Season 5 Discussion

[AmyBre]

14 hours ago, Miss Chevious said:

If having children was so important to Aika why the hell did she wait till she's 36 to find someone to marry? She acts like she's never heard of a woman's biological clock before. What the hell was she doing in her twenties? There wasn't a single man in the Philippines (or anywhere else) that wasn't a suitable mate? 

For same reason lots of women put that off....waiting for a better choice?   Aika also used her prime years to make some money through escort and "entertaining" bar patrons.   What's sad is that after so many encounters and after other suitors, the best she could do was Josh.   

I think this is where TLC and the 15 seconds of fame really messes people off.   Everyone except Andrei is hungry for attention in this season.  And I bet Andrei went ahead with the show only to make some money to defray his "getting started" expenses.

Josh never intended to seriously reversed his vasectomy or have kids with Aika or no one else.  He strikes me as someone who likes his life the way it is and doesn't want to hassle that is having kids.   If Aika is serious about wanting to be a mom, she needs to split.   Josh does not want to play daddy.  Neither does Luis.  and Hazan is playing stepdaddy out of pity to Mae.

[Trackdawg]

13 hours ago, Cranky One said:

WHAT IS THIS SPECIAL EFFECT THAT DAVID HAS ON WOMEN THAT MAKE THEM WANT TO SLEEP WIYH HIM??

YES, I'm yelling!!

 

12 hours ago, CoachWristletJen said:

Chris's money.

 

9 hours ago, magemaud said:

Ashley-Snooki said he often "hooked up with prostitutes." Maybe Chris also paid for them. 

Since y'all beat me to it, I'll have to go with...maybe his winning fashion sense?

14 hours ago, Miss Chevious said:

Is David Poor working as a cast member at DisneyWorld's Pinocchio ride? That shirt he wore at the restaurant screams Fantasyland. 

YES!...well, almost. Because, as I thought about it, I knew I had seen him somewhere before. Not Pinocchio, though

Tweedledee, Tweedledum and...TweedleDave?

[Meowwww]

11 hours ago, spankydoll said:

All of her sisters are bimbo famewhores. 

But they all have such pretty pretty princess pony hair!

[b2H]

13 hours ago, Miss Chevious said:

13 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

That monstrosity HAS to be her mom's wedding dress ...... 

It definitely is a monstrosity. Why didn't they modernize it? They could fix the neckline and chop off the sleeves or something. Anything would be an improvement.

I'll put money on the idea that modesty was required for her wedding to take place in the church.  I've seen that before and, no, it didn't surprise me one iota.  I honestly didn't have a problem for it.  She is only 18 after all and certainly not all that much in touch with her womanliness.

ETA:  My sister wore our mom's wedding gown (Mom married in 1948; sister in 1971).  My mom was married in November in a beautiful heavy gown that had to have been murder for my sister who married in August (both in SE Pennsylvania, where it gets stinky hot in August).

Also, with respect to Annie and Aika - I may have related this before, but I was dating a guy a few years back who married his 'Chinese pen-pal' when he brought her to the States.  That was over ten years ago (he e-mailed me with his wedding photos - we hadn't quite yet broken off our relationship....).  Anyway, he relocated her from New Hampshire to Savannah, GA, set her up in a nail salon business in the shopping mall.  She started to do some things that were patently illegal here in the States (he was in law enforcement) and she pretty much told him to STFU.  About three years ago, for health reasons, he had to move to Tennessee.  At last report (his birthday was on the sixth of this month), she still hadn't relocated to Tennessee.  I've asked him for an update on the situation, still trying to be sympathetic.  He told me, if he'd shared the story with me, I'd probably call for the men in white coats to take him away.

I'm guessing that means he's still married to her, but in name only.

Edited December 11, 2017 by b2H
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[AmyBre]

13 hours ago, Cranky One said:

Jesus, Josh...until you and Aika even try, I think IVF is putting the cart be for the horse.

I'd get a 2nd opinion 

IvF doesn't work until they detox themselves.  People just gather microbes and other bacteria through life, which is why the first person they should see is a reproductive pathologist.  This complicated procedure involves cleansing both male and female.  This is very common in Europe prior to conceiving and greatly reduces miscarriages.   Even if Aika only dated a couple of guys, she is carrying with her, any bacteria they might have passed and it is that bacteria that often causes miscarriages to occur.  I could speak about this for ages, but in essence, they are going about it in the wrong order.

[Indy USAF]

10 hours ago, TrininisaScorp said:

I echo the annoyance at Evelyn being the voice of reason re: the sex talk.  Clearly, they were always going to be living in Clearmont next to her parents.  She needs to be around her momma.

