S09.E21: Reunion Part 2

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Based on her IG she spends a lot of time in the Hamptons even when she was with Tom. I think Lu probably has the biggest difference between her filming life and the rest of her life because we see her almost exclusively in the city.

I think we see more of Luann, Bethenny and Ramona in the city and not the Hamptons because of when they film. They tend to film the NY show during the late fall/early winter when most people are in the city, not at the ocean, when they have homes in both. Maybe Luann will now buy or rent a city apartment so that she has her own city place to film.

[mothmonsterman]

Luann not saying (but letting it be known loud and clear) who she voted for is the final nail in her coffin for me.  This, as well as her comment about her ex being upset that she was dating someone Jewish (back when she was with Jacque).

I believe Frenchie isn't an actor.  I also believe he is using Sonja for a place to stay and a touch of fame.  She should be embarrassed by the fact she slipped up and said that the reason she liked him moving in with her is because it would give him a reason to come back.  WTF?  

I am so glad Bethany shut down Ramona asking about her relationship.  That is how Ramona gets people, she acts like an actual caring human for a bit to hide her heinous self.  She is a monster, I am surprised no one has punched her lights out.  I watched a few old seasons lately and the way she gets about a foot away from someone's face to say something with the crazy-ass eyes is a punishable offense to me. 

I swear Ramona and Sonja's are totally out of touch and entitled.  I hate them so much.  

Tinsley also sealed her fate with me when she said she didn't vote and it wasn't her thing.  Being a part of the decision in the country you live in isn't your thing?  The laws and changes that are made by the president don't matter to you?  GTFO.  I took a long, hard look at her and she is totally out of place with these women.  Her totally awful, too young, too frilly clothes, her out-dated extensions, the too blonde fried hair, the way she talks (like an extra out of the movie "Clueless")-she is totally weak and I am not shocked she attached herself to her new guy and is waiting to move into a place with him before she dares live on her damned own and stand on her own two feet.  I don't like a lot of these women, but Tinsely is a disgrace to these women, she is weak, old-fashioned, non-stylish, and inarticulate-she doesn't embody a New York woman one damned bit.  

And Tinsley, no matter what the fuck happened the night you went over to your ex's house and got arrested, that fucking night you were not a victim.  You fucked up and got arrested--there should be no pity party for you. Isn't there rumors you attacked him, too?  Sounds to me like you are both pieces of shit.  

Edited August 25, 2017 by mothmonsterman

[biakbiak]

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

They tend to film the NY show during the late fall/early winter when most people are in the city, not at the ocean, when they have homes in both. Maybe Luann will now buy or rent a city apartment so that she has her own city place to film.

But even during those months Lu spends a lot of time in the Hamptons. 

 

2 minutes ago, mothmonsterman said:

Luann not saying (but letting it be known loud and clear) who she voted for is the final nail in her coffin for me.  This, as well as her comment about her ex being upset that she was dating someone Jewish (back when she was with Jacque).

I don't know who Lu voted for because she declined to say on the show but she did donate to Hillary in the past, most recently during the primary, and didn't donate to Trump in her name.

[Chit Chat]

2 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

It's both white people and rich people privlidge in her /Tinsley's/ case. 

I don't see it as a "privilege" kind of thing.  I see it as a person not interested in politics kind of thing.  There's a shitload of people out there from various backgrounds that feel the way she does.   I've seen reports that estimate nearly half of the eligible citizens who could've voted didn't.  I seriously doubt they were all white, rich folks.  Lots of people simply didn't like the names on the ballot.  

From the floorplan, Tom's apartment looks pretty nice, IMO.  I agree with Bethenny though, I tend to think of a penthouse apartment as something about 4 times that size.  But for NYC, his apartment looks to be a decent size, especially with the terraces.  

[WireWrap]

Just now, biakbiak said:

But even during those months Lu spends a lot of time in the Hamptons. 

I agree, she does but I'm not so sure production wants to film out there at that time of the year. Bethenny also spends a lot of time in the Hamptons throughout the year as well. Production seems to film there on early in the late fall but rarely when winter comes around, they tend to go to Dorinda's Berkshires home then. I think they, production, prefer the HWs to have their home base in the city. 

[FlyingEgret]

I love Beth's earrings, but am wondering if they were sold as a set of 3 or if she had to buy 2 sets of 2 and throw one away?

[howiveaddict]

23 hours ago, Cheetosandchoc said:

     Sometimes when kids have a summer Birthday parents choose to hold them back and let them mature a bit before starting school. I chose to do that with my son.

My grandsons will both be almost 7 when they start first grade. In Indiana you have to be 5 before June to start Kindergarten. 

