S02.E07: Viva La Mexico

[nexxie]

9 hours ago, Texasmom1970 said:

We get it Cary you and Mark cannot stay off each other. I do not believe that shit at all. They act like a couple who does not even like each other enough to sleep in the same room. I think she is trying to make her marriage sound better by constantly talking about their abundant sex life.

I wish someone would respond to those claims by saying, "Bless your heart Cary, how could you not notice that Mark is a creep?"

[Jel]

Cary makes their frequent sex almost sound like a chore though.

About Stephanie's kid. Honestly, I think there might be more there than dyslexia. The way a learning disability is diagnosed here in Canada (at schools anyway) is the kid's IQ is tested, and if it falls in the normal range or higher the psychologist finds a learning disability because a kid with an IQ in the average range of higher should be able to handle the school work. The disparity between normal IQ and abnormally low school work performance is what gets the diagnosis of LD (they delve deeper of course, to identify the exact areas, but in a nutshell, that's what it is, and a below average IQ renders a different diagnosis).  A large percentage of kids with learning disabilities (including dyslexia) have above average IQs, many are intellectually gifted.  Learning disabilities and developmental delays or intellectual disabilities are not the same thing, (Intellectual disability  is the new term for "mental retardation").  A diagnosis of dyslexia at such a young age is unusual, as it's usually only officially diagnosed later, like age 9 or so.

In the Uk, they call intellectual disability "learning disability", which is totally different from how North Americans define it, creating confusion.  

[dosodog]

2 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

Admittedly, I don't recall all of the details of her fight with Marie but I believe it was Leanne just being verbal and not hands on threatening. Given that Leanne made such a scene with Marie and to my knowledge, Marie is alive and well since the incident - that should make them more inclined to not take it literally. It doesn't make Leanne's behaviour and anger issues any more acceptable but the majority of them don't deal with confrontation in a healthy way either (admittedly, Leanne deals with it the worst). Leanne wants to be intimidating when confronted because she doesn't like people to think she's weak. Stephanie likes to be passive aggressive unless she's with the right group of people then she'll chime in and speak her mind. Brandi is either in your face with no qualms about it or if she's the one that's super hurt from someone, she ices you out. Cary is condescending. She thinks that the others aren't smart enough to figure out when she's insulting them and when she gets called out for it she pretends that that wasn't what she was doing. I can't tell with D'Andra just yet as she hasn't needed to have a confrontation with any of the other women just yet. Kameron is annoying but she's the only one who has managed to address a qualm she's had straight on without losing her temper or being condescending (though her THs are pretty condescending). But she likes to beat a dead horse so she's still not great at managing confrontation either, lol.

BOOM!  Drop the mic.  (You forgot that part ;) ).

Thank you.  For me, you hit the nail on the head. 

[TexasGal]

11 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Yeah it made me think she should have listened to Cary.

Um, yep.  And didn't Brandi previously say that something was wrong with her tummy tuck - they pulled the muscles too tight or something?  When she and her husband were meeting with her "vaj doctor" or fertility doctor or whatever.

I swear, it's not harder to say OB/GYN than vaj doctor.  Why?  I never need to hear that term again.

[Hibiscus28]

Does anyone know if the flesh eating bacteria Leeann ends up getting later this season is tied to the surgery she had on this episode?

[TexasGal]

15 minutes ago, Hibiscus28 said:

Does anyone know if the flesh eating bacteria Leeann ends up getting later this season is tied to the surgery she had on this episode?

Wow, I hadn't heard anything about this.  I googled and it seems she had that in December.  If they are showing things to us in order, she got engaged in late September/October (that's when the State Fair is open).  So if the surgery was shortly after that it seems like it probably isn't related.

[red12]

Travis looks like someone beat up Dean Cain and put makeup on him to cover the bruises. But the swelling is still there.

[Juliegirlj]

If Leanne had surgery in late fall and contracted a flesh eating bacterial infection in early December, it could definitely be related. Dr True is a board certified OB/GYN and a Cosmetic Surgeon- not the same as a board certified plastic surgeon. These docs that open one stop shop practices are not a great idea in my opinion. Yes, Cary was openly critical of Leanne having a major procedure by a physician not board certified, and she is correct in her assessment, however, it may have been better to privately offer Leanne a referral to a board certified surgeon. 

