S21.E06: Week 6: St. Thomas

[slowpoked]

1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:

As much as he tries to do the neutral thing that all leads have to do, these are the times where so many have observed that Nick is not the greatest actor. Seriously, that was a pissed off Nick by the end of that scene. Like I got uncomfortable (well more uncomfortable because I was uncomfortable just from Jasmine's loud drunk rambling) because I felt he was this close to telling her to not touch him. 

You know, the first time she said it, I think we could all tell, and Nick could tell, she was clearly joking. Well, judging with her conversation with the women earlier and her ITMs, it was a half-meant joke. But still, a joke. And Nick was ready to laugh it off. And it would have been fine if she left it at that. But she kept on repeating it, and the worst part was when she actually asked him (paraphrased, because I can't remember exactly) "Are you into this choking thing?! Because I could straddle you and choke you right now..." I think any guy in his right mind would have alarm bells ringing off at that moment. Jasmine was either drunk or dense that she couldn't read Nick's body language. Or both. 

[hnygrl]

The way I saw/interpreted the Jasmine thing? She was wound up tight as a spring.

She had been complaining for days that he's not paid attention to her but KEPT her. Why keep me? Then she gets yet another group date and now she's really frustrated, sad, and can see the writing on the wall. 

Oh - and she's been drinking. And at the cocktail party? No food, a crappy attitude, and MORE booze? She. Was. So drunk.

I know women who say "punch you in the throat" or "choke you till you get that peaceful look on your face" when they mean they're hella frustrated. As in "I'm so frustrated with you right now I could punch you in the throat." She was so used to saying that to her girlfriends/black friends that it didn't register that this wasn't something one says to a white guy you're trying to date. He took her literally and got that oh shit look on his face and she tried to play it off, but was too drunk to come up with the "just playing, just playing, I'm just so damn frustrated right now" explanation, and decided to be flirty instead.  Poor kid. Bet she hid behind several pillows when that one played back

And you KNOW they're gonna make her relive it in all it's glory during the women tell all.

[Canada]

I don't understand people like Jasmine.  If a guy is making it obvious that he's not into you, but it's the Bachelor so he can't send you home yet, just enjoy your time in the sun and have fun at someone else's expense!  Being a psycho bitch isn't going to make him suddenly fall in love with you.  Fool.

[ribboninthesky1]

6 minutes ago, hnygrl said:

She was so used to saying that to her girlfriends/black friends that it didn't register that this wasn't something one says to a white guy you're trying to date.

I'm not sure this was a race thing.  After all, Raven was pretty explicit in her description of confronting her ex.  Granted, that wasn't directed at Nick, but it's still violence, and he seemed to take it in stride because he likes Raven.  Nick was never interested in Jasmine, and probably not into physically aggressive women in general.  If things went down behind the scenes as rumored, I think he was just ready for her to get the hell on, which is reasonable.  But yeah, the WTA might be a tad uncomfortable for her. 

That said, Jasmine strikes me as the type that, the more she talks about her frustrations, the more frustrated she becomes. I'm more of a "vent to a trusted confidante and throw some expletives around, and I'm okay" person, but Jasmine is not.  Throw alcohol in the mix, and it's even worse. I was wondering if, at some point during the evening group date, any of the women tried to calm her and bring it down several notches.  Not that they were required to - more of a "calm her down so we can have some peace" sort of thing.  Jasmine was spiraling.  I also wonder about production shenanigans, since Nick seemingly picked her last to speak with, when he could have chosen to speak with her first and been done with it all.  

[slowpoked]

5 minutes ago, ribboninthesky1 said:

I also wonder about production shenanigans, since Nick seemingly picked her last to speak with, when he could have chosen to speak with her first and been done with it all.  

Oh, I'm sure there's a lot of that. They messed with her head pretty badly, coupled with strong alcohol encouragement. And they probably told Nick too to talk to her last, because eh, she's cool with it or something. I don't put anything past them after watching UnReal. 