[bravofan27]

The show started with Sonya and Luanne defending their relationships and Bethanny poking holes in all their arguments. Then Andy got tough and drilled Bethanny, which really surprised me because she doesn't like talking about that stuff at all, and she spent half the season not speaking to Ramona for bringing it up. That was the gateway Ramona and Luanne needed to get their digs in. I LOVED how Luanne, trying to sound musing said, "I wonder why he is so mad?" which, IMO, clearly implied that it's because Bethanny pissed him off because she's a mean bitch. I thought maybe Andy started the questioning because he was upset Bethanny admitted she was dating Dennis, when on the show she said they broke up, but pretty clearly, at least IMO, they didn't break up, just said they did. I think that sort of piqued Andy's bullshit button and he pushed Bethanny more than he would have otherwise. In any case, for Bethanny to say that her child is "isolated and happy" is ridiculous, because being isolated is not a happy place to be, and to say she's only 7 and doesn't know anything-- BULLSHIT. That kid has probably smoked pot and been drunk by now with all the mayhem going on in her life. Also IMO, Bethanny does not have any clue how to raise a child normally and just does not know how to be loving mother. A loving mother would, again IMO, not be carrying on like this with the ex, and would suck it up and give him the money or attention, or whatever he needs to make things more pleasant. She's just teaching her daughter how to be stubborn, selfish, and push people to their breaking point and then cry victim. If her life is so miserable, then why not make efforts to stop it? Also, if he's so horrible, why isn't she filing for full custody? I think she likes the attention and she likes being a victim. I had a friend whose husband was unstable and did the stalking thing, and she fought him tooth and nail for full custody for almost 10 years. I don't know that Bethanny is trying to get full custody or not, but if he is the horrible monster she says he is, I would think she would want to get her child away from him. Since she is content with shared custody, it makes me think that she has some shit to hide and she doesn't want to take the chance of being exposed. Personally, I think Jason should file for full custody, because that woman is toxic. The most she has on him is he leaves his poop in the toilet and turns the phone when Brin is on Facetime with her so he can't see her ugly ass face. The arrested for stalking thing... I don't know what led up to that, but it seems to me it isn't something Bethanny is going to want to talk about. 

Also, as far as I can tell, Tom lives in a Penthouse. A penthouse is a top floor apartment with great views and he has the wrap around terrace and top floor. So it's a penthouse. Just shut up Bethanny in a middle floor apartment bitch.

Trump won so obviously more people voted for him than didn't. Bethanny even sort of implied that she didn't vote for Hillary, or didn't want to. This election just sucked all around. I give Tinsely props for being honest about not voting. The other ladies just "pleaded the fifth" which may mean they voted for Trump, or it may mean they didn't vote. Who knows.

Edited August 25, 2017 by bravofan27

[breezy424]

Geez, it may be considered small but it's a 'penthouse'.  Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like the top floor of what would be considered a tall building.  And it takes up the whole floor.  It has a direct elevator entrance.  The apartment number or elevator button may well be 'penthouse'.  We may envision a 'penthouse' being big - what  is the square footage requirement? 

It's actually pretty nice and probably works well for a single man  and for a couple.

On another note, there's three sides to Beth and her mother's relationship.  We really only have one side.  Sure Beth's mom has given a couple of interviews but we don't have the in depth side that Beth has given.  It was screwed up family for sure.  Seeing Beth's personality over the years, she's got a whole bunch of her own personalty flaws.  She also the queen of hyperbole when it comes to what 'she's' dealing with.  It's always Beth as the victim.  I wouldn't doubt she's always been this way.  Her mom according to Beth was an alcoholic, a bulimic, and a victim of domestic violence.  That's pretty heavy, if true but isn't her mom teaching at a college now?  

It's funny though, in one of her books, Beth was concerned about who was going to pay for her college, spending money (IIRC), etc.  Beth is all about Beth.  And maybe there's more to the story of why she and her mother don't talk and why her mother feels the way she does.  We know that her father didn't want to see her at first when he was dying. 

Beth doesn't display a whole lot of empathy.  Maybe that's because then she would have to take off her victim-hood crown for a second.

Edited August 25, 2017 by breezy424

[jumper sage]

25 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Trump won so obviously more people voted for him than didn't. Bethanny even sort of implied that she didn't vote for Hillary, or didn't want to. This election just sucked all around. I give Tinsely props for being honest about not voting. The other ladies just "pleaded the fifth" which may mean they voted for Trump, or it may mean they didn't vote. Who knows.

Trump won the electoral college (not one person one vote but by districts) HRC won the popular vote (actual votes) by more than 3 million votes.  Bethany did say she voted for HRC.

I must say that this reunion has to be the most interesting and least volatile of all the franchises.

[Kairay]

Ok, maybe I'm just a stupid poor person, but isn't a one bedroom apartment on the top floor still considered a penthouse??? It looked pretty fancy to me when Luann was filmed in it at the begiing of the season. Maybe I'm missing the point. But I don't get what the big deal was. Let Luann have her moment ffs.