Not buying Cary and Mark's storyline at all. If Cary did want to be at home with her kid, perhaps she should have done so before she began preschool and is about to start kindergarten. Seems fake. 

If I were these ladies I would refuse to travel or film with Ms Locken. She has a history of violence and has proven herself to be mentally unbalanced. The crazy is real with this one. 

Anyone wishing to get cosmetic procedures certainly has that right, but, talk of vaginal rejuvenation surgery sounds almost like mutilation. Every vagina is as unique as is every woman- why do these women think they have to look a certain way to be acceptable? I've never heard any man complain that his woman's vagina was unattractive-and unless there is an actual medical reason necessitating the surgery, it seems kind of strange to be having it. 

[Diane Mars]

On 26/09/2017 at 7:08 PM, Scottish Girl said:

Stephanie.  Wtf?  I have five children , so I don't know everything,  but I know children, in general. Her little guy is very far behind. His speech sounded delayed. I understand not knowing if your kiddo is dyslexic or any other specific learning issue until they start school, but he doesn't even have a clue about the alphabet. How could she not know he didn't? Even if she employed a nanny, wouldn't THEY have noticed? His daddy? I just thought it was really weird. Okay, mommy shaming over.

Dyspraxia could match....

[NeverLate]

6 hours ago, Hibiscus28 said:

Does anyone know if the flesh eating bacteria Leeann ends up getting later this season is tied to the surgery she had on this episode?

It wouldn't surprise me one bit! 

One shop fits all, not good imo

[eclectcmoi]

Cary sure can give some major stink eye, but I think in Mark's case, it's deserved.  I'd be majorly pissed if my husband were talking about me so disrespectfully to our office staff.  There's an underlying meanness to Mark and it's way too easy for him to be so controlling and verbally abusive. I don't think this is all faked for TV.  It feels way too real to me and brings out my fight or flight instincts. If Cary is backing away to gain more control for herself and her daughter, I say good for her. 

Kameron... don't worry honey... there is no chance in hell of anyone ever taking you seriously.  

Just a prediction, but I don't think this Mexico trip will even come close to comparing to the fun (and great TV watching!) of the NY howives when they were in Mexico. 

[Barb23]

I'm sure this was just to add to the drama, but I found it ironic that Cary was at a gun range when Brandi called her to discuss Leeann's threats.  I'm thinking  it was all Bravo's doing coming up with the gun range idea in the first place.  So now we found out that Cary is a good shot at the same time she finds out she is being threatened by Leeann  & Cary did much better at the range than Mark.  Just more Bravo made up drama.

Talking about flesh eating bacteria, I hope Stephanie didn't catch anything from being pushed in that pool.

[nexxie]

What's with Kameron's weird lip pursing?! At first I thought she was kidding around but I guess not. wtf 

[LilaFowler]

I looked at Cary's instagram. She posted pics of herself at work regularly during the time they were filming this season. I believe the whole story line with Mark is fake for the show, but I'm no Detective Meghan King Edmonds.

[Sapphire]

15 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

I looked at Cary's instagram. She posted pics of herself at work regularly during the time they were filming this season. I believe the whole story line with Mark is fake for the show, but I'm no Detective Meghan King Edmonds.

I guess my question is what does Mark have to gain by making himself out to be an enormous asshole on reality TV? Does he really not care about his reputation?

(He might not.)

[Sweet-tea]

On 9/26/2017 at 0:00 PM, Thumper said:

So cute!  Her current eyebrows make my face hurt.  :-)

I think she looks better here. I don't like the overly arched Botox brows that are so popular with some women, especially celebrities. It makes them look harsh and/or angry... or just fake. I get Botox sometimes but only enough to open my eyes a bit. I specify that I do not want the really high brows. 

I don't really like Cary's either. Hers aren't as bad as Brandi's but she still looks a little hard to me. 

[Noire]

8 hours ago, red12 said:

Travis looks like someone beat up Dean Cain and put makeup on him to cover the bruises. But the swelling is still there.

 *screaming*

[princelina]

15 hours ago, Jel said:

Cary makes their frequent sex almost sound like a chore though.

