S21.E06: Week 6: St. Thomas

[RHJunkie]

I haven't seen the episode yet but I have read the recap and have a good gist of what social media comments have been like from what I see so far.

1. Nick's behaviour seems pretty polarizing. Some people think that he just doesn't seem that invested. And then there's someone like me who sees someone who is trying be respectful but is only confusing himself because for once, he has options to choose from rather than having just one person to focus on...and this goes to my second point -

2. We don't see the same type of fire and approach that Nick had with Andi and Kaitlyn - but I would largely wager that Nick being the one that was competing against others for their attention played a big part in his approach and interactions with them. I think it's easier to feel a connection with someone when you focus all on them and get some reciprocity as well. When you have so many options, you're more likely to allow connections to be made naturally. Nick was probably more invested in finding out all of the things that he could love about Andi and Kaitlyn. Now Nick has to find that out with 25+ women and he needs to selfishly think more about both sides of the coin rather than just focusing on the 'good'. He'll have to prioritize relationships and I think Nick's boring appeal on the show thus far has a lot to do with Nick being very cautious with these women. That means that with still so many women left, those who have the most genuine connections with him are still going to feel frustrated and question if they're feelings are real because Nick is doing a very poor job of really giving the women reassurance (be it one-on-one or in a group setting).

3. I question how much of real context is being left on the editing room floor because I can't understand why sending home Danielle L. would stir those type of insecurities in Nick. My perception was that they had no chemistry. Their conversations was relatively surface level which is understandable because Danielle's choice of vocabulary was pretty grating on my ears and I'm not sure the girl met a boob bearing outfit that she didn't love. The whole thing to me comes across as a woman that Nick found very physically attractive to and it seems like he's questioning whether this can even work because he had zero connection with her...but this all seems like he's crying over the fact that he couldn't make it work with the super hot girl.

4. Ironically, there are only two real strong connections I see (Vanessa and Rachel) and they're the two women who seem most willing to walk if Nick doesn't get it together. I wonder if this has to do with Nick feeling more sure about the two of them that he's put them on the back burner while he tries to figure out what he feels about the other women - but that's a recipe for disaster and he's already seeing it blow up in his face with Rachel and Vanessa. What did strike me from the few moments that I did see of the episode - is there are some women that aren't just looking for alone time to be in his presence and remind him that they exist, they want opportunities for them to get to know each other more. That tells me that there are women there who haven't forgotten that the process is also about them knowing that Nick can be the guy that they're looking for, rather than focusing all of their attention on being the woman that Nick is looking for.

[hnygrl]

My thoughts on this episode:

1. Nick, 36 almost 37 year old man (aka PUSHING FORTY) is quickly discovering that a bevy of 23,24 year old nubile nymphs are boring as shit. He's just now discovering how LITTLE a nearly-40 year old has in common with a 23 year old.

2. Don't shoot me. I didn't buy all of Kristin's story. Too many gaps, too much left out. I'd love to hear the real, chronological story of how she ended up in an orphanage and her other siblings ended up with their dad. Gotta be the real story and not that thing she gave the cameras. Good story though.

3. RE: the girls falling apart at the V-ball game: These girls, one a professional dancer, are all 23 and 24 years old (with a couple of nearly 30 and 31 year olds thrown in) and used to being chased and chased HARD. They're all of them used to being the hottest girl in the room. They're not used to having to do the chasing (HAVE THEY EVEN EVER SEEN THIS SHOW???? Doubtful)

4. Nick just stood there. Watching them. Perform like what? Dogs? Porn stars? What? That had to be effing humiliating. He's just standing there. Watching. NOT PLAYING or anything. "Okay monkeys, DANCE FOR ME!" Yeah, they got sick of it.

5. I had heard somewhere on some gossip site pre-season that this season they had a hard time keeping the women, that they all wanted to leave. Seeing it now.

6. Are ANY of these girls into Nick? ANY of them?
7. That was some weak tea, Nick...wondering into the harem, not sitting down and hanging out and letting their very presence make you feel better but announcing to all and sundry, including the one you're PROPOSING TO later in the season, that this shit ain't workin' and none of them are doing it for you. Weak. Tea. They're kids. Of course they all cried.

8. Aaaandd I'm seeing why he kept Corrine. Not MERELY a producer plant, but "Adventurous and RAW?" REALLY NICK? I think he described Corrine. I think he thought that's the way the season was gonna go. Put me in a room full of twenty-something cuties and I'll have one knocking on my door every night to give it up, just to get that rose. WHERE DO I SIGN???" 

9. You mean...you mean....they're...REAL PEOPLE? NOT just sex toys? NOT just there for my pleasure and entertainment? Well Hell. Y'all (production) pick one, I don't care...

