Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[Scarlett45]

2 hours ago, JocelynCavanaugh said:

I don’t follow those other people but that bride is simply stunning. What a great example of how to be effortlessly modest. You don’t have to Frankenstein six different dresses together to broadcast that no normal gown meets your impeccable standards. The silhouette is flattering without being provocative, and the design is cohesive, almost as though one person executed it and didn’t rip pieces off of other garments in her tacky boutique or something. 

I thought her dress was gorgeous as well. 

[Sew Sumi]

Just goes to show what can be done when you have more than 3 months to plan a wedding. 

[lulu69]

The Duggars could have 3 years to plan a wedding and it would still be a cheap and tacky affair. As the English say, 'Common is as common does'.

[Portia]

On 6/8/2019 at 12:18 PM, Christina87 said:

My dad usually dresses casually around the home, but has always, always worn a suit to church.  Every single week. Most of the men in our church do wear suits, but a lot of them dress differently when it's really hot. Not my dad! I actually admire that, because he's not trying to get attention, like Jeremy would, but because he really respects the situation. I also wonder if it has something to do with the fact that he doesn't wear a suit to work, so he doesn't mind wearing one on Sundays (he usually wears polos to work under his lab coat).

When my husband was in seminary, one of his professors expressed that very maxim: that churches whose members do not dress up for work do so for church, and vice-versa. I don't know if the man had any data to back up his claim, but it was fairly well borne out (anecdotally, of course) by the churches my spouse served over the years. The congregants in our tiny farm church--and later, those at our congregation in the old working-class area of a large city--were surprisingly spiffy on Sunday morning. Church #3, our first predominantly white-collar congregation, was actually quite formal, too, but I don't count that because they were still influenced by the legacy of a former pastor who reportedly wore a tie to mow his lawn. But when we moved on to a church packed with college professors and medical professionals, it was the first time we saw jeans on Sunday morning and sometimes shorts on Sunday night. My husband hates ties and was delighted that he wasnt expected to wear one (or even a jacket) on Sunday night! (Personally I think people should wear what they want as long as it's in good repair and not utterly tasteless. Someone else's supposed lack of respect for God's house is not for me to judge.)

[Spencer Hastings]

I always said God has seen me at my absolute worst so why would He expect to see me uncomfortable and dressed up on Sundays. Might be something Austin and I actually agree on. 

[Zella]

9 minutes ago, Portia said:

they were still influenced by the legacy of a former pastor who reportedly wore a tie to mow his lawn.

This made me laugh so hard. Reminds me of Richard Nixon wearing a suit to the beach and apparently even when he was home alone. 😂

Edited June 10, 2019 by Zella

[CalicoKitty]

I have an old video from the 1930's in which my grandfather is shown wearing a tie while on a fishing trip.  In the boat fishing, wearing a necktie.

[Barb23]

2 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

I have an old video from the 1930's in which my grandfather is shown wearing a tie while on a fishing trip.  In the boat fishing, wearing a necktie.

He could have shared the boat with my father-in-law who wore dressier slacks, a dress shirt (with rolled up sleeves depending on the weather) & dress boots to fish & crab.  This is what he wore, no matter the occasion.  Except, unlike Austin, he would have worn a suit to a wedding. 

[Ijustwantsomechips]

My grandpa was a true cowboy and kept on a Stetson and boots, but even he wore suits to weddings.  He also had dress boots for nice occasions, and casual ones he wore to ride horses.  Not one pair for all.  

I could have let Austin slide had he put on nice loafers or shoes.  The checkered shirt is a little casual, but it appeared to be a daytime wedding, so his attire, sans the dirty boots, was probably more appropriate.

[Christina87]

I'm still laughing over the cap in the delivery room! No one could be so clueless! I'm still betting production told him to do it, thinking it would be knee slapping heee-lar-ee-us!!!

[Zella]

Oh I firmly believe he wore that cap in there of his own volition, without anyone prompting him to do it. He reminds me of a lot of good old boy rednecks--some of whom I'm related to--who you'd think the cap was surgically attached to their heads because you never see them without it. 