[Ksissy]

Carol was insufferable w/regards to the election.  Bethany was spot on!  We need dialogue but Carol just wanted to regale us with her impressive resume and therefore much smarter and more qualified than anyone else with a different opinion ... Yawn!

[film noire]

3 hours ago, mothmonsterman said:

And Tinsley, no matter what the fuck happened the night you went over to your ex's house and got arrested, that fucking night you were not a victim. 

She had staples in her head, due to his mistreatment of her. I think we can safely call her the victim in that situation.

Edited August 25, 2017 by film noire
jumper sage covered the popular vote/electoral college already

[lunastartron]

23 hours ago, mothmonsterman said:

Luann not saying (but letting it be known loud and clear) who she voted for is the final nail in her coffin for me.  This, as well as her comment about her ex being upset that she was dating someone Jewish (back when she was with Jacque).

I believe Frenchie isn't an actor.  I also believe he is using Sonja for a place to stay and a touch of fame.  She should be embarrassed by the fact she slipped up and said that the reason she liked him moving in with her is because it would give him a reason to come back.  WTF?  

I am so glad Bethany shut down Ramona asking about her relationship.  That is how Ramona gets people, she acts like an actual caring human for a bit to hide her heinous self.  She is a monster, I am surprised no one has punched her lights out.  I watched a few old seasons lately and the way she gets about a foot away from someone's face to say something with the crazy-ass eyes is a punishable offense to me. 

I swear Ramona and Sonja's are totally out of touch and entitled.  I hate them so much.  

Tinsley also sealed her fate with me when she said she didn't vote and it wasn't her thing.  Being a part of the decision in the country you live in isn't your thing?  The laws and changes that are made by the president don't matter to you?  GTFO.  I took a long, hard look at her and she is totally out of place with these women.  Her totally awful, too young, too frilly clothes, her out-dated extensions, the too blonde fried hair, the way she talks (like an extra out of the movie "Clueless")-she is totally weak and I am not shocked she attached herself to her new guy and is waiting to move into a place with him before she dares live on her damned own and stand on her own two feet.  I don't like a lot of these women, but Tinsely is a disgrace to these women, she is weak, old-fashioned, non-stylish, and inarticulate-she doesn't embody a New York woman one damned bit.  

And Tinsley, no matter what the fuck happened the night you went over to your ex's house and got arrested, that fucking night you were not a victim.  You fucked up and got arrested--there should be no pity party for you. Isn't there rumors you attacked him, too?  Sounds to me like you are both pieces of shit.  

There are hospital records and police reports detailing injuries to Tinsley's head that required staples; photos of her included in those police reports documenting extensive bruising to her face including a black eye; accounts from neighbors of Nico Fanjul to PBPD about him tackling her to the ground and striking her head against it; and an iPhone recording of him ripping the wipers off of her car and attempting to shatter the windshield while she was locked inside.

Irrespective of "rumors," her voting history, and/or the Fanjuls' assertions that she beat up herself, I personally think she qualifies as, yes, a victim of domestic violence. 

Edited August 26, 2017 by lunastartron

[lunastartron]

3 hours ago, ChitChat said:

I don't see it as a "privilege" kind of thing.  I see it as a person not interested in politics kind of thing.  There's a shitload of people out there from various backgrounds that feel the way she does.   I've seen reports that estimate nearly half of the eligible citizens who could've voted didn't.  I seriously doubt they were all white, rich folks.  Lots of people simply didn't like the names on the ballot.  

From the floorplan, Tom's apartment looks pretty nice, IMO.  I agree with Bethenny though, I tend to think of a penthouse apartment as something about 4 times that size.  But for NYC, his apartment looks to be a decent size, especially with the terraces.  

I don't see what's so objectionable about Tinsley's choice to refrain from voting. If she was registered in New York, waiting in line at the ballot box was not going to alter the candidate to whom the state's electoral votes were going. The grand abstractions of history don't alter that practical reality.

If she doesn't feel fluent in and/or educated about the nuances of the candidates, the issues, etc, then I think voting in that context is arguably irresponsible itself in many ways. 

So, too, conscientious objection is valid. Both major party nominees aren't entitled to support and have to earn every vote that they receive. And, again, functionally speaking, writing in a name is a commendable fulfillment of duty and ideal but it's also, from the other side, pretty masturbatory in a presidential election in terms of actionable impact. 

All my subjective opinion.

Edited August 25, 2017 by lunastartron

[DelicateDee]

Watching Luanne giving us a tour of the penthouse was, in hindsight, quite sad. She looks so happy talking about "her penthouse".  Well that didn't last long!  I kind of feel bad for her. Oh well.

The dog was the cutest though!  Especially when he rolled over for the treat.

[Thumper]

2 hours ago, howiveaddict said:

My grandsons will both be almost 7 when they start first grade. In Indiana you have to be 5 before June to start Kindergarten. 