He's both the best and worst Bachelor we've ever had...his face though...you can tell everything he's thinking...and he still doesn't touch the women he's not into. Huh. Watch with the sound off. You'll really see it then.

I didn't hate it....

Edited February 7, 2017 by hnygrl

[TheFinalRose]

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The reason the girls were pissed is because the winning team (Raven, Rachel and Corinne) was supposed to get more quality time with Nick, but then Vanessa started crying because the attention wasn't on her, so he let them all have more time. It doesn't show any of that, so their reactions don't make sense as to why some of them are pissed."

And the reason they cannot show us this is ....?????  Oh please, Chris Harrison and your bevy of editors. You thought giving us a chopped up episode that made no sense, when what really went down is readily available on the internet, was the best option? Since when do they shy away from showing us any of these girls having a hissy fit? Was Vanessa that unlikeable that she has to have her image preserved? Hmmmm......   They couldn't even give us 90 seconds of Raven and Nick and show him giving her the group rose date?

It's obvious Fleiss etc. are nervous about what they got this season, hence the controlling of the narrative that is leaving the viewer scratching their head as to why everyone on the beach is pissed and rewinding the show to see what they missed? So what if Vanessa cries and Nick gives in? They can patch it up with a voiceover of Nick saying, "I am such a softie when anyone cries." 

[alannaofdoom]

5 hours ago, dleighg said:

Taylor looked pretty fresh after walking all the way back from the swamp to interrupt Nick and Corrine's dinner.

She had the Power of Voodoo! (Who do?) 

[booboopbedoo]

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Jasmine obviously has some issues. She pushed Corinne down really hard for no apparent reason. 

I would have pushed her too and maybe kicked her as well.

Did she have skid marks on her bikini bottom?

[gator12]

38 minutes ago, hnygrl said:

3. RE: the girls falling apart at the V-ball game: These girls, one a professional dancer, are all 23 and 24 years old (with a couple of nearly 30 and 31 year olds thrown in) and used to being chased and chased HARD. They're all of them used to being the hottest girl in the room. They're not used to having to do the chasing (HAVE THEY EVEN EVER SEEN THIS SHOW???? Doubtful)

Corrine is 24

Raven 25

Jasmine 29

Vanessa 29

Rachel 31

Danielle M is 31 too I believe. 

[Lemons]

35 minutes ago, hnygrl said:

 

2. Don't shoot me. I didn't buy all of Kristin's story. Too many gaps, too much left out. I'd love to hear the real, chronological story of how she ended up in an orphanage and her other siblings ended up with their dad. Gotta be the real story and not that thing she gave the cameras. Good story though.

 

I would assume her siblings had different fathers, same mother.  Kristin probably didn't have a father to go to so she's the one who ended up in an orphanage.   Considering all of the stories you read about of children growing up in Russian and Eastern European orphanages, her story is pretty mild.  She didn't talk about any abuse or neglect in the orphanage. 

There are also plenty of American kids who end up abandoned by their parents too, although we typically have foster homes or "group" homes for them.  Americans don't use the word "orphanage" anymore, so it doesn't sound as sad. 

[DEL901]

52 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

I was looking forward to this episode because me and the hubby are going to St. Thomas in June, and I want to see in advance what we are in store for and possible places we might go.

This episode was edited clunkily, especially during the volleyball part. There's just no way that the ladies are enjoying playing volleyball, laughing with each other and all of a sudden they retreated to their own private corners crying without any specific, valid reason. I was expecting that maybe Corinne dropped her top again but it seems like it wasn't the case. Just a badly edited episode all around. And whatever happened to the group date rose?! Are we not to see those anymore? It's the second time this season they didn't show who got the rose. 

St. Thomas is beautiful. Too bad the women couldn't enjoy it too much.

Do the SeaTrek (under water walk).  It's awesome.

 

Love how they all love a place so much when they haven't seen any of it.  Or the show has gone off season.  So many times they'll be in a beautiful sun destination and it will be dark and cloudy with rough seas.

[Nowhere]

35 minutes ago, alannaofdoom said:

She had the Power of Voodoo! (Who do?) 

You do. 

Do what?

Remind me of the babe. 

[Kbilly]

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My unpopular opinion is I really wish Kristina either wasn't cast or didn't tell her story.  I can take dead husband stories and " a tree fell on my friend," stories, but her story just  ripped my heart out, so that I just wanted to go cry somewhere.

Oh I know. I don't want to see this girl go through any more pain. Eating lipstick because you're so starving? Brutal. 

I was completely ignoring Taylor-Corrine Part Deux when "Cats have nine lives, bitches have two" snapped me to attention. What??

Jasmine came completely unhinged. She was so manic, she had to have been drunk. Why oh why did she keep going for his neck? I could barely watch.