About Stephanie's kid. Honestly, I think there might be more there than dyslexia. The way a learning disability is diagnosed here in Canada (at schools anyway) is the kid's IQ is tested, and if it falls in the normal range or higher the psychologist finds a learning disability because a kid with an IQ in the average range of higher should be able to handle the school work. The disparity between normal IQ and abnormally low school work performance is what gets the diagnosis of LD (they delve deeper of course, to identify the exact areas, but in a nutshell, that's what it is, and a below average IQ renders a different diagnosis).  A large percentage of kids with learning disabilities (including dyslexia) have above average IQs, many are intellectually gifted.  Learning disabilities and developmental delays or intellectual disabilities are not the same thing, (Intellectual disability  is the new term for "mental retardation").  A diagnosis of dyslexia at such a young age is unusual, as it's usually only officially diagnosed later, like age 9 or so.

In the Uk, they call intellectual disability "learning disability", which is totally different from how North Americans define it, creating confusion.  

The terms they use in the US also vary - from state to state, and from year to year.  And "learning disability" is popular now as a catch-all PC term for all types of things.  I can see where Stephanie thought that her first son was doing okay so she told her second son to "work harder", especially if the teachers were sugar-coating the problems he had.  So no need to feel super guilty - but good to realize that being super lax while day drinking with her friend was not the right way to act.

 

9 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

If Leanne had surgery in late fall and contracted a flesh eating bacterial infection in early December, it could definitely be related. Dr True is a board certified OB/GYN and a Cosmetic Surgeon- not the same as a board certified plastic surgeon. These docs that open one stop shop practices are not a great idea in my opinion. Yes, Cary was openly critical of Leanne having a major procedure by a physician not board certified, and she is correct in her assessment, however, it may have been better to privately offer Leanne a referral to a board certified surgeon. 

Yes - if Cary had real concerns she could have done better with them than to smirk to their friends that Leeanne was getting boob surgery from a vag doctor.  Cary is my least favorite of these hos because I still think she is a stealth bitch.  And for the record I think Leeanne is a crazy bitch, and Kameron makes me want to vomit on my shoes.

[MrsWitter]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

 And for the record I think Leeanne is a crazy bitch, and Kameron makes me want to vomit on my shoes.

But are they pink shoes?

[KikiBda]

On 26 September 2017 at 3:48 PM, nexxie said:

That house must be an investment - ugly house in a nice neighborhood - drop a million in redesign and pick up three or four on the flip. Hideous kitchen!

It's not even a nice area...I saw a highway/road and skyscraper building where the pool and pond is.  

[nexxie]

10 minutes ago, KikiBda said:

It's not even a nice area...I saw a highway/road and skyscraper building where the pool and pond is.  

It's probably at the edge of a premium area - Kameron lives in the neighborhood.

[RedheadZombie]

22 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

If Leanne had surgery in late fall and contracted a flesh eating bacterial infection in early December, it could definitely be related. Dr True is a board certified OB/GYN and a Cosmetic Surgeon- not the same as a board certified plastic surgeon. These docs that open one stop shop practices are not a great idea in my opinion. Yes, Cary was openly critical of Leanne having a major procedure by a physician not board certified, and she is correct in her assessment, however, it may have been better to privately offer Leanne a referral to a board certified surgeon. 

Not buying Cary and Mark's storyline at all. If Cary did want to be at home with her kid, perhaps she should have done so before she began preschool and is about to start kindergarten. Seems fake. 

If I were these ladies I would refuse to travel or film with Ms Locken. She has a history of violence and has proven herself to be mentally unbalanced. The crazy is real with this one. 

Anyone wishing to get cosmetic procedures certainly has that right, but, talk of vaginal rejuvenation surgery sounds almost like mutilation. Every vagina is as unique as is every woman- why do these women think they have to look a certain way to be acceptable? I've never heard any man complain that his woman's vagina was unattractive-and unless there is an actual medical reason necessitating the surgery, it seems kind of strange to be having it. 

Vaginal rejuvenation isn't about reducing the clitoris, or prettying up the labia.  It's about tightening the vagina and it's opening.  Don't get me started on women grooming by porn, and then having unnecessary surgery to make their genitals prettier.  I already went on a rant in the OC thread.

17 hours ago, Sapphire said:

I guess my question is what does Mark have to gain by making himself out to be an enormous asshole on reality TV? Does he really not care about his reputation?

(He might not.)

Well, Terry Dubrow had nothing to gain by calling his two year old a bitch. 

