Evelyn & David: Who Let Them in Here?

[sconstant]

9 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

All we are saying is give cheese [quesadillas] a chance.

[PityFree]

Evil-lyn wearing that apron with her vintage dress to fry a few onions and warm store-bought tortillas for her soon-to-be headship made me roll my eyes.  I’ve cooked an entire Thanksgiving dinner without needing an apron—but  I wasn’t trying to convince someone that I was the perfect 1950’s housewife. 

She exhibited awful knife skills while chopping those onions.  I hope David realizes she’s going to need supervision in the kitchen—at least until she learns what she’s doing if she insists on cooking for him. 

[ALittleShelfish]

1 hour ago, PityFree said:

Evil-lyn wearing that apron with her vintage dress to fry a few onions and warm store-bought tortillas for her soon-to-be headship made me roll my eyes.  I’ve cooked an entire Thanksgiving dinner without needing an apron—but  I wasn’t trying to convince someone that I was the perfect 1950’s housewife. 

She exhibited awful knife skills while chopping those onions.  I hope David realizes she’s going to need supervision in the kitchen—at least until she learns what she’s doing if she insists on cooking for him. 

The entire scene had me screaming at her.  I had just made a quesadilla for myself, not five minutes before that scene, and nevermind I don't even OWN an apron, but what kind of splatter is she expecting from a freakin' quesadilla?  She's so terrible at everything.  That was SO MANY ONIONS for two quesadillas, and I suspect there's going to be an abundance of takeout in their future.... or lots and lots of "Hey my parents invited us over for dinner, do you wanna go there instead of making something?  I mean, I know I don't want cereal for dinner again this week..." 

[Cara]

I’m going to give David the benefit of the doubt and say he didn’t want to discuss sex on camera and not that he wasn’t willing to discuss it with Evelyn privately.

But beyond that what exactly did she want to discuss, specifically? I mean they are both virgins. It’s not like they could talk about sexual likes and dislikes or anything like that. They are presumably planning to have sex on their wedding night. So there is no need for them to decide is the right time or anything of that nature. So what was there to talk about? What am I missing? Someone help me out.

Edited December 6, 2017 by Cara

[Natalie68]

13 hours ago, John M said:

Do quesadillas even count as "cooking"? That's something I make  drunk at 3AM if we have left over tortillas from making fajitas earlier in the week. Red onions, why would you make quesadillas with those?And I don't mean that in a snobby she can't even cook kind of way, I am absolutely not a cook but quesadillas literally some shredded cheese, butter and store bought tortillas in a pan, it's like making toast.

Maybe she was making pico de gallo?  

[AZChristian]

2 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Maybe she was making pico de gallo?  

Would love to hear her pronounce that.  LOL!

[Arwen Evenstar]

32 minutes ago, Cara said:

. They are presumably planning to have sex on their wedding night. So there is no need for them to decide is the right time or anything of that nature. So what was there to talk about? What am I missing? Someone help me out

I think that Evelyn was nervous enough as she was blushing just bandying about the subject with her Mom.  She was nervous, but st least looking forward to it. David Prude was clutching his pearls and jumping on the chair at the sight of a mouse.  Maybe David was the one who needed to be wearing the vintage 50s number and apron with pearls and high heels. 

Then, he shames his young bride and she’s crying real tears.  That’s not fake TLC drama; that little girl was feeling real hurt.  I’m hoping David Prude will act better after he finally gets laid on his wedding night. He’s one miserable, mean little man.

Edited December 6, 2017 by Arwen Evenstar

[John M]

26 minutes ago, Cara said:

But beyond that what exactly did she want to discuss, specifically? I mean they are both virgins. It’s not like they could talk about sexual likes and dislikes or anything like that. They are presumably planning to have sex on their wedding night. So there is no need for them to decide is the right time or anything of that nature. So what was there to talk about? What am I missing? Someone help me out.