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When Nick came in crying, I think he was expecting all the women to gather around, tell him how wonderful he was

I honestly was shocked at the cold reception. No one came over to his side, no one followed. It was really weird how he busted through that door though.

The girls being pissy about volleyball reminded me of when Nick got really bitchy about that mime date on Andi's season.

There's a Whitney? only showed her real personality when dumped.

Edited February 7, 2017 by Kbilly

[Nowhere]

2 minutes ago, Kbilly said:

 

I was completely ignoring Taylor-Corrine Part Deux when "Cats have nine lives, bitches have two" snapped me to attention. What??

 

If someone can explain what the hell that meant I'd appreciate it.

[Lemons]

6 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

If someone can explain what the hell that meant I'd appreciate it.

I think it was something about how Taylor tried again, a second time, before she was "dead" ?    And she, Corrine, keeps getting more and more chances?   I don't know, nobody will ever accuse Corrine of having a way with words. 

[Zung Li]

1 hour ago, hnygrl said:

Don't shoot me. I didn't buy all of Kristin's story. Too many gaps, too much left out. I'd love to hear the real, chronological story of how she ended up in an orphanage and her other siblings ended up with their dad. Gotta be the real story and not that thing she gave the cameras. Good story though

The siblings she was talking about were her adopted family siblings- she said her adoptive parents had 4 kids of their own and 4 adopted (including Kristina). There was only one Russian sibling- an older sister who lived with her father (meaning the sister's father- not Kristina's)

[dleighg]

1 hour ago, RHJunkie said:

but this all seems like he's crying over the fact that he couldn't make it work with the super hot girl.

That's all the sense I could make of it too.

[StatisticalOutlier]

17 hours ago, scenicbyway said:

Do they give the contestants scripts to read?  I swear they all say, "I think I'm falling in love with you/being open and honest....blah blah blah.

And does the script spell it "vunnerable"?

[In2You]

1 hour ago, TheFinalRose said:

And the reason they cannot show us this is ....?????  Oh please, Chris Harrison and your bevy of editors. You thought giving us a chopped up episode that made no sense, when what really went down is readily available on the internet, was the best option? Since when do they shy away from showing us any of these girls having a hissy fit? Was Vanessa that unlikeable that she has to have her image preserved? Hmmmm......   They couldn't even give us 90 seconds of Raven and Nick and show him giving her the group rose date?

It's obvious Fleiss etc. are nervous about what they got this season, hence the controlling of the narrative that is leaving the viewer scratching their head as to why everyone on the beach is pissed and rewinding the show to see what they missed? So what if Vanessa cries and Nick gives in? They can patch it up with a voiceover of Nick saying, "I am such a softie when anyone cries." 

From what I read there was a lot of unlike able Vanessa stuff edited out this episode

[zoltana]

I found it really telling when Vanessa was sitting on the beach and said, 'the fact that I have to go through these next few weeks having to deal with all the competition, and all the gossip and all the talk and the other one on ones, it's so f*#ing annoying', and I've been so patient...'.   At this point it's interesting to hear her talking with fairly evident certainty that she'll be there through the next few weeks.  Did the editors slip up?

[truthaboutluv]

5 minutes ago, dleighg said:

but this all seems like he's crying over the fact that he couldn't make it work with the super hot girl.

I think he was just tired in general because the whole week was kind of a mess, well except his date with Kristina but even that was pretty heavy with her backstory and it was clear that as much as he liked and admired her and empathized with her, there wasn't a genuine romantic connection. Then there was the group date disaster where we ended with one drunk (well she's always drunk so that's neither here nor there), two crying, one losing her damn mind and threatening him with bodily harm and another basically feeling like she was over it. Only Raven seemed sane but then she had on that hideous bathing suit which was depressing in itself. 

And then he goes on a 2 on 1, likely knowing he'll send Whitney home since it's clear nothing ever happened there but still hoping that he'll see something in Danielle to keep her around and instead it's all flat. I think Danielle stood out to Nick early, yes likely for shallow reasons, such as the fact that she can't seem to ever hide her store bought boobs. So he was physically attracted to her. But as much as some would like to insist Nick is the biggest manwhore that ever appeared on this show, he's always said that there has to be more than just the physical because what's the point. And with Danielle there wasn't. So I think he was just feeling a little exhausted by everything.

Plus if you believe the gossip about what wasn't shown, you had Vanessa who he is really into very frustrated and Rachel who he also likes we saw her basically about to throw her hands up. I can believe it all becoming exhausting and stressful. As for all the rumors of Vanessa being so awful or dramatic and that being hidden. I don't think that's what is happening. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she may not have thrown a trantrum.