[Absolom]

I was surprised a nurse didn't make him take it off and then I remembered it's likely a much more common sight there.  Where my parents lived in Arkansas, it was super, super relaxed as far as dress "standards" went.  I could go an entire visit there and never see a woman in heels or a man in a suit no matter where I went.  After the first trip I never packed anything dressier than cotten/linen blend capris and never felt out of place.  

[truebluesmoky]

Gideon is adorable in this video. Super happy too!

[BitterApple]

Gideon is such a happy little cutie pie.

[Sew Sumi]

Too bad that his little light will be squashed out of him by puberty.

[OpieTaylor]

31 minutes ago, truebluesmoky said:

Gideon is adorable in this video. Super happy too!

Very cute, but do you think that Joy or anyone wiped off that wooden handle after?

[Jynnan tonnix]

15 hours ago, OpieTaylor said:

Very cute, but do you think that Joy or anyone wiped off that wooden handle after?

At least the diaper appeared to be clean! LOL

He is a very happy baby, though. Actually, most of the Duggar offspring, other than probably Izzy, seem pretty good-natured and laid-back. Since so many of them are within a few months of my granddaughter's age, I'm finding it interesting to compare them, and I know that my granddaughter appears to be infinitely more impatient and stubborn than they are. Which makes her quite a trial at times, as she definitely has her own mind. She's very much like my older son in temperament, but he did turn out to be exceptionally intelligent and the sort of natural leader who can take one look at a situation and figure out how best to address it, so I'm thinking that it's not altogether a bad thing. That easygoing sort of personality might be a lovely thing, but I bet it also makes it easier to raise a kid who will be just as happy to "keep sweet" and never think to question the status quo as an adult.

[farmgal4]

19 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Too bad that his little light will be squashed out of him by puberty.

You know they’re probably blanket training him already.

[queenanne]

Gideon is starting to take after Sam in looks, imo.

[galaxychaser]

Joy has lost the baby at 20 weeks. It was a girl named Annabelle Elise. It’s on instagram.

Edited July 4, 2019 by galaxychaser

[BitterApple]

Oh, how awful. Poor Joy.

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

Joy has lost the baby at 20 weeks. It was a girl named Annabelle Elise. It’s on instagram.

Wow very sorry to hear that. Looks like it happened last week but they waited to announce. Wonder if the stress about her grandmother's passing was a factor? 😞

[nightmeri]

It is truly sad and I am hoping against hope that Lauren holds her tongue and doesn’t say something about “the cousins” being together in heaven. She needs to step back and be quiet 

[PradaKitty]

Maybe this will shut Lauren up about losing Asa! 

[dargosmydaddy]

1 minute ago, nightmeri said:

It is truly sad and I am hoping against hope that Lauren holds her tongue and doesn’t say something about “the cousins” being together in heaven. She needs to step back and be quiet 

One of my first thoughts was, "Maybe Lauren will shut up now," but yeah, probably not...

Poor Joy and Austin. I can't imagine how hard it will be for her to see all her nieces born in November.

[Sew Sumi]

[BitterApple]

Annabelle is a pretty name.

Regarding Lauren, I hope she doesn't hijack Joy's loss. She was barely far enough along to register a positive pee stick, and she got a heavy period the same week. It probably sounds insensitive, but I don't think it's on the same level as losing a baby halfway through. Hopefully she has enough sense to say some nice words and leave her Balloon Baby out of it.

[awaken]

Oh, I am so sorry for joy. What sad news. And probably even harder to bear with all the pregnant family members. I hope she gets lots of true loving support throughout this difficult time, and after. 

[Spencer Hastings]

What an awful loss for Joy. Being so far along and losing a baby must be so painful.  I hope she and Austin continue to comfort each other in the coming days and months, especially since there seems to be a girl boom happening in November. I also hope she punches Lauren in the face if she even attempts to make her pain comparable to what Joy is going through—but I would pray that she isn’t that self absorbed or malicious.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Spencer Hastings

[Sew Sumi]

I know it's probably too soon, but I can't help but wonder if Joy's woo diet (zero carbs to lose baby weight that she kept up even after she lost all that weight and thensome) had something to do with this? She pimped out the diet on IG a few times. Bobby Ballinger's mother (Joy's BIL through Austin's sister) was her "coach." 

Sorry, but I felt that it needed to be said.

[BitterApple]

11 minutes ago, awaken said:

 I hope she gets lots of true loving support throughout this difficult time, and after. 

