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S07.E07: Sing Me A Song


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So, in the comic books that feature Negan, is each book like 800 pages long? 'Cause it seems like they'd have to be, to allow him to repeat each joke or statement over and over and over again. Or is there a "repeat" signal, like on music sheets,that reminds you to reread every single panel a few times if he spoke during it? Which he did. Because he is Negan. Which means that he even talks during root canal surgery.

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I did enjoy the montage of Negan watching water flow from a faucet, and looking into well-decorated rooms with awe. I sort of expected him getting some of Enid's green balloons and making animals out of them for all the neighborhood kids. Then, he could have dressed up like Fizbo the Clown.

And it would have been then that Rick would pull up, huffing and puffing. But he would have come to halt upon seeing Negan dressed as a clown.

Negan would have quickly recovered. Scowling and snarling, he would have snapped, "I can explain."

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9 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

It just defies belief that none of Negan's men ever conspired to take him out. No one can rule by oppression, brutality and threats for very long, especially someone as seemingly unstable and cruel as Negan.

I know!  How can it be?  In the iron scene everyone was just standing around watching.  Carl had the bat.  All the kneeling and kowtowing is ridiculous.  So many wasted opportunities.

On TTD JDM said something about how the next few years will be fun.  Years???  I was counting on Negan being removed by the end of this season, if not before.  Most of the CDB crew are ready to take him on singlehandedly.  You mean no one is going to do anything for years???  Way to burst my bubble, show.  (I hope that isn't considered a spoiler.  He could be killed off next week for all we know.)

Also on TTD the actress who plays Olivia said she really hauled off and smacked JDM.  Tell me, where does the line form?  I'm so sick of him already, the mid season break will be a relief.

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Thank you smart, capable, badass Michonne for making an appearance.

These hour and a half episodes are pointless.

When Negan was sitting on the porch, holding Judith, yaking away (that idiot just will not shut up), Olivia should have shot him in the head from behind.

Am I really supposed to believe that Carl would have a machine gun and only kill two people?  Either Carl is a serial killer in the making, a crack shot, or a liability.  Make up your mind writers.

The guy with Rick and the guy with FPP are interchangeable.  I can't remember who is who anymore.  It's annoying that Glenn is dead, and other useless characters are still alive.

Do me a favor Rosita, don't waste your one bullet, put a bullet in Eugene's head.  I'm tired of the way he talks to, and I'm mean.

What is the point of Jesus being able to sneak around everywhere, and have mad ninja skills, if he is never going to bother doing anything?

The reason men like Stalin, Hitler, Castro, the Khamer Rouge, the Congo are successful is because they are backed up by people that are monsters just like them.  When Negan's men had guns pointed at everyone's heads, it made sense for them to be leary of doing anything.  Those thirty or so people who stood by and watched while Negan burned that man's face are cowards, or am I supposed to believe there are hundreds of men with guns that follow Negan, but are never seen?

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24 minutes ago, CletusMusashi said:

So, in the comic books that feature Negan, is each book like 800 pages long? 

No. This episode was pretty much one issue in regards to Negan and Carl, and in writing, the dialogue goes by much quicker. I think it's between 30 and 40 pages per issue. 

In general, the comics are much more well paced, with no boring filler in between. 

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24 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

When Negan was sitting on the porch, holding Judith, yaking away (that idiot just will not shut up), Olivia should have shot him in the head from behind.

With what gun? 

No, but seriously. She could have whacked him over the head with something good and hard. Then once he was unconscious, take the baby away, and slit his throat open. Take him out and bury him in the woods and act like you have no idea what happened after he left ASZ. Actually, some of these people are smart enough, they could stage something that draws attention away from them. Negan's goons are too stupid to give it much thought. And, anyhow, I'd wager most of them would be too busy exhaling a collective sigh of relief, to worry about HOW he met his maker. 

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More blah blah blah this episode. A few of the things Negan said to Carl were funny and L'dOL at Father Pee Pants. Otherwise, meh. I realize they are setting up these episodes for payoff(hopefully) down the line but I still find them boring. I don't read the comics but I knew about Negan and I was dreading when he'd show up on the show and I do hate the character. Too bad whatever Michonne was up to didn't involve her finding the Kingdom because then all my favorite people would be there and I could just watch those episodes.