I'm saying I think the editing has been piss poor this season less to hide anything about Vanessa and more because the producers don't seem to give a shit about anything but Corinne and her antics that they seem to think is so adorable. So everything else is getting thrown aside in favor of that. For crying out loud the people took time from Nick and Kristina's 1 on 1 to play up this nanny nonsense, in a rather offensive way by the way. It's not just Vanessa we didn't really see - they didn't even bother showing up when and how Raven got the group date rose. We just got narration from Rachel the next day that Raven got the rose. The episodes are just being edited weirdly.

We had Whitney commenting on Danielle not being ready for a relationship and right for Nick and it's like, "where did that come from?" But we're not seeing any of that. For two weeks we've seen almost no interaction between Nick and Vanessa. Last week she was on a group date and you didn't see them talk once. Kristina's 1 on 1 was one of the briefest 1 on 1's I've ever seen, Rachel got the FIR and was virtually invisible until her 1 on 1 where turns out she and Nick actually had really good chemistry. And then Nick is accused of being a boring lead, not talking to the women and I don't think that's true. It just really feels like the season has been edited very, very poorly. But I'm sure Fleiss and company are thrilled because the media and social media sure seems to be eating the Corinne Show they're putting out. 

[ribboninthesky1]

33 minutes ago, hnygrl said:

2. Don't shoot me. I didn't buy all of Kristin's story. Too many gaps, too much left out. I'd love to hear the real, chronological story of how she ended up in an orphanage and her other siblings ended up with their dad. Gotta be the real story and not that thing she gave the cameras. Good story though.

5. I had heard somewhere on some gossip site pre-season that this season they had a hard time keeping the women, that they all wanted to leave. Seeing it now.

I won't shoot you.  With Kristina, I was suspicious that she went there on national TV.  It's nothing to be ashamed of, it just didn't feel right to me.  Plus, someone else mentioned the almost glee she had on her face when Whitney and brunette Danielle were sent home, and...yeah.  I saw it as well. 

And no, I'm not sure any of the remaining women are that into Nick. The competition, maybe, but him? Not really seeing it. 

43 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

When Nick came in crying, I think he was expecting all the women to gather around, tell him how wonderful he was, how kind and sensitive, hug him blow his nose,  and stroke his thigh.  When he waited a few beats before slumping off, I almost felt sorry for him.  It does look like Corinne of the said low emotional intelligence may be the only one with a nurturing instinct, even if it's a little bit warped.

Yes, it was quite telling that no one did that. But I think Rachel looked most sympathetic towards him. 

54 minutes ago, TiaLou said:

It was noticeable that no one seemed anti-Corinne in this episode. Maybe with Taylor gone, the anti-Corinne feeling has lessened a bit?

I don't think Raven is a fan, but she's not confronting Corinne about it.  

I just realized Jasmine's age - 29.  I just assumed she was early 20s like several of the other women originally cast, because she acts like it.  Not sure if she was drunk or just went off the deep end, but girl...it's never that serious.  I wish I could have seen the alleged "Dude, I slept with one of your friends!" showdown. I remember Nick being very uncomfortable with Jasmine's physical aggression on the bouncy castle episode.      

[Nowhere]

9 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

And does the script spell it "vunnerable"?

And why do all the women say it's hard for them to be vulnerable and they never cry, and they've never opened up to anyone? Well, honey, that's probably why you're still single. You can't expect a long lasting relationship if you act like you have no feelings or personality. I thought it was funny when one of the women used the line, "it's hard for me to be vunnerable" and he told her she was currently being vulnerable by saying it's hard for her to be vulnerable plus whatever other lines she fed him. Do any of these women know what anything means? Or do they just say the same things everybody else has said? They're all the same.

[violet and green]

I don't madly dislike Nick and at least he can talk about more than 'connections', but this is woeful to watch. For me, it is only saved by Corinne!

Good to read the beach date off-edit explanation. I sort of tuned out and did chores during that date and came back to see Jasmine choking him 'seductively'. They've got to stop feeding them all so much liquor.

I thought he looked doomed from the start of the private date with Danielle L -- as if he had promised the producers a double boot and was just dreading doing it, more than he made up his mind during the borefest she had to go.

This is so dull, watching a depressed, bearded, mumbling, middle-aged playboy pretending to 'find his one'. I think  he'll end up choosing Vanessa (yik), because he clearly has Mommy issues. It's all so unromantic and deeply unfun.

[slowpoked]

1 hour ago, DEL901 said:

Do the SeaTrek (under water walk).  It's awesome.

 

Thanks DEL901! I'll look that up for sure. Coincidentally, we're also staying at the same hotel Nick and the women stayed at, although of course we're not getting the big ass room that they have. 

EDIT: Saw the video on their website. Man, that would have been a fun group date for them to have. Then maybe we wouldn't have all of the tears last night. But yeah, there would be no drama.