Wow!  That is an early cut-off date!  

[TessHarding2]

Unrelated to the reunion - I saw Jill Zarin today.  This must be my 4th time seeing her around the city.  She looks natural and has a pretty face.  Her face is small and thin (meaning she wasn't all plumped up).  She looks young, like 40 with good skin, (and I'm her age).  She's slender with long, slender legs.  Of course her voice could slice ice, but that's all I got.  I saw her in the same place that I saw Carole about a year ago.  They're all into decorating.

[JakeyJokes]

53 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

I don't see what's so objectionable about Tinsley's choice to refrain from voting. If she was registered in New York, waiting in line at the ballot box was not going to alter the candidate to whom the state's electoral votes were going. The grand abstractions of history don't alter that practical reality.

If she doesn't feel fluent in and/or educated about the nuances of the candidates, the issues, etc, then I think voting in that context is arguably irresponsible itself in many ways. 

So, too, conscientious objection is valid. Both major party nominees aren't entitled to support and have to earn every vote that they receive. And, again, functionally speaking, writing in a name is a commendable fulfillment of duty and ideal but it's also, from the other side, pretty masturbatory in a presidential election in terms of actionable impact. 

All my subjective opinion.

 I think it's most objectionable for HOW she said it. It's one thing to openly say that you don't like either Presidential candidate because of issues xyz -- totally valid, especially in 2016. Bu you also vote for your senators and representatives, state and Congressional; your mayor, city council members, referendums, etc. Tinsley didn't say what you have astutely said about not feeling educated enough about the issues; she said "Voting just isn't my thing". This is beyond irksome because a) voting is not a hobby and b) it speaks volumes about how she has negatively conducted herself sometimes this season. She has grown up wealthy and will always be wealthy; if her problems are too big, she can pout and someone else will fix them. Silly presidential election? So stressful! Who needs THAT?

And I liked her a lot this season, too!

Edited August 25, 2017 by JakeyJokes

[jumper sage]

I love Tom's penthouse.  The more bedrooms you have the more people you have inviting themselves to stay.  The service elevator - awesome.

[Celia Rubenstein]

14 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Can someone explain what the heck Tinsley is talking about?

She has said this on numerous interviews and now on this show in regards to the ex.

“I was accused of something I didn’t do”

She was arrested for criminal trespass on Nico’s property. She is the one who called 911 herself. She was told by dispatch that there was a trespass warning in place which she said she knew about. She was told by dispatch to come to the police station and they would send someone else to retrieve her belongings, She was told to leave the property and if she was there when they went by she would be arrested. She chose to stay until the police arrived.

What was she accused of that she didn’t do?

... She gave me the impression from her 911 call that she went stalking and tried to get in and freaked out when he wouldn’t answer the door.

He was in his house with another woman, too, apparently.  Tinsley was crying and carrying on about it to the 911 operator.  Maybe Tinsley was trying to deny the idea that she was being a drunken jealous stalker the night she was arrested???  Hmm. 

Well, she was drunk.  And she was jealous.  And there is something a bit stalker-ish about standing outside your ex's house screaming and crying about him being with someone else and refusing to leave, all while the police tell you that you have to leave because there is an order of protection against you and don't worry, they will get your purse that you left behind but if you don't leave you will be arrested.  And you stay. 

The only other thing I can think of that she could be denying is that she herself was physically violent toward her boyfriend, which is a rumor that has always circulated about her.  But I don't think the fact that she was accused of violence herself has ever been mentioned on the show, which makes me doubt that is what she was talking about.  It would be a dumb decision to make any reference to that aspect of the story at all if she could avoid it.  It would really put a nick in her "victim of domestic violence" storyline.  Then again, Tinsley is stupider than a box of hair, so who knows. 

Edited August 25, 2017 by Celia Rubenstein

[jumper sage]

I find this article to be interesting and get yourself a bottle of something and follow all the links.

Definition of a penthouse:

an apartment on the top floor of a tall building, typically luxuriously fitted and offering fine views

Edited August 25, 2017 by jumper sage

[film noire]

9 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I just think it is strange that she always has to mention it when talking about where she lives. Do people really talk like that? 

Just Lu and this woman -- they both adore a penthouse view.

[motorcitymom65]

9 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Trump won so obviously more people voted for him than didn't. Bethanny even sort of implied that she didn't vote for Hillary, or didn't want to. This election just sucked all around. I give Tinsely props for being honest about not voting. The other ladies just "pleaded the fifth" which may mean they voted for Trump, or it may mean they didn't vote. Who knows.

Well, no. Hence the hullabaloo that has transpired since. 

And Beth implied nothing, unless saying "I voted for HRC" is implying that she didn't vote for HRC. 

[noveltylibrary65]

On 8/23/2017 at 11:25 PM, WireWrap said:

I also think Andy believes that of Bethenny shares her "torture" with the viewers, more will like her and watch her new Bravo show. 