Funny you mention that, considering this happened a week ago. It seems a bit tacky for Jessa to be posting Ivy pictures and Jinger to shill for Cameo on Instagram after their sister suffered such an awful tragedy. I wouldn't expect any of the family to comment before Joy said her piece, but it's odd that they're carrying on like it's business as usual. What a weird family. 

2 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I know it's probably too soon, but I can't help but wonder if Joy's woo diet (zero carbs to lose baby weight that she kept up even after she lost all that weight and thensome) had something to do with this? She pimped out the diet on IG a few times. Bobby Ballinger's mother (Joy's BIL through Austin's sister) was her "coach." 

Sorry, but I felt that it needed to be said.

That was my first though as well, but I was too chicken to say it.

Edited July 4, 2019 by BitterApple

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Funny you say that, considering this happened a week ago. It seems a bit tacky for Jessa to be posting Ivy pictures and Jinger to shill for Cameo on Instagram after their sister suffered such an awful tragedy. I wouldn't expect any of the family to comment before Joy said her piece, but it's odd that they're carrying on like it's business as usual. What a weird family. 

Sadly, I don't expect any of them to be too supportive. Like, I think they will feel bad for her but not be an actual comfort.

My first real introduction to the Duggars, despite living in Arkansas for years, was Jill sobbing during that molestation interview while Jessa juust sat there coldly next to her. I'm not someone who usually deals with emotion very well--mine or other people's--but I was shocked she didn't even try to pat her on the shoulder or anything. 

Edited July 4, 2019 by Zella

[PikaScrewChu]

26 minutes ago, nightmeri said:

It is truly sad and I am hoping against hope that Lauren holds her tongue and doesn’t say something about “the cousins” being together in heaven. She needs to step back and be quiet 

The only thing that gives a spark of hope is that Lauren Markle kept from mentioning her miscarriage directly in the anniversary post. 

Can't snark on this one. I hope they get the care they need and get actual support.

[Sew Sumi]

Jessa reposted Joy's post with a comment about God's comfort.

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I know it's probably too soon, but I can't help but wonder if Joy's woo diet (zero carbs to lose baby weight that she kept up even after she lost all that weight and thensome) had something to do with this? She pimped out the diet on IG a few times. Bobby Ballinger's mother (Joy's BIL through Austin's sister) was her "coach." 

Sorry, but I felt that it needed to be said.

I had forgotten about this but remember it now. Was she still following it even after she got pregnant? 😞

[PikaScrewChu]

12 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I know it's probably too soon, but I can't help but wonder if Joy's woo diet (zero carbs to lose baby weight that she kept up even after she lost all that weight and thensome) had something to do with this? She pimped out the diet on IG a few times. Bobby Ballinger's mother (Joy's BIL through Austin's sister) was her "coach." 

Sorry, but I felt that it needed to be said.

I wonder if she was getting any prenatal care besides woo woo midwives and Jill. Knowing this family, probably not. That picture of her and Austin is clearly at the hospital since Joy has an IV in her arm.

I know we all speculated that something "bad" was eventually going to happen to one of the women during pregnancy. I didn't think it was going to be so soon.

[Sew Sumi]

Given how much weight she gained with Giddyup, I wouldn't put keeping up the woo diet out of the realm of possibility.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Given how much weight she gained with Giddyup, I wouldn't put keeping up the woo diet out of the realm of possibility.

Yeah I was doing some Google-fu about it, and I think she first started posting about the diet back in December. It wouldn't have been more than a couple of months later that she would have conceived. 

[Saylii]

I really hope TLC wasn’t filming the ultrasound.  I don’t think I could watch that episode.

[Sew Sumi]

This is from mid-January. We didn't know her exact due date, but she conceived within a few weeks of this video. She may have stopped advertising after she learned she was pregnant, but still kept up with the shakes and no carb dinners.

eta: Hopefully @doodlebug can weigh in on how much possibly disordered diet can affect pregnancy. 

Edited July 4, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[PikaScrewChu]

She was due early-mid November. Kendra is due first, (was) followed by Joy, followed by Lauren, and finally Anna. Lauren's due date has been speculated as November 17th because of an Amazon registry.  

