneath all of her hipster forensic outfits!

Fun episode, even though I could tell that it was a season two holdover.  Loved seeing Candy again and seeing how she and Lucifer actually met.  I really wouldn't be opposed to her popping back in from time to time.  The Lucifer/Ella partnership was fun and they left a nice little tidbit about there being more to her then meets the eye (she can hear voices?)  Case wise, once we knew the killer wasn't Lauren Holly, I figured it could only be someone we already met, which pretty much left the bartender and the cop as the only possible suspects, so the ending wasn't too surprising, but still fun.

The stuff with Chloe was a bit annoying though.  I certainly understand why she was frustrated over Lucifer leaving on her birthday and I can even hand-wave her and Linda partying it up in his loft as typical television wackiness (and I figured that Lucifer would actually get a kick out of it), but them trying to break into his safe didn't sit right by me.  Even if Lucifer has been more then willing to bend the rules or do shady things, I can't see Chloe crossing a boundary like that, no matter how drunk she is.  Dan too, unless that was just to get back at Lucifer for all the snark and insults.  Still, there were a few funny moments, so I'm not going to get too bent out of shape over it.

Lucifer giving Chloe a necklace with the bullet she shot him with was actually pretty touching.

Also, we get confirmation that Lucifer did in fact torture Hitler in Hell and he's apparently a screamer!

[johntfs]

On 11/7/2017 at 9:26 PM, thuganomics85 said:

she's got one hell of a body underneath all of her hipster forensic outfits!

Speaking of hipster forensic outfits, I floved her "Heavy Metal" T-shirt.

 

On 11/7/2017 at 2:12 PM, storyskip said:

Card counting is legal but casinos hate it and will ban players who indulge.

My take on the Ella situation is she was banned from that casino so going into it was the basis of the no-no and the threat from the pit boss to call Ella's supervisors.  "Hey police people who are sworn to uphold the law.  Your employee who is banned from our property, is aware she's banned, just snuck back in and is up to the tricks that got her banned.  Thought you law and order types might like to know."

That's part of it but the other part comes from a place of "Caeser's wife must be beyong reproach."  Ella is a forensic scientist.  She processes evidence and has to testify about that evidence in court.  Her credibility is critically important.  If a casino proves she's counting cards, which isn't illegal but is unethical and that she's violating a ban, it throws her credibility into question and that makes her worse than useless in her job.  Not only will the "cheating" CSI be undermine cases in court, she can't process evidence because she might "taint" it get evidence tossed or ignored, resulting in lost convictions.

Edited November 9, 2017 by johntfs

[Zipper]

OOOOH....I forgot, I adore a man who brings spackle with a drill.  Love you, Dan!! 

[Rushmoras]

In my opinion, two yawn inducing series in a row. No banter, no name calling, no Lucifer intimidating others... just... I don't know, like he took vacation from being his normal self. Just... it's not normal. Maze and Amendude should return pronto or the series should focus on who is the Sinnerman at least.

[MsTree]

23 hours ago, Ria said:

Ella ...works as a supporting character

IF she's a supporting character, where is it written that she must remain a supporting character??  I see the core group as an ensemble, and I'm guessing the writers feel that way too.

I absolutely loved Ella & Luci in this episode and hope we get to see much more of them together.

[dippydee]

I liked this episode. I enjoyed the change up in pairings. Lucifer and Ella were entertaining together and I am intrigued by her voices. Chloe, Dr Linda and Dan were also great getting drunk together.

I’m going to assume Maze took Trixie on a bounty hunting job and that’s why nobody’s watching Trixie.

[Delphi]

I'm not too bothered by the lack of Trixie, honestly if I was A single parent I would hire a babysitter for my kid so I could have a night on the town and then celebrate with my kid later. 

[welnoc]

On 11/7/2017 at 7:53 AM, Ria said:

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Edited to add: Chloe's obsession with Lucifer even takes precedent over her daughter. She passes out drunk in his apartment instead of going home to her daughter. Did she have cake with Trixie? Did Trixie have a present for her? Did Trixie even get 5 minutes between the party at the police station and her going to Dr. Linda's office? 

Why are you assuming that because we didn't see any Trixie/Chloe birthday celebrating that it didn't happen?  Trixie and Chloe are not still attached by umbilical chord and parents are allowed to have idenities outside of parenthood. Frankly, I couldn't care less that Trixie isn't there.

They have only 44 minutes of screen time to tell a story, for pity's sake.

Did anyone think that perhaps Ella's manic behaviour this season is as a result of the "voices" becoming louder after her closer encounter with Lucifer? Despite it being a standalone episode, it could have been intended as an introduction to Ella's "otherness" and would also help to explain her card sharping and sharp shooting and her general insoucianse. I'm probably reaching here but that's what jumped to mind when she mentioned the voices.

Edited November 8, 2017 by welnoc

[Bruinsfan]

11 hours ago, johntfs said:

If a casino proves she's counting cards, which isn't illegal but is unethical and that she's violating a ban, it throws her credibility into question and that makes her worse than useful in her job.

Isn't card counting basically just having good recall and a head for probabilities, making one a good card player? I don't think using one's brain in a game of chance is unethical regardless of how unhappy the Casino might be about losing money they've staked openly, though returning to the premises after they've banned you (exercising their right to refuse service) is.

[johntfs]

2 hours ago, Bruinsfan said:

Isn't card counting basically just having good recall and a head for probabilities, making one a good card player? I don't think using one's brain in a game of chance is unethical regardless of how unhappy the Casino might be about losing money they've staked openly, though returning to the premises after they've banned you (exercising their right to refuse service) is.

It's still against casino rules and as such considered to be a form of cheating.  If Ella "cheats" at cards, maybe she cheats the evidence.  The very last thing any police department wants is a CSI with a reputation (deserved or not) for being in any way shady or hinky.  That's how trials get lost.

[theatremouse]

I just can't get on board with the notion that mint chocolate chip and white wine would ever be a good pairing.

[sinkwriter]

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Perhaps it is just me, but I was more than a bit pissed that they tried to break into Lucifer's safe.

Most of the episode was pretty entertaining, but that was the part that bugged me. Not necessarily that they tried to get into the safe at all, but that they kept at it to the point of destruction of Lucifer's property. I mean, I can see Chloe and Linda trying something out of drunken curiosity, but once they couldn't crack it by guessing passcodes, I expected them to give up and move on to a different thing, like raiding his closet, etc. So when Dan brought out the drill, I was annoyed because that goes way beyond goofing around and gets into actual criminal behavior and destruction of property. Hello?! They're cops! What the hell are they doing??

Side note: I'm curious where they're going to go with the part about Ella hearing voices. Is it illness, or is she hearing voices of angels or prophets, or the voice of God?

[ProudMary]

About Ella hearing voices, Lucifer seemed very interested.  My mind first went to "No, Harry. Even in the wizarding world, hearing voices isn't a good sign."  :-D
So it made me wonder, what might it mean in the supernatural or celestial world?