S12.E02: It's Either My Way or the Feng Shui

[HunterHunted]

Even though it was only one episode last season and briefly discussed at the reunion, Meghan has struggled with depression for years. Perhaps we're seeing a bit of postpartum depression.

[Avon.Blakes7]

Just now, HunterHunted said:

Even though it was only one episode last season and briefly discussed at the reunion, Meghan has struggled with depression for years. Perhaps we're seeing a bit of postpartum depression.

If she knows to have a disorder, being on this silly show is the last thing she should be doing! ;-(

[Hockey Addict]

Dr Hockey Addict has a way better option than fung shei for Shannon. Take one divorce once a day as needed for however long it takes. Supplement with being apart from David. Repeat as necessary.

[imjagain]

2 minutes ago, FamilyVan said:

Seriously!  When she was in her office she said that she was being bullied (?) and if people were not nice to her the gloves would come off.  When were the gloves ON?  When she was insulting everyone and their husbands?  Jeez.  This woman is delusional.

At least we didn't have to see her signature move of dropping the gloves, she is insane.  What am I saying they all are. 

I wanted ask has anyone else noticed the these OC women love to go for the "evil" word. I know others franchises like to use "vile,"   "disgusting,"  "trashy"  , "low class" ect.  The OC women love the word evil,   It always makes me laugh when  almost every season someone in the OC is referred to as "evil" 

[Ubiquitous]

7 minutes ago, FamilyVan said:

Seriously!  When she was in her office she said that she was being bullied (?) and if people were not nice to her the gloves would come off.  When were the gloves ON?  When she was insulting everyone and their husbands?  Jeez.  This woman is delusional.

I cannot help but wonder how many people roll their eyes at Vicki's claims, since everything she does is out there to see, but then again, she's fire anyone who did. I guess i answered my own question.

[Cherrio]

25 minutes ago, imjagain said:

At least we didn't have to see her signature move of dropping the gloves, she is insane.  What am I saying they all are. 

I wanted ask has anyone else noticed the these OC women love to go for the "evil" word. I know others franchises like to use "vile,"   "disgusting,"  "trashy"  , "low class" ect.  The OC women love the word evil,   It always makes me laugh when  almost every season someone in the OC is referred to as "evil" 

or say-tonic as Vicki said.    I think she may of meant satanic or was combining both as one more boozy drinks she gulps.

[JennyMominFL]

1 hour ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I believe Peggy said she had a biopsy, they found a little bit of cancer, implying it was early stage and could be treated with a lumpectomy and/or radiation, but since her mother had died of breast cancer at age 51, Peggy opted for the double mastectomy to just get it over and done with and not have to worry about it anymore.  My mom similarly had a biopsy that just had a tiny amount of cancer and opted for the lumpectomy.  At pne of her check-ups they found more cancer and she had to have a mastectomy.  At the year check-up for that they found a separate instance of pre-cancerous cells in the other breast - seriously, it was a separate instance, not just the cancer spreading, which is pretty damn uncommon.  At that time she just opted to cut straight to the chase and have the 2nd boob cut off and still wishes she would have just done them both at once at the first sign of cancer rather than trying to save her boobs and making the ordeal longer and with more surgeries and recoveries.  So TLDR my mom wishes she initially went the Peggy route.  

I

One of my closest friends had a double mastectomy 3 weeks ago today. She did not have cancer, however her mother died of Cancer, her sister currently has cancer  and she has the gene. She had a greater than 60% chance of cancer and it's now less than 2 percent. She also got reconstruction with smaller breasts, something she already wanted. The NHS paid for all of it too.  She is so relieved and happy and is recovering well. I think that was brave.

[UsernameFatigue]

51 minutes ago, FamilyVan said:

Seriously!  When she was in her office she said that she was being bullied (?) and if people were not nice to her the gloves would come off.  When were the gloves ON?  When she was insulting everyone and their husbands?  Jeez.  This woman is delusional.

I equally blame Vicki, and the producers for the mess this season is so far. Vicki should never have been brought back, when she conned (or attempted to con) every other cast member. Shannon has every right to her anger towards Vicki. She was a good friend to both Vicki and Brooks, even going so far as to set up an appointment for Brooks with a cancer specialist. One he did not attend of course, because he never had cancer. Then when Shannon does not forgive Vicki for her lies, and using Shannon's friendship to further her lies, she turns on Shannon and makes up more lies with Shannon as the target. 

