S09.E10: Black Out and Get Out

[UsernameFatigue]

I agree with those who have said Dorinda is an amazing hostess. However that is sober Dorinda. I would love to have seen drunk Dorinda take on Sonja wearing her dead husband's gift to her. Though that would have caused drunk Dorinda even more pain, so maybe not. 

I was taken aback at how Dorinda looked in the pic with Jill in 2011, but then remembered that that is the year Richard died. So either she was taking care of a dying husband, or was a newly widowed woman. She may have had some work done since then, but she really looked grief stricken more than anything. 

Edited June 8, 2017 by UsernameFatigue

[zoeysmom]

4 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

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Poor Dorinda - you could see the hurt in her eyes when she was talking to Ramona about the damage Ramona did to the bedroom. I wonder if she was regretting throwing Ramona that huge surprise birthday party just a few weeks before. And Ramona thinks she is a good friend. Yikes - she has surpassed Vicki of RHOC as the most delusional HW I watch. 

Twice now Tom has said that he likes Ramona, (at least twice that I remember) and both times it has pissed Lu off. And ya, what is that all about - referring to Tom's dalliance at the Regent as an affair? Which makes me think he slept with the woman, and likely more than once. No one, least of all Lu, is going to call that an affair unless these was  more to it that we know. She also looked very uncomfortable at the thought of Tom being footloose and fancy free the night before the wedding. As she should be. 

I get the impression that Tom is trying way too hard to be "above it all", in one sentence he is saying Ramona is "nice"-something never before being attributed to her-and moments later he is delivering an account of how Ramona is calling his friends.  Sometimes it is okay just to say nothing about a person.  My guess is Tom does not want to give Ramona a reason to go off on him in public.

[AnnaL]

3 hours ago, WireWrap said:

It took Bethenny a whole year to apologize to Luann and I suspect that her PR team had something to do with her apologizing for it on camera.

The same moment that she screamed at Luann is the moment when Bethenny said that what she said was horrible and that if she were Luann she would never speak to her again. It didn't take a whole year for her to realize that. 

[UsernameFatigue]

13 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I get the impression that Tom is trying way too hard to be "above it all", in one sentence he is saying Ramona is "nice"-something never before being attributed to her-and moments later he is delivering an account of how Ramona is calling his friends.  Sometimes it is okay just to say nothing about a person.  My guess is Tom does not want to give Ramona a reason to go off on him in public.

The reason I thought it was interesting is that the first time was when the audience was introduced to Tom at a dinner last season when he and Lu were newly dating. Ramona's name came up, and he defended her then as well saying that he liked Ramona. That annoyed Lu then as well. So for whatever reason he seems to have a soft spot for her, even with what she has been doing/saying about he and Lu.

Edited June 8, 2017 by UsernameFatigue

[imjagain]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I know rent in NYC would be crazy high for a broom closet but the apartment Carole showed Tinsley was not bad, that was a huge bathroom although it was not laid out very well but there was livable space for $7100/month, yikes. I would think Tinsley would want to stay away from the UES because $7100/month may get you very little up that end of town.  I think she and Carole would be fast friends, making a different dynamic for Bethenny, (for the record, $7100/month in Baltimore would give you an amazing view of the harbor in one of our new high rises with open floor plans a few bedrooms huge closets a gourmet kitchen, valet and concierge plus amenities out the wahzoo and all of your friends would think you are nuts but they would be pea green with envy).

What was with Dorinda and her racks of many clothes, are they always there in her bedroom?  Why did she have Sonya's dress in the mix?

Jill looked so much younger now than she did seasons ago and Bobby (aka Bawby) looked healthy.

Loved Lu's response to Jill saying she was sorry that Bethenny would not be attending the wedding, her response of "meet for lunch sometime," Lu can be so glib, can you imagine those two getting in to it at the wedding?  Lu was not about to take the chance with anyone fighting at her wedding. 

That was brilliant, I love Lu's very dry, "invite her to lunch". Jill still can't quit Beth. 

I did like Jill saying, she had to admit she missed it, she missed the gossip. We know Jill,  we know. 

6 minutes ago, AnnaL said:

The same moment that she screamed at Luann is the moment when Bethenny said that what she said was horrible and that if she were Luann she would never speak to her again. It didn't take a whole year for her to realize that. 

No,  it took her a year to apologize... 

She might have known she was wrong. She just  didn't see the need to apologize till cameras were running. 