[WhoAmIReally]

So overjoyed to see Jasmine sent packing!  I admit I've been hate-watching her since the beginning, when she had to tell us that she's used to men chasing her, blah blah blah.  I can't understand why.  She had nothing of interest to say, seemed like an instigator (the pushing of Corinne, the "jokingly" tormenting people with the 99% dark chocolate), and, as we saw at the the beach, had the worst body on the show.  I don't know whether I would call her gut "beer bloat" or "toddler tummy", but it was truly unfortunate.  I guess it must be off season for her dancing, because she was seriously out of shape.

And the self-aggrandizing speech to Nick!  Yeah, she's so used to being seen--how could he not see her every time she walked into the room?  Maybe because there are a lot of prettier, more interesting women to look at and talk to.  She was definitely serious about the sex-choking.  She really thought that would turn him on.  "I can get on top of you and straddle you and…you never got a chokey before? No girl's ever done that to you?"  What a sad spectacle!  Ha-ha!

Otherwise, Christina is adorable, Rachel is the total package, and Vanessa is crazy beautiful.  I am sadly still enjoying Corinne.  Still bothered by Raven's pug-face.

Edited February 9, 2017 by WhoAmIReally

[Stinamaia]

3 hours ago, Losemynumber said:

 

Who is Andy Murray? The only one I've heard of is a tennis player. 

That's the one!

[McManda]

18 hours ago, mack6986 said:

No, he's definitely buying his "summer clothes" from Chubbies, which is a trendy/popular swimwear brand for guys in their 20s and 30s.

Sure, but even the Chubbies website talks up their retro look. The description of the neon shorts "The Hotdogger" even says they're "a thigh hugging relic from the 80s".

 

[Zung Li]

 He only wears those shorts because they are sooo comfortable, y'all. They are not too short or tight AT ALL!

[Lemons]

12 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

This is what I thought, too! I liked the idea of her bathing suit but, like Danielle M's, it just didn't fit her well at all. The top was really cute though,

I liked Raven and Danielle's bathing suits too. Danielle's top didn't fit correctly, plus I don't think she put it on right. I have her body type and love that someone on the show didn't hide their super small chest or feel the need to get plastic inserted balls inserted.  

[LittleCabbage]

It's interesting to see that opinions are split on Nick. My personal take is that Nick is the kind of guy who would make a great buddy, which is part of the reason he came across as relatively likable on Bachelor in Paradise; we got to see him interacting with a lot of the women in the capacity of Supportive Friend. He's one of those smart guys (or close to smart, anyway) who becomes stupid whenever romance or sex comes into the equation. I have male friends like him IRL and it's kind of an exasperating thing to see from the sidelines. 

[violet and green]

23 hours ago, mack6986 said:

Also... I just read a post referring to him as a "seedy middle-aged bachelor" or some shit, and that's ridiculous.  He's 36, not 50, and he doesn't look or come across as seedy to me.  The women whom he's shown genuine interest in are age-appropriate for him.  At this point I feel like some people here are nitpicking him just to nitpick.  

Well, at this point I am really really really really over explaining what was to me a fairly throwaway line in a quick response to the episode.

But as we're nitpicking, Corinne is 23 or 24. So, I guess age-appropriate in that she's not 17.

Nick seems all right as a human being, and may well be the nicest guy on the planet, but he is on this (increasingly) seedy show, sticking his tongue down whoever's neck  - and this is not his first, his second, or his third Bachelor-franchise rodeo. So, yeah, seedy.

[Lemons]

13 minutes ago, LittleCabbage said:

It's interesting to see that opinions are split on Nick. My personal take is that Nick is the kind of guy who would make a great buddy, which is part of the reason he came across as relatively likable on Bachelor in Paradise; we got to see him interacting with a lot of the women in the capacity of Supportive Friend. He's one of those smart guys (or close to smart, anyway) who becomes stupid whenever romance or sex comes into the equation. I have male friends like him IRL and it's kind of an exasperating thing to see from the sidelines. 

I've never seen bachelor in paradise or the bachelorette, so this is my first and only impression of him. I just don't see him as someone that a whole of women would be fighting over. 

Where does he live now and does he have a job?  A lot of these guys seem to quit their jobs when they go on this show. 

[chocolatine]

27 minutes ago, Lemons said:

Where does he live now and does he have a job?  A lot of these guys seem to quit their jobs when they go on this show. 

