S08.E11: Swiping and Griping

[Sprockets]

Where is the thread for tonight's episode?  Oh well. . . .

Leah.  Your child is abusing that puppy.  Get off the phone and be a parent.  Then you can sleep with all the random strangers you want to, no change there.  And lovely Prom Hair for that date!  You do the nineties so well.  The date: does not stand up when she arrives, is wearing stupid baseball cap, works at a company called Rubber something, likes to kill things for sport,  watches Leah shove a pint of pasta into her mouth.  No chemistry at all.  None.  

Kail.  The post office called: your ass has been given its own ZIP code.  And be grateful you have two baby daddies who want to be more involved in their sons' lives.  That is so rare.  

Jo.  You are a magnificent father.  Isaac is a lucky guy.  

Chelsea.  Aubree is feeling neglected, and is getting very chunky.  Stop pumping her for info about Adam.  She is already telling you what she thinks you want to hear.  There are things you really do need to know, and you should talk to the adults involved.  Why is your house always such a complete mess?  

Barb.  Yes, you having custody is better for Jace, but stop talking about David so much.  This really is the best outcome, except for the parts about Jenelle having any visitation whatsoever.  

Briana.  You make my brain bleed.  Stop the whining.  Just stop.  And the next time you think about plastic surgery, think about those moles on your face.  And stop talking your trash in front of Nova.  

Nova.  Why are you crying all the time?  Is it because you see the future?  

Roxanne.  What is your function?  I forgot.  Are you just the big sour spoon that stirs the pot?  

Jenelle.  Getting kind of chubby.  Your visitation will never turn to "full time."  Given your nature and history, it will turn to jail time.  David is an ignorant, controlling lout.  Your mother has raised Jace when you couldn't/wouldn't.  You should be endlessly grateful to her, but the two of you are making asses of yourselves by talking shit about her.  Dude.  Get Endtable off her back unless you want a permanent cone head child.  

Edited September 19, 2017 by Sprockets
Forgot something.

[JocelynCavanaugh]

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Jenelle and Barb come to an agreement; Briana receives surprising news from Luis; Leah enters the dating world; Aubree visits Adam; Jo pursues custody of Isaac.

[MitaJo]

Jenelle is so damn delusional! I'd be curious to know if she really understood what the custody agreement is.

Kail really pisses me off. She acts like she's doing Jo a favor by giving him time with Isaac. I don't blame Jo for asking for 50/50. When that new baby comes, she's going to be asking him to take Isaac anyway. She probably wishes she could send Lincoln with him too, like she sends both kids with Javi.

I can't stand Briana's family, but her mom is especially annoying. She's way too involved in their lives and just talks way too damn much. She made me feel sorry for Devoin at that graduation.

That had to be the most awkward first date ever, but Leah really should have given that guy another chance. He seemed nice. The cameras were probably making him nervous. I guess he was too normal for her.

[GreatKazu]

Will there be a topic for the Being Nathan special? 

[Linny]

Man, fuck Kail for not wanting to give Jo 50/50 custody. He and Vee have done nothing but bend over backwards to help her. How many times did they keep Isaac when Kail couldn't handle the drama with Javi? How many times did they pick Isaac up from school because Kail was in class? How many times did they care for Isaac while she was busy traveling or busy with her friends or busy fucking Chris Lopez? But sure, Jo doesn't deserve 50/50 custody of his son. I wish Kail would just get real and admit she doesn't want Jo to have any official legal custody because she's a controlling monster who wants everything done on her terms. Like, she just needs to own the fact that she's a bitch, because I get real tired of her acting like she's some innocent who is perpetually confused as to why the men in her life have issues with her.

I'm pretty well done with Briana, but I do appreciate that she had a name picked out for her child long before the baby was born. See, Kail, it's really not so hard.

Aubree and Cole are the sweetest. You could tell it meant a lot to him that she filled out that Father's Day questionnaire about him. The footprints that Chelsea did with Watson and Aubree was totally adorable, too.

Leah's date was so awkward I kind of couldn't stand to watch. Better luck next time, honey.

David and Jenelle are so delusional, blaming everything on Barb. Guess what, dipshits, it was the judge who ruled in Barb's favor, and that wouldn't have happened if Jenelle had presented a strong case. These two always act like Barb swept in and stole Jace from Jenelle's arms, when the reality is she stepped up to the plate when Jenelle was too busy getting high to be a mother. Barb should be regarded as a hero for giving up her senior years to raise Jace and for always putting his needs before her own. Jenelle is far too selfish to ever be capable of that kind of sacrifice.