The producers have brought Lydia back as they need someone to film with both Vicki and the rest of the cast (for the most part) that she has alienated. I think it will end up costing them viewers. It is obvious that Lydia's job is to stir shit. Personally, I only tuned back in this season for Shannon as I have always liked her, and still do. She likely should not have returned, but that fact that the producers are continually shoving Vicki in her face, and in turn my face, disgusts me. 

Edited July 18, 2017 by UsernameFatigue

[Former Nun]

I have read none of the postings except the one above (I'm off to an appointment).  I will be back and read everything!  Where I will NOT be however, is ever watching this dreck of a show again.  I can't stand anyting about Vicki...but was Lydia truly this stoooooopid and annoying the first time 'round?  I sure don't remember it.  Kelly?  Why isn't she in prison?  Anyway...buh-bye Orange County.

[IKnowRight]

4 hours ago, FamilyVan said:

 

I just wish Shannon had more control over how emotional she gets and her reactions.  Would have been great if she could just be like "Me? Like Vicki? I am nothing like Vicki!  Ha ha! Once you get to know me better you will see I am nothing like her", then make a you don't know what you are talking about face and shake her head in disbelief, walk away.  

As another poster already mentioned, Shannon is an easy target...I agree that she has been traumatized and she just doesn't know how to properly channel her emotions when reacting to negative situations in her world or the other HW banshees on this show!  

 

She reminds me of how quickly some people react to trolls on news articles on social media.  Trolls love to stir the pot by going to an opinion piece of their opposite politics/viewpoints websites, just so they can get a rush and a rise out of upsetting people. Shannon is that person that is easy to troll.  I hate trolls, they are lower than dirt, and in real situations some people that we have to interact with love to troll others.  It creates drama! The other ladies quickly figure out that sparks will fly if they needle Shannon, so they can be in the middle of the dirt.  Shannon needs to figure out she's an easy mark.  People know just what to say to light her up and she falls for it every time.

[Xcptnl]

Color me confused but Lydia has a job.  She is doing said job.   I guess I don't have really care about any of these woman and I watch with the jaded eye of an almost scripted show.  So I don't hate any of them.  But I also don't like them either.  I watch because it is fascinating to see what people will do for $ and recognition.   

Edited July 18, 2017 by Xcptnl

[Sun-Bun]

11 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

I didn't get the unicorn party with craft beer. I'm surprised Brianna even went. Once she realized Tamra wasn't going to talk to her, she took off. 

I didn't get that either, unless Brianna was forced to go by producers and/or she wanted to get her sons fed and happily entertained for an hour or so.

And I REALLY didn't get why Tamra felt the need to defriend Brianna on Facebook and not talk to her anymore---that wasn't cool since they were once close and had a good relationship separate from Vicki. If Tamra was having a beef only with Vikki she didn't have to drag Brianna into it. To claim to be such a reborn "Christian" woman and all((such a crock of shit---she's the same evil twat she always was, she just needed an image rehaul/storyline)), it just seemed really petty to completely ignore Brianna at the party and not be a more forgiving and welcoming hostess; she could've at least greeted her and acknowledged her and her sons' presence. But then again, that's tacky Tamra for you.

I liked Lydia her first season; I dunno when she got so annoying to me, even though I don't mind her standing up for Vicki when faced with the combined Mean Girls cray of Tamra/Shannon.

The new couple comes off so tacky new money. I actually get uncomfortable watching these Housewives get overpriced bling like that unless they're on the  Beverly Hills cast---we've seen way too much forced fronting like that in the other cities.

Megan: "Wow, motherhood is so tough and I'm so overwhelmed!" Gee, thanks for that, Captain Obvious; did this reality ever remotely occur to your dumb ass when you were sitting around uselessly dreaming of baby showers and cute onesies to buy? In other news, water is wet. And your basic new mommy antics are basic.

Oh Shannon...she's so sad to watch now; menopause is really doing a tough number on her. She just blew up like a balloon so rapidly, poor thing! I still can't help but like her even though her anti-Vicki self righteousness annoys me, and she's a shrill nag who's nuttier than a fruitcake. And her cheater husband is obviously miserable; you just wait, he's so gonna split as soon as all those girls go off to college, just like Ramona Singer's cheater husband. Can't wait to see her plate-tossing public meltdown next week though---anyone who uses Kelly for target practice is cool with me!