I guess it depends on the extent of their sex education? I'm inclined to believe they have none whatsoever but from my limited understanding of fundie sex education there are books/audiobooks that go into pretty explicit detail on how to make love as a virgin after you tie the knot, maybe she wanted to discuss that?

I mean she is an 18 year old virgin but she seems pretty wrapped up in the whole idea of having sex for the first time, I think she is just obsessing over it and wants to just talk about it because the idea excites her.

[Natalie68]

5 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

Would love to hear her pronounce that.  LOL!

HA!

[magemaud]

58 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

Would love to hear her pronounce that. 

Is it PIKE-oh-day-GAL-low? But I don't think she was making that as she was shown frying the chopped red onions (which had miraculously changed to slices) and there were no jalapenos, tomatoes or cilantro in sight, although I guess they could have been still in those huge bags of stuff she came in with. 

[ethalfrida]

The recipes on this site are so authentic and delicious you can never go wrong if you are looking for Mexican dishes... from Mexico In My Kitchen.

QUESADILLAS:

1 teaspoon of vegetable oil (optional)

2 Medium size flour tortillas

2 oz. Oaxaca or Monterrey Jack cheese shredded or sliced

2 oz. Baked or cooked ham (about 2 slices)

Guacamole, for serving*

Pico de Gallo Salsa, for serving*

Mexican Cream, for serving*

NOTES:

*The Guacamole, salsa and Mexican cream are optional; the same applies to the vegetable oil if you are using a nonstick griddle.

-You can use other types of fillings like leftover shredded chicken, sliced mushrooms, refried beans, cooked ground beef, vegetables, etc.

-If you are making several servings, preheat the oven 300 degrees and place the sincronizadas in a baking sheet to keep them warm while you finish cooking.

15 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Is it PIKE-oh-day-GAL-low? But I don't think she was making that as she was shown frying the chopped red onions (which had miraculously changed to slices) and there were no jalapenos, tomatoes or cilantro in sight, although I guess they could have been still in those huge bags of stuff she came in with. 

It's Pee-co-day-guy-yo

[magemaud]

31 minutes ago, ethalfrida said:

It's Pee-co-day-guy-yo

I know, it was my lame attempt at imitating how I thought Evelyn would butcher the pronunciation

Edited December 6, 2017 by magemaud

[ethalfrida]

11 minutes ago, magemaud said:

I know, it was my lame attempt at imitating how I thought Evelyn would butcher the pronunciation

Ok, lol, sorry. you are right. Much like Les Nessman's "chee-who-uh-who-uh". 

Edited December 6, 2017 by ethalfrida

[magemaud]

I once heard someone order "Fuh-JAIGH-tuz" at a Mexican restaurant

[ethalfrida]

1 minute ago, magemaud said:

I once heard someone order "Fuh-JAIGH-tuz" at a Mexican restaurant

Rollin!!!! 

[Arwen Evenstar]

37 minutes ago, magemaud said:

I once heard someone order "Fuh-JAIGH-tuz" at a Mexican restaurant

Did they also ask for Kweeeso?

[Natalie68]

15 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Did they also ask for Kweeeso?

With extra hollypeeno's?

[magemaud]

Or "JAHL-uh-pee-nos." But we are getting off topic here...

[gonecrackers]

3 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Then, he shames his young bride and she’s crying real tears.  That’s not fake TLC drama; that little girl was feeling real hurt.  I’m hoping David Prude will act better after he finally gets laid on his wedding night. He’s one miserable, mean little man.

Funny I read it so differently. To me it looked like David was over acting & both were trying not to laugh. The whole scene - the cooking & weird verbal exchange - seemed completely fake to me.

[Kath94]

43 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Or "JAHL-uh-pee-nos." But we are getting off topic here...

juh-LAP-en-nose.  Duh.  :)

[JennyMominFL]

3 hours ago, magemaud said:

I once heard someone order "Fuh-JAIGH-tuz" at a Mexican restaurant

Peter said it that way on Family Guy and if my sons are trying to be funny they will pronounce it like that.

