S03.E04: What would Lucifer Do?

[MostlyC]

Remember, the show airs in Canada on Sundays so the forum opens then.

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Lucifer and Chloe venture into the world of high-end reform programs to find a killer. Amenadiel adjusts to his lifestyle in an attempt to help Lucifer; Chloe questions Pierce's feelings towards her.

 

considers starting an Etsy account making sterling silver WWLD bracelets....

[johntfs]

3 hours ago, MostlyC said:

 

considers starting an Etsy account making sterling silver WWLD bracelets....

I would totally buy one of those from you.

[CaptainTightpants]

Child laden cesspool is pretty much exactly how I feel about Chuck e Cheese and all of those places! My skin tried to crawl off of my body at the thought of having sex in the petri dish of germs that is the ball pit. 

On 16/10/2017 at 9:21 PM, MostlyC said:

considers starting an Etsy account making sterling silver WWLD bracelets....

They should totally read, "WWLD......Burn Brighter!". I actually found his advice to Maze to be inspirational as shit last week!

Edited October 23, 2017 by CaptainTightpants

[CaptainTightpants]

Big, big episode for Lucy and Amy interactions. I'm really glad that Amy didn't fall for Lucy's diatribe at the end. He has become an excellent big brother. I am not thrilled with Lucy being on the downward spiral emotionally. Tom Ellis is totally pulling it off, but I hate to see him in pain and also lashing out at those closest to him. 

[CaptainTightpants]

New lieutenant continues to be unimpressive. I think they are trying to show chemistry between him and Chloe but it is just falling flat for me.

I also thought it was super shitty of Chloe to be smug about Dan getting the union rep assignment. Dan has become one of my favorites and it is disheartening to see him become everybody's punching bag. He is a good cop, and great dad and an exemplary ex-husband. There has to be a better way to write scenes of Chloe and the new guy (I refuse to learn his name) bonding than the two of them being shitty about Dan. 

Edited October 23, 2017 by CaptainTightpants

[jewel21]

I really felt for Amenadiel in this episode. Him trying to be like Lucifer, failing miserably, Lucifer being a dick to him at the end, etc. I did like that Dan bailed him out and they drank and bonded. I'm enjoying their relationship together.

And I agree about Dan. He needs to be treated better. He doesn't deserve to be put down either.

And, while Detective Douche was hilarious, I'm glad Lucifer is referring to Dan as Daniel now. At least Lucifer is showing him a bit of respect.

[ProudMary]

I'm in the US and won't see this episode until tonight, but am I correct in assuming that this is NOT another of the stand alone episodes?  It sounds as if it's back in the show's regular timeline.

[DEL901]

Definitely not a stand alone, which means no Trixie or Maze.  But I also missed seeing Dr. Linda.

[paulvdb]

This week and next week are new episodes that were filmed for season 3. November 6 is the next of the stand alone episodes that were left over from season 2.

[Happy Harpy]

Easily the worst episode of the whole series for me.

There were good things. I'm a sucker for Protective!Vengeful! Lucifer. He was hilarious, infuriating and endearing at once when trying to prove he didn't change. Amenadiel & Lucifer were fantastic, Amenadiel's WWLD was truly funny (I laughed out loud when he tried to smile), Dan & Amenadiel had a nice scene. 

And, female characters?

What female characters?

No Maze, no Trixie, no Linda, Chloe and her opinions dismissed by her boss for at least half of the episode, Ella purely unwatchable but in a strict case-related info-dump role. Was I talking about the show getting a man man's world vibe last week? Now it's more than a vibe. Non-procedural interactions limited to male characters, and no way this episode passes the Bechdel test since, top of the worst: Chloe worrying that her boss is out to get her had Ella answering "he's so hot for you guuuuurl". W.T.F. ?