[teapot]

7 minutes ago, Sun-Bun said:

 

The new couple comes off so tacky new money. I actually get uncomfortable watching these Housewives get overpriced bling like that unless they're on the  Beverly Hills cast---we've seen way too much forced fronting like that in the other cities.

 

Oh Shannon...she's so sad to watch now; menopause is really doing a tough number on her. She just blew up like a balloon so rapidly, poor thing! I still can't help but like her even though her anti-Vicki self righteousness annoys me, and she's a shrill nag who's nuttier than a fruitcake. And her cheater husband is obviously miserable; you just wait, he's so gonna split as soon as all those girls go off to college, just like Ramona Singer's cheater husband. Can't wait to see her plate-tossing public meltdown next week though---anyone who uses Kelly for target practice is cool with me!

agreed.  "We don't know how many cars we have!"  Give me a break!  I mean, once Mariah  Carey said she didn't know how many *bathrooms* she had, but that time I believed it.

 

I love Shannon, I can't help it.  She's just very very real.

 

Know who is *not* real, IMO?  Lydia!  The whole "sparkle-manic-pixie-dreamgirl" shtick just seems so calculated, like she's thinking "now I should wave my arms around!  and whenever I see a cup or a spoon I need to remember to yell "YAY"!!"

[ShawnaLanne]

12 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

12 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I don't think the way you brought it up is fat shaming at all.  The way she shoved it in her mouth was pretty telling about shoving her feelings down with food. 

...

I think Shannon's real problem is her relationship with her husband,  he has pretty much always treated her with disdain and his passive aggressive taunts about her cooking or what she's eating is just another mind f*ck from him.  But I don't think she loves him either. I think she's scared to be alone. 

Shannon's buttons have always been easy to push and fairy fart Lydia, miss talking shit about her middle child on national T.V., miss I make Christians look horrible,  is already working my nerves this year. Most of it is her defense of Vickie, but I don't like anything I've seen about her. 

Tamara seems to have mellowed so much, it will be interesting to find out how long she can maintain this year. 

I like the super rich Heather replacement so much better on first impression than Heather. Heather didn't make a good first impression and kept her head up her own ass the entire time she was on.  But I do like seeing how really rich people live. 

I still hate Vickie. She's morally bankrupt and evil. Except in relation to the other women I won't be commenting on her. It speaks poorly of the franchise that they keep having her back. 

What's her name,  Meghan,  I'm bad with names,  surprised me with her return this year. Jim is clearly not into being on Reality T. V. and I thought she'd be done with it. 

I caught about 10 minutes of WWHL tonight and there was a question from a call about,  gosh, I can't remember the exact wording,  but Lydia wanted Andy to back her up about Shannon being a meanie to her and Andy took a conspicuously long drink of water. How do

How do I delete an accidental double post?

[imjagain]

24 minutes ago, teapot said:

agreed.  "We don't know how many cars we have!"  Give me a break!  I mean, once Mariah  Carey said she didn't know how many *bathrooms* she had, but that time I believed it.

 

I love Shannon, I can't help it.  She's just very very real.

 

Know who is *not* real, IMO?  Lydia!  The whole "sparkle-manic-pixie-dreamgirl" shtick just seems so calculated, like she's thinking "now I should wave my arms around!  and whenever I see a cup or a spoon I need to remember to yell "YAY"!!" 

I hate to agree with the part I bolded, but I do. I really liked Lydia her first season and I even respected her when she decided to quit the show .  Something seems  not real about her shtick, while I completely bought it her first season and still think that is who she was at that time. It now feels forced. Like she pretending to be the old Lydia. 

Edited July 18, 2017 by imjagain

[Mu Shu]

Menopause doesn't make you gain weight.   It makes it easier for you to gain weight.   Shannon is stuffing her face.  I'd wager at least 15 lbs is bloat from booze and snacking on salty/ sugary stuff.   

I hate Vicki, but she dropped 20 lbs last season, and she's Shannons age.   Vanderpump and that scalliwag Ramona keep the weight off.  

Shannon is just a professional victim. 

[LIMOM]

The only positive one on this show is Eddie. 