[bethster2000]

Something that has been bugging me: David chastising Evil-yn about the onions in the pan, don't let the onions burn.

Yeah, okay...but getting a nice char on the onions brings out a delicious sweet flavor, and a texture very conducive to a Kay Sah Deal Luh.

[AZChristian]

Just to mess with the heads of customers, there's a restaurant in Visalia, CA called "Quesadilla Gorilla."  Try figuring out how to pronounce that!!!  LOL.

Great little place - tiny - you have to sit at little tables out on the sidewalk because it's so small inside.  Yummy stuff!!!

[Baltimore Betty]

All this funny mispronunciations of the word quesadilla reminds me of Napoleon Dynamite, the grandmother told the kids to have a dang kaysadilla.  

I pity David despite his short comings, he is marrying a narrow minded girl with desire to broaden her horizons.  He is doomed to a life of Claremont apples.

[Arwen Evenstar]

On 12/6/2017 at 8:17 AM, sconstant said:

All we are saying is give cheese [quesadillas] a chance.

All she is saying is give Claremont a chance.

[TwirlyGirly]

Earlier in this forum we were discussing the school Evelyn attended (and now works/volunteers at) - Claremont Christian School. Huffington Post published an expose on the curricula used by private Christian schools in the U.S. that receive taxpayer dollars in the form of school choice vouchers, and Claremont Christian School is on their list. Apparently Claremont uses a mixture of two different Christian curricula; Abeka and Bob Jones University Press (but at least they don't use A.C.E!)

Here's the HuffPo article: Voucher Schools Championed By Betsy DeVos Can Teach Whatever They Want. Turns Out They Teach Lies.

A link to the download of the data compiled on the private Christian schools and the curricula utilized by those schools is in the article body.

Edited December 8, 2017 by TwirlyGirly
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[PityFree]

 First time sex is a little awkward even in the best circumstances.  Having first time sex with a fellow virgin after a long, exhausting day spent being nervous, standing, dancing, entertaining guests, etc. doesn’t sound smart to me. 

[Forum member]

24 minutes ago, PityFree said:

 First time sex is a little awkward even in the best circumstances.  Having first time sex with a fellow virgin after a long, exhausting day spent being nervous, standing, dancing, entertaining guests, etc. doesn’t sound smart to me. 

They should hire a couple of stunt doubles to observe and learn from.

[Arwen Evenstar]

4 hours ago, TwirlyGirly said:

Earlier in this forum we were discussing the school Evelyn attended (and now works/volunteers at) - Claremont Christian School. Huffington Post published an expose on the curricula used by private Christian schools in the U.S. that receive taxpayer dollars in the form of school choice vouchers, and Claremont Christian School is on their list. Apparently Claremont uses a mixture of two different Christian curricula; Abeka and Bob Jones University Press (but at least they don't use A.C.E!)

Here's the HuffPo article: Voucher Schools Championed By Betsy DeVos Can Teach Whatever They Want. Turns Out They Teach Lies.

A link to the download of the data complied on the private Christian schools and the curricula utilized by those schools is in the article body.

Thanks, Twirly Girly. Great article.

[Kareem]

On 12/6/2017 at 0:37 PM, Cara said:

I’m going to give David the benefit of the doubt and say he didn’t want to discuss sex on camera and not that he wasn’t willing to discuss it with Evelyn privately.

But beyond that what exactly did she want to discuss, specifically? I mean they are both virgins. It’s not like they could talk about sexual likes and dislikes or anything like that. They are presumably planning to have sex on their wedding night. So there is no need for them to decide is the right time or anything of that nature. So what was there to talk about? What am I missing? Someone help me out.

I was thinking that maybe she just wanted him to reassure her, that everything would be ok, something like that?  Maybe a "we're in this together" kind of speech?  I knew that wasn't going to happen, though, because neither one of them are nice people. Comforting Commander Claremont will probably never be at the top of his list. Neither appear to be wired that way.