[Natalie68]

3 hours ago, BckpckFullaNinjas said:

Those two used to be the silly, fun-loving drunk aunties and occasionally a voice of sanity (compared to Aviva, who wasn't?) but now they're unremittingly vile.

Am I The only one who doesnt make the guest bed I've slept in, when I leave?  But I don't just leave it unmade-- I at least turn the coverlet or spread down on the foot of the bed, leave the sheets loosely bunched in the middle and the pillows to one side so the host/housekeeper has everything  reasonably handy to gather up for the laundry.

Oh -- maybe that was what Dorinda meant by "make the bed." As opposed to leaving it a total mess...which would be Ramina's default behavior, I imagine. Entitled wretch.

I usually strip the bed, gather whatever trash I create, tie up the trash bag and leave the room tidy (ask if the host wants me to put the linens/towels anywhere special).  I worked in motels when I was in jr high/high school and some habits never die.  I never leave a motel/hotel room without doing the same (and tossing in a tip).

[SunnyBeBe]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I know rent in NYC would be crazy high for a broom closet but the apartment Carole showed Tinsley was not bad, that was a huge bathroom although it was not laid out very well but there was livable space for $7100/month, yikes. I would think Tinsley would want to stay away from the UES because $7100/month may get you very little up that end of town.  I think she and Carole would be fast friends, making a different dynamic for Bethenny, (for the record, $7100/month in Baltimore would give you an amazing view of the harbor in one of our new high rises with open floor plans a few bedrooms huge closets a gourmet kitchen, valet and concierge plus amenities out the wahzoo and all of your friends would think you are nuts but they would be pea green with envy).

What was with Dorinda and her racks of many clothes, are they always there in her bedroom?  Why did she have Sonya's dress in the mix?

Jill looked so much younger now than she did seasons ago and Bobby (aka Bawby) looked healthy.

Loved Lu's response to Jill saying she was sorry that Bethenny would not be attending the wedding, her response of "meet for lunch sometime," Lu can be so glib, can you imagine those two getting in to it at the wedding?  Lu was not about to take the chance with anyone fighting at her wedding.

I agree with the comments above about the apt that Carol introduced to Tinsley.   I got the impression, that it was not up to her standards.  That's just the vibe I got.  I am a location person too, but, if there is a good deal, why not find a new hairstylist or get a cab when you need it.  I mean, what else does she have to do all day?  

What kind of job does Adam have that he photographs sexy salads?  It sounds fascinating. lol 

[MerryMary]

I think Tinsley would be happy in that apartment.  I don't even know her, but I think she would be happy there.  Very astute of Carol to say that Tinsley really doesn't want to reinvent herself, she wants her old life back.

Lu did say they got over Tom's affair right?  I thought he was kissing someone in a bar.  Now he had an affair?  I can't keep up.

[UsernameFatigue]

I wonder with Bravo bringing in Jill a few times this season they are floating bringing her back if Bethenny doesn't return. With her new show with Fredrick, plus Shark Tank, I don't know if Bethenny will return?

Regarding sheets, I usually ask my hostess what she would prefer. Personally when I have guests, unless I plan on doing laundry the day they leave (and usually after guests I have too many other things to attend to) I prefer than they make the bed and I get around to laundering the sheets when I can. I hate having the sheets sitting in the laundry basket staring at me everytime I pass the laundry room saying "Wash me now!". 

Edited to add- I would be fine with Jill returning, if only to see Bobby now and again. What a gem that man is. 

Edited June 8, 2017 by UsernameFatigue

[Ellee]

10 minutes ago, MerryMary said:

I think Tinsley would be happy in that apartment.  I don't even know her, but I think she would be happy there.  Very astute of Carol to say that Tinsley really doesn't want to reinvent herself, she wants her old life back.

Lu did say they got over Tom's affair right?  I thought he was kissing someone in a bar.  Now he had an affair?  I can't keep up.

'Affair' meaning 'incident' I would hope.  Lol, I didn't hear this.  Talk about putting her foot in her mouth. 

When Ramona reads this ..... she might be posting non-stop to you to get the scoop!   :D 

Edited June 8, 2017 by Ellee

[Lemons]

11 hours ago, biakbiak said:

I don't necessarily think Ramona was "lying" about the comment about Bethenny saying something about Carole being boring, it just went through Ramona's crazy batshit ears because B has expressed in her talking heads and even to Carole how all she could talk about was the election and that was boring.

She was lying. Having a friend talk about a boring subject and being boring are two different things.

 Everyone has a friend or relative that at one time or other goes off on a really boring subject. Ramona manipulated that into saying "bethany thinks you're boring."  Ramona is evil and hateful. 