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I still have no idea why that was a 90 minute episode or however many minutes that translates out to minus the interminable commercials.   Did we learn anything at all that we didn't already know or hadn't already been told multiple times?  Oh, I guess that Negan thinks that running water and carpet are really awesome.  Otherwise all this episode did was yet again demonstrate how it makes no sense whatsoever that all of these people are just dumbly following along either being part of his harem or giving up their wives and girlfriends to him instead of taking the back of his head off with that stupid bat.  I also have no idea if I'm supposed to feel bad for characters like Sherry and Dwight or see them as part of the overall villain conglomerate likely to eventually end up on the business end of a machine gun or flambed if and when Team CDB finally get their shit together or if it even matters.

So was Jesus just hanging out on the top of the truck the entire time Carl was taking the nickel tour of Chez Negan?  I agree with everyone else that I have yet to see any reason for why this character is hyped as much as I'm told he is.  Most of his screen time has been spent being completely noncommittal and trying to keep from being seen, with a few high flying karate kicks at zombies or people who didn't actually mean him any harm thrown in for good measure.  And it still makes absolutely no sense to me that it didn't occur to a single person in Rick's wrecking crew or at Hilltop to maybe try this reconnaissance mission before they all went a murderin' at the satellite outpost.  The fact that it's apparently that easy to hitch a ride in to look around now just makes them all look even dumber.

Please tell me we're not expected to believe Rosita and Eugene went on that entire sojourn for him to make a single bullet for her.   I can sort of get all the various lone wolves in this episode not running any of their plans by Rick at this point since he seems cowed enough to be just as likely to hand that single bullet over as he is to do anything else but maybe they should be talking to each other a little bit and acknowledging that if that single bullet doesn't fire for some reason that it's likely to be taken out on another group member.

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On 12/1/2016 at 4:08 PM, CletusMusashi said:

So I guess this week is gonna be the annual Thugville Talent Show? OK, so Daryl will sing "Easy Street," Dwight will sing the "Who's the Boss?" theme.. and Negan and Lucille will be in charge of gonging. I'd like to speculate on what other songs we might hear, but the Neganlogues will eat up so much time that I don't think it will really be an issue.

I thought it was a good episode. Then again, I'm almost always fine with whatever story the show wants to tell. That said, Carl should have chosen this to perform.
 

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As much as I loved Olivia slapping Negan, I'm almost afraid that that's gonna come back and bite her in the ass.  Almost anything someone does as a slight against the guy comes back in full later.

Father Gabriel calmly calling Spencer (who, granted, wasn't wrong, but still said it wrong) a "tremendous shit" with a smile on his face was one of the best parts of the episode for me.

Returning to Olivia, though, why would she care where Enid was?  Who is Enid to Olivia?

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Oh my god I can't take anymore of these first draft Negan monologues. He's like the poochie of this show. ENOUGH. Do you know how fucking exhausting it is waiting for someone to shut up?

Also killing anyone or thing with a gun as your only weapon is beyond stupid. Guns are imprecise. You know what isn't imprecise? An axe to the nutsack.

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Returning to Olivia, though, why would she care where Enid was?  Who is Enid to Olivia?

Why not? These people all know each other at this point.

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Oh my god I can't take anymore of these first draft Negan monologues. He's like the poochie of this show. ENOUGH. Do you know how fucking exhausting it is waiting for someone to shut up?

JDM was on Howard Stern last week (and he was really cute and funny. He has an animal sanctuary in Rhinebeck, NY, where he and Paul Rudd co-own a candy store) and he mentioned how much Negan never shuts up too. Said he was pretty daunted when he received the very first script with Negan in it.

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6 hours ago, Decoda said:

Remember when show killed off a main central character, who is still alive and badass in the comics, because everyone hated the character as written and portrayed on show? Can't same be done with Negan? He is boring and tedious.