Edited February 7, 2017 by slowpoked

[Nowhere]

3 minutes ago, violet and green said:

I don't madly dislike Nick and at least he can talk about more than 'connections', but this is woeful to watch. For me, it is only saved by Corinne!

Good to read the beach date off-edit explanation. I sort of tuned out and did chores during that date and came back to see Jasmine choking him 'seductively'. They've got to stop feeding them all so much liquor.

I thought he looked doomed from the start of the private date with Danielle L -- as if he had promised the producers a double boot and was just dreading doing it, more than he made up his mind during the borefest she had to go.

This is so dull, watching a depressed, bearded, mumbling, middle-aged playboy pretending to 'find his one'. I think  he'll end up choosing Vanessa (yik), because he clearly has Mommy issues. It's all so unromantic and deeply unfun.

Why do you think he has mommy issues? I don't know much about his background except he is one of the oldest of about a trillion siblings.

[truthaboutluv]

I guess just because he's admitted he likes strong women with dominant personalities, that's interpreted as mommy issues and his looking for a woman to tell him what to do. YMMV I personally think that's one of the more attractive qualities about Nick because I'll take that over a Josh Murray who is controlling and hates any woman who has a mind of her own. But that's just me. 

[violet and green]

9 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

Why do you think he has mommy issues? I don't know much about his background except he is one of the oldest of about a trillion siblings.

Gleaned mostly c/- my own long history of dating some very interesting men with serious mommy issues. The Peter Pan presentation. Going in to the women with tears dribbling down his cheeks, expecting them to comfort him when he tells them he doesn't think he's gunna find his one. The ickle boy presentation. I could go on.

[PhysNerd]

12 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

I guess just because he's admitted he likes strong women with dominant personalities, that's interpreted as mommy issues and his looking for a woman to tell him what to do. YMMV I personally think that's one of the more attractive qualities about Nick because I'll take that over a Josh Murray who is controlling and hates any woman who has a mind of her own. But that's just me. 

Agreed, though there are issues with marrying a man who wants to be told what to do.  In more extreme cases (don't know if Nick falls into this category), these types of men act more like kids and expect the woman to handle everything.  They would rather play video games or hang out with their friends all of the time rather than handle adult responsibilities.  Hopefully Nick doesn't fall into this more extreme case.  

[bethster2000]

2 hours ago, hnygrl said:

1. Nick, 36 almost 37 year old man (aka PUSHING FORTY) is quickly discovering that a bevy of 23,24 year old nubile nymphs are boring as shit. He's just now discovering how LITTLE a nearly-40 year old has in common with a 23 year old.

 

Seriously.  This show should be required viewing for any Midlife Crisis Case man who is thinking about dumping the wife and kids for some twit.  Maybe the looks are thrilling for a bit, but there is always the time when MCC man wishes he still had his boring old wife and children.

[Rear Window]

6 hours ago, dleighg said:

I watch it online (really, listen to it as I read this thread). Much better to know which parts I need to *see*, like the choking thing and Raven's bad bathing suit.

His eyes were literally glazing over. It was hilarious.

Am I the only one that saw the sweat all over his face? It looked like he just walked out of a sauna. I'm sure he smelled delightful!

[xtwheeler]

I think Nick likes women he can aspire to being with -- Andi was not only a woman with a powerful career, she was the star of the show, a big personality, and he liked competing for her attention. He liked proving himself good enough to win her, in particular because he was impressed with her as the star, as a strong personality, as a well-educated woman in a demanding career, etc.  I think he liked competing for Kaitlyn because while she didn't have much in the way of personal professional accomplishments, she was still the star of the show, and he was still the underdog showing up late trying to earn his place in her world.  I think he liked feeling special enough for the star of the show to change all the rules of the show to be with him (including being intimate with him right off the bat).  Being "chosen" like that by someone who you respect as a person or whose position you respect and admire can be a heady experience. 

I think he didn't take into account, perhaps, that when he held the sole discretion about choosing who he wanted, it wouldn't feel as thrilling.  Choosing from 30 sycophants (with some exceptions, of course) who are bending over backwards to impress you does not give you the same kind of ego-boost that feeling like you really earned being the "choice" of someone (an impressive someone, someone in power) who had a range of other options, and chose YOU.  I think while there are PLENTY of men we've seen on this franchise who totally get off on being the object of desire of 30 mostly vapid famewhores who they really don't have to work hard to impress or "earn," Nick isn't one of them.  I don't think he is as interested in women who throw themselves at him as some other bachelors have been.  Sure, he is happy to kiss (and stroke their legs LOL), but I don't think he feels there's anything special about shooting any of these particular fish in a barrel.  Not everyone is satisfied with just culling all the low-hanging fruit. 