David Poor's daughter is nasty; 100 points to the poster that likened her to Snooki.  Yeah, David's an asshole and terrible, but her beef is with him, not Annie.  She clearly took some pleasure in mouthing off to Annie and thinking she was going to cause issues.  Like father, like daughter.  I feel particularly bad for Jacob b/c he seems like a kid who just wishes his father was a better man.

Elizabeths' sisters and friends were really Tampa trashy (I say this as a Floridian).  Her sisters are bitchy and are assholes.  No matter her experience, Andrei was always going to be mad at her b/c she went and now he has to punish her.  I can't like Andrei (even though he's the least of the terrible on this show) because of his level of innate misogyny.

I can't with Aika and Josh.  They both have mean streaks, and seem like selfish, destructive people.

Nicole and Azan - Yo...these two.   Azan clearly adores May (not on a "he should be her daddy" level), but he CANNOT STAND Nicole.  I've never seen him happier than when he was putting the luggage in the car.  LOL.  Azan's aunt seems like a sweet lady.  

I don't understand all the Josh hate?  Someone called him a deadbeat dad, but I haven't heard of any Davidpoor craziness with his kids?  Yeah...he's 99% full of shit and ridiculously immature to think that he can make this work with Aika with his lack of resources, but he's certainly not the first man to make major life decisions with his little head!  I just see him as a broke Matt (Matt/Alla).  He doesn't seem like an asshole to me?  Yeah...he promised Aika a bunch of BS, but he atleast got her here and lined her up to snag someone better off!  He will have improved her life greatly in the long run!  She just won't be with him. 

[Trackdawg]

14 hours ago, Forum member said:

Josh is a true master at keeping that upper lip straight and motionless. Like a ventriloquist. I'm saying no upper teeth til he gets back to the canines. And I've never seen the cheerless fuck laugh.

Seriously. He's almost as bad as Mnuchin...OK, nobody's that  bad. But Waterboy Josh never being able to smile with his teeth reminds me of those commercials for Invisalign or Polident or whatever. I almost want to feel sorry for him...I mean, I would if he wasn't such a feckless, cloying, overselling, manipulative-yet-subservient douchebucket.

[AmyBre]

13 hours ago, Cranky One said:

WHAT IS THIS SPECIAL EFFECT THAT DAVID HAS ON WOMEN THAT MAKE THEM WANT TO SLEEP WIYH HIM??

YES, I'm yelling!!

I have always been fascinated by what men want in women and what women want in their men.  These are my observations.   Notice how David falls very short on ALL of them.

1 - $ecurity and Safety.  Be responsible and a (wo)man of your word.

2 - Passionate and Affection.  The way his children addressed him, specially Snooki tells me that he wasn't a very affectionate father and may be harboring unresolved conflicts.

3 - Intelligence, Drive and some Ambition to get things done.   David is not intelligent, he has no drive to improve his life and zero ambition.

4 - Humor and Humility (by the way, David is not humorous.  You may laugh at him because he is a sad clown, but not because of his creativity and wit.   And let's not confuse Humility with being poor.

5 - Healthy lifestyle and Clean.   David doesn't take care of himself and you can see it on his appearance and how he handles himself.   People who get very drunk on a regular basis also do not strike me as care for their health.

 

I look at these five points and at the sad couples this season features and know for sure most of them will not go ahead with wedding or will fall apart within 12 months.

[magemaud]

34 minutes ago, calpurnia99 said:

Skanky fake phony sisters..that Jen is disgusting with her fake hair, her blown up lips, her botox. She represents all that is wrong with the modern world. I HATE this bitch!  She looks like a Barbie blow up doll.

I noticed neither Jen nor Becky appear to wear any kind of wedding rings but are supposedly married to rich, successful men so I would expect them to be flashing some major bling. Maybe they took them off for the bachelorette party, (hello, Nicole!) but I remember another scene with Jen where she was ring-less. I didn't notice if Megan (married to their brother) wears rings. And who knew you could have a Cher impersonator come to your party? 

[Trackdawg]

13 minutes ago, Indy USAF said:

I don't understand all the Josh hate?  Someone called him a deadbeat dad, but I haven't heard of any Davidpoor craziness with his kids?  Yeah...he's 99% full of shit and ridiculously immature to think that he can make this work with Aika with his lack of resources, but he's certainly not the first man to make major life decisions with his little head!  I just see him as a broke Matt (Matt/Alla).  He doesn't seem like an asshole to me?  Yeah...he promised Aika a bunch of BS, but he atleast got her here and lined her up to snag someone better off!  He will have improved her life greatly in the long run!  She just won't be with him. 

I guess I inadvertently addressed this without knowing it LOL. But it just goes to show how two people can watch the same show and come away with radically divergent opinions of the same thing/person/topic. Everyone absorbs media (and life) filtered through their own unique confirmation biases.

[Sienna]

5 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

The real question with Aika is WHY is she SO desperate ? What is her relationship history ? She's pretty, bright etc. Decent English. 