I don't know if Tamra really changed but if she did, I give 100% credit to that dude. 

He is too good for that mess!

[Ubiquitous]

1 hour ago, Sun-Bun said:

I didn't get that either, unless Brianna was forced to go by producers and/or she wanted to get her sons fed and happily entertained for an hour or so.

And I REALLY didn't get why Tamra felt the need to defriend Brianna on Facebook and not talk to her anymore---that wasn't cool since they were once close and had a good relationship separate from Vicki. If Tamra was having a beef only with Vikki she didn't have to drag Brianna into it. To claim to be such a reborn "Christian" woman and all((such a crock of shit---she's the same evil twat she always was, she just needed an image rehaul/storyline)), it just seemed really petty to completely ignore Brianna at the party and not be a more forgiving and welcoming hostess; she could've at least greeted her and acknowledged her and her sons' presence. But then again, that's tacky Tamra for you.

I think the producers made Brianna go, hoping Vicki wouldn't want to be left out. As for Tamra avoiding Brianna, I thought she said she didn't know how to break the ice after the fallout with her mother.

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, Sun-Bun said:

I didn't get that either, unless Brianna was forced to go by producers and/or she wanted to get her sons fed and happily entertained for an hour or so.

I think Sarah personally invited some people without running it by Tamra. Brianna was one of them. Maybe they're friendly? 

 

1 hour ago, Sun-Bun said:

And I REALLY didn't get why Tamra felt the need to defriend Brianna on Facebook and not talk to her anymore---that wasn't cool since they were once close and had a good relationship separate from Vicki.

Tamra said she did it because she didn't even want to SEE Vicki's face on SM. Which.....I get. But she could have told this to Brianna. Just a heads up - "Hey, this is nothing personal, but I think it's better for my mental health if I don't have any connections to Vicki on SM. If you ever want to just talk about other things, though, you can text me." I don't know. It is an awkward situation. 

[Cherrio]

52 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

Menopause doesn't make you gain weight.   It makes it easier for you to gain weight.   Shannon is stuffing her face.  I'd wager at least 15 lbs is bloat from booze and snacking on salty/ sugary stuff.   

I hate Vicki, but she dropped 20 lbs last season, and she's Shannons age.   Vanderpump and that scalliwag Ramona keep the weight off.  

Shannon is just a professional victim. 

Menopause is different for everyone. Personally I can tell you I gained weight and I did not eat more. I also had a lot of other fallout from it and it blew the life I had away for good.

Others can breeze thru it, others have a few changes and can reverse them.  Some as you say do gain weight because they are eating more and not healthy.

We can't lump everyone together on this.  You never know until it happens how its going to affect you.

[notnowimbusy]

Shannon is just way too wound up.  Dr Moon, Feng Shui, crystals, etc are not going to make it all better.    She can watch what she eats, but it's the alcohol that will pack on the pounds.    She was nuts at the prom deal.    Seriously, here's a hint - if you have packed on the pounds, the last thing you need to do is wear skin tight leather pants, and heels that you clearly can't walk in, and stop screaming.

I would rather see Lydia's mom on instead of Lydia.   At least her mom will smoke a joint and mellow out - but Lydia - especially doing that arm thing she does, drives me nuts. 

Peggy - can't make up my mind yet, but with all her money why does her hair look so fried?

Meghan - just take a damn nap.

Brianna - UGH

[LIMOM]

Judy is right. Shannon is a lost soul. Nothing pejorative about that. But it is obvious to me that she has lost her ways.

On the positive, her daughters are well mannered, beautiful and seem kind hearted like their mother.

I also think that Shannon needs a hobby.

As far as the feng shei and all the new agey nonsense, I understand why she wants to believe.

I believe in many irrational beliefs such as angels and more crazy stuff(to others)

she can afford it and if it helps her along the ways, why not?

On the real, I would love for her to see a menopause specialist who can also orient her toward some medical help as well.

She is hurting and it is sad to see.

David is clueless, imo.

and needs to shut the fuck up.

Signed,

a plump carb lover.

[yourmomiseasy]

7 minutes ago, notnowimbusy said:

Peggy - can't make up my mind yet, but with all her money why does her hair look so fried?