[poeticlicensed]

13 minutes ago, MerryMary said:

Lu did say they got over Tom's affair right?  I thought he was kissing someone in a bar.  Now he had an affair?  I can't keep up.

I heard that too. I thought he was just making out at a bar and someone snapped pics and sent them to Beth. Now it was an affair? Who calls a make out session an affair? 

But then again, Ramona seems to think that if she has a drink with someone, they are dating. 

[Pickles]

I wonder why Ramona is no longer working? She always seemed like a true career gal who enjoyed her work and did very well for herself. It just seems like with her marriage ending, Avery being in college/graduating, she might have wanted to continue with work to keep busy. Maybe she now has too much time on her hands and is going off the deep end. 

[Ki-in]

While people are split over their feelings for Jill, it seems that most everyone likes Bobby.  I do wish him well in his cancer battle. I was only a casual watcher so I only saw bits and pieces with Jill (only the clip of the skating scene-oy) but what I most remember is her grilling boring Cindy Barshop over CB's twins, were they her eggs, whose sperm, did she use a surrogate, damn she was nosy. I saw Jill on a celebrity wife swap and if it was even a fraction of what her actual life is then she is a most desperate fame whore. She's rich, has a loving family and entertains non-stop yet she wants to put her life out there to be dissected and ridiculed especially after getting the cold shoulder on Scary Island. I understand some of the other women who need the money but I don't think she does. I am neutral on her return and felt that it was way too hyped up. I thought it was funny though when she almost stuck the straw up her nose.

 

Forgot to add: they remind me of those couples where you LOVE one partner but can't stand the other. My bff was told by some friends to not bring her husband around anymore because no one liked him. At that point neither did she so she was happy to oblige.

Edited June 8, 2017 by Ki-in

[sheetmoss]

6 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Ramona still shows no remorse over and blames the damage on the fact she was unable to unplug the lights.

Ramona did not buy the Hamptons house before she married Mario, they did not buy it until after Avery was born-or so she said when she gave the history of the house.  It always sounded to me like the house came on the heels of Mario's father dying. I have a hard time believing a thirtysomething, childless woman would plop down bucks for a huge summer house.  If Ramona was even going to the Hamptons in her thirties she would want to be where the action is-not stuck out in South Hampton in a rambler.

 

 

My mistake - I remember Ramona saying she bought the South Hampton house with her own money in an interview and I thought it was before she was married,

There's this:

RadarOnline recently reported that the duo had been fighting over their real estate and a source said 'Ramona earned all the money that bought both homes,' 

The insider added: 'the home she bought in Southampton, she bought with premarital funds of her own.' 

 

I don't know if they use generators to light the set aka Dorinda's house,  but I guess it's possible Ramona  just couldn't unplug the lighting depending on the set-up..

[Lemons]

5 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Who pays 10K to "de-moth" their closet? I had a moth infestation in my pantry. Cost me the price of a couple of cans of moth spray, and I washed down and repainted the walls. Problem solved. If the problem was IN the walls, that's a different story, but still, 10K? B is one of those people who thinks that the more money you spend, the better the product. Not necessarily true. 

You have to wonder what Bethany would do if she got the dreaded NYC bedbugs. 

[QuinnM]

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You have to wonder what Bethany would do if she got the dreaded NYC bedbugs. 

Easy

1. Call John
2. Write a Check
3. Move to a Hotel

Life is easier when you have money.

[shoegal]

14 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Ramona was really bizarre and messed up on this episode. I sort of think she looks down on Bethanny and she likes to bring up that Bethanny was unsuccessful at being an actress and only got roles that she was naked in, like she did porn. Ramona is very much a prude, and sexually repressed, imo. Although she is right that Bethanny grew up privileged and definitely seems ungrateful for all that she had, instead focusing on how awful her childhood was. 

The place Carole showed Tinsley was pretty hideous. But it's who lives there, not what the place looks like I guess. 

Adam seemed like a really tall toddler at the house, playing and fiddling with toys and not really adding to any conversation or being interesting. Doing boy things, like making salads and working an insane camera 

How does Bethanny ever relax? that moth did not eat her sweater. It's there because she has insanely bright lights and bugs like lights. Her closet was like 1000 watts. 