I secretly (oh and I'm going to hell for this one)  had been getting teency gender reassignment/trans vibes from her so the gyn cleared that up this week at least! 

My theory, and it's ONLY a theory, is that she may have had an Abby/Chris (from "Before the 90 Days") sort of situation. Involved with an older dude with some money (enough to pay for her boob job), maybe an ex-pat type living there part time. A relationship that stayed in limbo for years while she waited for whatever was promised (i.e. that he'd get a divorce, marry her, take her to the US, or whatever), until she ended up single, on the wrong side of 30, and willing to latch onto Josh for lack of better options.

[AZChristian]

35 minutes ago, AnnaL said:

My only hope in this whole circus is that Annie still has a soft spot on her callous heart and she doesn't bring a child into the mix. That would be inexcusable. 

Spoiler

David's daughter said in an online interview that he had a vasectomy a long time ago.  Short of a miracle, no baby.  Plus, given his medical situation and alcoholism,  I'm not sure that he is - shall we say - able to fully perform an insemination . . . swimmers or not.

[Granny58]

2 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Molly.  I don't get what it is she sees in Luis.  He's a greasy mess.  Not attractive.  As tacky as she is, she's at least a very pretty woman.  She can't do better here?

and she does seem sweet.

[AmyBre]

13 hours ago, Forum member said:

Having no vasectomy experience, I'd have to think there's some sperm lurking in his balls. Could they shove a needle in there and extract some without doing a reversal?

Josh has no balls.   He lost them in his previous divorces.....

[Teddybear]

14 hours ago, Cranky One said:

WHAT IS THIS SPECIAL EFFECT THAT DAVID HAS ON WOMEN THAT MAKE THEM WANT TO SLEEP WIYH HIM??

YES, I'm yelling!!

Are prostitutes allowed to turn anyone down?  

[magemaud]

I think Evelyn is wearing her mother's wedding dress because of her love for everything "vintage" and not due to modesty or church guidelines. Pastor Tim's church and the nearby Claremont Christian School are Baptist, not some super strict fundie cult where she would need to be all covered up a la Duggar Bride. 

What's with all the brassy and fake looking gold bling David Poor wore to his family dinner?  

[John M]

I find myself so on the fence with Andrei and Elizabeth, on one hand I think he is being a bit of a controlling ass, on the other hand her sisters seem like obnoxious bitches and I have seen enough bachelorette parties of this sort roll through gay bars  to know they are just the worst, that her sisters are going to try and get her beyond drunk and all be obnoxious in general and Andrei is probably right for not wanting her to act like this. And I get the feeling that Elizabeth isn't so into the whole thing anyways.

Plus Andrei is controlling but I think Elizabeth is kind of into it. As much as I want to say his behavior is misogynistic I get the impression that is what she wants, a big strong man making the decisions for her. It's not how I would want to live but as long as she is making the decision on her own free will and he is not being abusive it is her free choice to live that way even if I disagree with it. 

[AmyBre]

@ Bootleg Snooki (David's Daughter)....if I threw a glass of water at my father the way she did, I'm sure he would kill me, disown me or beat the crap out of me.

To entertain the thought of it is bad enough, much less actually doing it.  On TV.  Dead.  For sure.

[Indy USAF]

16 minutes ago, Sienna said:

My theory, and it's ONLY a theory, is that she may have had an Abby/Chris (from "Before the 90 Days") sort of situation. Involved with an older dude with some money (enough to pay for her boob job), maybe an ex-pat type living there part time. A relationship that stayed in limbo for years while she waited for whatever was promised (i.e. that he'd get a divorce, marry her, take her to the US, or whatever), until she ended up single, on the wrong side of 30, and willing to latch onto Josh for lack of better options.

You nailed it.  She's 36, so her options are an old man or a broke-ass guy closer to her age like Josh.  That's it.  A guy with his shit together that pursues a K-1 is going for a trophy-type 26 yr old or something. 

[Sienna]

36 minutes ago, Indy USAF said:

I don't understand all the Josh hate?  Someone called him a deadbeat dad, but I haven't heard of any Davidpoor craziness with his kids? 

Spoiler

I'm not sure if it's made it onto the actual show (honestly, I read these threads more than I watch it), but there have been several gossip site pieces about Josh, he's been arrested for assault, his ex alleges domestic violence, and said that he does not pay child support. Granted, exs aren't always the most objective, so I don't take it as gospel, but something seems really off about him to me, YMMV. Pretty sure the links are in the social media thread.

[AmyBre]

I would love it if TLC/Sharp can avoid the following cliches in future seasons.

1 - Please stop the whole automatic modeling photo shoot thing.   None of them (except poor Pao and Anfisa) make it past the photoshoot because they are not exotic enough or professional enough or connected enough to be actual real models.   Please stop!    Their infatuated boyfriends may think they are model material, but you know damn well that they are not.