[yourmomiseasy]

On 9/26/2017 at 5:32 AM, bichonblitz said:

Her eyebrows are too arched and practically up to her hairline! My Dr. calls that the Dr. Spock look  which results from too much botox and he refuses to do it to his patients. Maybe that was included in Brandi's "mommy makeover". 

 

And her wigs! They look like those cheap synthetic wigs Sherri Shepard sells on QVC. Momma has enough money to buy herself some good wigs

I think it's possible she's also gone a little heavy on the fillers and that's what made her eyes disappear.  

 

On 9/26/2017 at 7:26 PM, Texasmom1970 said:

We get it Cary you and Mark cannot stay off each other. I do not believe that shit at all. They act like a couple who does not even like each other enough to sleep in the same room. I think she is trying to make her marriage sound better by constantly talking about their abundant sex life.

I believe it, but the sex isn't about sex it's about propping up Mark's ego.  His hot wife that he was able to attract and get to marry him has sex with him all the time, isn't he the desirable man.  As someone said above, Cary is just a trophy of his manhood and desirability, not a person.

Cary and Zuri in their matching workout gear was adorable.

Edited September 28, 2017 by yourmomiseasy

[bichonblitz]

17 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

Cary and Zuri in their matching workout gear was adorable.

That was really cute. You can see Cary really wants to take the time to enjoy motherhood.  If her husband doesn't understand that, then the hell with him. 

[LilaFowler]

18 hours ago, Sapphire said:

I guess my question is what does Mark have to gain by making himself out to be an enormous asshole on reality TV? Does he really not care about his reputation?

(He might not.)

I don't think anyone who goes on reality tv really cares about his/her reputation. It's all pretty trashy, IMO. Terry Dubrow on RHOC called his 4-year-old daughter a bitch and still has a thriving career. I guess they figure that any exposure is good exposure? It's also possible that this dynamic between him and Cary is normal to them and they have no idea how it all comes across to others. Who knows...

[MrsWitter]

I am perhaps way too invested in this, but it seems like Leanne had her surgery in mid-late November, as they referred to the surgery as recent (and it clearly was, hence the compact) during the Mexico trip.  Browsing Instagram, it seems they left for Mexico on Dec. 4.  In her interviews, Leanne said her flesh-eating bacteria occurred in "Early December."  I would be shocked if it had no relation to her surgery.  I know my reduction/lift might have been more involved and everyone heals differently, but my wounds were not fully closed until eight weeks after my surgery. I was out and about, but I still had bandaging in select areas.  And Leanne's  infection came, at most, three weeks after her surgery. It seems improbable that they were unrelated.

 

Of course, Leeann is never going to diss Dr. True- a quick perusal of his Facebook shows that not only is she his patient, but she's also a practice "spokesperson." She is all over their Facebook and obviously gets something out of it- whether money or free work.  Of course she wasn't going to go somewhere else!

 

Ok, now I do feel Meghan King Edmonds level obsessive.

[MrsWitter]

Oh, and speaking of internet research/stalking, Kameron's "Sparkle Dog" food has come to fruition! It is now being sold on Amazon and at Vanderpump Pets (why Lisa V is giving this woman any exposure or legitimation is a mystery to me). 

 

Apparently, Princess Pink decided to not make the food ALL pink, so it's brown kibble mixed with pink kibble, which as she tells it, makes the pink pop even more!  The pink comes courtesy of Red#3, an ingredient known to cause cancer in lab rats.  But she says it has to be pink because she's raising money for the Komen Foundation. So she's fighting breast cancer by giving dogs a dose of cancer-causing dye with every meal.  Smart blondes get everything, y'all!

[ghoulina]

28 minutes ago, MrsWitter said:

I am perhaps way too invested in this, but it seems like Leanne had her surgery in mid-late November, as they referred to the surgery as recent (and it clearly was, hence the compact) during the Mexico trip.  Browsing Instagram, it seems they left for Mexico on Dec. 4.  In her interviews, Leanne said her flesh-eating bacteria occurred in "Early December."  I would be shocked if it had no relation to her surgery.

I don't know what they're going to do in Mexico, but is it possible she could have acquired it THERE? From engaging in activities she wasn't cleared for yet? (I'm thinking water activities.)

[MrsWitter]

5 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I don't know what they're going to do in Mexico, but is it possible she could have acquired it THERE? From engaging in activities she wasn't cleared for yet? (I'm thinking water activities.)