So yeah, I blame Lieutenant Jackass and the writers' shoehorning this character where he didn't belong (did the writing team change?). His last humiliation of Dan, who isn't even aware it is one, and Chloe's completely OOC reaction in order to pretend she bonded with/accepted Jackass, sealed the deal for me. Until now, he was a mild annoyance, now he's ruining my show and the characters I love. They can shove their reveal that no, he isn't a sexist jerk after all, their reducing Ella to a mouthpiece singing his praises, their giving him Lucifer's storyline from the pilot (getting hurt saving Chloe) I hate him and I want him gone and I want my S2 Lucifer back. There's already a jerk with a heart of gold on the show, his name is Lucifer and he's played by a much better actor.  Why add a humorless version and why waste time and characters on that wet blanket?

I miss Charlotte. She was fun. She didn't affect the balance of the show. She didn't change Lucifer into a CBS-like drama where female characters are a second thought.

Edited October 23, 2017 by Happy Harpy

[Jacks-Son]

This episode left me slightly depressed about how Lucifer is being portrayed now. His insistence that people don't change was getting a little tiresome.  Lucifer is ignoring all of the evidence that those around him have changed and even he himself has changed. He seems to have fixed beliefs that don't allow for any introspection even though he realized that Amenadude was right that Luci was angry that Pierce was there to save Chloe while he was off keeping his promise with Lexy.

I don't know how Lucifer could have arranged that Pot growing business without the head of the school knowing about it. That didn't make much sense. Chloe arresting just the one girl, when everyone else was complicit was a little ridiculous.

Ella's antics and pantomimes were also silly. 

[Happy Harpy]

29 minutes ago, Jacks-Son said:

This episode left me slightly depressed about how Lucifer is being portrayed now. His insistence that people don't change was getting a little tiresome.  Lucifer is ignoring all of the evidence that those around him have changed and even he himself has changed. He seems to have fixed beliefs that don't allow for any introspection even though he realized that Amenadude was right that Luci was angry that Pierce was there to save Chloe while he was off keeping his promise with Lexy.

That's where he would have needed Chloe. I can't believe they didn't have a follow-up scene about what happened. Not that I didn't love Lucifer's interaction with Amenadiel but imo Chloe is his emotional sounding board, the way Linda is his psychological sounding board, and Maze his "reality checker".  All those characters are important in a unique way for Lucifer's balance, the character and the show. Neither are at their best without them.

But it was more important to have yet another scene of Jackass being a dick to Dan instead, it seems. 

[Mabinogia]

Wait, no Linda, Maze or Trixie? What the fuck is the point? lol 

[Jacks-Son]

1 hour ago, Mabinogia said:

Wait, no Linda, Maze or Trixie? What the fuck is the point? lol 

This is going to be an interesting test for the fans of the show. I love the show "Lucifer" and I will stick with this show for the long haul. Both Maze and Trixie are absent. I think Linda is in one small scene discussing Luci's fixation with his belief that nobody changes. Mostly, it's Lucifer acting like a self-obssessed observer; Amendedude trying to act like Lucifer; Dan being constantly berated by Pierce; Ella acting OTT AGAIN!; and Chloe worrying about her relationship with Pierce. It ain't pretty, IMHO.

[Mabinogia]

I'm gonna wait until I'm bored to catch up on this one. Maybe I'll just rewatch last weeks ep. lol

[Jacks-Son]

YMMV, you might like the episode.

[janeta]

No, there is no vibe, and the Lt. is a douche.

[enoughcats]

13 hours ago, CaptainTightpants said:

New lieutenant continues to be unimpressive. I think they are trying to show chemistry between him and Chloe but it is just falling flat for me.

So we've gotten to know Newlieut for, what, five minutes?  And those not particularly well written and staged like bad high school drama.  And that's enough for us to believe a relationship with Chloe?  I don't think so.  Chloe has also been dumbed down this season,  getting her boss shot is not a positive career move.  And she's a lousy shot when a good accuracy is called for.   For his best detective, she's come across as ditzy and stone cold clueless when it comes to dealing with her superior.