2 - Stop picking ALL losers and pick a couple or two with actual chances of making it.    Please pick at least one mature couple that we can root for.

3 - Please mix up the American Male and poor foreign Female dynamic, and pick some American women, preferably NOT wealthy-looking or Upper Middle class like Libby.   Just think regular folk.

4 - Pick a couple where the foreigner is a better economic position than the American.  I know lots of men and women who have married into wealthy foreign families.   They exist.

5 - Stop pushing the "Daddy" agenda on the stepfathers.   Those relationships take years to form and producers pushing participants to use those words is just wrong.   Notice how they have done it in other seasons/related shows.

6 - Please have more background into the participants.   More about their lives back in the original countries, their families, etc.  Notice how we know little or nothing about Andrei.

In summary, walk away form the cliches and bring some fresh faces and fresh angles to this.   I have written about viewer fatigue in the past and the present formula is quite worn out.

[shockermolar]

4 hours ago, Granny58 said:

Maybe I missed a scene, but all I saw was him walking to his Jeep in a rage, then calming down and returning.  It was a shitty remark "I'll get another man." My husband and I dealt with infertility (on my part, but still....) and if I had said that to him or he to me, yep, there would have been intense rage.  

It was more involved than that. He was sort of smirking while he talked about it being her body that was the problem, she refuted that because she's not an idiot despite what that doc might think, and at some point she raised an eyebrow and said, "what do you want, me to find another man?" And THAT'S when he lost his shit. The part I found most interesting was that he got ugly and she immediately and kind of quietly said, "Fuck you." He said "say that again and I'll leave and leave your ass here." And she immediately said again, and then a third time. But likely completely dead-pan and barely raised voice. I think he's an ass and she's stupid to stick with him, but I at least have hopes that she's strong enough not to be his next punching bag.

[Bryce Lynch]

1 hour ago, AZChristian said:

Cost of a sperm donor could be as low as a couple of margaritas at a nearby bar.  A better investment than either reversal or IVF, especially considering Josh doesn't even have enough money to set them up in an apartment.  

Better quality offspring at a much lower price.  Seems like a no-brainer. :)

[shockermolar]

3 hours ago, sconstant said:

And on the same channel, in succession, on Sunday nights.  The fertility doc thing was super edited, the missing step was clearly "hey, so instead of the reversal which may be costly and not work, why don't we do IVF to get those suckers out.  And now that we're talking IVF, we need to look at what's going on with the woman.

David is such a manipulative person, the way he manages his kids, his fiance, the interviews.  It's like he's creating his own reality and for no reason I can understand it's working for him.  Annie is 100% in on the joke, though.  They tell her to say "do children really talk to their parents this way?" as if Ashley was a child, and she gives a good line reading for them.  Feel bad for Jacob.

Totally a detail, but when Andrrrrrrei was saying goodbye to Elizabeth before her party, what was the "nose" comment?  It was so random.  I rewound twice and was still not sure whether this was (a) an inside joke, (b) bad captioning of some other comment, or (c) something I am totally missing.

Same. The first time she went up for the goodbye kiss she hit his nose. So he said nose, and she kissed him again. 

[John M]

10 minutes ago, AmyBre said:

2 - Stop picking ALL losers and pick a couple or two with actual chances of making it.    Please pick at least one mature couple that we can root for.

What mature couple would want their relationship splayed out on a trashy reality TV show? I have a great relationship but I'm sure with enough tape and needling by producers you could make both of us look like monsters on TV.

[Desert Rat]

10 hours ago, bethster2000 said:

LOL.  And I was just going to post that Josh is Typical Mesa, Arizona Trash.   Sometimes you just have to make those regional references.

The show is so fake because you know Josh doesn't hang out at those trendy east valley restaurants and coffee shops we see him frequent on the show.  I picture Josh being more at home in those trashy dives in central Mesa.  

Sorry Mesa Chamber of Commerce, but Josh is a typical Mesa guy. Mesa has two extremes. The clean cut, don't even drink coffee, Mormons on one hand, and the trashy, meth-head looking guys, who spend all their disposable income on tattoos and piercings. 

[LocalGovt]

11 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Why should she give up on it? She isn't even 40 yet and has several years' worth of good reproductive years left. 20 years ago, she would have been 16. I don't think having a child as a teenager is ideal to having one as an adult in her 30s. Perhaps she didn't meet anyone that she wanted to have children with. My mom was 41 when she had me.

I had my last at 41 (she was born in May, I turned 42 in August that year).  It can be done. :)

[AZChristian]

1 minute ago, Desert Rat said:

The show is so fake because you know Josh doesn't hang out at those trendy east valley restaurants and coffee shops we see him frequent on the show.  I picture Josh being more at home in those trashy dives in central Mesa.  