When he first appeared on Andi's season 2.5 years ago he was a Salesforce salesman and lived in Chicago. I don't follow him on social media, but my understanding from reading the boards here is that he's since quit Salesforce, moved to LA, and taken acting lessons.

[JudyObscure]

13 hours ago, hnygrl said:

The way I saw/interpreted the Jasmine thing? She was wound up tight as a spring.

She had been complaining for days that he's not paid attention to her but KEPT her. Why keep me? Then she gets yet another group date and now she's really frustrated, sad, and can see the writing on the wall. 

What Jasmine, and all the other ones who complain about group dates, don't seem to understand is that group dates can be a great time to shine.  The coveted "time alone," with the bachelor is so often wasted with boring chatter like Danielle L's or worse complaining about the other girls.  Meanwhile filming those group dates can be long and boring and one lively, sunny girl, who can get everyone laughing and into the spirit of the thing, can stand out to the lead in a big way.  I remember Emily (one of the twins) just taking over a soccer game with her fearless play and enthusiasm.  In the beginning of Ben's season he was blinded to the other girls by Lauren, but at one point he mentioned how Jojo made all the group dates fun and she stated to break out of the herd because of that. 

Jasmine has more experience than most with doing group activities with other women,  If she had tried to make that volley game some slapstick fun, Nick would have appreciated her for it.  Instead she turned it  the whole day into a Jerry Springer show.

[Mabinogia]

He said multiple times how the group date was supposed to be just a bit of fun to kind of break up all the tension so, yeah, of course the women get more tense. lol You're advice JudyObscure is perfect. Make it fun. Goof off. His interactions with Alexis prove that he likes to be goofy. Through the ball to him, get him involved. Make yourself stand out as a fun, low drama kind of gal and he'll be putty in your hands. Pull him aside and cry and moan about how unfair it all is, and how you feel neglected and he's going to shut down and move on to someone who is less work. (unless you are the chosen one, but they can't all be that, and I'm sure the ones who aren't must have some clue by now).

[peachmangosteen]

10 hours ago, Lemons said:

I have [Danielle M's] body type and love that someone on the show didn't hide their super small chest ...

I am small chested as well so I did really like that Danielle M was fine wearing a top that didn't try to hide that fact, but that thing did nothing for her shape. It was so ill fitting. I actually love her style in general though. I loved her bell bottoms outfit at the haunted house that everyone hated.

I am still enjoying this season, but it feels telling that all my posts about this ep were about the women's bathing suits lol.

[ByTor]

9 hours ago, violet and green said:

But as we're nitpicking, Corinne is 23 or 24. So, I guess age-appropriate in that she's not 17.

My personal opinion is that a 12 year age difference isn't really that big a deal (although when I was 24 I never would have been interested in a 36 year old).  I think the issue is that Corinne is a very young 24

[ljenkins782]

18 hours ago, Canada said:

I don't understand people like Jasmine.  If a guy is making it obvious that he's not into you, but it's the Bachelor so he can't send you home yet, just enjoy your time in the sun and have fun at someone else's expense!  Being a psycho bitch isn't going to make him suddenly fall in love with you.  Fool.

Right? I guess the competitive spirit (plus, maybe the ego bruising affects things) takes over and winning seems important in the moment? Because honestly, being one of those faceless girls that keeps hanging in until close to the end means you get free trips but aren't going to suffer too much tv-related humiliation. Then again, you won't become an Instagram-shilling machine that way, so maybe that factors in too, who knows? 

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I don't follow him on social media, but my understanding from reading the boards here is that he's since quit Salesforce, moved to LA, and taken acting lessons

Oof. Unless those acting lessons also include classes in speech and diction, I don't see an acting career in his future. 

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My personal opinion is that a 12 year age difference isn't really that big a deal (although when I was 24 I never would have been interested in a 36 year old).  I think the issue is that Corinne is a very young 24

Right. Maturity of the people involved, plus the shrinking importance of age as the parties get older is always a factor in relationships with large age gaps (i.e., a 50-year-old dating a 35-year-old can be no big deal, but if that relationship had started 17 years earlier, that would have been a big red flag.) 