6 hours ago, Jacks-Son said:

Ella's antics and pantomimes were also silly. 

Speaking of ditzy, next thing we know, Ella's going to be sleeping in a coffin and naming her analytical instruments.   Ella had such potential.  (Or did the writers not watch season 2?)

Edited October 24, 2017 by enoughcats

[Gigi43]

Well, kudos to Kevin Alejandro because during season 1 I would not have believed I would one day be this protective of Dan. But there's  a new douche in town and it ain't Dan.  I'm crediting Kevin Alejandro more than the writers because I never wanted Dan completely gone, where as Tom Wellling is giving me nothing but "go away" feelings. 

 

I enjoyed the beginning bit with the judges wife and Luci telling Amenadiel  to Lucifer. They went a little overboard with the kids and anyone who has seen any Law and Order knows the councilor did it. Amenadiel  trying to Lucifer almost went as expected but I didn't  think he'd wind up in jail.  Mazes absence was really felt in his story. I knew where Lucifers story about the guy in hell was going, but good acting by both actors.

 

I wonder if the writers are going with a misdirect with the anvils of the Lt. maybe knowing more about Lucifer or if they really  are  being this obvious. A lot of people, my self included, called Dan's involvement in Malcolm's shooting in season 1 before the "reveal".

Edited October 24, 2017 by Gigi43

[Miss Dee]

I'm thinking somehow Lieutenant Tom knew Chloe was going to be in danger....not sure how, but I think he's tinged with the supernatural - whether it's natural or thrust upon him.

That scene with Amenadiel was the first time I really disliked Lucifer. I credit this to D.B. Woodside's amazing ability to react like a wounded puppy. And damn, but didn't he give Tom Ellis a run for his money when he walked downstairs in that suit! Of course then he had to open his mouth. Amenadiel gonna Amenadiel. LOL

Count me in as someone who loves Dan and feels protective over him.

Everybody knocks the Welling, and he's not the strongest actor - but I still have a soft spot for him and his Superman role, so I give him all the leeway I can. And I do think the stoic demeanour is deliberate.

[Jlina]

Blech!!!! Or, what Happy Harpie said. Man, I never, ever thought I'd be over this show but Lucifer is becoming a charicature of who he was. THE Lt. Is no doubt manipulating Chloe. Her falling for it? A Chloe charicature as well. Just ugh-ly.

[vavera4ka]

I’m a bad person but I LOLed when Tom Welling went all Clark Kent jumping in front of a shotgun. 

Edited October 25, 2017 by vavera4ka
Who the F is Carl Kent? lol

[Maelstrom]

^^ I actually said to my tv “What a time not to be Superman!”

i’m with most of you guys, less than impressed tonight. Hoping it’s just an off night (a really off night) and this isn’t indicative of the rest of the season.

Edited October 24, 2017 by Maelstrom

[Robin the Hoodie]

Am I the only one who picked up on the Lt saying about how Chloe is responsible for Lucifer changing and how she is special? Not sure if I can post this right after the show but I think it's petty obvious who the Lt is and he is not a love interest for Chloe. I mean, it just so happens he is there to save Chloe and now he is all full of praise for her. He is drawing her away from Lucifer. 

As to Lucifer being angry and upset, it looks to me like he is feeling lost. He has been The Devil for millenia and as much as he hates being the torturer his father made him he doesn't know who he is if he isn't The Devil. This is exploring his love/hate of who he is. He fear of changing. 

[HollyG]

15 minutes ago, Robin the Hoodie said:

Am I the only one who picked up on the Lt saying about how Chloe is responsible for Lucifer changing and how she is special? Not sure if I can post this right after the show but I think it's petty obvious who the Lt is and he is not a love interest for Chloe. I mean, it just so happens he is there to save Chloe and now he is all full of praise for her. He is drawing her away from Lucifer. 