Sorry Mesa Chamber of Commerce, but Josh is a typical Mesa guy. Mesa has two extremes. The clean cut, don't even drink coffee, Mormons on one hand, and the trashy, meth-head looking guys, who spend all their disposable income on tattoos and piercings. 

I live in Mesa.  In a double-wide.  We are clean-cut, drink coffee, and are not Mormons.  Can we have a third classification?

[AmyBre]

Just now, John M said:

What mature couple would want their relationship splayed out on a trashy reality TV show? I have a great relationship but I'm sure with enough tape and needling by producers you could make both of us look like monsters on TV.

I think you are right, but some couples actually care for one another and have actually stayed together.  Think of Matt and Alla

[Saltgypsie]

3 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Yes, I was sitting there screaming at my TV while the fertility doctor was suggesting egg harvesting at 36. I had my oldest at 30 and my youngest at 38. It took me exactly one month to get pg with both. At 36, they should be trying naturally before undergoing IVF or AI. Methinks the doctor was more than willing to sell possibly unnecessary  services to someone who may not need them. 

Same here...

[LocalGovt]

4 hours ago, lucy711 said:

I agree with you to a point.  It is scientific fact that women's chances of becoming pregnant decrease with age, especially after 35, although certainly it can still happen.  But pretty much every woman in my family hits menopause by her early 40s, so there would be no way I'd be having a kid at 46.    It is important for women to be aware of the science behind it because there are women who think they have plenty of time and when they settle down in their late 30s suddenly can't get pregnant and are devastated, understandably.  Many of my friends are going through that, and in vitro doesn't always work and is expensive.  Having kids later in life works for many women, but it also doesn't work for many women.  Aika probably still could have a kid, but she shouldn't be wasting her time with a guy who has zero interest in it!

Only using your post as a jumping off point -- anyone considering parenthood later in life shouldn't be scared by the statistics, either. I've always hated how they make it sound like older moms are at higher risk of having kids with Down syndrome, etc.  Statistically, if you look at the numbers,  there are more babies born to younger women with this condition.  It just looks worse for older women because after 40, the rate of  women having children declines sharply, so, yeah, of course it's going to look like there's a higher chance of something like that. 

[Pepper Mostly]

48 minutes ago, magemaud said:

I think Evelyn is wearing her mother's wedding dress because of her love for everything "vintage" and not due to modesty or church guidelines. Pastor Tim's church and the nearby Claremont Christian School are Baptist, not some super strict fundie cult where she would need to be all covered up a la Duggar Bride. 

 

I posted upthread that that dress could conceivably be her grandma's dress, even. Her parents must have married in the 90's, GunneSax was seriously vintage then.  Maybe Evelyn got her love of vintage from her mother. And her church might not be hard core fundy, but some churches do expect a certain amount of "covering up", at least inside the sanctuary.

@poeticlicensed

"Yes, I was sitting there screaming at my TV while the fertility doctor was suggesting egg harvesting at 36. I had my oldest at 30 and my youngest at 38. It took me exactly one month to get pg with both. At 36, they should be trying naturally before undergoing IVF or AI. Methinks the doctor was more than willing to sell possibly unnecessary  services to someone who may not need them"

Does anyone smell season 2? The doc wants some exposure for her practice, and Aika and Josh need a storyline for season 2. Just stupid producer meddling, again. We see what you're doing!

[Bryce Lynch]

28 minutes ago, Desert Rat said:

The show is so fake because you know Josh doesn't hang out at those trendy east valley restaurants and coffee shops we see him frequent on the show.  I picture Josh being more at home in those trashy dives in central Mesa.  

Sorry Mesa Chamber of Commerce, but Josh is a typical Mesa guy. Mesa has two extremes. The clean cut, don't even drink coffee, Mormons on one hand, and the trashy, meth-head looking guys, who spend all their disposable income on tattoos and piercings. 

That sounds like the makings of a good reality show, "Meth-heads and Mormons"  I'd kind of like to see Aika engaged to a Mormon guy. :)

Edited December 11, 2017 by Bryce Lynch

[Zazie]

I really don't know if this show is fake -a little fake, a total fake- or real. But one think is real: my lack of comfortness. Buddha's witchcraft my favourite non-sense moment. 

[Cherrio]

2 hours ago, Chickabiddy said:

Is it just me or does this clip make Luis looked like deranged Muppet?  I'm thinking Elmo's psycho cousin from the DR. Someone please tell me if I am off base. 

I posted a couple of threads back, but he has always reminded me of a psycho Howdy Doody.   

 

[Pachengala]

4 hours ago, Chickabiddy said:

And I am not sure why there is so much blame on Aike for waiting to have babies. Sometimes, kids, life don't work out the way we hope.