[Polliwollidoodle]

I think that David really has not asked or demanded much from Evelyn and she seems to be laying down the law about everything--------his tux- where to live - etc. so I think the one thing he has made a point of- not discussing intimacy (and YES I think it's the point of on TV) ----------she cannot do that.

Obviously I don't know but it seems to me that his issue is more with the on TV aspect. I think he didn't want that chat she had with her mom, where she was genuinely blushing and uncomfortable- to be had with the cameras going. I felt the same way when her mother very openly assured her. I thought it was a very good discussion- BUT I kept thinking are you kidding me ? Having such a private chat with the tv watching public???

[SunnyBeBe]

I didn't get that David's issue with discussing sex was that it was on tv. He seemed VERY unnerved by it.  Like he was insulted.  Reminded me of the old days, where the woman is to keep quiet and do whatever the man says.  Not much to discuss really.  Did you see the movie Cold Miner's Daughter?  Like the way Loretta Lynn acted about sex when she first got married.  Wearing her clothes underneath her nightgown.(Granted she was a teen at the time.)  It's not that I dislike David, but, as a woman with a healthy appetite, I'd be more than a little worried about that kind of reaction.  He admitted that it was his family's attitude that he was displaying.  Unhealthy attitudes about sex would be a red flag for me. 

Edited December 8, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[Arwen Evenstar]

The point is, they could have done it for TV without embarrassing David by going into another room and closing the door behind them and director cuts.  If they thought that move might compromise their purity, just have the director cut after they agree to have “their talk”.

[SunnyBeBe]

I don't know, but, I wonder what the terms of their contract are.  Are they suppose to discuss all issues or certain issues?  I would guess that the producers want as much out there as possible. 

[John M]

6 hours ago, mayvenne said:

I think that David really has not asked or demanded much from Evelyn and she seems to be laying down the law about everything--------his tux- where to live - etc. so I think the one thing he has made a point of- not discussing intimacy (and YES I think it's the point of on TV) ----------she cannot do that.

Obviously I don't know but it seems to me that his issue is more with the on TV aspect. I think he didn't want that chat she had with her mom, where she was genuinely blushing and uncomfortable- to be had with the cameras going. I felt the same way when her mother very openly assured her. I thought it was a very good discussion- BUT I kept thinking are you kidding me ? Having such a private chat with the tv watching public???

First of all I am inclined to believe that neither of them has had any sexual education at all based on how they are acting but there are plenty of topics around sex that they should be comfortable talking about well before their age.

The stuff she wants to talk about should be something that anyone is able to talk about. As I mentioned in another thread I went to a Christian school freshmen year, I mean it wasn't a hardcore evangelical school but it was definitely conservative and we had a rather explicit sex education class of male and female anatomy, mechanics of sex and the teacher made it clear that it was a nothing off limits discussion, a limit that kids tested as they do about discussions about him having sex with his wife. I mean it wasn't Penthouse letter level but rather matter-of-factly yes I have sex with my wife often, she enjoys it, I'm normally on top, etc.

I have limited experience with fundies but my understanding is once you get married you are supposed to have a lot of sex and crank out babies with an understanding that the wife is supposed to submit and makes sure the man's sexual needs are taken care of. I mean sure they have lots of backwards ideas about birth control, female sexual pleasure and needs, pornography, sex before marriage, male dominance etc but it seems like most of the fundie groups are pretty explicate that once you guys are married you are suppose to have sex basically whenever the man wants it as open expectation of marriage. Even her mother seemed more than willing to volunteer information to her daughter about sex on national TV, her soon to be husband shouldn't be more uptight about it than her mother.

[funky-rat]

Saw this and immediately thought of Warbelyn:

[Polliwollidoodle]

5 hours ago, funky-rat said:

Saw this and immediately thought of Warbelyn:

This is just perfection. I adore this. And yes, quite appropriate for Evelyn. And Is till do think she is so attractive.