From the beginning I've thought Lt. Marcus Pierce isn't exactly who people think he is. At first I thought he was connected to the dangerous murderer they were talking about... why they couldn't catch him etc. I'm not sure who he is or why he is here, but I'll bet it's for more than his job as a police officer.

[HunterHunted]

On 10/16/2017 at 8:21 PM, MostlyC said:

considers starting an Etsy account making sterling silver WWLD bracelets....

Well, Lucifer considers his social media accounts to be Instagram, Snapchat, and Grindr. So that WWLD bracelet better be wrapped around your junk if you're going to advertise through Lucy's social media, at least the last account.

[GaT]

16 hours ago, CaptainTightpants said:

New lieutenant continues to be unimpressive. I think they are trying to show chemistry between him and Chloe but it is just falling flat for me.

 

 

4 hours ago, janeta said:

No, there is no vibe, and the Lt. is a douche.

I do not like the new LT at all, I think he's sucking the life out of the series because I am bored & just not feeling it this season.

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, Robin the Hoodie said:

As to Lucifer being angry and upset, it looks to me like he is feeling lost. He has been The Devil for millenia and as much as he hates being the torturer his father made him he doesn't know who he is if he isn't The Devil. This is exploring his love/hate of who he is. He fear of changing. 

Lucifer is very lost, but we need to remember that most of Lucifer's struggle in season 2 was about free will and his Father's manipulations. He concludes the season being proud of the choice he has made to give his Mother her own universe. He finally feels in control. He's no longer being jerked about by his celestial parents and he finally decides to tell Chloe the truth, when he's kidnapped. His devil face is taken. His wings are restored. Meanwhile, Amenadiel has neither his wings nor his powers back. I imagine it all looks like more divine dickery and manipulation to Lucifer.

[Happy Harpy]

6 hours ago, Robin the Hoodie said:

Am I the only one who picked up on the Lt saying about how Chloe is responsible for Lucifer changing and how she is special? Not sure if I can post this right after the show but I think it's petty obvious who the Lt is and he is not a love interest for Chloe.

It's been pretty obvious that there's more about him since the moment his link to the Sinnerman was revealed. I don't know for others, but in my case it isn't that I didn't notice. It's just that I couldn't care less.

It doesn't exclude him being a LI for Chloe and after the cringe-inducing attempts to tout an absent chemistry and give a romantic aspect to their non-existent relationship via Ella, I'm sure it's the plan at the very least (although I hope they planned to wait for audience reaction before going for it). And here I care because possible love triangle + less Chloe with her daughter, friends and partner + more bad writing for Chloe = NO.

I would have liked to see that yoga retreat more than certain parts of this episode.

Edited October 24, 2017 by Happy Harpy

[Featherhat]

It's not just one thing, every character feels off compared to where they were at the end of last season. The worst is Ella. They took a quirky character and have make her into a complete joke who's so cringey and frustrating in all of her scenes that she's in danger of becoming the new "Palmetto Street" for me wanting to throw things during the episode. 

Lucifer is so far mostly one note in this episode and his ranting about how people don't change and the turning kids into drug dealers was irritating rather than funny or interesting. I did love Amenadude's snack down of him and pointing out that this isn't S1's "Devil is a punisher not evil himself" personality so it seems the show does acknowledge that at least. I know Luci tends to get very tunnel visioned when he thinks he's being wronged by Dad or anyone else but I'm beyond impatient for him to realise that if the sinnerman or whoever else is responsible for what's happening to him then he's either working with Dad or potentially as powerful as him. Or at least try working on the problem. I know it's only ep 4 and 1 was from last season and part of the problem is they don't have Maze around but this whole thing is start off on such a bum note for me. 

Likewise I'm sure Pierce will be revealed to be/know more than he seems but I'm not enjoying the "suspense"/slog of getting there.