OK this part I don't understand.  I feel like this is pretty much the personification of the notion that money doesn't buy happiness.  Bethenny grew up in a dysfunctional, chaotic, violent household where she was told that she was unwanted (confirmed by step dad and multiplied by abandonment by her bio dad)...but they had money!  Therefore, Bethenny should be fine?  She should be "grateful"?  It's like when someone grows up in poverty but has a stable, loving, supportive family and becomes successful.  They key is the family, not the financials.  

Edited June 8, 2017 by shoegal

[Trooper York]

Jill is the classic yenta. I know it rubs some people the wrong way but in New York we are used to it so we don't take it too seriously. I was a big Bethenny fan when she was duking it out with Jill. Now my attitude has changed as I realize they are both horrible just in different ways. 

I do think Jill would bring a lot back to the show. They need to rethink the line up and expand it a little. Even if she was just a friend of the show to start. She can be a sniper from the side. Luann could use the support. It would be interesting to see how the rest of them would line up.

[politichick]

4 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Sorry I'm distracted.  My bad.  She went back down to the kitchen that night.  But I don't remember if it was before or after the I made it nice speech.

The bottom line is that she apologized. She was appalled by her behavior and acknowledged that. Ramona doesn't apologize for anything really because on the rare occasions when she admits she did something wrong it always comes with some half-assed excuse to justify what she did/said. 

Ramona is completely unhinged and needs to get a job or some kind of project/charity to work on. She got a sudden and grave case of empty-nest syndrome when her beloved daughter left home, followed by her husband in the worst possible way. She's obviously not adjusted well, especially to the divorce.

I also don't blame Bethenny for leaving. She spent several hours there, it was clear that Ramona was going to keep up her nonsense. They were not spending the next day at Dorinda's. Everyone kind of grabbed something to eat on her own and then left, so why not go home and sleep in your own bed. And yes, she was very curt with the worker, but as someone who is currently dealing with a crew of daft interns, I feel her pain, and sometimes you can't help being a tiny bit rude.

The Carole artwork was really cool. If I were her I'd want one to hang in the bedroom or private bathroom under glass.

Don't need to see more of Jill AT ALL, ever again. People have mentioned that Bobby is not well. Does anyone here know what ails him? I hope he gets better but the Zarins can stay off of my screen, thank you.

[janie2002]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

No it looked like a grit your teeth kinda laugh.  I am not sure if it was because she was really worried or if it was more of a great, more fodder for others type of laugh.  I am thinking the later cause I still think she doesn't care about what she doesn't know about.

Reminds me of Karen from Will and grace. Just point your  heels to the sky and think of handbags. Lu is just trying to think of Aspen and Palm Springs and Hamptons

[Normades]

I really hate the way Sonja has treated Tinsley.  Her statement about Tinsley knowing better than to ask that someone open the door and accept a package (heaven forbid!) because her mother taught her better manners was so passive aggressive.  I'd like to know what Sonja's mother told her about rifling through someone's lingerie and wearing their clothing without asking permission.  

I felt so awful for Dorinda after Sonja used her lingerie that had sentimental value to her and then Ramona abused her lovely home.  I think one of the reasons she didn't get really confrontational about it was because she was so hurt and upset.  She probably didn't want to lose it in front of the cameras.  These two dolts (especially the morally corrupt Ramona (TM Allison Dubois)) need to be called on the way they treat others and their property.

[WireWrap]

3 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Oh, but remember during the reunion that she kept arguing that it was PLASTIC.  It wasn't a glass.  Because that makes it SO much better!  She also started grabbing for the oar. 

Ramona was truly unhinged during last night's episode. I don't know what is the cause of it but she needs to seek some serious help. 

I believe she quickly addressed it in one of the episodes that she is retired.  She apparently has nothing to do all day except investigate other Housewives. 

Ramona actually tossed the oar at Kristen, she was lucky it missed!

[Wendy]

Luann forced smile when Tom said he needed a pass was pitiful, I bet her jaw was hurting. 

It only lasted few minutes though, as soon as they arrived to the helipad she was in heaven again. 

Oh the blessings of being such a materialistic hag!!! 

[ghoulina]

4 hours ago, Ki-in said:

I'm wondering if it's just alcohol. Can anti-depressants mixed with alcohol create this effect? It seems like more than booze to me.

I agree. We've seen Ramona drunk plenty. This looked like something else. What I can't say, but it was....odd...

[Ki-in]

I just realized that they said the artist Linda Mason was a make-up artist, right? I have one of her books from the 80's : Linda Mason's Sun Sign Makeovers. 

[HunterHunted]

It's too bad that so much of Tinsley's storyline has been focused on her odd couple arrangement with Sonja. I think Carole could be a much better influence on Tinsley. I think Carole is correct that Tinsley is back to recreate her old life, not for a new start.