Is that Tyreese?

6 hours ago, Red Fields said:

Stop with the P word, already.

I find it really strange that the sponsors will apparently be highly offended by the word 'fuck' but talking about a woman's 'pussy' is fine. It's a very 'adult' and gross word when it's being used for women's genitalia. Then again I don't understand why someone being beaten to death or having their face burnt off is ok but 'fuck' and showing doodles, hoo-has and tatas are all deemed offensive.

5 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

Cut his hair, Negan.  Cut his hair.

I was SO hoping he'd ridicule both Daryl and Coral about their hair and then hack it off. I got my hopes up when Negan said to Coral to hold his hair back so he could get his jollies by looking at poor Coral's eye - I thought maybe he'd give him an impromptu haircut.

5 hours ago, riverheightsnancy said:

I agree, I would like to know about Jesus' background too. I hope that the infiltration of Jesus is the beginning of the saving/rescue of Daryl. 

I find Jesus really intriguing but they haven't done much with the character after those first couple of episodes the we met him. I hope they don't continue to waste his character.

1 hour ago, mrspidey said:

When TWD hypes up 90 minute episodes, what they really mean is 60 minutes plus 30 minutes of stupid comercials.

When Westworld hypes up 90 minute episodes, you actually get 90 minutes. 

That's such a bugbear of mine! I watch the show by 'other means' so I know exactly how long the episodes really are - roughly 44 mins for a normal ep and 58 mins for an extended one. I feel like they are flat out lying when they say the show is 1.5 hours. For me a full hour is good but if I was having to watch it with so many ads it stretches it out to 1.5 hours that would really piss me off.

4 hours ago, CletusMusashi said:

I know a lot of people are scared that Negan is going to do horrible things to Judith. Or use her as leverage to make Rick and Coral do horrible things to other people. Or maybe just steal her away in order to compensate for whatever fertility issues he's trying way too hard to compensate for. But I think the game has now shifted in favor of Rick. I mean, think about it. How many years has he been looking for someone who could keep track of where both his kids were? Congratulations, Negan. You're the new nanny! Tony Danza would be so proud.

I actually bought that he genuinely liked her. People have so many aspects to them and I can buy that a total sociopath can still appreciate the sweetness of a baby. Particularly Judith, she's a little darling!

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Negan must have some very loyal subjects in his kingdom. I'm guessing those loyalists are his "A" team, which seemed to be the group that recently collected from Hill Top. They seemed to be a little criminally insane. Otherwise, why would these people put up with him? He has to have some pro-Negan enforcers in his group.

So, it seems like this particular storyline is following the comics to a "T". I will say that Negan is everything I wanted The Governor to be, despite the long speeches (which is part of his character anyway) and the campiness of his harem.

He terrifies, disgusts and entertains me all at the same time.  I like how they are building him up and am excited to see his fall!

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Since the Daryl-centric episode I've been meaning to comment on the red 'A' on his track top. There was a red 'A' on the carriage there were locked in in Terminus then a red 'A' on the church. Did we see one at Alexandria, I can't remember? I wonder if there is any significance in the letter since it's been displayed so many times.

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I actually bought that he genuinely liked her. People have so many aspects to them and I can buy that a total sociopath can still appreciate the sweetness of a baby. Particularly Judith, she's a little darling!

This. A baby will never cheat on him or betray him, and is totally dependent on him. A baby doesn't need to be broken because she has no ego, and she's completely moldable. And omfg so adorable--I still think she should get an Emmy for back in season two when she was playing with those cups. Also, Negan thinks he's a nice guywho only enforces rules when other people push him until there's simply no other option but to beat them to death, iron their face, or marry him. I think baby killer would go against the moral code he thinks he has.

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30 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

So was Jesus just hanging out on the top of the truck the entire time Carl was taking the nickel tour of Chez Negan?  I agree with everyone else that I have yet to see any reason for why this character is hyped as much as I'm told he is.

Well, he's good at clinging to the tops of trucks and he knows how to fall without hurting himself, and... oh, I guess that's about it. It's all I've seen anyway.