 

She just had pretty major surgery a few weeks before filming.  Everyone is different, but in my experience when your body is busy repairing itself from something like that it causes other problems.  I had arthroscopic surgery a few years ago.  It wasn't as major as a double mastectomy, but I was out of work for 2 months.  For about 6 months after surgery my hair was dry and brittle and had a lot more grey and I had dental problems like sore inflamed gums.  I can't remember, but I feel like there were some other little nuisances too.  I don't know if it was the few weeks of consistent drug use or my body just needing the energy to repair itself, but it all corrected after a few months as I got better..

[WireWrap]

8 hours ago, Ubiquitous said:

Why the fuck am I watching this show when I said I was going to quit this season?

• I need to get a piece of that bogus "Fung Shwang" action!
• I can't help but think Vicki's move to a bigger office is as fake as Brook's cancer and her claims to always be working.
• I'm not liking Lydia so much this time. Was she always such a pudding stirrer, or was she instructed to amp it up?
• Moments before Dicko showed up, I thought to myself "who's the douchebag who owns that tacky black and white car?". :-D
• Betty rubs me the wrong way. Did she get her mastectomy as a precaution measure or because she had breast cancer?
• Lydia asking about Betty's surgery seemed a bit personal to discuss with someone you just met.
• Why was Brianna invited to the party? I don't recall her knowing Tamra's daughter-in-law, so I couldn't help but wonder if this was a producer ploy to get Vicki to attend.
• Smooth moves, "friendship whisperer"! Seriously, what did she expect to happen when she introduced herself to Shannon as Vicki's friend and took her side (I'm going to ignore the ridiculousness of Lydia being unaware of what Vicki did) and repeatedly poked Shannon with a metaphorical stick?
• Shut up, Kelly!
• Gawd bless Eddie! He attends for the food, not the drama!

Both. She was diagnosed with an aggressive cancer and her mother died from BC when she, Peggy, was 21.

[RubyRena17]

Eddie is OK I guess. He never seems to engage with Tamra or any of the situations. He's there for the paycheck and the publicity for "his" gym.

Re their gym: It is out of the way for most of South OC and doesn't offer too much. Once I entertained taking a Zumba class there. No joy.

There is this grand palace of a gym in centrally located Laguna Niguel--Lifetime Fitness--which has EVERYTHING and more and is probably more useful for more people and less expensive as CUT. Also the CUT logo reminds me of  the biohazard mark for some reason.

Eddie is smart to stay out of everything in the world of RHOC politics. Not nuts about his scruffy non-shaven look either.

Bikini Champion Tamra has a tough job keeping up her older bod for Eddie. I don't think he'd stick around if she got out of shape (?)

[The Mighty Peanut]

God help me, I like Shannon. That said, her scenes make me so physically uncomfortable I find myself wanting to sink back into the primordial ooze from which we all came. 

That weight is not Vicki and Internet trolls. That weight is 40 lbs of a marriage that was over years ago. It is the heaviness of broken dreams and attempting to sustain oneself on memories of happier times.  

Gotta go--I'm getting way too deep and dark for this dumb show.

[Mu Shu]

17 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

Menopause is different for everyone. Personally I can tell you I gained weight and I did not eat more. I also had a lot of other fallout from it and it blew the life I had away for good.

Others can breeze thru it, others have a few changes and can reverse them.  Some as you say do gain weight because they are eating more and not healthy.

We can't lump everyone together on this.  You never know until it happens how its going to affect you.

Id buy it more if Shannon wasn't such a booze hound.  Face it, she always has to have drama, and it always has to be someone's fault other than her own.  

Hard to feel sorry for a woman wealthy enough to throw money away on bullshit instead of minding her health.   Shannon lives for being the  victim.  

[jaync]

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I suspect her husband is going to get busted in an airport bathroom trying to find his own "noblemen."

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 *taps back* </Jimmy Edmond's foot>

[bichonblitz]

Shannon's weight gain started before the last reunion.  She started gaining all season long, was complaining about it then and whining about working out.  She was even making comments about it AT the reunion. After the season ended and the camera's stopped rolling, she really packed it on.  So all this finger pointing about Vicki Gunvalson (Shannon loves using last names)  spreading the rumor about David beating her being the reason for the weight gain is BS. Nice try  though, Shannon Beador. 

Oh, and.... did she really take that piece of bread she was chomping on out of her mouth to show David how big the piece was?  All I can say to that is God Bless You, David.  God Bless you for putting up with that whackadoodle for all these years.  This woman has deep, deep issues. 