There are two types of people who would remember Tinsley: ladies on the UES who found her famewhoring distasteful and artsy hipsters who remember High Society and the Gawker coverage and might actually give her a chance. I think Carole recognizes that it's not going to be so easy for Tinsley to reclaim her old life. Tinsley wants her old apartment, to be invited to the same parties, and have the same guys interested in her. But Tinsley blew up her old life because she loved going out and having princes and billionaires flirt with her. Not going to happen. She cheated on Topper, started hanging out with thieves, racists, and Bristol Palin's baby daddy at porn awards, and got involved with the abusive scion of a sugar fortune who is talking shit about her on every continent. These people do not want Tinsley back. Charlotte York MacDougal it's time to leave those people behind.

Carole keeps trying to set Tinsley up with nice successful normal guys because she knows that is what Tinsley needs. It may not be what she wants, but it's what she needs. Tinsley's had her Princess Grace moment and she fucked it up. Now it's time for her to remember what she wanted to do before she thought she could be the new C.Z. Guest or Babe Paley.

27 minutes ago, shoegal said:

OK this part I don't understand.  I feel like this is pretty much the personification of the notion that money doesn't buy happiness.  Bethenny grew up in a dysfunctional, chaotic, violent household where she was told that she was unwanted (confirmed by step dad)...but they had money!  Therefore, Bethenny should be fine?  She should be "grateful"?  It's like when someone grows up in poverty but has a stable, loving, supportive family and becomes successful.  They key is the family, not the financials.  

Seriously. Paris Hilton has 3 siblings. They grew up quite wealthy. However, their parents only nominally tried to raise them. It's the reason that all of the kids except for Nicky have had drug and law enforcement issues. Nicky is the only kid in that family who doesn't have a mugshot. Or from Ladies of London, the 10th Earl of Sandwich molested a number of boys including one of his sons. That house must have been a nightmare for this son despite their title and wealth.

Edited June 8, 2017 by HunterHunted

[Baltimore Betty]

How is Ramona's "Are you kidding me," not yet a meme on this board?  C'mon savy meme people, let's see something clever!

[ElDosEquis]

24 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Easy

1. Call John
2. Write a Check
3. Move to a Hotel

Life is easier when you have money.

4. Have her assistant pick them from out of her crotch, kill them, mount the on a card for identification and berate her for NOT knowing her burrowing insects from the winged variety.......

[Ms Blue Jay]

11 hours ago, lunastartron said:

"I have never in my life been spoken to the way she spoke to me."

Huh? I thought Bethenny's life has been a saga of ongoing victimization by one intimate after another. First through the physical violence and emotional/mental abuse of her parental figures. Then via the psychological sadism of Jason and his mom. And, just last year, at the proverbial hands of Jules's hair.

Now, suddenly, the worst thing that's ever been said to her are the ramblings of a drunken coworker? Which, to emphasize the point, didn't even include any of the epithets, bigotry, and racist undertones that Bethenny herself has deployed over the past couple of years.

Exaggerations and hyperboles are fine and make me laugh, but when people make the hyperbole about THEMSELVES and how THEIR lives/struggles are the 'worst ever' then I'm sorry but it DOESN'T make me laugh and it just makes everyone not take you seriously.  I know some people think their struggles are the worst ever and think they feel things so much deeper than others, but honestly, now that I'm an adult I realize I can't really be around people like that and I don't have to.

One of my friends has a sort of catchphrase that sticks with me.  "You don't know what another person is going through in their life."  And it's just simply put, true....  I have a hard time standing anyone who makes it seem like their drama is so much worse than others'.  It's not even that I want to disagree, or argue, or compete, and I don't even have anything against Bethanny. I just can't be around it.

(I think Ramona is terrible, though.)  Bethanny I can enjoy as a television presence..... unless she pulls the shit like she did against Luann (and Jules) last season.

Edited June 8, 2017 by Ms Blue Jay

[motorcitymom65]

4 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Sorry I'm distracted.  My bad.  She went back down to the kitchen that night.  But I don't remember if it was before or after the I made it nice speech.