[Harry Potter]

One thing I don't get is what happened between Lucifer and Chloe? Last season finale he was about to reveal to Chloe who he really is and his feelings. But this season, he's back to having flings with random girls. Did the show ever explain that? 

 

Lucifer is slowly starting to discover he is becoming a better being and the wings are the symbol of that. I wonder how long will it take for him to finally see this change and embrace it. Chloe is like a catalyst for this change, not the sole reason for him to be better as he has to discover that himself. With all the people that is moving up his heart like his bro having his back, maze finding purpose which influences lucifer, the doctor's care and sacrifice, and Chloe's bond, it should be soon. Then I wonder how the show will continue with this new development. 

[Snow Fairy]

I am probably the only one, but am getting tired of Amenadiel's "this is a test for me". He is too fixated on that and loosing his charm, at least for me.

[Ria]

Amenadiel was the highlight for me this episode. He really has developed good relationships with several characters. I liked his interactions with Dan. 

Ellie, I don’t know what to say. Did she really say “I don’t want to be all interrupty”? And all that talk about the Lt have the hots for Chloe. Is she 12? The writers need to stop writing her as a  ditz and fast. I used to find her enjoyable.

Still not liking Lt Jerk. He’s even more insufferable fawning over how special and bestest detective in the dept Chloe is while putting down Dan who has turned into a likable and valuable character. 

[Gummo]

When did they replace the grounded, faithful, quirky Ella character with a refugee from a NickTeen sitcom? Every time she's onscreen now I feel embarrassed, both for the actress and the character. That's not professional behavior in ANY office situation, let alone a police station. I mean, who talks like that, location be damned?

And Lieutenant Mysterious and Dull can disappear any time. He's not interesting, has no chemistry with any of the other characters, and I have no interest in his big reveal, whatever it turns out to be.

And yes, we get it, Lucifer is turning into an angel. Yawn. A world without Lucifer's devil face is not a world I want to live in.

This show was so unique in its tone and attitude, I wondered if it could maintain it for more than 1 season. While season 2 was very problematic (I never got into the mom storyline), at least the characters were still the characters I fell in love with during the first season.  Now? Meh. It's starting to look like the writers and producers have lost that fine line they walked so effortlessly in season 1.

[Mabinogia]

4 minutes ago, Gummo said:

A world without Lucifer's devil face is not a world I want to live in.

AMEN! No redemption for Lucifer! He's fine as he bloody well is! (well, was, Season 1 Lucifer was awesome.)

[Fireball]

I didn't enjoy this episode.

• The character of Ella has been ruined
• Dan continues to be humiliated 
• Chloe the specialist detective that ever lived was unlikable 
• Lieutenant "what's his name" is dull and I don't care what his big mystery is or if he's suppose to be Chloe's love interest.
• Lucifer's downward spiral isn't fun and I really don't want to watch Lucifer turn into a redeemed angel or realize he's totally in love with Chloe.

I also felt like we were being hit over the head with Lucifer loves Chloe. 1) We have the Lieutenant telling us how special Chloe is and that Lucifer is changing because of his love for her, and 2) we have Amenadiel telling Lucifer that he has deep deep feelings for Chloe. 

[johntfs]

I'm kind of having to watch this episode like I watch an episode of Ancient Aliens - in spurts.  I watch AA for some of the locations, history and cooler concepts, but then I turn it off when the stupid becomes too much to bear.  I took me three tries to get through the first Lucifer/Judge scene.  I get it.  It's supposed to be unexpected funny, but it really just comes off as though the writers have forgotten how humans work.

I'm to the point with Ella gushing about how hot Pierce is for Chloe and my thought is, 'Ella, you're projecting.  If you want him so bad that you're throwing Chloe at him, just jump him yourself.'  Meanwhile, I think Pierce would have come off a lot better in the initial scene if he'd just explain. "Because, Decker, you're better than that.  Union repping is about trying to help idiots like your ex out of their self-created messes.  It's generally the last stop on the train before retirement or something that gets dumped on people who can't be trusted with anything more important."  Not only would that make sense and convey Pierce's respect for Decker's skills, it would also create a chance for her to stick up for Dan like "Look, LT, there's more to Dan's story than is in whatever files you read.  He's a better cop and a better man than you think and you should give him the chance to show you that."