I had to look up what you're talking about, I had no idea Bethenny's a real estate agent now.  Interesting that she's invested millions for this show to work.  Too bad I've never had an interest in Million Dollar Listing, and I just don't like that guy's face.

On 8/23/2017 at 11:26 PM, oakville said:

It was a shocking development. I am surprised that Bethenny voted for Hillary. During filming, she seemed to be very hesitat to support Hillary. 

It was definitely a less than enthusiastic vote for her, Carole seemed disappointed.

On 8/23/2017 at 11:34 PM, PhilMarlowe2 said:

I'm actually shocked that Sonja and Luann voted for Trump. Especially Luann.

I'm not shocked at all and surprised most of them didn't.  $$$ needs to be taken care of.

[Chit Chat]

I agreed with Bethenny on LuAnn's constant referral to her apartment as "the penthouse."  It does sound obnoxious, IMO.  It would be like someone referring to their mansion as "the mansion."  Just say "my house."   

As far as Tinsley goes, it's called apathy, and there's a whole lot of that nowadays (has been for a very long time).  I don't waste my time worrying about people who feel that way about politics.  It doesn't make me like her less either.  A person has to do a whole lot worse than to not vote in order for me to put them on my shit list!   I can only do what I can (pay attention to local/national issues and go vote.)   I can't control and don't condemn people like Tinsley.  I am apathetic to her apathy.   ;)

[noveltylibrary65]

On 8/24/2017 at 1:13 AM, DelicateDee said:

Not interesting  at All!  I believe it's nobody's business who you vote for.  Of course Carole wants to jump all on Tinsley for not voting, but if she did vote, and voted for Trump, Carole would still give her crap over it.  As I said earlier in the season, they need to keep the politics out of these shows.  We get enough conflict and drama without adding politics into it.  

Absolutely!  I watch to escape politics.  And for anyone saying you shouldn't keep it a secret, well why we don't we shout out our vote in the booths? 

[WireWrap]

34 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Well, no. Hence the hullabaloo that has transpired since. 

And Beth implied nothing, unless saying "I voted for HRC" is implying that she didn't vote for HRC. 

Yes AND No, Bethenny more or less stated that HRC was not her first choice but that she was her default vote instead. 

[noveltylibrary65]

On 8/24/2017 at 2:22 AM, Binkywatcher said:

But I have to ask, did it seem like Ramona was super quiet?

I was thinking her new bf tamed her...and I just googled and found her quote "He makes me calmer." ha!

On 8/23/2017 at 9:19 PM, Mozelle said:

I'm annoyed. I didn't realize that this was airing at 8 pm EDT. I settled in to watch, only to see Vanderpump Rules. ?

and I came in a half hour too late! grrr

[oakville]

24 minutes ago, noveltylibrary65 said:

I had to look up what you're talking about, I had no idea Bethenny's a real estate agent now.  Interesting that she's invested millions for this show to work.  Too bad I've never had an interest in Million Dollar Listing, and I just don't like that guy's face.

It was definitely a less than enthusiastic vote for her, Carole seemed disappointed.

I'm not shocked at all and surprised most of them didn't.  $$$ needs to be taken care of.

I watch Million Dollar Listing. They had a couple of episodes with Bethenny & Frederick selling her old apartment & buying a new one. Bethenny flirted with the developer. I am not sure if that show will be popular. Both people have big egos.

[noveltylibrary65]

On 8/24/2017 at 7:45 AM, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Why WHY WHY did Andy not ask B if Dennis Shields is divorced yet ?

If the elevator button says PH,  it's a penthouse in my book! :-) 

Her quote "I think that I needed him to make changes that I really didn’t think he would make."  Wonder if one of those "changes" was filing for a divorce? ;p

I've always thought of a penthouse as the big sprawling top floor of a building so I'm with Bethenny on that one.

[motorcitymom65]

12 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes AND No, Bethenny more or less stated that HRC was not her first choice but that she was her default vote instead. 

Right. Like a lot of people. I don't many folks - from either side - that went into the booth with the opportunity to vote for the person that they actually wanted above all to be President. They made a choice between the candidates that were on the ballot. I was responding to the poster that said Bethenny implied she didn't vote for Hillary. She didn't imply that. 

[oakville]

13 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes AND No, Bethenny more or less stated that HRC was not her first choice but that she was her default vote instead. 

Bethennys lack of excitement for Hillary was evident. If Bethenny admitted to voting for Trump, it would damage the skinny girl brand.

[oakville]

20 minutes ago, noveltylibrary65 said:

Absolutely!  I watch to escape politics.  And for anyone saying you shouldn't keep it a secret, well why we don't we shout out our vote in the booths? 