This makes me want to share a little story--I'll keep it brief! I never expected to want children, but at 35 I decided I did. I'd spent my 30s enjoying a single life, cultivating my career, my friendships, and my passions, but wasn't in nor close to being in a relationship. I decided I would do it on my own, and set a three-year plan in motion to get my financials, body, and life in order for a baby. I also joined a single-mothers-by-choice group and spent A LOT of time grieving and putting to bed the idea of a loving relationship with a co-parent. 

Three years later, I'd actively started 'shopping sperm' and was ready to take the next step, when suddenly who turned out to be the love of my life, whom I'd known peripherally for almost ten years, rolled into my life out of nowhere, and now we have a three year old daughter and are getting ready to adopt a baby. That wasn't brief, sorry, but your post just resonated with me--things really do work out like they're going to, NOT the way we plan them. 

In other news, I have started FFing through Luis, David Poor, and Josh. Those storylines have gotten so dark I can't really even watch.

[OhIgetit]

12 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Why should she give up on it? She isn't even 40 yet and has several years' worth of good reproductive years left. 20 years ago, she would have been 16. I don't think having a child as a teenager is ideal to having one as an adult in her 30s. Perhaps she didn't meet anyone that she wanted to have children with. My mom was 41 when she had me.

Couldn’t agree more! The Philippines is a very religious country 90% Catholic, so I am pretty sure that for Aika having a baby out of wedlock was not an option.

[Adeejay]

5 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

This  is true except it's Aika we're talking about. The fact that she chose Josh shows that she didn't have a whole lot going on in the Phillipines. I still want to know her story. 

I'd like to know Aika's back story too.  She is arguably attractive and is fluent in English.  So, how did she end up with a man who is twice divorced, lives with roommates and by all appearance is eking out a living?  I don't think Aika is someone to be pitied. She seems calculating and manipulative.  I believe there is more to her than meets the eye.

[gunderda]

16 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Annie - David's crappy relationship with his kids has nothing to do with you. He deserted his family. His kids are pissed. David's daughter speaks truth. 

 

15 hours ago, CoachWristletJen said:

I don't agree with the way that Ashley acted. Her mistake was ever expecting David Pour to be a loving father. He just isn't. She'll never be important in his life. He's an alcoholic.

Annie did need to hear those things. It's not going to stop her because she doesn't plan to stay with him longer than it takes to get a green card anyway.

Again, Ashley, don't be an a$$hole.  Let Annie gold dig in peace!

I'm sure David was not a great father and I guess further down the line he was pretty awful hence not having a relationship with his son.  However it seems like he has been his daughters life.  He said he's the one that took her to doctor's appt when she was pregnant and Ashley even said he used to come over for dinners with her family (not sure if that includes a husband or just kids?)  And it sounds like there's maybe an issue with mom too?  Didn't Ashley say something like "and you just left him with mom!" 

And I feel bad for the son but it seems like Ashley is being a bitchy brat.  She's an adult, she has kids.  Her dad got the opportunity to have a new start in life and do it in Thailand and he said yes. Maybe she should blame what's his face for financing David's life the past 4 years otherwise he would have been home? When your kids are adults you can do whatever you want.  

[Granny58]

53 minutes ago, AmyBre said:

I think you are right, but some couples actually care for one another and have actually stayed together.  Think of Matt and Alla

and Libby and Andrrrrei do truly seem to love each other.  And his machismo is appealing to her (and, yes, me).

[Kath94]

2 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

I was riveted by posterboy fuckboi Luis's ability to pivot and completely derail Molly. 

Molly not buying Luis sudden inability to follow English: "you can say make me some chicken. You know how to say, make me a SANDWICH"

I died a little inside.

 

My husband, who normally won't be in the same room as I am when watching this trash, overheard the "Make me a sandwich" line & immediately baited me with it.  Then thought better of it & admitted that I had better NOT make him a sandwich!  Hee!

[gingerella]

Re: Luis and his gaslighting, yes he is a fucking psycho and needs to be deported immediamente. But re: his religious beliefs...there are I think at least 3 main types of voodoo in DR - one is Haitian (which is more organized with rules, regs and so on), the Dominican Voodoo is more loosey goosey and depends on the practitioner. And then there is something that is closer akin to Santeria - which marries Catholicism and Voodoo together, which is why you see Catholic deities on those tall glass cylinder candles you get in a bodega.  So I'm sure the references he was making were from one of those three beliefs, but obviously he's been trying to extricate himself from this situation for weeks now, through his shitty behavior towards the kids, or through his lazy assing around the house, or his shitty attitude in general. This was his last straw, the one he knew would push her over the edge and send his ass packing. He probably doesn't have a return plane ticket so he has to figure a way for her to ship him back. He's a scary PoS.