[nikita]

I wish Jenelle could realize she is the only reason her mom "won" custody of Jace. She wanted to live her life a certain way and was happy to have Barb take care of Jace while she did so. How did she not realize that after an appreciable amount of time, Barb & Jace would be bonded so that Barb effectively became his mother? Your mom didn't "win" Jenelle. It was all your own doing.

It [evidence against Jenelle] must've been really bad for Jenelle to actually settle. Then again, she's not fighting for custody for Jace's sake but to stick it to Barb.

 "Have a good Father's Day if we don't see you"? Sheeit, Chelsea, is the day only for Coley now?

Edited September 19, 2017 by nikita
clarity

[Caseysgirl]

Jenelle doesn't have a story line if she's not fighting somebody for kids who she totally ignores when they are with her.  Unless she's going on a vacation or setting up another photo op, she could care less about them.  Even that new baby is being taken care of by the father.  Very self centered young lady but she wants to make herself look like a martyr whose child was ripped away from her. Looks like Nate's mother will be raising Kaiser.

[woodscommaelle]

I think Jace was hoping to hear that he never had to see Jenelle (or Dave) ever again.  Poor kid.  Is this agreement any different than the last?  Jenelle still gets to see him so what's the difference?

[pheebs]

Quote of the Night - Karl. "Well, I'll need the D first..." Mmmhmm.

Leah sure has a "type," doesn't she?

Watson is such an animated, joyful little guy. What a smile! And what a lovely round head! Contrast that with Endtable's rather dull expression and in one fleeting shot, a very evident conehead. It seems to be worse on the left side. She doesn't look healthy. 

Briana...you are such a black hole of suck.

Speaking of suck - Juhnelle. She is the worst. Just a vile being.

[GreatKazu]

3 minutes ago, woodscommaelle said:

I think Jace was hoping to hear that he never had to see Jenelle (or Dave) ever again.  Poor kid.  Is this agreement any different than the last?  Jenelle still gets to see him so what's the difference?

It's an official court order now. Before, it was Barb letting Jenelle have Jace over from time to time. 

[lovesnark]

10 minutes ago, woodscommaelle said:

I think Jace was hoping to hear that he never had to see Jenelle (or Dave) ever again.  Poor kid.  Is this agreement any different than the last?  Jenelle still gets to see him so what's the difference?

There was no legal agreement before. Jenelle had no legal right to visitation with Jace. Now, she's entitled to every other weekend.

[what]

God, Briana makes me depressed. She's always so sad-sack-y (that's a word now); I can't imagine why she can't find a man. She's a ball of fun!

Leah has a type; that's for sure. She's an awful date. 

Chelsea, meh. 

Jenelle - that delusional, dead-eyed, entitled bitch should be bowing down to her mom. Can't believe UBT talks so badly about Barb. Dude, you THREW YOUR EX OUT OF A CAR. 

Karl - shut up, cow. 

Edited September 19, 2017 by what

[druzy]

30 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Will there be a topic for the Being Nathan special? 

MTV is airing "The Challenge" even though my guide shows "Being Nathan".

[Mkay]

Leah lied about not dating since her divorce with Germy. She had TR Dues living with her and the girlses before buying her new house. Jesus God Leah. We aren't stupid. 

[GreatKazu]

4 minutes ago, druzy said:

MTV is airing "The Challenge" even though my guide shows "Being Nathan".

The guide on my cable box in my room reads the Challenge. The guide on my cable box in my living room reads Nathan's special at 11 p.m.  

4 minutes ago, Mkay said:

Leah lied about not dating since her divorce with Germy. She had TR Dues living with her and the girlses before buying her new house. Jesus God Leah. We aren't stupid. 

Technically, she wasn't dating. She was hoping and pretending to be engaged. lol 

Edited September 19, 2017 by GreatKazu

[druzy]

Just now, GreatKazu said:

The guide on my cable box in my room reads the Challenge. The guide on my cable box in my living room reads Nathan's special at 11 p.m.  

Maybe Jenelle raised hell and MTV decided not to air it? I wonder if she has that much power. 

[ClassyCourtHeels]

I assume the only reason Kail is truly pissed is because 50/50 would mean less or even no child support. You gave Javi 50/50 with zero problem and he was a crazy stalker when you did, so give me a break Kail. And her retelling of the story to her friend was absurd. Jo tried to calmly talk to you about it. But apparently now is not the right time and she got in a big huff about it. At least she didn't go file a fake PFA on Jo again, so improvements. It honestly never is a good time with all the stupid stuff Kail has constantly going on in her life. 