[Barb23]

Poor Joy & Austin.  It would be interesting to know about her prenatal care.   I wonder if she was at one of those  storefront sono places or at a real doctor's office. 

Does anyone know how those storefront sono places work?  Are they allowed to tell you if something is wrong or do they refer you back to your doctor? 

Besides Amy, that is something they were all having girls.

I'm hoping they didn't have a circus of a service for her, if they had one.  

[Saylii]

I think a lot of it probably depends on the gestational age of the baby when she stopped growing.  If Joy had spotty prenatal care, it could have been a few weeks before the lack of heartbeat was detected.  If we’re talking about a 13-15 week baby, there are still a lot of reasons a miscarriage can happen.  Joy also likely didn’t have any genetic screenings, even the ones for the common chromosomal abnormalities that will almost always result in fetal death.

[PikaScrewChu]

1 minute ago, Barb23 said:

Poor Joy & Austin.  It would be interesting to know about her prenatal care.   I wonder if she was at one of those  storefront sono places or at a real doctor's office. 

Does anyone know how those storefront sono places work?  Are they allowed to tell you if something is wrong or do they refer you back to your doctor? 

Besides Amy, that is something they were all having girls.

I'm hoping they didn't have a circus of a service for her, if they had one.  

Boutique ultrasound places cannot offer diagnostic care where I live. They would have told Joy and Austin to go see a medical professional ASAP. I looked at a few boutique ultrasound websites in my area and they do not recommend doing the ultrasounds earlier than 25-26 weeks but it is a bit different here. Most medical ultrasound places won't reveal the sex at all. So you do the diagnostic ultrasound and then go get the boutique one if you so desire. 

I don't know about Arkansas though. 

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

 It’s more likely that the baby had a chromosomal disorder like Turner syndrome that couldn’t be prevented or avoided.

Is this something that would have been caught sooner ordinarily or is usually found at about this stage? (I don't mean that to sound accusatory. Am just genuinely curious.)

[Saylii]

It looks like Arkansas requires prenatal care after a c-section to be with an OB (or, at least the delivery can’t be with a licensed midwife).  Either Joy dug her head in the sand and was ignoring all medical treatment in hopes of a last-ditch at home birth (a la Jill) or she did have an OB.

[PikaScrewChu]

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

Is this something that would have been caught sooner ordinarily or is usually found at about this stage? (I don't mean that to sound accusatory. Am just genuinely curious.)

They're doing genetic tests now that can detect chromosomal abnormalities earlier and earlier. I remember friends doing them. However they are generally only available to people who can afford them.

There's also a stigma in a lot of evangelical Christian communities in getting genetic tests done because you should love a baby no matter what, even if it will pass away in utero or die shortly after birth.

[Zella]

1 minute ago, PikaScrewChu said:

They're doing genetic tests now that can detect chromosomal abnormalities earlier and earlier. I remember friends doing them. However they are generally only available to people who can afford them.

There's also a stigma in a lot of evangelical Christian communities in getting genetic tests done because you should love a baby no matter what, even if it will pass away in utero or die shortly after birth.

Thank you--that all makes sense!

I'm at that age where some of my friends are having kids, but I don't get exposed to the nitty gritty details. 

[Sew Sumi]

20 minutes ago, Zella said:

Is this something that would have been caught sooner ordinarily or is usually found at about this stage? (I don't mean that to sound accusatory. Am just genuinely curious.)

I'm curious as well, which is why I put a disclaimer in there that I wanted @doodlebug's assessment. 

It's a horrible loss. I hope Joy didn't have to carry that poor fetus around for days to go into labor like Mechelle did with Jubilee. At least Joy got to the hospital to deliver. I'm glad for that.

Jana has now weighed in. Confirms that everything happened some days ago.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Sew Sumi
Joy keeps turning into Not. Even in this edit.

[mythoughtis]

With the number of women of childbearing age in this family, it stands to reason that there will be several miscarriages between them over the years.  Anna, Lauren and now Joy.  And there’s no reason to think any of them did anything to cause it. Or could prevent it.

as to the rest of them living their lives, Joy and Austin might have controlled the flow of information and not told everyone right away.  Even if they were told, they can’t stop living their lives every time one of their 7 million family members has a set back- they’d never leave their house if they did. 

Edited July 4, 2019 by mythoughtis