Edited July 18, 2017 by bichonblitz

[UsernameFatigue]

I find it interesting that some are piling on Shannon for her weigh gain, and being unhealthy. Too bad for Shannon that she is a stress eater. Personally when I am stressed I don't eat. So if I were in Shannon's position, I would most likely have lost weight and people would be complimenting me on how great I look. But I would be just as unhealthy as Shannon because I would not be eating healthy either. Perceptions. 

I went through menopause in my early 40s, and since then have said that it used to take me a year to gain 10 lbs, and two weeks to lose it. Now (since I went through menopause) it takes me two weeks to gain 10 lbs and a year to lose it. A bit of an exaggeration, but not much. And I have barely drank since going through menopause as it definitely causes me to gain weight. As I tell people who think I don't drink because I frown on it, I would rather eat my calories than drink them. 

I consider many of the HWs in the series I watch to be boozehounds (much more than Shannon). Most of the RHONY gang, including Lu, Sonja, Ramona and Dorinda. Especially Dorinda. Either they are blessed with metabolisms that can handle it, or take something to counteract weight gain. My money is on the latter. 

Edited July 18, 2017 by UsernameFatigue

[ShawnaLanne]

6 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

 

Tamra should've taken the $$$ she spent on the party and given the parents a gift certificate for ongoing therapy if she really loved her granddaughter . Would've paid for a year or two of it! WTF hillbilly couture was (god I can't think of her name) Ryan's gf Ava's mom wearing at the birthday party!!!!! 

 

Tamra's awful in do many ways,  but if Ryan ever showed any interest in counselling, she'd pay for it. 

Did you notice that whatever work Ada's mom had done on her face,  can't remember her name either, she looks a lot more like Tamra now. Check it out in their lunch when there is a profile shot of the two of them. Creepy. 

3 hours ago, imjagain said:

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I wanted ask has anyone else noticed the these OC women love to go for the "evil" word. I know others franchises like to use "vile,"   "disgusting,"  "trashy"  , "low class" ect.  The OC women love the word evil,   It always makes me laugh when  almost every season someone in the OC is referred to as "evil" 

It goes with their born again Christian schtick. 

Edited July 18, 2017 by ShawnaLanne

[ShawnaLanne]

4 hours ago, Former Nun said:

I have read none of the postings except the one above (I'm off to an appointment).  I will be back and read everything!  Where I will NOT be however, is ever watching this dreck of a show again.  I can't stand anyting about Vicki...but was Lydia truly this stoooooopid and annoying the first time 'round?  I sure don't remember it.  Kelly?  Why isn't she in prison?  Anyway...buh-bye Orange County.

Lydia was annoying, but not as bad. The first time she did all of her pixie fairy dust crap,  but it seemed to be somewhat sincere. This time she's doing all of that,  multiplied by 10, while calling herself the friendship whisperer and stirring the pot with Shannon for air time. It makes her infinity unlikable.  Plus she talked crap about her middle kid on national t. v., calling him,  oh I forget the word,  but something like a whiner. She's just mean this season, so her fairy fart crap makes me want to punch her in the face. 

Edited July 18, 2017 by ShawnaLanne

[lilmarysunshine]

I think her name is Sarah.

What is with these women wearing stilettos to a 2 year old's party that is outdoors and is partly on grass? They just look so ridiculous to me. Tamra could have worn some sandals or even wedges.

I did not think Shannon's behavior was odd before the dance. A lot of times someone has to be the one to make something happen in terms of pictures, etc and she was just trying to be humorous, I think.

Sounds like Kelly tells her next week she needs some hormones. Not sure that is bad advice!

[ghoulina]

36 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Oh, and.... did she really take that piece of bread she was chomping on out of her mouth to show David how big the piece was?

YES. Yes, she did. She burned the bread and was rushing around the kitchen getting another batch together. David was helping. Her mouth was clearly full and she was lamenting that she was stress eating to David. So he said something like, "Ah, hon, you should't have done that" - maybe not the most helpful, but I bet she's told him to help hold her accountable. So then she flips around and PROVES just how little a piece it was by removing it from her mouth. Egads, woman. 