Of course Nova cries are random shit. She sees it constantly from all the women in the coven raising her so why not. What is this dumb crap about Luis not providing. Isn't that the point of him going to truck driving school??????? Why does Brianna keep trying to pretend Luis was some long time boyfriend and he's ruining her perfect family? We all saw your thirsty ass tweet about wanting a creampie to have a baby on twitter. What do you expect from some club hook up?

That was was hella awkward with Leah. And the best was him rolling up after. Leah has a type. Other that TR who apparently never happened?

Janelle was all over the place. Trying to act like she won but also saying she didn't win. I loved the text message back from the producer acting all shocked she didn't get custody. Pure gold. And of course Barb wore her WalMart clothes and changed so Jace didn't go to school worried. That's something a parent would do. For all he faults, Barb cares about that little boy. Janelle just cares about what she looks like in front of cameras or on instagram. She's lucky Barb agreed to settle because I have a feeling all kind of shit was going to come out. Sounded like there was even a therapist as a witness for fight for what Jace wanted. I don't think Nathan's mother will be as nice when it comes to court with Janelle. So get your popcorn for early October. 

Cleasea. Boring and pretty normal as always. Very nice idea for Cole's gift. 

Edited September 19, 2017 by ClassyCourtHeels

[SPLAIN]

Kudos to Barb for knowing to wear her work clothes so as not to upset Jace about court. That goes to show there is a lot of worry on the part of that little boy. He is worrying about adult business that affects him. He should be worrying about a spelling test at school, not the drama Jenelle stirs up.

[mamadrama]

I chuckle every time I see an American flag hanging in Chelsea's house. Oh Cole...

[toodywoody]

2 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

Kudos to Barb for knowing to wear her work clothes so as not to upset Jace about court. That goes to show there is a lot of worry on the part of that little boy. He is worrying about adult business that affects him. He should be worrying about a spelling test at school, not the drama Jenelle stirs up.

Well you know she has probably been talking about it nonstop to him and Jace was worried Barb was going to be taken away from him

[Sharper2002]

God. Jennelle is such a waste of human space. She is just pathetic and I'm waiting for the day UBT leaves her high and dry with another lost child on her hands. Bitch, your mom took your child when you said you couldn't (wouldn't) take care of him and essentially partying and getting high was a higher priority. Barb isn't perfect, but she cares for Jace and he'd be lost in the system if it wasn't for her. That's something Janelle and UBT conveniently forget. Everytime I see her on TV, I have to resist the urge to tweet "LOSER" @ her. 

No words for the other girls. Same stuff, different episode. 

[nikita]

For those of us who ff through commercials, there will be another new ep aired Wednesday.

[GreatKazu]

17 minutes ago, toodywoody said:

Well you know she has probably been talking about it nonstop to him and Jace was worried Barb was going to be taken away from him

It was likely brought up in therapy when Jace would talk about not wanting to be over there. 

37 minutes ago, druzy said:

Maybe Jenelle raised hell and MTV decided not to air it? I wonder if she has that much power. 

lol 

[mamadrama]

Kail egging Issac on over Jo being there for his game pissed me off. "It was surprising to see your dad there, huh?" Etc, etc.

[KittyKat133]

The coven has fucked up poor nova so badly by not EVER shielding her from their lame adult drama that now she is anxiety ridden very confused child. How sad is that?

[Luciano]

55 minutes ago, ClassyCourtHeels said:

 Jo tried to calmly talk to you about it. But apparently now is not the right time and she got in a big huff about it. At least she didn't go file a fake PFA on Jo again, so improvements. It honestly never is a good time with all the stupid stuff Kail has constantly going on in her life. 

Seriously, that was what I was thinking. When would have been a good time for Kail? When she was going through marital problems with Javi? When Javi was deployed? When she was getting a divorce? When she was sorting out custody issues with Javi? Or now, when she has a newborn with the Phantom of Dover? She veers from one drama to the next and it's reflected in Isaac going from house to house to house with no set schedule. And now she's beginning to badmouth Jo again, shocker.

Devoin barely reacted when Roxanne was talking to him during graduation. Like he saw a T-Rex next to him and didn't want to make any sudden movements.

Edited September 19, 2017 by Luciano

[BitterApple]

I don't understand why Kail was freaking out over 50/50 when that's basically the arrangement they have now. Oh, that's right, it's because she's a total bitch and can't stand not having control.

Briana and Luis, same shit, different day.

Jenelle and Dave? Fuck you a million times. Jace's therapist thinks he should be with Barb. The Judge thinks Jace should be with Barb, and JACE wants to be with Barb. Their opinions matter more than your loser boyfriend's.