I'm think of just skipping the rest of the episode, logging onto FOX and watching last week's episode there, because apparently that rocked hard.

[Writing Wrongs]

5 hours ago, Harry Potter said:

One thing I don't get is what happened between Lucifer and Chloe? Last season finale he was about to reveal to Chloe who he really is and his feelings. But this season, he's back to having flings with random girls. Did the show ever explain that? 

 

I'd like to know that too. And what happened to Lucifer needing to go back to Hell because no one is in charge there now?

[Gummo]

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Meanwhile, I think Pierce would have come off a lot better in the initial scene if he'd just explain. "Because, Decker, you're better than that.  Union repping is about trying to help idiots like your ex out of their self-created messes.  It's generally the last stop on the train before retirement or something that gets dumped on people who can't be trusted with anything more important."  Not only would that make sense and convey Pierce's respect for Decker's skills, it would also create a chance for her to stick up for Dan like "Look, LT, there's more to Dan's story than is in whatever files you read.  He's a better cop and a better man than you think and you should give him the chance to show you that."

I wish you were writing the show. This not only sounds like the characters we've grown to know & love, this sounds like actual human beings communicating as opposed to the stuff coming out of the characters' faceholes this episode.

[Bruinsfan]

15 minutes ago, Writing Wrongs said:

I'd like to know that too. And what happened to Lucifer needing to go back to Hell because no one is in charge there now?

Yeah, in Season 1 Amenadiel had to take over for him and wasn't happy about it. Shouldn't we be seeing escapees from Hell if no one is running things down there?

I agree that Lucifer should be really concerned about the idea that some unknown criminal can apparently make fundamental changes to him from afar against his will. Because the news that there's someone besides his parents with the kind of power to do that sort of thing should be a big deal. (I do wonder if it could be the result of a parting "gift" from Mom as she left the universe, wanting to restore him to what he was like in happier times before his rebellion caused family strife.)

Unlike some I enjoyed the impromptu drug dealer tutorial Lucifer ran for the retreat kids; that felt like something the snarky, hedonistic version of him from Season 1 would do. And his final scene with Amenadiel was great, if vicious and dismaying. But pretty much everything involving the other characters was awful. I'm waiting for someone to ring a gong and have Ella dragged off camera every time she appears, and I hope the producers sprayed the sets for termites so Lauren German doesn't catch them from Welling.

[flyingdi]

I am convinced there is something otherworldly about Lt Marcus Pierce.  When he said, and I'm completely paraphrasing cause I don't remember the quote, "I've been through many things in my life.". I sincerely was expecting Decker to ask," Why?  How long have you been alive?"

[Mabinogia]

29 minutes ago, Bruinsfan said:

Shouldn't we be seeing escapees from Hell if no one is running things down there?

I would be all in for that show! Watching Lucy and Amy trying to clean up the collassal mess they made when they left hell, basically leaving Pandora's Box wide open, and all the evil came pouring out.

My total disinterest in actually watching this episode makes it clear to me that I am not in it for the police side of things. I don't want Lucy working with the cops. I'd rather see him holding court at Lux, granting wishes to those willing to sell their souls, and working his his bro' to get the demons back to hell before daddy gets REALLY pissed. I also need lots of Linda and Maze (and Amy, but sounds like he was in this one) as well as some Trixie and Ella (original recipe, not this idiot they are turning her into.