The reason Corinne and Nick feel so gross to me is the relative lack of power that she holds (same with all of the other girls, but she's handling it differently) and the fact that her method of "competing" is basically offering herself up on a silver platter. The fact that there doesn't appear to be any natural chemistry flowing between them (from either direction) makes it very awkward to watch, she's trying to win so she can beat the other girls and he's keeping her around for whatever reason, but nothing seems natural about their interactions. 

[kingshearte]

21 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

Yup, this exactly. No matter how "beloved" the lead was before becoming the Bachelor/Bachelorette, guaranteed by the end of the season, there are some who will sour on them. Some have certainly come out of it less disliked than others but no one comes out of it unscathed and let's face it, with how polarizing Nick was before even being chosen as a lead, it was a given that some would only hate him even more than they already did by the end. 

I don't think it's avoidable, really. I mean, it's the premise of the show, and of course we all know that, but at the end of the day, the Bachelor/ette is dating a bunch of people at once, playing the field, and leading people on. These are things (especially the last) that are kind of inherently unappealing, so when you watch someone do it for weeks, how can it help but start to taint your opinion of them a little, even if you try not to let it? And that's assuming a baseline of likable and no immediately obvious raging personality flaws, which certainly does not apply to all leads.

One on hand, I usually try to give leads as much benefit of the doubt as I can muster, as they try to navigate and make the best of a screwy situation, but on the other hand, they put themselves there, so...

[Mabinogia]

The reason Corinne and Nick feel so gross to me is that she either is or is choosing to act like an overgrown toddler. Even though she is the aggressive one here, which thank god, because if he was being sexually aggressive towards a girl who acts like she's 12 I'd be REALLY grossed out. She's basically like those porn stars who dress in pigtails and school girl uniforms to appeal to borderline pedophiles. Nick is going along with it which does disgust me on some level because he's encouraging this idea that men like oversexed women/children.

Taylor, who is actually a year younger than Corinne, I believe, didn't bother me with him, well, not for age reasons anyway, because she wasn't a big child. She was an annoying, pompous ass, but at least she acted like she graduated school and has wiped her own ass before.

I still like Nick, very much EXCEPT when he is with Corinne. That is the ONLY time I see the oversexed sleeze his haters see. With every other woman there I see a great guy who is maybe a little too sensitive to be on a show like this but who has a sense of humor and a decent head on his shoulders and is out for more than just a quick bang.

[Canada]

2 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

He said multiple times how the group date was supposed to be just a bit of fun to kind of break up all the tension so, yeah, of course the women get more tense. lol You're advice JudyObscure is perfect. Make it fun. Goof off. His interactions with Alexis prove that he likes to be goofy. Through the ball to him, get him involved. Make yourself stand out as a fun, low drama kind of gal and he'll be putty in your hands. Pull him aside and cry and moan about how unfair it all is, and how you feel neglected and he's going to shut down and move on to someone who is less work. (unless you are the chosen one, but they can't all be that, and I'm sure the ones who aren't must have some clue by now).

But he sent Alexis home.  Sadly, I think Nick is like the majority of guys in that he will choose the high-drama, too-much-work woman.  I don't know why they do it, because they inevitably then complain about all the drama.  You chose the drama, dude!  I am certain that Nick will end up with one of the women who was crying during the volleyball game.

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, Canada said:

But he sent Alexis home.  Sadly, I think Nick is like the majority of guys in that he will choose the high-drama, too-much-work woman.  I don't know why they do it, because they inevitably then complain about all the drama.  You chose the drama, dude!  I am certain that Nick will end up with one of the women who was crying during the volleyball game.

I think it's kind of harsh to describe the girls on the beach as drama. To me, drama stems from unreasonable behaviour or expectations. Corinne and Taylor...that was drama. Sure, it's all happening in the Bachelor bubble but that doesn't mean that feelings and emotions can be controlled and/or buried just because you knew the type of situation you were walking into. The women weren't acting like needy women who always need to be around their man and have him reassure them that he loves them and wants to be with them. They were women who were trying to balance the reality of the situation with the reality that they are growing feelings for someone and have no idea if those feelings are being reciprocated in any real way. For so many women to feel that, it's hard for me to believe on any level that this is a reflection of them being needy or dramatic. It really sounds to me like it's an issue with the Bachelor who is doing a poor job of really communicating with the women and offering meaningful gestures that indirectly uplift the women and encourage their relationship with him. Corinne is the only one who isn't really worried about her relationship with Nick and that's because she only values the physical intimacy with him. So long as Nick will say her name, give her a hug and kiss her, Corinne feels validated. The other women are trying to figure out their relationship based the quality of time that they're spending with Nick and what they're learning about each other that will be meaningful to a real relationship. Remove the Bachelor bubble for a second and apply it to real life - if a woman was investing in building a relationship with a man based on some qualities that they really liked about him, would it seem dramatic or unreasonable for them to be upset or emotional if you began feeling that he was becoming withdrawn and not really valuing your time and effort being put into building that relationship?  Jasmine is the exception to the beach girls because Jasmine had no real relationship with Nick because she spent very little time with him. Jasmine's tears was from a hurt ego that wasn't used to feeling rejected.