Yes, I thought so too. Usually, post surgery you avoid (unnecessary) water until you're completely healed. Heck, when I got a piercing in my ear they told me to avoid pools for a month! I have to think the combo of Dr. True's work and pools/water sports in Mexico is not the best!

[Neurochick]

On September 26, 2017 at 1:33 AM, Hello Lady said:

Leeanne seems very fake to me. She's so overly dramatic about everything. I think half of its an act with her.,

Cary, get the hell out of there, and take Zuri with you! Mark is trying to be as cruel as possible,  it's like a test. How long will she put up with my BS test. Money isn't worth it, losing your power to a man like that. Move on! 

Brandi is strange, but I don't mind her. Stephanie is okay as well, but that butt ugly house has to be the worst thing for Travis to buy. Dogs, small kids, yeah that's a real family house Travis, another dork with too much money! 

I laughed when Leann was talking about Cary; couldn't have happened to a nicer person.  Cary's like that kid in school who teases people because they think it's funny and when someone smacks the shit out of them, they cry "VICTIM," However,  Leann reminds me of girls I knew in school who would say, "I'm gonna kick that bitches ass," a million times a week but never did it.

I don't feel sorry about Cary at all because she wanted Mark, she wanted that $$$ so that's what she's got.  

Brandi stirs the shit, she was talking shit about LeAnne and then pretending to be her friend.  Why did she feel the need to tell Cary what LeAnne said?  What a witch.

Sometimes I feel sorry for Mark, being married to that shrew.

But I do believe what LeAnne said about Mark getting his dick sucked.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Neurochick

[ShawnaLanne]

2 hours ago, Neurochick said:

I laughed when Leann was talking about Cary; couldn't have happened to a nicer person.  Cary's like that kid in school who teases people because they think it's funny and when someone smacks the shit out of them, they cry "VICTIM," However,  Leann reminds me of girls I knew in school who would say, "I'm gonna kick that bitches ass," a million times a week but never did it.

I don't feel sorry about Cary at all because she wanted Mark, she wanted that $$$ so that's what she's got.  

Brandi stirs the shit, she was talking shit about LeAnne and then pretending to be her friend.  Why did she feel the need to tell Cary what LeAnne said?  What a witch.

Sometimes I feel sorry for Mark, being married to that shrew.

But I do believe what LeAnne said about Mark getting his dick sucked.

I do if for  no other reason than her  talking about how much they fuck. With their schedules, lack of chemistry, and anger at each other they probably f*ck less than once a month,...  Only people who are trying to cover for something talk up crap like that in the way Cary does.               

[princelina]

21 hours ago, MrsWitter said:

But are they pink shoes?

Often they are!  My latest treasure are dusty rose colored velvet flats from Nordstrom Rack :). But I'm able to be a fan of pink while still speaking in a grown-up voice!  hee hee

[RedheadZombie]

8 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

That was really cute. You can see Cary really wants to take the time to enjoy motherhood.  If her husband doesn't understand that, then the hell with him. 

And the fact that Zuri was so familiar with the yoga moves proves Cary truly is spending a lot of time with her child.  And Cary is impressively strong, with Zuri hanging from one of her legs during a pose.

Wasn't Cary's and Mark's dream to move to Zurich?  Is that where Zuri's name originated?

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I do if for  no other reason than her  talking about how much they fuck. With their schedules, lack of chemistry, and anger at each other they probably f*ck less than once a month,...  Only people who are trying to cover for something talk up crap like that in the way Cary does.               

I didn't believe Cary and Mark had sex at least once a day last season, but I do this one.  It's clear Cary is not enjoying these encounters.  And if Mark has a sex addiction going on, I can see him seeking out others when his wife balks at more than once a day.  Mark seems like he may be sexually fluid, and an addict is not very picky about where they find their fix.  I'm not claiming he has an addiction, but if he really was on her twice or more a day, he's either an addict, or abusing Viagra.

I believed Leanne's claims at first because people can be more honest under the influence.  But they can also become more braggadocious, like when Leanne goes off on her violent threats, but has yet to physically assault the cast.  So with the help of her pre-op drugs, she may have turned a rumor into a fact.  If it's so important to Mark to appear strictly heterosexual in Dallas society, I find it hard to believe he's out swinging so openly. 

I realize my statements are a bit contradictory.  I guess I'm not sure what I believe.