This is why I think Nick is struggling.  I think his relationships with Andi and Kaitlyn challenged him and inspired him, and he liked competing to win women he found impressive and powerful. Their relationships were intense and dynamic, and he really had to be his best self to "earn" them.  Here, he could do little more than burp and fart his way through dates and at least half of the women would still fall at his feet.  Or choke him.  

[Wings]

I like Nick.   One thing I see is his inability to stand up for himself with production.   He is a push over, thus his desire for a strong woman.  I get that, he knows himself and that is good.  Production pushed the Corinne connection and he obeyed.  He never questioned or thought about the collateral damage it might cause.  He could have refused to take it as far as the bounce house (for example) but it didn't even occur to him.  He is following the rules.  Other leads have refused to do some things production asked.  

It is no wonder why several women have wanted to quit.  Production has Nick twisting in the wind.  He is waiting for his next assignment, so to speak.  The women are picking up on this.  Nick is not projecting confidence or ability to take charge in anyway.  

The speech he made to the women was taken the wrong way.  They thought he didn't see a potential wife in those left.  What he meant is that he feared he was the one who was going to be dumped!  His inability to articulate that illustrated his lack of confidence. Maybe Jasmine had the right idea, he may need to be choked!  LOL.  

[truthaboutluv]

2 hours ago, PhysNerd said:

Agreed, though there are issues with marrying a man who wants to be told what to do.  In more extreme cases (don't know if Nick falls into this category), these types of men act more like kids and expect the woman to handle everything.  They would rather play video games or hang out with their friends all of the time rather than handle adult responsibilities.  Hopefully Nick doesn't fall into this more extreme case.

I have watched Nick since Andi's season and I have never gotten the impression he wants and needs any woman to tell him what to do. Liking a strong woman who knows her self-worth and not afraid to call him on his crap is not synonymous with wanting somebody to tell him what to do. In my opinion the former speaks more to wanting to be with someone who is not just going to agree with him all the time and be unafraid to speak her mind even when it's to disagree with him. Again, to each his own, but I think that's actually a great quality for a man to have. I have never ever thought that Nick had a mommy complex and I didn't see his tears in the hotel room as looking for the women to baby and mommy him. Of course I also don't think he's a manslut and apparently that seems to be a prevailing sentiment as well. So go figure. 

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I think Nick likes women he can aspire to being with -- Andi was not only a woman with a powerful career, she was the star of the show, a big personality, and he liked competing for her attention. He liked proving himself good enough to win her, in particular because he was impressed with her as the star, as a strong personality, as a well-educated woman in a demanding career, etc.  I think he liked competing for Kaitlyn because while she didn't have much in the way of personal professional accomplishments, she was still the star of the show, and he was still the underdog showing up late trying to earn his place in her world. 

I don't think it had anything to do with their being the star and wanting to prove he was good enough or the underdog and more to do with the latter part of your comment - that is, Nick likes a challenge and a chase. And he's actually been very honest and upfront about that fact. Apparently Danielle M. (neo-natal nurse) is friends with Wells and she spoke to him before she went on the season and Wells' advice to her regarding Nick was, "don't make it too easy because he likes a challenge." Ben H. was on a podcast a week ago or so and said the same thing. I think Jared did as well in an interview. 

The fact is Nick has said it and others who have known him have said it - he likes strong, dominant women who present a challenge. Which is why I know he's not truly into Corinne other than if he was interested in a hookup with her because her being blonde aside, she's made it way too easy for him. And the two women he's shown the most interest and attraction to - Vanessa and Rachel are the two who have challenged him and don't seem to make it too easy for him. Now I know some might see that as his being more interested in the chase rather than the relationship and who knows, maybe that is why he's still single. But I definitely think that's been one of the challenges of him being the lead. Someone like Danielle L. was just there to smile and nod at him and tell him she's so in love with him despite their barely having any significant conversations. Of course he was bored by her. 

Edited February 7, 2017 by truthaboutluv

[Juneaucat]

There were 7(!!!) sent home this week. That has to be a record for this late in the competition. I didn't think the producers would allow that because it affects how many weeks they show it. Anyone if it's typical to only be left with 6 at this point?

[dleighg]

Really? Oh I guess three at the early rose (shark girl, Josephine, and I don't remember) then Whitney, choking girl, Danielle, and someone else?) I guess I *really* don't pay atttention.

[truthaboutluv]

12 minutes ago, Juneaucat said:

There were 7(!!!) sent home this week. That has to be a record for this late in the competition. I didn't think the producers would allow that because it affects how many weeks they show it. Anyone if it's typical to only be left with 6 at this point?

It's typical. What makes this seem odd is because of all the to be continued nonsense that's throwing viewers off. It seems like Nick got rid of 6 women at one time but the truth is he got rid of Alexis, Josephine and Jasmine in what should have been the ending to last week's episode. So if they were showing a rose ceremony every episode as they used to, the only people who would have gone home this episode is Whitney, Danielle L. and Jasmine. 