I'm so happy, though, to see so much support for Dan. I liked him from the beginning. He's a good guy who did a bad thing, not a bad guy. I don't know the actor from anything else but I really like him here and find he makes Dan more complex than they may have originally intended. The only reason I want Charlotte back is because I want poor Dan to get some. lol

[Gigi43]

Season 1 Chloe was disliked by the entire department and it bothered her less than Pierce not liking her. I usually am fine with  Chloe and so I don't buy it. 

 

Lots of things from the Celestial side of  things have  been  dropped  and they all could be interesting. Amenadiel isn't in charge of hell as he feared he would be so who is?  Uriel went to Earth and died and apparently no other Angel or Dad care and is the Angel Of Death really not caring what happened to her blade?

 

I did get a kick out of Amenadiel mentioning the tidbit about how the prostitute and the "cousin" didn't look alike like family with zero self awareness to how he and Luci look (and Dan's face listening!)

Edited October 24, 2017 by Gigi43

[storyskip]

Dear Writers,

Universal hint that you need to step back and consider matters.

If you have to use every single other character as a mouthpiece to tell your audience how special this other character is, you've already lost the war.   Either find a way to show us how special Chloe is, without scripting lines for every damn character in the series to beat us over the head with, or accept that your concept for the character isn't working out on screen.

Second.  If you have started to sink to the point of degrading other characters, in order the exalt the character that THE AUDIENCE SHOULD LOVE OMG!   You're really in the weeds.

[Ria]

Completely agree storeyskip. The surest way to turn an audience against a character is to have every other character fawn over her and state her specialness. If the writers want us to believe she’s special, they need to write her better. Linda, Maize and Trixie are all awesome and completely outshining Chloe. And nothing other than better writing is going to change that. 

[rainsmom]

Easily the worst episode in the series for me.

I cannot stand Chloe -- SERIOUSLY LG cannot act. She's just horrible in the role, and if I didn't already dislike her, that smirk after finding out Dan was recommended for the union rep role would have done it for me. What a bitch.

Also cannot stand the new lieutenant. He's a smarmy ass, and I don't CARE what his backstory is. Let him and Chloe ride off into the sunset together. Just GO AWAY.

Tired of the Dan abuse. Dan has redeemed himself over and over and over. He's a good guy, and even Lucifer respects him. Obviously Chloe doesn't -- which is fine, because she doesn't deserve him. I'm tired of seeing him kicked over and over; it's driving me away from a series I love.

Ella is a caricature of her formerly interesting self. Stop. Rethink. 

Instead of wondering what's happening with Lucifer's wings, I'm more concerned with his BALLS. Because he lost them and got very boring. He's the DEVIL. Let him bloody act like it. Frankly, the same goes for Amenadiel. This whiny angel shit is TIRED. They've done it, now move on to redemption and power.

Linda, Maze, and Trixie are the only bright spots left. They'd better get back quick or I'm going to hold a funeral for this sad series.

[Zipper]

Well, I've been away for a bit w/o the ability to comment, so this might get a little broad.

Delighted with Linda so far this season, and Hawt Yoga with Dr. Linda is a thing I would totally watch.  I've put Maze in a box in my head (last week helped with that-- I have her currently recovering from the chills of Canada by crashing Hawt Yoga), so I don't miss her too much.  Trixie though... that is a hole in the show (only time I've ever said that about a child actor in prime time).

Ella in the first two episodes was a LOT.  Today she seemed a little toned down, and I did laugh out loud when she fanned her privates.  Totally childish, but it was a hoot.  For that, however, they should have taken away at least one line in which Ella talks about how cool the new Lt is or how "into" Chloe he is.  Reduce her fangirl by 1/2, bring back her faith, and let the actress figure out the rest.  Please. 