[NeverLate]

10 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

That was really cute. You can see Cary really wants to take the time to enjoy motherhood.  If her husband doesn't understand that, then the hell with him. 

Say what you want about Cary, she loves that little girl she loves being a mum..thumbs up Cary! :)

Edited September 29, 2017 by Hello Lady

[MrsWitter]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

Often they are!  My latest treasure are dusty rose colored velvet flats from Nordstrom Rack :). But I'm able to be a fan of pink while still speaking in a grown-up voice!  hee hee

Those sound beautiful, Princelina!  I love all the dusty rose this season.  I understand the urge, but please don't vomit on them!  ;-)

[MrsWitter]

On 9/27/2017 at 8:18 PM, nexxie said:

What's with Kameron's weird lip pursing?! At first I thought she was kidding around but I guess not. wtf 

While I hated when she did it to Meghan on OC, I kinda want Peggy to grab Kameron's lips.

 

 

[nexxie]

Ha! Thank-you MrsWitter - that cracked me up!

[WhoaWhoKnew]

This has been a very informative thread. I had always thought a cosmetic surgeon and plastic surgeon were the same thing!

[Baltimore Betty]

I am finally watching this episode...Cary should run for her life.  Mark is disgusting, he is worried what random people will be thinking when they come to his practice and don't see her there?  

Whats her name with the indoor pool (at the front door? Who built that house?) and her husband, first of all, they have small children and that pool needs a fence as does the outside pool, why don't they put something like a floor over that pool? Safety should come before her idiotic husband's wants.  

Leanne, why do you need your bestie in your exam, seems like all the howives do this.  The crazy whispering behind closed doors must have made the producers pee in their pants laughing. Maybe Cary keeps coming for Leanne is because Leanne puts little nuggets out there like Mark gets BJ's on the regular at a bar. 

I learned that there is a prayer for getting your boobs done!  

[Juliegirlj]

In the preview they are laughing about one of the men supposedly having the smallest manhood. Seems to be either Deandra's man or Leanne's fiancée. Wonder if it's true, and if so, how do they know about it?! Or is it Cary attempting to get revenge for Leanne's comments about Mark getting BJ's from dudes? 

[ShawnaLanne]

13 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I didn't believe Cary and Mark had sex at least once a day last season, but I do this one.  It's clear Cary is not enjoying these encounters.  And if Mark has a sex addiction going on, I can see him seeking out others when his wife balks at more than once a day.  Mark seems like he may be sexually fluid, and an addict is not very picky about where they find their fix.  I'm not claiming he has an addiction, but if he really was on her twice or more a day, he's either an addict, or abusing Viagra.

I believed Leanne's claims at first because people can be more honest under the influence.  But they can also become more braggadocious, like when Leanne goes off on her violent threats, but has yet to physically assault the cast.  So with the help of her pre-op drugs, she may have turned a rumor into a fact.  If it's so important to Mark to appear strictly heterosexual in Dallas society, I find it hard to believe he's out swinging so openly. 

I realize my statements are a bit contradictory.  I guess I'm not sure what I believe.

I followed your reasoning. Good post.

[RHJunkie]

14 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I didn't believe Cary and Mark had sex at least once a day last season, but I do this one.  It's clear Cary is not enjoying these encounters.  And if Mark has a sex addiction going on, I can see him seeking out others when his wife balks at more than once a day.  Mark seems like he may be sexually fluid, and an addict is not very picky about where they find their fix.  I'm not claiming he has an addiction, but if he really was on her twice or more a day, he's either an addict, or abusing Viagra.

I believed Leanne's claims at first because people can be more honest under the influence.  But they can also become more braggadocious, like when Leanne goes off on her violent threats, but has yet to physically assault the cast.  So with the help of her pre-op drugs, she may have turned a rumor into a fact.  If it's so important to Mark to appear strictly heterosexual in Dallas society, I find it hard to believe he's out swinging so openly. 

I realize my statements are a bit contradictory.  I guess I'm not sure what I believe.

This is what I used to believe as well about any closeted individual - I used to always think that if someone wanted to hide it so vehemently, surely they would find the most intensely discreet ways to fulfill themselves, if they in fact chose to indulge in their desires at all. But how many times have we seen closeted politicians, priests, etc. get caught in the most non-discreet ways? I'm inclined to think that to deny something so inherent about yourself must take quite the toll on someone and the longer you do it, perhaps the more prone you are to being sloppy at times. Nobody is getting caught because of top secret surveillance or private investigators. People often get outed because they frequent 'common' places that are known to be discreet or 'hush hush'. The problem is, the more people talk about it, the more people know of these places and what goes on...and the more discreet it becomes.