Re: Aika waiting so long...the Philipines is a devoutly Catholic country and unlike in some Latin America countries where they preach a good game about premarital sex and you have a high rate of teen pregnancies, in the Philipines being an unwed mother is something extremely shameful and stigmatizing. That said, if she was a former sex worker, she's likely spent most of her adult life trying to prevent herself from becoming pregnant, since she would be an unwed mother (assuming others didn't know she was a sex worker, which we dont know, do we?). Anyway, I just figured she'd taken a long time to hook a dude who'd actually follow through and bring her over and now she wants an anchor baby pronto. Alot of foreign men tell these Asian women they'll bring them home, but they're usually already married and cheating on their spouses so they just string along these women as long as they can with return visits, but never bringing them to the US, so the ones that actually make it here (Annie, Aika)  I'm sure they've been through this game many, many times before we see them on this show.

[Desert Rat]

1 hour ago, AZChristian said:

I live in Mesa.  In a double-wide.  We are clean-cut, drink coffee, and are not Mormons.  Can we have a third classification?

Of course. With a half a million people in Mesa, my remarks were a gross over generalization.  However, you must admit that Mesa has more than its fair share of Josh-types and Mormons. People disparage where I live, Ahwatukee, calling it "All-white-tukee", which of course it's not, but almost. 

[funky-rat]

17 hours ago, PityFree said:

ETA:  Someone please explain to me why Molly—the woman who owns a specialty bra fitting shop—is walking around with her white bra hanging out of the back of her open back red shirt. 

So much this. The only thing I could think of is that she either wore a smock at work that covered it, or she wore something completely different, and just threw that on to come home.  Her clothing is usually ill-fitting and butt ugly, but that was beyond anything else she wore thusfar.

17 hours ago, Miss Chevious said:

Why do Libby & Andrrrrei feel the need to be in contact with each other during her night out for her bachelorette party? It's just one night, people. The whole phone thing was ridiculous.

5 hours ago, shannew said:

Elizabeth is messy, she likes to play both sides against one another.   And also enjoys getting permission from Andrei about going out, and even what to wear. It's like she gets off on it.

16 hours ago, liammaam said:

Assholes, and WOO WOO girls.  I hate woo woo girls.  

I  think he just wanted her to check in now and again to be sure she was safe.  She was out with a bunch of drunken morons bedecked with endless crap covered with male genetalia (I hate that crap - how old are you, 13?),  with no men in sight for safety.  Plus, she didn't seem to be too thrilled about this night, and perhaps he was giving her an "out" if she got fed up.  As for the outfit thing, I think that was her choice to do so, and I'm not so sure it was forced.  I ask my husband's opinion of stuff when I'm packing.  Granted, he's usually with me, but still.......

 

17 hours ago, Miss Chevious said:

If having children was so important to Aika why the hell did she wait till she's 36 to find someone to marry? She acts like she's never heard of a woman's biological clock before. What the hell was she doing in her twenties? There wasn't a single man in the Philippines (or anywhere else) that wasn't a suitable mate? 

16 hours ago, Awfarmington said:

Yeah, that seemed a little much. I know 36 isn't a spring chicken but it's not that old to conceive. There are many women that wait until they've focused on their careers first before becoming pregnant, second marriages, and other valid reasons to have a baby a bit later. 

16 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

I'm sorry, what woman doesn't know that fertility decreases with age. Why is,Aika looking so shocked? 

I went to school with some people from the Philippines.  They were all related to a doctor that practiced at our local hospital.  They established themselves here, and then he started bringing his brothers and sisters and their families over.  This was during the Ferdinand Marcos times.  I learned after a while not to get close to any of them because they were gone in one school year - they'd stay for a few months and then move on.  They told me that motherhood and babies were highly valued in their society.  Also, divorce is generally not an option, so that could be why she hung out for so long before grabbing Josh.  I also think she looked shocked because the doctor greatly overblew their situation.

 

16 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I felt rage in my heart at Luis' laughter. Actual rage. 

Yep.  I have no patience for mental abuse.

 

16 hours ago, brillia79 said:

IVF is about $30,000 each try.

It's never gonna happen.

Some insurances will cover a round or two.  Whether Josh has insurance remains to be seen.

 

15 hours ago, Forum member said:

Having no vasectomy experience, I'd have to think there's some sperm lurking in his balls. Could they shove a needle in there and extract some without doing a reversal?

13 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

Fun fact, Aika, a  man who has had a vasectomy is no less a man, no damage to manhood. I should know, my husband had one about 15 years ago.  