Chelsea, we get it, hon. Adam's a douche and Cole-eeeeee is perfect. Find a new narrative because you're just coasting at this point. 

[monagatuna]

People keep saying Leah has a "type." I haven't seen the episode yet so I'm guessing he speaks slowly and with a slurred accent? Maybe has a chin-beard to cover up his lack of an actual chin? And a hat with the "WV" logo on it? One or more articles of camouflage?

I say this not because of my extensive watching of TM2, but because I lived in Elkview for several years, and let me tell you, there's not much else out there.

[GreatKazu]

Some of us called it that Jo would get shitted on by Kail if he ever brought up the issue. Not that he shouldn't ever bring it up, but the Hulk can't tolerate hearing anything that may be taken out of her control. 

Kail's ass looks so damn nasty no matter what side you look at it. It is all jiggly as she walks. 

I can't take hearing Roxanne bitching about Luis and his schooling.  I know in real time he is not there for the baby, but going by the timeline, Luis is trying to get a job by going to school. Give the dude a chance. I just can't with hearing Roxanne and her saying "ax".

Edited September 19, 2017 by GreatKazu

[ClassyCourtHeels]

1 minute ago, GreatKazu said:

Some of us called it that Jo would get shitted on by Kail if he ever brought up the issue. Not that he shouldn't ever bring it up, but the Hulk can't tolerate hearing anything that may be taken out of her control. 

Kail's ass looks so damn nasty no matter what side you look at it. It is all jiggly as she walks. 

I can't take hearing Roxanne bitching about Luis and his schooling.  I know in real time he is not there for the baby, but going by the timeline, Luis is trying to get a job by going to school. Give the dude a chance. I just can't with hearing Roxanne and her saying "axe".

And of course she had a comment alluding to blaming Vee

 

OF FUCKING COURSE. 

[KittyKat133]

Screw 50/50 custody, jo should be asking for primary custody at this point! His home is clearly more stable than hers! 

Did any of you catch her remark about moving again!? She said vee wanted jo to get 50/50 custody so she couldn't move again. Karl's response was something like "why would they be worried? Oh but I'll need to get a job in my field and this place has nothing to offer but ohhhh that's years from now!"

so you see vee has her number! She knows what a selfish ,user, bitch she can be!

[CofCinci]

With how sickly sweet Cole and his American flags are---- I keep waiting to hear about dead hookers in his basement or something. He's too good to be true. 

[GreatKazu]

Wonky editing again. At the soccer game Karl's hair went from being in a pony tail to being down. 

Was Leah at the same restaurant where she and Jeremy had dinner that one time? lol 

Edited September 19, 2017 by GreatKazu

[StatisticalOutlier]

1 hour ago, Linny said:

David and Jenelle are so delusional, blaming everything on Barb. Guess what, dipshits, it was the judge who ruled in Barb's favor, and that wouldn't have happened if Jenelle had presented a strong case.

They said Jenelle and Barbara settled it.  The judge would have signed it, but s/he didn't make a ruling.

Also, it finally hit me:  When UBT talks, he sounds like Will Farrell doing George W. Bush.  Listen to when they're talking outside the courthouse, when he says, "That's why I hate her so fucking much." 

[BitterApple]

If you put Leah's date, Cory and Jeremy in a room together, I don't think I could tell them apart. It also really pisses me off that Leah can scarf down fettuccine and remain a size 0. 

Edited September 19, 2017 by BitterApple

[guilfoyleatpp]

Kailyn is delusional.

Jenelle is delusional.

Both those bitches are so extra. 

I loved that everything Kailyn said as a reason why Jo shouldn't file for 50/50 was SOMETHING SHE HAS ALREADY DONE.

Jenelle wasn't nearly upset enough to have really wanted Jace. She was upset because she lost. She doesn't really want Jace.  What part of "Permanent Custody" is not clear to her?

[BitterApple]

Jace looked positively thrilled....until he found out he had to spend two weeks at Jenelle's. The way his face darkened confirms my belief that really bad shit goes on over there. 

[kitkat343]

Dear Coven,

Nova is a very sweet little girl.  But when a five year old sobs and bites her nails through her graduation ceremony, it is a sign that you need to stop  trashing her biological father in front of her and talking about putting her unborn sister up for adoption in front of her.  

Since Briana had no intention of ever putting her baby up for adoption, she could have tortured Luis for "cheating" on her and violating the sanctity of their one night stand when Nova was out of the room.

[nikita]

Jenelle has GOT to be kidding me with gloating that dropoffs now have a designated location. She's the one on film multiple times altering the exchange plans and then proceeding to rip Barb a new ahole from two counties away for balking at the last minute changes.