[JenE4]

2 hours ago, ribboninthesky1 said:

I just realized Jasmine's age - 29.  I just assumed she was early 20s like several of the other women originally cast, because she acts like it.  Not sure if she was drunk or just went off the deep end, but girl...it's never that serious.  I wish I could have seen the alleged "Dude, I slept with one of your friends!" showdown. I remember Nick being very uncomfortable with Jasmine's physical aggression on the bouncy castle episode.      

Whoever saw the social media evidence of Jasmine having slept with Nick's friend, please provide all the known details! She supposedly slept with the friend BEFORE the show and only told Nick when she was being dumped? Or after she got home she managed to get an, ahem, chokehold on a friend of Nick's? I can't imagine if they had that juicy tidbit on film they WOULDN'T be Wrong Reasoning the hell out of her!

[Ms Blue Jay]

3 hours ago, In2You said:

From what I read there was a lot of unlike able Vanessa stuff edited out this episode

I. Want. More. TEA!

[Nedsdag]

So Monday was the Monday Night Massacre? Six women went home and he's down to six women to choose from?

I don't know, I don't think Nick wants to get married. He wants to get laid. This is the only reason why Corinne is still around. She's not pretty, and she barely has a personality. But I will say this for her. After the Taylor crap, she seemed to calm down a bit, especially when the resort maid came around.

So next week, Nick will be moping around until the platinum vageen makes her appearance?

It's amazing how I care about who will be The Bachelorette more than who Nick "chooses" for his "fianceé." Go, Rachel!

[truthaboutluv]

32 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I. Want. More. TEA!

In a nutshell, Reality Steve claimed that she told the women and Nick that Danielle L. was fake (now we didn't see this and of course RS will swear his sources are legitimate but still it's a you believe what you want kind of situation). This supposedly happened after Danielle's 1 on 1 with Nick so RS basically suggested that she felt threatened. Then she cried when her team lost the volleyball game, of course RS stated that they all cried and we did see that last night. But some have turned it into "Vanessa threw a tantrum when she lost and Nick coddled her and made them all stay". And finally, the creme de la creme that has many rushing to pick their team - word is she and Rachel did not like each other. Basically per RS, apparently he heard Vanessa wasn't the most liked woman in the house and so she was clearly a mini-villain. And that's the big dirt. 

[kingshearte]

OK, so I've watched it now.

The bit with Lorna and Corinne? Definitely gross.

The beach date? Seriously should have been edited better. The women seemed upset enough that I actually wonder if they weren't even told that losing meant heading back to the hotel until they lost. And of course, as presented in this episode, it just made no sense whatsoever.

I knew there was a Whitney (if only because of the running joke about it), but before this week, she really was enough of a non-entity for me that I couldn't have picked her out of a line up. But now that I do know who she is, can I just say that I think she's gorgeous? Reminds me a little of Amy Acker, I think.

I almost chuckled a little watching Nick steel himself to dump Danielle because the look on his face and the very long pause were very familiar to me. It's exactly what I do when I'm trying to figure out exactly how to phrase something when I argue with my husband.

And although I knew she couldn't last much longer, I was said to see Alexis go. I loved their interactions, and I feel like they actually did have something real. More of a friendship something than a romance something, but given more time in actual real life, who knows. But I do find myself hoping that they stay friends more than I hope he ends up married to any of the others.

Oh, and I almost forgot: what the ever-loving fuck was up with Jasmine? In what universe is threatening (offering?) to choke a guy right then and there a good strategy? Also, despite what certain best-selling authors might think, there's a big difference between consensual violence play in a sexual context (i.e. BDSM, potentially including choking) and violence because you're pissed with someone, even if you frame it as a sex thing. That was just seriously off the rails.

Edited February 8, 2017 by kingshearte

[Ohwell]

3 hours ago, violet and green said:

This is so dull, watching a depressed, bearded, mumbling, middle-aged playboy pretending to 'find his one'.

When did 36/37 become middle-aged?

[truthaboutluv]

8 minutes ago, kingshearte said:

The beach date? Seriously should have been edited better. The women seemed upset enough that I actually wonder if they weren't even told that losing meant heading back to the hotel until they lost. And of course, as presented in this episode, it just made no sense whatsoever.

It was like the pig group date (there's something you don't expect to type often) on Ben's season. Same thing where one moment the women seemed fine and having fun and then suddenly everyone's depressed and emotional and weird. I do remember they showed that it had to do with Ben's feelings for Lauren being obvious but their change of emotions still seemed to just come out of left field and you didn't know what happened. 