It wasn't in the morning. She apologized not long after her big "whore" rant, after talking with Carole. She apologized to Lu in the kitchen and Lu accepted her apology. I cannot find the clip, but remembered Carole writing about it in her blog at the time, when talking about the fact that it took months for Lu to apologize to Carole for the shit she had said about her the season before: 

"You may think Bethenny over-reacted or was all “mean girl” (to use that eighth grade expression) and maybe she was, but she has the one thing Luann lacks –- self-awareness. It’s a very good quality. Bethenny knows immediately that she said something to Luann that she is ashamed of saying and she apologizes. She doesn’t need someone to coach her through an insincere apology 10 months later. She called Luann a terrible name and the very same night she said she was sorry. No lying about apologizing. She actually apologizes. That very same night. And she should have. Does anyone see the difference?"

Edited June 8, 2017 by motorcitymom65

[LIMOM]

26 minutes ago, shoegal said:

OK this part I don't understand.  I feel like this is pretty much the personification of the notion that money doesn't buy happiness.  Bethenny grew up in a dysfunctional, chaotic, violent household where she was told that she was unwanted (confirmed by step dad and multiplied by abandonment by her bio dad)...but they had money!  Therefore, Bethenny should be fine?  She should be "grateful"?  It's like when someone grows up in poverty but has a stable, loving, supportive family and becomes successful.  They key is the family, not the financials.  

You know what?

yes her childhood was difficult but having money helped her tremendously.

Her parents could have been poor and abusive. THen what? She calls 911. The cops come  and she is sent to Foster home or worst?

I feel like those who like her, say that money means nothing and  then take that wealth for granted, were never poor and in abusive situations. Now that is true hell.

In any case, she is pushing fifty, she has to forgive her parents somehow, if she hopes to find peace and raise her daughter in a responsible and kind way.

I envy Lulu's family. She had loving parents. 

[bencr]

I don't think Ramona likes going to the Berkshires, as she made abundantly clear a few seasons back when she was invited to Heather's house. In Ramona's elitist world, only NYC and the Hamptons rate as visit-worthy, at least when it comes to local destinations. Ramona's horrible behavior at Dorinda's house, and her blatant disrespect of the property, may be her passive aggressive way of getting herself disinvited from future trips to the Berkshires.

Edited June 8, 2017 by bencr

[Lemons]

10 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

It's too bad that so much of Tinsley's storyline has been focused on her odd couple arrangement with Sonja. I think Carole could be a much better influence on Tinsley. I think Carole is correct that Tinsley is back to recreate her old life, not for a new start.

There are two types of people who would remember Tinsley: ladies on the UES who found her famewhoring distasteful and artsy hipsters who remember High Society and the Gawker coverage and might actually give her a chance. I think Carole recognizes that it's not going to be so easy for Tinsley to reclaim her old life. Tinsley wants her old apartment, to be invited to the same parties, and have the same guys interested in her. But Tinsley blew up her old life because she loved going out and having princes and billionaires flirt with her. Not going to happen. She cheated on Topper, started hanging out with thieves, racists, and Bristol Palin's baby daddy at porn awards, and got involved with the abusive scion of a sugar fortune who is talking shit about her on every continent. These people do not want Tinsley back. Charlotte York MacDougal it's time to leave those people behind.

Carole keeps trying to set Tinsley up with nice successful normal guys because she knows that is what Tinsley needs. It may not be what she wants, but it's what she needs. Tinsley's had her Princess Grace moment and she fucked it up. Now it's time for her to remember what she wanted to do before she thought she could be new C.Z. Guest or Babe Paley.

Seriously. Paris Hilton has 3 siblings. They grew up quite wealthy. However, their parents only nominally tried to raise them. It's the reason that all of the kids except for Nicky have had drug and law enforcement issues. Nicky is the only kid in that family who doesn't have a mugshot. Or from Ladies of London, the 10th Earl of Sandwich molested a number of boys including one of his sons. That house must have been a nightmare for this son despite their title and wealth.

Excellent post, you know your stuff!  Do you know where tinsley ended up?  I was surprised she was looking at rentals, I thought she was buying an apartment. 

If she really wanted a new start she would change her look. She is the youngest one on the show but she has the most dated look. 

[motorcitymom65]

1 hour ago, imjagain said:

That was brilliant, I love Lu's very dry, "invite her to lunch". Jill still can't quit Beth. 

I did like Jill saying, she had to admit she missed it, she missed the gossip. We know Jill,  we know. 

No,  it took her a year to apologize... 

She might have known she was wrong. She just  didn't see the need to apologize till cameras were running. 

I just don't understand why people keep saying this. Beth apologized not long after it happened. It is always so interesting the way a narrative gets going and just keeps at it even when there is video evidence of the opposite. At the time folks didn't like the apology, now it has changed to just not happening at all. 