David, take your disgusting diatribe and aim it at your babe, babe. Because everything you said about supreme selfishness is true of your swampmate, not her mom.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

3 hours ago, pheebs said:

Quote of the Night - Karl. "Well, I'll need the D first..." Mmmhmm.

Leah sure has a "type," doesn't she?

Watson is such an animated, joyful little guy. What a smile! And what a lovely round head! Contrast that with Endtable's rather dull expression and in one fleeting shot, a very evident conehead. It seems to be worse on the left side. She doesn't look healthy. 

Briana...you are such a black hole of suck.

Speaking of suck - Juhnelle. She is the worst. Just a vile being.

What a relief! I thought it was only my mind in the gutter ;) 

[Brooklynista]

So if Luis doesn't work, that's bad. If Luis goes to trade school to get a better job thats bad to the coven as well? Those bitches are nuts. And what difference does it make if he's there for the birth or not? The witches of Orlando would never let him be in the delivery room to cheer Briana on. 

I've never seen such a bitter bunch of harpies. Roxanne couldn't even decide why she was upset with Luis when Briana was talking about his new job. All she knows is it's time to be upset.  

[ReadMeLattice]

6 hours ago, monagatuna said:

People keep saying Leah has a "type." I haven't seen the episode yet so I'm guessing he speaks slowly and with a slurred accent? Maybe has a chin-beard to cover up his lack of an actual chin? And a hat with the "WV" logo on it? One or more articles of camouflage?

I say this not because of my extensive watching of TM2, but because I lived in Elkview for several years, and let me tell you, there's not much else out there.

Don't forget the Confederate flag and misspelled racist tweets!

[Brooklynista]

Did Kail ever verbalize why Jo shouldn't have more time with his son? Or is it just "because ".

I guess it's bad form to say I dont want to lose any child support or I don't want Jo to have any recourse if I decide to up and move again.

[Polliwollidoodle]

Re Leah and her date- I thought it was just the most ridiculous. Like you know they had to have texted/spoken (?)chatted to even agree to meet. And she suddenly seems to remember she should make conversation with him and maybe ask him where he works?

Even if there wasn't chemistry or whatever I thought she was so rude to be giggling to the producer about how she didn't like him.  Were we supposed to think it was her glass of wine that made her giddy? I just don' t get it.

It just seemed so not real.There was barely any convo at all. And yes I think it was the same place that she went to with Jeremy. 

[Sprockets]

8 hours ago, Linny said:

Aubree and Cole are the sweetest. You could tell it meant a lot to him that she filled out that Father's Day questionnaire about him. The footprints that Chelsea did with Watson and Aubree was totally adorable, too.

They give me diabetes.  Chelsea only allows that kind of stuff to be filmed.  Nothing real, nothing the least difficult or unpleasant.  

8 minutes ago, Brooklynista said:

Did Kail ever verbalize why Jo shouldn't have more time with his son? Or is it just "because ".

It seemed to me she felt blindsided by the legal action, and she felt he already had 50/50.  She cant understand that this isn't about her.  

27 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

Don't forget the Confederate flag and misspelled racist tweets!

And a big old plug of chawin' tobacco under his lip.  Yee-ha!  

[Sprockets]

6 hours ago, BitterApple said:

The way his face darkened confirms my belief that really bad shit goes on over there. 

I hope someone gets to the bottom of this, fast.  If Jace really isn't safe with Jenelle and UBT, then the Roll and Endtable aren't safe, either.  This is serious.  

[CofCinci]

15 minutes ago, Brooklynista said:

Did Kail ever verbalize why Jo shouldn't have more time with his son? Or is it just "because ".

He wore sweatpants on a Sunday. 

[Sprockets]

6 hours ago, CofCinci said:

He's too good to be true. 

He's too boring to exist.  

[CofCinci]

7 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

The coven has fucked up poor nova so badly by not EVER shielding her from their lame adult drama that now she is anxiety ridden very confused child. How sad is that?

It's getting really hard to watch this series.  

Nearly all of these children are abused in some form. Jace and Kaiser - physical and psychological abuse; Ensley - neglect and now has untreated skull deformity; Ali - medical neglect; Sophia hears her grandmother say she wants to kill herself and is one photo session away from a John Hanson voiceover; Nova overhears adult conversations, manipulative ones that use adoption as some sort of threat to get the man to stay; Isaac has to be tired of his mother's shit at this point too...

[Sprockets]

18 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

It's getting really hard to watch this series.  

You are right.  Who knows what the camera and production crew sees.  Just keep hiding behind the "we are not mandated reporters" excuse, guys.  Are you decent human beings???