And you know why men often are drawn to 'drama'? It's because while they don't really want crazy, their ego cares more about feeling needed and feeling wanted. it's the same way that women are draw to the bad boys. They know they aren't good for them but their egos are drawn to the idea of being special enough to someone that they would change for them.

[yorklee2]

6 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Meanwhile filming those group dates can be long and boring and one lively, sunny girl, who can get everyone laughing and into the spirit of the thing, can stand out to the lead in a big way. 

Right. That was kind of my point when on the haunted house date I posted I thought it was a good opportunity for some good natured fun. Aside from any creditable supernatural activity, which let's face it if there was I highly doubt the show would be filming there, I would have just rolled with and made the best of it. I mean even the plantation's website doesn't advertise as a "haunted house". That was a fake situation made up by the show for drama. As on many of these group dates, if these women are even minimally aware of the show's stunts pre-show, they have to know there's gonna be a fair share of boring, useless, at times frustrating, drama inducing and nonsensical dates. So my advice to any woman determined to do this show would be to do your homework, psych yourself and make the best of it. Be glad to get out of that cooped up, claustrophobic atmosphere and make the most of your time. And as @Canada said if the leads not into you then enjoy your destinations and the new friendships you could make. Seems like history has proven that the ones who tend to stick to that mindset come out of it less scathed, have a easier time going back to their normal lives and are more liked by the viewers.

1 hour ago, Canada said:

But he sent Alexis home.  Sadly, I think Nick is like the majority of guys in that he will choose the high-drama, too-much-work woman.  I don't know why they do it, because they inevitably then complain about all the drama.  You chose the drama, dude!  I am certain that Nick will end up with one of the women who was crying during the volleyball game.

I know this unfortunately happens a lot. It's hard to understand at times but being on the other side and speaking from personal experience you can't force a romantic connection if it's not there. And most of the time it's best not to. Better to have a special friendship with mutual respect. Romance and friendship are not mutually exclusive either and I think that's what most strive for.

[amcfar]

On 2/8/2017 at 6:18 PM, Ohwell said:

And they're both approaching middle age!

Yes, so sad. It seems like only yesterday I was still in my youthful prime; but alas, I had to go and turn 35 several months ago. Now I just sit and watch the world pass me by because I'm far, far too old to enjoy things now, being middle-aged and all. 

Seriously though, I may joke about being "old" to my family but I know that 35 is still young! Sheesh! Take it from me, I spent years and years DREADING the big 3-0. And now? I think of 30 as being really young! Go figure! ?

Rewatched the episode and I still don't understand why a boring volleyball game was chosen. Vanessa's bathing suit reminds me of a spider!! (I'm probably the only one who thought that, haha) ?+ ? = ☹️

[Ohwell]

Yeah if 35 is middle aged, then at my age I've got one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel.

[violet and green]

Just can't let it drop!

[Ohwell]

Nope!

[Wings]

11 hours ago, Ohwell said:

Yeah if 35 is middle aged, then at my age I've got one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel.

I am old (70) so I don't give a shit.  No grave or banana peel for me, I am going to age out at some point but not anytime soon.  Jeans and motorcycle boots define my wardrobe.   Gone are the polyester, elastic waist pants of yesteryear.  Walmart doesn't even sell that trash and yet it remains the symbol of the "elderly."  Ha!  Fuck middle age, join me in the old lady category.  I have to run now, to meet a 38 year old for Tequilla shots and tacos. 