While I wouldn't be surprised if Mark was gay, sexually fluid or even a sex addict, I'm not trying to insinuate that Leanne is totally telling the truth. I'm just saying that it's not so crazy to think that Mark wouldn't occasionally frequent gay spots just because he's trying to hide the fact he's attracted to men.

[Sage47]

It was creepy at the gun range when Cary and Mark were "joking" about shooting each other. The look on D'Andra's face (and mine).....

Cary is very sweet with Zuri, I loved the matching outfits too. I think she is only now talking about staying home with her daughter because their marriage is in trouble.

In the early days, Cary just wanted to please him and probably was in love with him (I can hardly write that without a wave of nausea) and wanted to be by his side all day. But over time after having Zuri and seeing what a horrible person he really is, I think she is over him and trying to slowly and gently get out of the relationship. But she knows this guy is bad news with his control issues and jealousy (of his own daughter!) so she needs to handle him with kid gloves. I say this honestly-if she leaves him I could one hundred percent picture him killing her. He just has that demeanor and always has just-barely concealed anger flaring at her. Scary stuff.

The Dean Cain/Travis comparison, hilarious!!

Brandi was much prettier in that "before" hospital photo. A natural beauty.  Her eyebrows and squinty eyes now make her look almost like a different person.

[ghoulina]

On 9/29/2017 at 7:01 PM, Sage47 said:

I think she is over him and trying to slowly and gently get out of the relationship. But she knows this guy is bad news with his control issues and jealousy (of his own daughter!) so she needs to handle him with kid gloves.

Exactly. Which is why she couldn't give him 2 weeks notice. He would have made those last 2 weeks a living hell. And also why she dropped the bomb at the office, and not at home. She was scared to tell him, for sure. 

[booboopbedoo]

On 27/09/2017 at 8:41 PM, Noire said:

On 27/09/2017 at 0:25 PM, red12 said:

Travis looks like someone beat up Dean Cain and put makeup on him to cover the bruises. But the swelling is still there.

 *screaming*

Love it!!! He gives me the creeps!

26 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

On 29/09/2017 at 5:01 PM, Sage47 said:

I think she is over him and trying to slowly and gently get out of the relationship. But she knows this guy is bad news with his control issues and jealousy (of his own daughter!) so she needs to handle him with kid gloves.

Exactly. Which is why she couldn't give him 2 weeks notice. He would have made those last 2 weeks a living hell. And also why she dropped the bomb at the office, and not at home. She was scared to tell him, for sure. 

why would she not have talked about this in Private and not air it on a TV show. The sex talk reminds me of the old saying "those who talk about how much sex they have are the ones that never get any"

If the rumors are true and he is gay/Bi then this is the ruse they are using to make folks believe he is straight.

On 29/09/2017 at 5:01 PM, Sage47 said:

Brandi was much prettier in that "before" hospital photo. A natural beauty.  Her eyebrows and squinty eyes now make her look almost like a different person.

she looks like a troll doll

[NYCFree]

My son is hard of hearing, and has learning disabilities with ADHD. We did not know this until he was in kindergarten. We knew he had hearing challenges and twice had tubes put in his ears. After both surgeries he was so much better, we didn't realize he was still operating with a deficit.

Another thing about being learning disabled, as opposed to cognitively disabled, is that people who have it, are often quite bright.  My son learned how to give the impression of reading, because he memorized over three hundred words, most early reading books have a much lower vocabulary. It wasn't until he was in a private school, in third grade, that they went back and actually taught him phonics, so he could decipher unknown words.

If Stephanie  wasn't with Brandi, she would berate herself for whatever it was she would have been doing. In other words, I'd be surprised if Stephanie, with more free time, would suddenly realize "hey, maybe he has a learning disability."  However, I totally understand because I feel tremendous guilt for not catching the hard of hearing issue much sooner.

[tinaw]

This episode is on right now and Marc is WHINING about Cary not doing what he wants. I want to see one of these women smack him and say "Snap out of it"

Rant over. Thanks

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