Politics had to be discussed this season because they needed a storyline for Carole. Furthermore, most of the cast knew Trump &. Clinton. I think Bethenny was on the Apprentice

[oakville]

8 hours ago, Ksissy said:

Carol was insufferable w/regards to the election.  Bethany was spot on!  We need dialogue but Carol just wanted to regale us with her impressive resume and therefore much smarter and more qualified than anyone else with a different opinion ... Yawn!

I think Carol should have been more aware of the political situation in the USA. She was very shocked about Trump winning the electoral college. 

[oakville]

11 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I agree, she does but I'm not so sure production wants to film out there at that time of the year. Bethenny also spends a lot of time in the Hamptons throughout the year as well. Production seems to film there on early in the late fall but rarely when winter comes around, they tend to go to Dorinda's Berkshires home then. I think they, production, prefer the HWs to have their home base in the city. 

I like the show when they film the parties in the Hamptons. They should film a Halloween episode in the Hamptons.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

23 hours ago, Mozelle said:

 I don't think that Bethenny would just call randomly. I can see Jason accepting the call but then holding the phone, periodically turning it away 

I read somewhere can't find that their custody arrangement allowed liberal calling at any time.  I disagree that he would do that intentionally and I think Brynn is old enough to hold the phone.  

22 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

 If you remove Beth from this story, consider that nobody really has a reason to invent a fucked up childhood.   It's not like sympathy has some street value.   

My kid was 8 when I got her her first phone.  And that was a Firefly, one of those rinky dink 3 button things, call mom, call dad or call the police lol.  I wouldn'tve gotten her an iphone at 8.  Shit I didn't wanna get her one at 16 lol.    Anyhooo, I say that to say it's probably Jason's phone.   Carole described other petty mess like picking up just to hang up, sending nasty emails.   This dude sounds like a bitchass provocateur because none of that is about Bryn.   I'm not familiar with the nitty gritty of their divorce but he has been arraigned on stalking and harassment charges, which the police corroborate.    If it's just the two of ya'll {{kanyeshrug}} have at it.   If accurate though, Carole's description is only annoying Bethenny, but it's hurting Brynn.   If it's true he wants her to stop talking about her only child, he's dumber than it sounds like he is. 

Honestly, if I'm being asked to assess credibility by and among a former alcoholic, a combative stalker and chick I don't like?  <-- I'm with her.

Sympathy has a street value to Bethenny. Orphan was part of her brand from the moment she met Jill and got on HW. 

I am with you, I love your posts and insight. Speaking of I'm with her, I have run into the Clintons! I disagree that Jason is combative stalker. 

21 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

 the article above bases the legitimacy of her medical condition on the fact that Bernadette herself has never had any health problems.   

Nobody who believes Bernadette has answered this question:  what does Bethenny stand to gain from fabricating her childhood?

To me the soundbite about heredity is a perfectly appropriate answer to a reporters prompt of "can you imagine what the health issue might be? Is there anything that runs in your family?" Maybe she was just being a bitch,  maybe the reporter didn't include full context like what happened with Brenda Walsh When she got hooked up smoking cigs with the tabloid journalist on 90210! :-) 

Bethenny has more of a following for her brand to gain from sympathy. 

18 hours ago, Lemons said:

But does it say PH on the elevator button?  Not all top floors have a PH for a button. Typically a real penthouse has the whole top floor, maybe their own private elevator.  but I agree with bethenny that constantly referring to your apartment as "the penthouse" is pretentious. 

ITA. I just meant penthouse is accurate I always covet that button I have no business pressing in elevators ! 

11 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

The show started with Sonya and Luanne defending their relationships and Bethanny poking holes in all their arguments. Then Andy got tough and drilled Bethanny, which really surprised me because she doesn't like talking about that stuff at all, and she spent half the season not speaking to Ramona for bringing it up. That was the gateway Ramona and Luanne needed to get their digs in. I LOVED how Luanne, trying to sound musing said, "I wonder why he is so mad?" which, IMO, clearly implied that it's because Bethanny pissed him off because she's a mean bitch. I thought maybe Andy started the questioning because he was upset Bethanny admitted she was dating Dennis, when on the show she said they broke up, but pretty clearly, at least IMO, they didn't break up, just said they did. I think that sort of piqued Andy's bullshit button and he pushed Bethanny more than he would have otherwise. In any case, for Bethanny to say that her child is "isolated and happy" is ridiculous, because being isolated is not a happy place to be, and to say she's only 7 and doesn't know anything-- BULLSHIT. That kid has probably smoked pot and been drunk by now with all the mayhem going on in her life. Also IMO, Bethanny does not have any clue how to raise a child normally and just does not know how to be loving mother. A loving mother would, again IMO, not be carrying on like this with the ex, and would suck it up and give him the money or attention, or whatever he needs to make things more pleasant. She's just teaching her daughter how to be stubborn, selfish, and push people to their breaking point and then cry victim. If her life is so miserable, then why not make efforts to stop it? Also, if he's so horrible, why isn't she filing for full custody? I think she likes the attention and she likes being a victim. I had a friend whose husband was unstable and did the stalking thing, and she fought him tooth and nail for full custody for almost 10 years. I don't know that Bethanny is trying to get full custody or not, but if he is the horrible monster she says he is, I would think she would want to get her child away from him. Since she is content with shared custody, it makes me think that she has some shit to hide and she doesn't want to take the chance of being exposed. Personally, I think Jason should file for full custody, because that woman is toxic. The most she has on him is he leaves his poop in the toilet and turns the phone when Brin is on Facetime with her so he can't see her ugly ass face. The arrested for stalking thing... I don't know what led up to that, but it seems to me it isn't something Bethanny is going to want to talk about. 