Well really, I am going to have a Scotch and watch Shark Tank tonight on the couch.  The afforementioned 38 year old is my son.   But you get my drift.  I really do live in jeans, t-shirts and moto boots though.  I did buy some things I saw Lily Tomlin wear in Grace and Frankie, a nod to my past.  Love the way she dresses.  :^)

Edited February 11, 2017 by wings707

[huahaha]

On 2/9/2017 at 4:48 PM, hnygrl said:

The way I saw/interpreted the Jasmine thing? She was wound up tight as a spring.

She had been complaining for days that he's not paid attention to her but KEPT her. Why keep me? Then she gets yet another group date and now she's really frustrated, sad, and can see the writing on the wall. 

It's a setup. Leah cracked last year on Ben's season in the same scenario: group date after group date. Then when finally expecting a one-on-one (or even a two-on-one), WHAM! It's... another group date!

I'm not surprised it worked on Jasmine, but it did seem a little mean. Nick wasn't into Jasmine any more than Ben was into Leah. The two-on-one would've been kinder, but that's reserved for villain-and-scold pairings.

[yorklee2]

1 hour ago, huahaha said:

It's a setup. Leah cracked last year on Ben's season in the same scenario: group date after group date. Then when finally expecting a one-on-one (or even a two-on-one), WHAM! It's... another group date!

I'm not surprised it worked on Jasmine, but it did seem a little mean. Nick wasn't into Jasmine any more than Ben was into Leah. The two-on-one would've been kinder, but that's reserved for villain-and-scold pairings.

I don't think the two on one would be kinder. Especially in that situation. Because anyone in that scenario would have to know that with no one on ones, no group date roses, no significant time together that the odds were heavily stacked against them. And then to be humiliated and left alone like that would be like adding insult to injury. I still think keeping your dignity and voluntarily leaving is the best and most painless way to go. And if you felt that you at least had to discuss your concerns with the lead than for god's sake don't self destruct like Jasmine.

[Meowwww]

10 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

The reason Corinne and Nick feel so gross to me is that she either is or is choosing to act like an overgrown toddler. Even though she is the aggressive one here, which thank god, because if he was being sexually aggressive towards a girl who acts like she's 12 I'd be REALLY grossed out. She's basically like those porn stars who dress in pigtails and school girl uniforms to appeal to borderline pedophiles. Nick is going along with it which does disgust me on some level because he's encouraging this idea that men like oversexed women/children.

 

I agree.  But it seems like women these days want to look and act like little cute kids and men love that.  Thank the internet porn industry for that. 

I work with the public.  So many single women have the "babydoll" thing going on.  I know one 34 year old woman in particular.  She acts like a kid and the men eat it up.  

[In2You]

Danielle L didnt name specific girls but did state a girl went behind her back to Nick to try and convince him her intentions weren't pure. 

[Lula58]

At 55.27 in this episode while Nick is walking toward beach there's a bench at ocean...dark haired girl with a man who quickly backs out of screen..she's semi reclined while he's leaning into her....interesting...edited so it looks as if he's walking away from Raven.. but she and Vanessa would be the only caucsian brunettes on this date..wondering..actually signed up for this site just to note as I was rewatching.

...

Looks like Vanessa and producer maybe but pretty cozy

[RedheadZombie]

On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 2:05 PM, hnygrl said:

2. Don't shoot me. I didn't buy all of Kristin's story. Too many gaps, too much left out. I'd love to hear the real, chronological story of how she ended up in an orphanage and her other siblings ended up with their dad. Gotta be the real story and not that thing she gave the cameras. Good story though.

I believe it, but her numbers don't add up.  The age she said she was when she went into the orphanage, the number of years she spent there, and then the age when she was adopted were wonky.  I think she basically misspoke.

[catrice2]

On 2/10/2017 at 11:25 AM, Mabinogia said:

The reason Corinne and Nick feel so gross to me is that she either is or is choosing to act like an overgrown toddler. Even though she is the aggressive one here, which thank god, because if he was being sexually aggressive towards a girl who acts like she's 12 I'd be REALLY grossed out. She's basically like those porn stars who dress in pigtails and school girl uniforms to appeal to borderline pedophiles. Nick is going along with it which does disgust me on some level because he's encouraging this idea that men like oversexed women/children.