[sheetmoss]

7 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Vicki's grandchildren were not happy or surprised to see her . Either: 1 that's how they feel about her or 2 it's like everything w Vicki, fake and that entrance was staged or recreated and Vicki had been there a while. I say FAKE because like Brianna hadn't told her Vicks previously that she got an invite to that party already. Brianna texted Vicki the second she got the invite I would bet. 

 

I'm going to take a different viewpoint, Vicki may be in their lives so much   that grandma simply being there/stopping by  isn't special-- which I view as a good thing...grandma is just another  member of the family

 

I get the Tamra and Briana not having contact   -  it puts Briana in the middle w/Vicki to be social with her.

    Tamra not having a fit because Briana was invited to the party, to me, shows growth in Tamra - next spurt of growth would be to acknowledge  Briana is there, greeting her and make social nice as a guest.

Edited July 18, 2017 by sheetmoss

[DrivingSideways]

I used to feel bad for Shannon when she would get gaslit by people.  But although Vicki was sleazy for going along with Brooks, I definitely think Shannon has overplayed her betrayal card and now looks like the crazy one.  She's so easy to trigger, so when people mess with her, I no longer feel bad for her and instead laugh my ass off.  She puts herself on this show, so it's on her.  

I can't believe I would ever say this, but Tamra seems to have really changed.  She actually does seem like a grounded, decent person now.  I was calling her a rapist until a few years ago.  I do hope they get past all of this and she reconnects with Vicki, because they are fun together.

Speaking of Vicki... I know it's not popular but I adore Vicki, because she is crazy.  She was harmless crazy with Donn, and it's not been fun watching her flame out the past few seasons.  But I laughed a lot when she called Shannon's distractions a crock of shit.  She's absolutely right.  

Lydia seems the same to me as she ever did.  I enjoy her more than Heather, so it's an upgrade to me.  I was promised we were done with Meghan, I thought??  Why is she back?  GO AWAY.  She was sensible last season but it still unlikeable.

[ghoulina]

3 minutes ago, lilmarysunshine said:

I did not think Shannon's behavior was odd before the dance. A lot of times someone has to be the one to make something happen in terms of pictures, etc and she was just trying to be humorous, I think.

Not just then. There was a moment where she kept asking if there was room for her in the limo to the dance. She was just being really loud and a bit too involved with the teenagers, IMO. But I couldn't tell if it was normal, zany Shannon or one-too-many-Grey-Gooses-Shannon. 

[imjagain]

22 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Tamra's awful in do many ways,  but if Ryan ever showed any interest in counselling, she'd pay for it. 

Did you notice that whatever work Ada's mom had done on her face,  can't remember her name either, she looks a lot more like Tamra now. Check it out in their lunch when there is a profile shot of the two of them. Creepy. 

It goes with their born again Christian schtick. [/b{

That's kind of what I thought too. 

[notnowimbusy]

13 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Not just then. There was a moment where she kept asking if there was room for her in the limo to the dance. She was just being really loud and a bit too involved with the teenagers, IMO. But I couldn't tell if it was normal, zany Shannon or one-too-many-Grey-Gooses-Shannon. 

I suspect when Shannon feels overwhelmed she may take a drink or two  or three- not just in the evening.    She justifies it by telling herself it calms her down.  

[Lizzing]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

I think Sarah personally invited some people without running it by Tamra. Brianna was one of them. Maybe they're friendly? 

That's how I read the situation.  Brianna might have taken a liking to Sarah after Sarah watched Brianna's kids when Bri was rushed to the hospital last season.  Plus, they are both in relationships with wackadoo Ryans...that alone could fuel many an evening of swapping stories over wine.

[WordsWordsWords]

I didn't mind Lydia when she was on before. I didn't really have an opinion. This time. she annoys me enormously. I don't like anyone -- on TV or real life -- who shrieks "Woo hoo" at the top of her lungs on any excuse ( see: Vicki G. ). I give exceptions to kids under the age of, say, ten.

I didn't think I could loathe Kelly more than I did last year. From her tagline, "If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you," to her continued general nastiness, she continues to prove me wrong. She is the least likable and least interesting HW in all of the HW universe. That takes some doing. She deserves a medal.

As others have said, I think Sarah invited Briana without telling Tamra. And I think Tamra should have told Briana why she was unfriending her -- if she really felt the need to do that. I mean, most, if not all, social media have an unfollow/mute function where you can avoid seeing someone's posts or Tweets without actually unfriending or deleting them. But, of course, Tamra couldn't exercise her new-found Christianity enough to consider another person's feelings.