Also, as far as I can tell, Tom lives in a Penthouse. A penthouse is a top floor apartment with great views and he has the wrap around terrace and top floor. So it's a penthouse. Just shut up Bethanny in a middle floor apartment bitch.

 

Agree 1000% .  Except 1000% disagree on the comment about pot and alcohol that's TOO far.  the last middle apartment line slayed me !! 

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23 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Especially since he's the one with the career and life and she's got nothing going on at all except for shopping.everyday. I find that strange. I want to know more about this perfect Scott. 

He instantly gave me the creeps but then she did too when she immediately stuck her tongue down his throat.  Made for each other.

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6 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

To me the soundbite about heredity is a perfectly appropriate answer to a reporters prompt of "can you imagine what the health issue might be? Is there anything that runs in your family?" Maybe she was just being a bitch,  maybe the reporter didn't include full context like what happened with Brenda Walsh When she got hooked up smoking cigs with the tabloid journalist on 90210! :-) 

IMO she was being a bitch. There are many other interviews she has done over the last two years. She called her dumb and lazy when it was announced the Bethenny would be on Shark Tank. Said Bethenny had no real skills with the exception of being able to surround herself with smart people. Said recently that Bethenny was a bad mother. That she let other people raise her daughter. I believe in the same interview she also said she knows nothing about Bethenny and doesn't want to. Said that she would probably cheat on Dennis, and that she cheated on her first husband. 

Talk like that doesn't come out of the blue. A person just doesn't suddenly morph into being that hateful and cruel. She does more every time she gives an interview to solidify the fact that she was a horrible mother and that what Bethenny says about her childhood must be true. I also find it incomprehensible that folks from these rags are calling her up randomly to get her comments. It sounds like she calls them up and gives them stuff about Bethenny from time to time to keep her own name out there. 

[bichonblitz]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I don't think she was on Trump's Apprentice (someone correct me if I am wrong). She was on the Martha Stewart apprentice show. 

You are correct. And Martha couldn't stand her!

[RHJunkie]

43 minutes ago, oakville said:

I think Carol should have been more aware of the political situation in the USA. She was very shocked about Trump winning the electoral college. 

Carole would be among the millions who were shocked by Trump winning. Personally, I think that she did have some worry about it because the way she talked about the election, it seemed like she was always seeking validation from others that she was right about Clinton being a shoe in to win. I think the rhetoric, polls and springs of communities that were coming out in support of Trump did put her on alert. At the time, I think she was doing her best to convince herself that it was a small but very loud minority speaking up in support of Trump.

 

12 hours ago, mothmonsterman said:

Luann not saying (but letting it be known loud and clear) who she voted for is the final nail in her coffin for me.  This, as well as her comment about her ex being upset that she was dating someone Jewish (back when she was with Jacque).

Tinsley also sealed her fate with me when she said she didn't vote and it wasn't her thing.  Being a part of the decision in the country you live in isn't your thing?  The laws and changes that are made by the president don't matter to you?  GTFO.  I took a long, hard look at her and she is totally out of place with these women.  Her totally awful, too young, too frilly clothes, her out-dated extensions, the too blonde fried hair, the way she talks (like an extra out of the movie "Clueless")-she is totally weak and I am not shocked she attached herself to her new guy and is waiting to move into a place with him before she dares live on her damned own and stand on her own two feet.  I don't like a lot of these women, but Tinsely is a disgrace to these women, she is weak, old-fashioned, non-stylish, and inarticulate-she doesn't embody a New York woman one damned bit. 

So the first strike against Luann is something that her ex husband said about Jewish people...when Luann's relationship with a Jewish man was evidence that she didn't feel the same way as her ex? And the final strike is your assumption that Luann voted for Trump. Someone choosing to note divulge who they voted for is not an indirect admission of who they voted for, it is them maintaining their right to the same privacy they were given to vote in secretly and anonymously. For the record, Luann and Bethenny spoke about politics the least on the show - BOTH of them donated to Clinton's campaign. You know who wasn't on the list? Carole and Dorinda - Clinton's two biggest advocates on the show. And there's nothing wrong if people choose to donate to a campaign or not BUT it does prove contrary to your assumption that it isn't always safe to assume.