Taylor, who is actually a year younger than Corinne, I believe, didn't bother me with him, well, not for age reasons anyway, because she wasn't a big child. She was an annoying, pompous ass, but at least she acted like she graduated school and has wiped her own ass before.

I still like Nick, very much EXCEPT when he is with Corinne. That is the ONLY time I see the oversexed sleeze his haters see. With every other woman there I see a great guy who is maybe a little too sensitive to be on a show like this but who has a sense of humor and a decent head on his shoulders and is out for more than just a quick bang.

I was in total agreement until the part about liking him outside of her.  I don't see a huge difference.  I also noted, that at least in the "edited" versions, he frequently will take a comment that a woman makes and somehow lead it back to him instead of exploring more of what she is talking about. 

It also annoys me to no end that the women were whining because they are so concerned that NICK may not find love!!  I mean, you barely know this person and you are crying because  he might not find a (as Raven says)  WHAAIIIIFE.    When she said wife in one clip I just thought to myself a season of her as Bachelorette is about the same as a season with Nick....having to turn on closed caption, rewind and basically read lips or listen to the response to figure out what they said in the first place.  

I think in general the two seasons I tried to watch I just did not find the leads my idea of "manly."  At least Nick  has a nice body.  Ben looked terrible with his shirt off.  Nick sounds like a woman when he speaks. The tone and pitch alone are irritating, but you throw in the lisp and mumbling and all together it is too much.  Ben was like a middle school boy when he spoke, with the "like" and other bad grammar. 

In other news, I am ashamed to admit I read the Daily Mail, which unfortunately likes to cover a lot of things. I have no reason to ,but I typically click on all the stories (well, except the Kardashian ones) but they had some guy named Robby that was on I guess Bachelor in Paradise or the Bachelorette?  They were saying he has signed a modeling contract.    I looked at the pictures and I thought this franchise is a gold mine. You can be mean, unattractive, crazy, etc. and STILL get something out of it!  No way is he a model, body wise, face wise, etc.....and then they said he was considered to be the Bachelor and I thought, yes it can get worse than Ben and Nick. 

I felt the same way when someone showed me pictures of Luke? and Chase....saying they were going to be the Bachelor.   Luke just looked boring and had an odd face and upper torso, and the other one....I can't even remember.    Is it supposed to be their jobs or personalities?  Am I just not remembering correctly, but when this show started didn't they try to make the leads people that had some celebrity or jobs like pilots, doctors, or something?   When did it change to software salesmen and wanna be actors, models and television personalities? 

[Ohwell]

3 hours ago, catrice2 said:

Am I just not remembering correctly, but when this show started didn't they try to make the leads people that had some celebrity or jobs like pilots, doctors, or something?   When did it change to software salesmen and wanna be actors, models and television personalities? 

Yeah, in the past, I remember the Bachelors as being more "catches," and one season I think there was a prince.

It just seems like in the past several years the men have been uninteresting.  The only one I found remotely interesting was Juan Pablo, and that was because he made it pretty clear from the get go that he wasn't there for the Right Reasons and just wanted to enjoy the women.  

[truthaboutluv]

I don't remember Alex Michel, the very first Bachelor being a celebrity or having a fancy job. Sure, they've had a few seemingly impressive people but I think those have been the minority rather than a common theme with the show.

[Ohwell]

In the past (I'm thinking before 2008 maybe?) some of them might not have had fancy jobs or been celebrities, but at least there was something about them that made them interesting--personality, looks, something.

[chocolatine]

I think the "desirable" occupation only mattered before they started picking leads strictly from the previous season's rejects. Brad Womack was the last Bachelor who wasn't a Bachelorette reject.

[catrice2]

15 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

I think the "desirable" occupation only mattered before they started picking leads strictly from the previous season's rejects. Brad Womack was the last Bachelor who wasn't a Bachelorette reject.

Yeah, actually my friend that watches this show said that it changed when the Bachelorette started and they got men from there , or at least that is what she remembers. 

[truthaboutluv]

41 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

In the past (I'm thinking before 2008 maybe?) some of them might not have had fancy jobs or been celebrities, but at least there was something about them that made them interesting--personality, looks, something.