My husband had one too.  We had a heck of a time finding a doctor who would do it because we never had kids, but when he was pushing 40, we found one.  He was understanding that I was advised to not even try to get pregnant due to great health risks, and that my husband's first reaction wasn't to leave me for someone who he could get pregnant.  But you'd be amazed at how many men out there still think that it affects their bedroom life, and I've run in to one recently who actually believed they castrate you (he grew up on a farm with an 8th grade education, but still....), and how many men believe that their manhood is directly tied to ho many babies they can put in to the world (and many times, not care for or pay for).  And yes, they can extract from him for IVF - the vasectomy doesn't prevent the body from making swimmers - it just prevents them from coming out.  After a few days, they die, and the body absorbs them, and it starts all over - no different than if a guy goes a few days without any "release".

14 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Stwwwwwwwokkkkkke za peeeeeeeenis!

Dr Ruth still cracks me up. She’s still around!  I loved how frankly she speaks about it, very comfortable with asking questions anyone else would likely be embarrassed to ask or answer...

Dr. Sue is the Canadian version (I was a big Degrassi Jr High fan in the 80's, and that's where I discovered her).

 

12 hours ago, magemaud said:

Ashley-Snooki said he often "hooked up with prostitutes." Maybe Chris also paid for them. 

Or shared them with him......

Edited December 11, 2017 by funky-rat

[sasha206]

2 hours ago, AnnaL said:

Just some very cynical thoughts :/

Could we stop pretending that anything that Ashley said to Annie would make any difference? 

Annie is not an innocent victim who is going into this blind by love, she is a very practical woman who found her ticket to America via a loser like David. She doesn't care that he is an awful human being, a horrible father, a cheater and someone who hangs around prostitutes, word around is that this is exactly how he met Annie. Annie is going to make this work for the 2-3 years that is required before she can divorce him and then hopefully she will find another sucker (with more resources) and move on. 

The only reason why she is pretending IMO that she is so "shocked" by all this is because she knows it build a better case for her to divorce him sooner claiming some kind of abuse. 

Annie knows this is a game, she is playing it like a pro. No feelings involved here. The only feelings she has is probably rage that her first victim (older rich guy) didn't want to marry her and now she has to endure this guy who she is so repulsed by. She never thought that the Green Card would demand so much work and humiliation, but alas it is what it is. 

Ashley could tell Annie that her father is an alien with three heads and she would still marry him. Still absolutely zero justification for Ashley for such scenes. Right time, right place.

My only hope in this whole circus is that Annie still has a soft spot on her callous heart and she doesn't bring a child into the mix. That would be inexcusable. 

 

I completely agree.  However, there is a part of me that feels sorry for anyone who feels they need to glom onto some awful loser like David to escape her circumstances.  

[Cherrio]

13 minutes ago, gunderda said:

When your kids are adults you can do whatever you want.  

Yes, but it doesn't mean they have to welcome him back, be nice or spend time with him.  What you do or don't do as a parent will usually determine how you are treated.

I bet his son would of benefited with some money instead of a rolls of bahts and a buffalo.

Does he owe child support? Is that why he waited to come back?

Taking someone to a doctor's appointment a few times doesn't make someone a father.

[sasha206]

What the fuck is it with Libby's awful sisters and the need to get "wild" to have a good time.  You can't just go out and act like normal people?  

[PityFree]

2 hours ago, Indy USAF said:

I don't understand all the Josh hate?  Someone called him a deadbeat dad, but I haven't heard of any Davidpoor craziness with his kids?  Yeah...he's 99% full of shit and ridiculously immature to think that he can make this work with Aika with his lack of resources, but he's certainly not the first man to make major life decisions with his little head!  I just see him as a broke Matt (Matt/Alla).  He doesn't seem like an asshole to me?  Yeah...he promised Aika a bunch of BS, but he atleast got her here and lined her up to snag someone better off!  He will have improved her life greatly in the long run!  She just won't be with him. 

If you want to learn how he treats (or does not treat) his kids, go to the Josh and Aika thread. He’s no prize.

[Nowhere]

16 hours ago, liammaam said:

Assholes, and WOO WOO girls.  I hate woo woo girls.  

The woo girl is the female equivalent of a douche bag and I hate them too. 

15 hours ago, Forum member said:

For everyone who hates Luis, let him marry Molly. That's punishment. 

Molly says her job is not to take care of Luis. Well his job is not to take care of Molly's kids 24/7 like a slave. She says, "I don't need to do anything except take care of my kids." Correct, Molly. It's not the job of your new houseboy. I really dislike both Molly and Luis. She is no better than him, imo. They just have two different ideas about what this relationship is. They make each other worse, not better. Both may be good partners with anyone else. 

[ava111]

I'm still catching up on the last two episodes since I spent a week in a hospital but I just have to say that when they were in the restaurant and Azan said he will go to America that was the first time he had some light and happiness in his eyes. Although it could be that he was just happy Nikole was going home the next day.

Evelyn, dear, I had that red/white striped sweater with buttons on shoulder in the 80's. I guess it must be from second second secondhand store. 

Off to finish the second half of the episode.

Edited December 11, 2017 by ava111