[Lily247]

5 hours ago, John M said:

First of all I am inclined to believe that neither of them has had any sexual education at all based on how they are acting but there are plenty of topics around sex that they should be comfortable talking about well before their age.

The stuff she wants to talk about should be something that anyone is able to talk about. As I mentioned in another thread I went to a Christian school freshmen year, I mean it wasn't a hardcore evangelical school but it was definitely conservative and we had a rather explicit sex education class of male and female anatomy, mechanics of sex and the teacher made it clear that it was a nothing off limits discussion, a limit that kids tested as they do about discussions about him having sex with his wife. I mean it wasn't Penthouse letter level but rather matter-of-factly yes I have sex with my wife often, she enjoys it, I'm normally on top, etc.

I have limited experience with fundies but my understanding is once you get married you are supposed to have a lot of sex and crank out babies with an understanding that the wife is supposed to submit and makes sure the man's sexual needs are taken care of. I mean sure they have lots of backwards ideas about birth control, female sexual pleasure and needs, pornography, sex before marriage, male dominance etc but it seems like most of the fundie groups are pretty explicate that once you guys are married you are suppose to have sex basically whenever the man wants it as open expectation of marriage. Even her mother seemed more than willing to volunteer information to her daughter about sex on national TV, her soon to be husband shouldn't be more uptight about it than her mother.

I highly doubt that Evelyn and David have not had sex education. In 2017, all young people have access to the 'net and can find out anything about everything, so obvously they will be searching for sex-related topics. I also dont see Evelyn as a "fundie" type, just a conservative non-denominational Christian type. After seeing all her bikini pictures and the fact that she does not practice the modesty thing, I definitely dont see her as fundamental. I know plenty of those like her, they tend to marry in their late teens/early 20s because they wait for sex, but after that all the choices are basically up  to them, and most of those couples that I know do wait a few years to have kids. 

I for one felt very uncomfortable watching Evelyn talk about sex with her mother on TV. It was a good conversation to have but it just made me cringe and should have taken place in private. The same thing with the lingerie shopping, which I think Evelyn purposely did to make the viewers imagine her half naked. Again, not very fundie to me IMO. 

Edited December 9, 2017 by Lily247

[Splithair]

8 hours ago, John M said:

Even her mother seemed more than willing to volunteer information to her daughter about sex on national TV, her soon to be husband shouldn't be more uptight about it than her mother.

That statement pretty much says it all.

[John M]

I'm just laughing thinking about when my partner came out to his parents (They obviously had already known he was gay for a long time, he had just never said the words) about our relationship and he added that we had been tested together and were both STD free.

Honey I don't think they also need to know we have unprotected sex, I think they figured out all they wanted to by the whole 35~ year old gay male couple living together thing.

[Lily247]

9 hours ago, John M said:

I'm just laughing thinking about when my partner came out to his parents (They obviously had already known he was gay for a long time, he had just never said the words) about our relationship and he added that we had been tested together and were both STD free.

Honey I don't think they also need to know we have unprotected sex, I think they figured out all they wanted to by the whole 35~ year old gay male couple living together thing.

Out of curiousity, how long ago did your partner come out to his parents ? And did you meet them before he came out to them ? 

[Lily247]

I strongly dislike 2 couples this season: Evelyn/David and Libby/Andrei (just Libby). These couples are the ones who have the most boring actual stories and instead of allowing us to see their story unfold documentary style, every single action and dialogue is completely contrived and acted. Both Evelyn and Libby are trying to get out there in the showbiz industry, might I add. It is pretty much like watching a badly-acted, poorly - written soap opera, especially when Evelyn is shown in a talking head discussing her hesitance with David while CLEARLY toying with the engagement ring on her left hand for the camera to see. 