I think that voting isn't Tinsley's thing because she has always lived a life of privilege and doesn't understand how politics can shape the very basics of life such as food, shelter, jobs, etc. That is very unfortunate that her wealth and ability to live freely has not given her an appreciation for what she has and what other don't. I wouldn't say it as harshly but Tinsley does come across as someone who doesn't care about anything beyond what affects her and so her not voting isn't surprising to me.

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Just shut up Bethanny in a middle floor apartment bitch.

That middle floor apartment could probably fit 3 or 4 of Tom's "penthouse" in it lol

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23 hours ago, janie2002 said:

Im probably alone in this but when they showed the flash back scenes with Adam, Carol, and Tinsley it looked like Adam was very intrigued by Tins. He stared at her in a way I didnt see him look at Carol, maybe he was just being nice but it looked to me like he was attracted.

Maybe because she had the fewest decades over him. ;p

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6 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

IMO she was being a bitch. There are many other interviews she has done over the last two years. She called her dumb and lazy when it was announced the Bethenny would be on Shark Tank. Said Bethenny had no real skills with the exception of being able to surround herself with smart people. Said recently that Bethenny was a bad mother. That she let other people raise her daughter. I believe in the same interview she also said she knows nothing about Bethenny and doesn't want to. Said that she would probably cheat on Dennis, and that she cheated on her first husband. 

Talk like that doesn't come out of the blue. A person just doesn't suddenly morph into being that hateful and cruel. She does more every time she gives an interview to solidify the fact that she was a horrible mother and that what Bethenny says about her childhood must be true. I also find it incomprehensible that folks from these rags are calling her up randomly to get her comments. It sounds like she calls them up and gives them stuff about Bethenny from time to time to keep her own name out there. 

I actually agree with you while at the same time believe the context of her responses is catered to what sells tabloids. My substance/mental health issue radar with her Mom pings a good deal. Bethenny would be doing the kindest thing for her mother, which she is under no obligation to do of course, by approaching her shitty childhood in a way that shows compassion for everyone involved, including herself. 

[KungFuBunny]

13 hours ago, Lemons said:

We know Bethanny's address, we know Sonya's, but the rest I'm not sure.  I thought Carole lived in the West Village and now I see it says SoHo.  And Ramona lives in Yorkville?  Suprising, that's the low rent section of the Upper East Side.  

General area of each HW

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On 8/24/2017 at 8:12 AM, motorcitymom65 said:

They are on a reality TV show. They talk about their divorces, domestic abuse, eating disorders, their sexual preferences, and all matter of things that the rest of us would never share on TV. But their role in a democratic society is a topic that is just too damned personal to discuss? Good Lord. 

Yes because it's really the only thing we all truly can relate to.  

Edited August 25, 2017 by noveltylibrary65

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8 hours ago, TessHarding2 said:

Unrelated to the reunion - I saw Jill Zarin today.  This must be my 4th time seeing her around the city.  She looks natural and has a pretty face.  Her face is small and thin (meaning she wasn't all plumped up).  She looks young, like 40 with good skin, (and I'm her age).  She's slender with long, slender legs.  Of course her voice could slice ice, but that's all I got.  I saw her in the same place that I saw Carole about a year ago.  They're all into decorating.

i still miss her! thanks for that.

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42 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

My kid was 8 when I got her her first phone.  And that was a Firefly, one of those rinky dink 3 button things, call mom, call dad or call the police lol

I did the same thing after my nephew, about the same age, went on a birthday sleepover and the parents took the boys to the local ice cream store.  My nephew knew the parents were drunk and driving so he found a nice mom and her kids and asked to use her phone to call his own parents.  After that we all got our kids Fireflys and the rule was if you were grounded from your phone you could not leave the house as the phone was now a safety necessity.  Worked like a charm.

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17 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

 

So the first strike against Luann is something that her ex husband said about Jewish people...when Luann's relationship with a Jewish man was evidence that she didn't feel the same way as her ex? 

I was very happy when Lu and Jacques were together. He came across as a fantastic guy who genuinely cared about Lu. But it bothered me that she seemed only amused by the fact that Alexandre De Lesseps would react poorly to his daughter and son's mother dating someone who was Jewish. Maybe, as with everything else Lu presents to the viewers, she chose to soften how she really felt about the Count's bigotry.

But then I wonder if this attitude had something to do with Victoria thinking it was okay to use a horrible word.

[KungFuBunny]

13 hours ago, brillia79 said:

She seems like she prefers living in the city. Why not sell the Hamptons house and buy her own "penthouse?" They could do a Million Dollar Listing crossover if Bethenny will loan her Frederik.

Luann can't afford it. She couldn't afford a 4 month rental in the city at $10K a month, no way can she afford to BUY anything