The new Lt is a tough read for me. I'm not familiar with Welling's other work, and I don't have any sense of how he fits into either a larger supernatural or police arc, so I'm just left with kind of a bland feeling. I was interested in the precise wording he used to describe Lucifer's attachment to Chloe, but other than that, he's leaving me totally flat. But even his delivery of that line had an air of: Pay Attention To The Words I Am Using.  We're only 4 episodes in, and I'm really hoping the writers left themselves some maneuvering space in case Welling isn't up to the task of being a wrench /ally in the works (romantic, procedural, angelic, etc.).  Totally on board with the hatred for his abuse of Dan.  While I thought Dan's punishment at the time was a little soft, I have no desire for New Guy to ladle out additional BS.  Dan's come a long way, and I'm rooting for him.

I'm not prepared to conclude that Lucifer's loss of devil face and regenerating wings have anything to do with his getting redemption.  His frustration with these developments might be part of the point, to unseat him from the confidence he ended S2 with.  To keep him guessing.  In the dark.  No idea who/what sanctioned the wings, but I have hope that it's not as basic as it might appear.  Like many of you, I have no desire for any kind of traditional redemptive arc for Lucy.  And lordy, I know he gets tunnel vision, but the number of times they wrote "can't change evil" in some version into this script challenged even Ellis's acting chops.  And, unless I've really missed something, Lucy's beating the ever-loving shit out of the bad guy IS punishment and NOT evil in this show.  So I'm a little frustrated with Amenadude's comment on the boat dock and Lucy taking it as a revelatory truth. 

Speaking of Amenadude, I'm glad he's figuring out what his role is, but again, I'm not sure he's right.  He's had such a hard time since he lost his wings/way, then having his mom screw with his head for her own ends.  I want him to gain some traction on his quest to earn back his wings/father's love.  Just a little-- I can't be freaked out about him and Dan at the same time.  Great scenes together for both actors, and DB's final scene was Ellis was fantastic.  

Ellis in the last scene was such a painful joy to watch.  His frustrated unraveling is as good as it gets for raw emotion.  But again, I'm asking myself:  for what?  Because he wasn't there for Chloe? Because he doesn't want Amenadude to be his angel?  Because he's not sure how his evolution might effect him in the long run?  Because he rejects the idea of his evolution at all?  Some of the above?  None of the above?  It's possible that the stand-alone threw me off a little week, but I'm getting a little nervous about the continuity of the season's broader theme.  Again, I've crammed these in, so could easily be me and not the show.

I think I'll feel better when I have a handle on Welling's place.  He seems like such a wildcard now, and he's touching a lot of the show.  I do not buy him and Chloe together for a second; so far he's been a total dick to her, which she has identified.   As johntfs noted above, this is an easy fix but it needs a fix quick.  I don't ship Lucy/Chloe.  I would be perfectly happy if the sex having on this show is left to Maze, Dr. Linda, Dan, Amen, and unnamed randos.  But that look Lauren German gave him in the hospital room (maybe just gratefulness), but it felt a lot like the beginning of something deeper.  That is going to requires some acting-up and some writing-up ASAP for me to get invested.

All in all, I didn't dislike this episode.  I'm interested in how they are setting the board up.  But I'm also tense about some of the details.

ETA:  Oh geez, I forgot Lucy with chocolate sauce on his lip... whew.  That was, devilish.

Edited October 24, 2017 by Zipper
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[Racj82]

My God I wanted Lucifer to just shut the fuck up after a while. His know it all attitude gets super old really quick. 

[Shenanigan]

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And, while Detective Douche was hilarious, I'm glad Lucifer is referring to Dan as Daniel now.

I confess I miss "Detective Douche" references. Not that I don't like Dan, but they always made me giggle like a 12-year-old.

[Bruinsfan]

Eh, while I've come to like Dan as we've seen more sides to him, he IS a dirty cop who's blown another dirty cop away and then let his wife take all the heat for it. And he's also taken justice into his own hands and had his father-in-law's killer snatched up by the Mob or whatever when the courts couldn't touch him. He should be giving thanks for only having to deal with a new boss that looks down on him, rather than being in prison and completely estranged from his family. The latter consequences could have easily resulted from what he's done.

Edited October 24, 2017 by Bruinsfan