[Ki-in]

Re Bethenny and Ramona's childhood trauma: Whether one is rich or poor as a child you are helpless and at the mercy of adults.  But once you are an adult get a grip and get therapy and don't take it out on others. I remember telling my kids that no matter what the reason, unacceptable behavior is unacceptable, act like a civilized person and not a barbarian.

I can't help but read all of the ladies' quotes like the guys from the Watch What Crappens podcast. Anyone else? I'm sorry okaaaay?

[sheetmoss]

13 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

It wasn't in the morning. She apologized not long after her big "whore" rant, after talking with Carole. She apologized to Lu in the kitchen and Lu accepted her apology. It gets forgotten because the argument had two parts. After the apology for the whore deal, they got into it again.  

One thing to remember, Beth  is  getting shit about waiting to apologize, but  Beth waiting to do it on camera helps Luann... and Beth  overall than a tweet, blurb, etc. ever would

Edited June 8, 2017 by sheetmoss

[ElDosEquis]

2 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Exaggerations and hyperboles are fine and make me laugh, but when people make the hyperbole about THEMSELVES and how THEIR lives/struggles are the 'worst ever' then I'm sorry but it DOESN'T make me laugh and it just makes everyone not take you seriously.  I know some people think their struggles are the worst ever and think they feel things so much deeper than others, but honestly, now that I'm an adult I realize I can't really be around people like that and I don't have to.

One of my friends has a sort of catchphrase that sticks with me.  "You don't know what someone else is going through in their life."  And it's just simply put, true....  I have a hard time standing anyone who makes it seem like their drama is so much worse than others'.  It's not even that I want to disagree, or argue, or compete, and I don't even have anything against Bethanny. I just can't be around it.

A co-worker and I were talking about some drama in our lives and she told me that when I was perplexed or couldn't figure out how to deal with a person that I should, "try to put yourself into their shoes..."

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I heard the funniest line on the tube this morning. Some political pundit was commenting on the story-of-the-day and he mentioned the shit that some of the participants were spewing. He said something to the effect that people 'didn't taste the words that came out of their mouths'.

I don't think that any of the haus ho's have an appetite for any sort of reasonable exchange?

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, AnnaL said:

The same moment that she screamed at Luann is the moment when Bethenny said that what she said was horrible and that if she were Luann she would never speak to her again. It didn't take a whole year for her to realize that. 

Bethenny never said "I am sorry for what I said you, that I attacked you" until this season. Acknowledging that she crossed a line is not apologizing.

[ElDosEquis]

21 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

I just realized that they said the artist Linda Mason was a make-up artist, right? I have one of her books from the 80's : Linda Mason's Sun Sign Makeovers. 

Her art did look like the kind of stuff you find in a hair salon?

The stock art you buy to put up in your business to set a 'mood'.

[Dutchgirl]

1 hour ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I agree with those who have said Dorinda is an amazing hostess. However that is sober Dorinda. I would love to have seen drunk Dorinda take on Sonja wearing her dead husband's gift to her. Though that would have caused drunk Dorinda even more pain, so maybe not. 

I was taken aback at how Dorinda looked in the pic with Jill in 2011, but then remembered that that is the year Richard died. So either she was taking care of a dying husband, or was a newly widowed woman. She may have had some work done since then, but she really looked grief stricken more than anything. 

Drunk Dorinda is my spirit animal ;)

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, imjagain said:

That was brilliant, I love Lu's very dry, "invite her to lunch". Jill still can't quit Beth. 

And Jill said she didn't want to have lunch with Beth, she just wanted to SEE her. I thought that was quite telling. 

 

29 minutes ago, shoegal said:

OK this part I don't understand.  I feel like this is pretty much the personification of the notion that money doesn't buy happiness.  Bethenny grew up in a dysfunctional, chaotic, violent household where she was told that she was unwanted (confirmed by step dad and multiplied by abandonment by her bio dad)...but they had money!  Therefore, Bethenny should be fine?  She should be "grateful"?  It's like when someone grows up in poverty but has a stable, loving, supportive family and becomes successful.  They key is the family, not the financials.  

This is why I was so bothered by Ramona saying that. She grew up with dysfunction in her house as well, abuse if I recall. Abuse can happen across all income levels. Why has she got it in her head that B had such an amazing upbringing just because of money?

[Ki-in]

Remind me to never play poker with Dorinda. The way she kept her cool and the grace under fire she endured between Sonja in her sentimental pj's and Ramona wrecking her room was truly amazing. It doesn't matter who pays for the repairs, the fact that the room needed any must have been heartbreaking. And someone wearing clothes without permission, especially ones that meant something is kind of a violation. 