Wasn't Bob Guiney like the fourth Bachelor and I feel like I can say with certainty that there was nothing special about Bob. 

[Wings]

1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:

Wasn't Bob Guiney like the fourth Bachelor and I feel like I can say with certainty that there was nothing special about Bob. 

Or Matt Grant, Lorenzo Borghese, Alex Michele nor Aaron Buerge.   

Edited February 13, 2017 by wings707

[Luvzmutt]

My daughter is in the same program at Johns Hopkins that Taylor was got her Masters in (she's in her 2nd semester). She just showed me this from her textbook.  We both got a good laugh from it.

[Mu Shu]

Week 6?? This show has started?   Well, nick looks ok in his swim pants.  

[Nowhere]

I had to re-watch every episode over the last couple of days with a friend so I really tried to pick up on the details of some things we've been talking about here. Two things I think are worth mentioning.

On second viewing, Corrine isn't as bad. During the parts that were obviously set up, most of the women didn't really hate on Corinne as a person. It seemed like they knew she was being told what to do. I looked for her in the background of scenes in the house and she's always talking to someone or taking part. At one point I think she was actually cooking with with other women. Weird for someone who doesn't know how to do anything because her nanny does it all. Basically, even if she's not a plant, she's definitely exaggerating her helplessness and the other women are in on the joke. And they seem to like her which is telling. On second viewing, looking at her from Nick's perspective and keeping in mind they he doesn't see the talking heads, she seems like a fun person and her conversations with Nick are not stupid or airheaded, unlike Taylor who was actually the ditzy one. After a group date, Nick asked Taylor what her favorite part was and her answer was, "kissing you." No dumb ass that's not what he was asking. So while I don't really like Corrine, I can see how she may be somebody Nick likes to hang with. Sort of like dolphin shark but with more sexual chemistry. 

I think Vanessa will win this which is unfortunate. I can't stand her. She is obnoxious but they are editing out a lot of her. But when re-watching, i could tell how hard she is trying for the good edit and she comes across as super fake. In every scene she is hanging on another woman. Hugging or cuddling, head on shoulder, sometimes literally hanging on them. I would push her away. It doesn't look like it's always welcomed. She just does it to show how wonderful she is and how much love she has even toward her competition. What a wonderful, loving human being. Not. It's all over the top fakeness. As if repeatedly saying D.Lo wasn't bad enough. I'm telling you she is annoying as hell. I would not hang out with her.

[dleighg]

4 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

In every scene she is hanging on another woman. Hugging or cuddling, head on shoulder, sometimes literally hanging on them.

I also noticed that when they were getting ready to get on the boat. Full disclosure I am not a "touchy" person, but I was really creeped out by it. It seemed inauthentic to me.

[Nowhere]

25 minutes ago, dleighg said:

I also noticed that when they were getting ready to get on the boat. Full disclosure I am not a "touchy" person, but I was really creeped out by it. It seemed inauthentic to me.

I have no problem when a friend of mine hugs me or puts an arm around me. I've rested my head on a friend's shoulder before so I'm not against it. However, in all my 40 years, I've never had a friend that is as clingy and touchy as Vanessa appears to be. Even long term friends who are like sisters don't act this way. Shit, even my own sister doesn't act that way and I'm certain she loves the hell out of me. Like I said, I'm not against showing love to your friends. Vanessa is way overboard though and she barely knows these women. I would question whether she is here for Nick or for meeting women. It would make me very uncomfortable for a woman I barely know to hang on me like she does. It's as if she has mommy issues because she really does act like my daughters did when they were little girls. Always hugging on mommy.

It must be an act. Has to be. Or else she has a mental problem, not that there's anything wrong with that. 

Edited February 13, 2017 by Nowhere

[kalibean]

19 hours ago, wings707 said:

Or Matt Grant, Lorenzo Borghese, Alex Michele nor Aaron Buerge.   

Lorenzo was the prince, right? That's kind of snazzy. Aaron just had his restaurant in Springfield, MO. I can't remember for the life of me about the others. 

[ByTor]

3 hours ago, Nowhere said:

It must be an act. Has to be. Or else she has a mental problem, not that there's anything wrong with that. 

Too bad Taylor's gone, she could have helped!