Shannon is still a little nuts. David is still a passive-aggressive lump of misery.

I miss Heather.

The first thing I said when I say that black-and-white car: That's just tacky. When I saw all the others: Massive eye-roll. Apparently Mr. Moneybags, whose name I don't remember at this point, thinks that's a cool colour scheme. One of us is sadly misguided. Re: all the diamonds - conspicuous consumption is conspicuous. *sigh*

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[Cherrio]

19 minutes ago, WordsWordsWords said:

whose name I don't remember at this point,

Dicko?   Which seems to go well with his taste.

[jaybird2]

10 hours ago, oakville said:

Lydia' family is very wealthy. They own a tv station in Newfoundland.

wasn't there an issue with her brother/uncle and some sort of sex scandal (in canada) and that is why she didn't return?

[VedaPierce]

I usually find Shannon beyond annoying and ridiculous, but strangely, found her endearing on prom night! I thought she was cute and corny and told silly jokes, but thought she was really sweet. Her jokes about getting into a limo were just what a silly parent who loves her kid so much would say. :) I was actually very touched. I liked this shannon. 

[TexasGal]

I was watching distracted, but I thought Lydia's husband had told her Peggy had had a vasectomy and I was like - huh?  What a bozo!  <sigh>

So, I really REALLY wanted to hear how Shannon's feng shui expert was going to suggest she fix the fact that there was a bathroom in her relationship area or whatever the eff she said.  Move the bathroom?  Reorient the house?  I mean, how do you fix that?  Especially since it's a rental.

Edited July 18, 2017 by TexasGal

[ShawnaLanne]

1 hour ago, DrivingSideways said:

...

Speaking of Vicki... I know it's not popular but I adore Vicki, because she is crazy.  She was harmless crazy with Donn, and it's not been fun watching her flame out the past few seasons.  But I laughed a lot when she called Shannon's distractions a crock of shit.  She's absolutely right.  

I always wonder what it is about Vickie that people still respond to in a positive way,  I suppose that makes.

[VedaPierce]

Couldn't care less about the state of Kelly's marriage. Could. Not. Care. Less. Two morons that might get divorced. Big whoop. 

I think lydia gets a bonus if she brings Vickie back into the fold. The show needs them all together to survive and Lydia cares so much, as if she's getting paid to. why did she leave the first magazine to start this one? Because the first one was a huge success that always flew off the shelves? Nah...

[Cheetosandchoc]

8 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Crazy thing, I believe Lydia was trying to say that Shannon's reaction to Lydia and the subject matter was close to the way Vicki responded to Lydia over that topic of conversation during THEIR talk and not  about comparing their behaviors during the conflicts they've been having with each other over the years.

Lydia never got to finish her point but the second time she say "I said you REMINDED me of....."

I took that as Lydia trying to say "okay, your resistance to find resolution and your absolutely not vibe is the same as the attitude Vicki had when we spoke " I think Lydia was just trying to say ummmmmm "you're being just as stubborn as Vicki, not even trying to find some sort of neutral ground".

       I know what your saying but Lydia talked to Vicki as a friend. Shannon never met Lydia before this, she never expressed to her that she wanted her and Vicki to be friends, or mentioned Vicki wanted a resolution. She just started in on her. Lydia is not a neutral person in Shannon's eyes. She is Vicki's friend. Lastly, in order to mediate a situation the two parties have to want some sort of resolution, and agree to who the mediator is. Shannon didn't even know what Lydia's motives were. If Lydia were serious about helping them she should of at least established a relationship with Shannon. When she saw how upset Shannon was she should of retreated and let Shannon speak her peace and acknowledged how hurt she was. She didn't even let Shannon tell her side, and it shouldn't of been done at a party. It was a crappy thing to do.

[Former Nun]

2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

All I can say to that is God Bless You, David.  God Bless you for putting up with that whackadoodle for all these years.  

And vice versa.

[Former Nun]

3 hours ago, Ubiquitous said:

I think the producers made Brianna go, hoping Vicki wouldn't want to be left out.

You're mucn nicer than I.    I think the entire party was Bravo-run and Bravo-paid.  They knew and/or selected who should and should not be invited.