Edited June 8, 2017 by Ki-in

[zoeysmom]

Bethenny didn't apologize to Luann in the Berkshires, she apologized for Luann causing her to look bad.  In her blogs she simply said Luann is resilient and a survivor.  It was Luann that apologized to Bethenny at Ramona's holiday party for the Skinnygirl comments.  Nor has Bethenny ever apologized for being a slut shamer.  She is just Bethenny and no one else's feelings matter unless one of her enemies make a crack at her friend of the moment and she can expand on the moment. 

It wasn't until near the end of the Reunion after she had had a couple of more name calling goes at Luann the almight Bethenny declared-"we need to stop doing this."  Bethenny literally turned her talk show into a bash Luann show for most of the episodes last year so any apology would be insincere. 

Bethenny hasn't stopped and her threats of never speaking to someone again are becoming pretty empty.  She has so far said she will not speak to Luann, Ramona and Sonja-she keeps talking not only to them but about them.

I thought Ramona acted like a total idiot.  I do believe Bethenny should have stated why Ramona has not been a good friend.  I detested the way Ramona used the sick friend card.  Ramona showed up because there were cameras at Bethenny's.  Bethenny was then able to use Ramona's "concern" as yet another battering ram on Luann.  I agreed with Luann's approach-"when are you going to the doctor?"  "Oh, tomorrow, good luck."  No one wanted to hear Bethenny's graphic description of her fibroids.  Dorinda and Carole were the ones nice enough to accompany Bethenny to the doctor and listen.  Ramona only cared about where she would be able to wear her new bathing suits.

[ElDosEquis]

I have 'been in' my girlfriend's/wifes clothes.

Their undies too?

 

13 minutes ago, Dutchgirl said:

Drunk Dorinda is my spirit animal ;)

LOL what kind of spirit?

Vodka?

Rum?

Bourbon?

[Baltimore Betty]

6 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

Remind me to never play poker with Dorinda. The way she kept her cool and the grace under fire she endured between Sonja in her sentimental pj's and Ramona wrecking her room was truly amazing. It doesn't matter who pays for the repairs, the fact that the room needed any must have been heartbreaking. And someone wearing clothes without permission, especially ones that meant something is kind of a violation. 

It's a good thing Dorinda has an in with an excellent dry cleaner! But seriously, if you have to unzip a garment bag then you probably should not help yourself to the garment. 

[phoenix780]

I think Ramona just became the person I want to watch most. All the layers of hurt and jealousy, combined with the delusional self-involvement...she's a comparatively complex character. I couldn't believe her reaction to Dorinda bringing up damage to the house. Last year she let her dog crap everywhere, and even if she figured production would pay it surprised me to see how dismissive she was when the she caused damage again. 

I think I'm generally more team Bethenny in their argument. But, I also believe that if you don't want shit to come up on TV don't go on TV. I guess they both kind of suck in this situation. 

I wish there was more of the art show. And production should keep rolling after Bethenny leaves. I feel cheated out of the drunk Sonja part. 

[QuinnM]

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It's a good thing Dorinda has an in with an excellent dry cleaner! But seriously, if you have to unzip a garment bag then you probably should not help yourself to the garment. 

I was wondering about the scene that had Dorinda going through her wardrobe racks and unzipping all the garment bags.  Do you think she was checking to see if something else was 'borrowed'?  I mean Ramona was in the house.

[StatisticalOutlier]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I usually strip the bed, gather whatever trash I create, tie up the trash bag and leave the room tidy (ask if the host wants me to put the linens/towels anywhere special).  I worked in motels when I was in jr high/high school and some habits never die.  I never leave a motel/hotel room without doing the same (and tossing in a tip).

I would never strip the bed in a hotel because it's creepy enough sleeping on those sheets--I don't want to know what's underneath them.

[shoegal]

1 hour ago, LIMOM said:

You know what?

yes her childhood was difficult but having money helped her tremendously.

Her parents could have been poor and abusive. THen what? She calls 911. The cops come  and she is sent to Foster home or worst?

I feel like those who like her, say that money means nothing and  then take that wealth for granted, were never poor and in abusive situations. Now that is true hell.

In any case, she is pushing fifty, she has to forgive her parents somehow, if she hopes to find peace and raise her daughter in a responsible and kind way.

I envy Lulu's family. She had loving parents. 

Bryn is being raised with money, so I guess she'll be fine?