I watched this show since Season 1, where the stories were very documentary style, especially Alan and Kirlyam (who were both virgins before the wedding might I add, yet they did not try to create any drama out of that) Their story was simply how much Kirlyam was going to miss her family back home, while adjusting to life in LA

Another couple that had the most interesting storyline of the whole series IMO was Danny/Amy, the Christian interracial couple whose love for each other was very sweet yet they genuinely had to deal with racism from his father.

I feel like every season there is a requirement for at least one fiancee to undergo a sexy photoshoot because they need to break into a modeling career. 

[John M]

13 hours ago, Lily247 said:

Out of curiousity, how long ago did your partner come out to his parents ? And did you meet them before he came out to them ? 

Recently enough that they most likely were not going to have AIDS panic. And I had not meet them, I had the option but I wasn't going to do "Oh this is just my friend" or "Surprise, I'm gay and this is my partner!"

Also his parents were not morons and put two and two together a long time ago and said they felt bad for not specifically inviting me to things but understandably wanted him to come out on his own terms.

Edited December 10, 2017 by John M

[Cara]

On 12/8/2017 at 6:23 PM, Lily247 said:

I highly doubt that Evelyn and David have not had sex education. In 2017, all young people have access to the 'net and can find out anything about everything, so obvously they will be searching for sex-related topics. I also dont see Evelyn as a "fundie" type, just a conservative non-denominational Christian type. After seeing all her bikini pictures and the fact that she does not practice the modesty thing, I definitely dont see her as fundamental. I know plenty of those like her, they tend to marry in their late teens/early 20s because they wait for sex, but after that all the choices are basically up  to them, and most of those couples that I know do wait a few years to have kids. 

I for one felt very uncomfortable watching Evelyn talk about sex with her mother on TV. It was a good conversation to have but it just made me cringe and should have taken place in private. The same thing with the lingerie shopping, which I think Evelyn purposely did to make the viewers imagine her half naked. Again, not very fundie to me IMO. 

Yeah, they don’t strike me  as over the top fundamentalists either. I know many people who are conservative Christians.  They may believe in waiting till married for sex. But after I’m sure they would say a healthy sex life would be considered an important part of marriage. They also don’t have a problem with using birth control. E/D and her family certainly don’t come across as having “Duggar type” beliefs to me.

Edited December 10, 2017 by Cara

[PityFree]

 Evil-lyn?  Donnie and Marie called and they want that wedding dress back.

[spankydoll]

1 hour ago, PityFree said:

 Evil-lyn?  Donnie and Marie called and they want that wedding dress back.

Arghh! That is a perfect vintage dress.  

[bethster2000]

1 hour ago, spankydoll said:

Arghh! That is a perfect vintage dress.  

I know, right?  I think she looks GORGEOUS in that dress.  Then again, I loathe Panini or whatever she's called Stripperwear Dresses that are on the Say Yes shows.  I know that on my wedding day, my husband wanted the CLASSY...not his bride showing the ASSY.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

9 hours ago, PityFree said:

 Evil-lyn?  Donnie and Marie called and they want that wedding dress back.

HAHAHAHAHA.  YUP.  She's a little bit country (Claremont) he's a little bit rock ' roll (the cityyyyy any city)......

[funky-rat]

9 hours ago, bethster2000 said:

I know, right?  I think she looks GORGEOUS in that dress.  Then again, I loathe Panini or whatever she's called Stripperwear Dresses that are on the Say Yes shows.  I know that on my wedding day, my husband wanted the CLASSY...not his bride showing the ASSY.

Pnina Tornei.  

[John M]

58 minutes ago, funky-rat said:

Pnina Tornei.  

We always joke that she lives in the basement of Kleinfeld. Is she even like a legitimate designer or like the Kleinfeld house brand? They always make a big deal out of her but she makes such trashy dresses and apparently has a lot of free time to make custom dresses for randos that walk into Kleinfelds.

I know it is a TV show but perception is everything and the perception that she gives on SYTTD is she is a sales associate at Kleinfelds that happens to own a sewing machine.