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I almost chuckled a little watching Nick steel himself to dump Danielle because the look on his face and the very long pause were very familiar to me. It's exactly what I do when I'm trying to figure out exactly how to phrase something when I argue with my husband.

I wasn't the biggest fan of Danielle's and I felt bad for her during that whole sequence. I know some thought she was fake and that she was spouting all these cliches about her feelings but I think at one point she was just very uncomfortable and trying to fill the silence because she could tell something was wrong because Nick wasn't saying anything. Honestly, the whole scene was so painfully awkward. I mean he just kept silently looking at her not saying anything while she babbled on and on about her feelings and love, etc. 

It's obvious, because the producers are that predictable that they are going to make it seem like Nick ends up alone because of course - the whole dumped twice at F2, fourth time's a charm, etc. So I feel like the editing has turned this into a shit show and hidden most of his strong connections so viewers will be convinced he either doesn't pick anyone or who he picks will turn him down. 

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When did 36/37 become middle-aged?

lol, indeed. 

Edited February 8, 2017 by truthaboutluv

[ribboninthesky1]

4 hours ago, Kbilly said:

The girls being pissy about volleyball reminded me of when Nick got really bitchy about that mime date on Andi's season.

Ha! Same, although if the rumors are true, the women had some legitimate gripes.  Never did understand what Nick was pouting about on that group date. 

2 hours ago, wings707 said:

The speech he made to the women was taken the wrong way.  They thought he didn't see a potential wife in those left.  What he meant is that he feared he was the one who was going to be dumped!

This is an interesting perspective.  Maybe I should watch it again, because I perceived it the same way the women did.  He came in all emotional, seemingly distraught about none of it working out.  I'm not sure it was on them for potentially misinterpreting what he said, especially since he came to them after eliminating two women. 

[coconutcookie]

I think Nick likes to pursue, and he doesn't have to pursue any of these girls.  He's not having nearly as much fun as he had with Andi and Kaitlin.  There also hasn't been much sexual chemistry with any of them, or at least the editors aren't showing us.  He seems to have the best sexual connection with Corinne who is pursuing him the way he pursued Andi and Kaitlin.

[truthaboutluv]

22 minutes ago, ribboninthesky1 said:

Never did understand what Nick was pouting about on that group date. 

He thought it was stupid and a waste of time for getting to know someone.

[Wings]

25 minutes ago, ribboninthesky1 said:

 

This is an interesting perspective.  Maybe I should watch it again, because I perceived it the same way the women did.  He came in all emotional, seemingly distraught about none of it working out.  I'm not sure it was on them for potentially misinterpreting what he said, especially since he came to them after eliminating two women. 

I watched the scene again.  I have the same take.  He did not articulate his thoughts well.  He fears the same thing happening again.  That would be it not working out with the woman he fell in love with on his previous 2 seasons.  He had high hopes for Danielle but it 'fell flat.'  He clearly wants a wife but fears he is reading the women incorrectly.  

If he prefers the chase Vanessa is the one he will have to chase.  Rachael and Corinne have made their feelings clear.  

I never thought to question Kristina's story until some here mentioned that it sounded off.  I did wonder what a 5 year old girl has to do to find her way to an orphanage.  Wander the streets until someone realizes she is alone with nowhere to go?  Unlikely.  She was giving the overview perhaps and leaving out details just to give him a rough outline of what happened is my guess.  

22 minutes ago, coconutcookie said:

I think Nick likes to pursue, and he doesn't have to pursue any of these girls.  He's not having nearly as much fun as he had with Andi and Kaitlin.  There also hasn't been much sexual chemistry with any of them, or at least the editors aren't showing us.  He seems to have the best sexual connection with Corinne who is pursuing him the way he pursued Andi and Kaitlin.

That is only because she is forcing herself on him.  Production is keeping her there and he has to deal with it.  I don't see any connection with her at all. 

Edited February 8, 2017 by wings707

[wonald]

1 hour ago, Ohwell said:

When did 36/37 become middle-aged?

 

36 is not young, no matter how Nick acts. Also this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/7458147/Middle-age-begins-at-35-and-ends-at-58.html

[Ohwell]

Well, that is the UK.  I'm just sayin'...

[TiredMe]

For me, Nick is rapidly reaching Ben Flapjack levels of bad. I have to watch each episode while multitasking something else because it doesn't hold my interest. Then I read some comments later and think wtf, when I miss stuff. Lol

vanessa was the only one with a fab swimsuit. 

[Madding crowd]

That article is just repeating what very young people think, no way to scientically prove such things. I don't believe that someone 58, 68, 78, 88 and 98 is at the exact same stage of life but young Brits obviously do. My personal definition would put Nick in as an adult. 

[booboopbedoo]

I am so excited to see Corrine with Nick's family!