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

I actually thought the best acting we've seen from JDM was when he apologized for making Carl cry about his eye. There was no schtick. No persona. It seemed really genuine.

Thanks for confirming what I thought. It did seem genuine and actually human, something Negan has not shown himself to be up until then. I also thought he was truly taken with Judith (must have been - he even took off his leather jacket to hold her!) and why not? Even Hitler had a soft spot in him for animals and little children.

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I too watch this show "by other means" (kodi is so awesome) and for me, the episode stopped at what looked like a real weird place. Negan, Coral and Lil Asskicker were all hanging out on the porch. Negan was askign Lil Asskicker if he (Negan) should move in and kill Coral and Rick. Then, it looked like maybe he was going to say something else, his mouth was open real wide (he was either going to talk some more, start singing or bite Judith's head off)....did anything happen after that?

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1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

 

I still have no idea why that was a 90 minute episode or however minutes that translates out to minus the interminable commercials.

 

It's becoming alarmingly clear, to me, that whenever Negan is in an episode, they have to tack an extra 30 minutes on. 

 

1 hour ago, Michel said:

 

As much as I loved Olivia slapping Negan, I'm almost afraid that that's gonna come back and bite her in the ass.  Almost anything someone does as a slight against the guy comes back in full later.

 

Such as Carl killing two of his men? Carl's little show of bravado is going to snowball into a BIG problem, me thinks. Or Negan will just walk around and swing his bat and act menacing for 2 more hours. 

 

1 hour ago, MissScarlett said:

Negan must have some very loyal subjects in his kingdom. I'm guessing those loyalists are his "A" team, which seemed to be the group that recently collected from Hill Top. They seemed to be a little criminally insane. Otherwise, why would these people put up with him? He has to have some pro-Negan enforcers in his group

I don't know. Dwight is clearly one of his top guys. Yet he married Dwight's woman and kisses her right in front of him. He made Dwight handle the iron before he burned that dude's face, knowing that Dwight had previously received the same treatment. Dude who brought him his missing bat - calls him "Fat Whoever". Have we ever actually seen Negan interact with any of his dudes in a positive way? He just seems nasty to all of them. 

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5 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Have we ever actually seen Negan interact with any of his dudes in a positive way? He just seems nasty to all of them. 

No. He goes out of his way to humiliate and degrade them. NO way would he have such a loyal and obedient following. If this were real, he'd need an armed guard wherever he goes, and he better treat the members of that guard like kings.

There he was, unarmed in the middle of that crowd as he burned that guy's face (BTW, to me that guy looked so much like Spencer I got confused, thinking they had caught him), a unbelievably cruel torture that may have raised eyebrows during the Spanish Inquisition, and not one person objects? Have none of them ever gotten together and said, "We can have all this, without the torture and the kneeling, if we whack Negan. Let's do it!"?

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I said I wasn't going to watch but I caved.

I hate to say it, but Carl's eye is really fucked up.

Also, Negan cracked me up the way he looked at Olivia when she said they were "starving."  Say what, Olivia?

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Since the Daryl-centric episode I've been meaning to comment on the red 'A' on his track top. There was a red 'A' on the carriage there were locked in in Terminus then a red 'A' on the church. Did we see one at Alexandria, I can't remember? I wonder if there is any significance in the letter since it's been displayed so many times.

when the kid stamped ricks hand at the party in alexandria it was a red A

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Can some one tell me what happened at the end? Someone who was either Aaron, Spencer, or Justin Timberlake whistled and some bald guy opened a gate.  Where were they?   Who are these people?  

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2 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

Why not? These people all know each other at this point.

JDM was on Howard Stern last week (and he was really cute and funny. He has an animal sanctuary in Rhinebeck, NY, where he and Paul Rudd co-own a candy store) and he mentioned how much Negan never shuts up too. Said he was pretty daunted when he received the very first script with Negan in it.

He does?! Wow, that makes me like him even more! (JDM, not Negan). Watching him hold Judith, I'm not sure what I was supposed to be feeling.

Olivia for the win with that slap. I know Rosita is angry, but I thought she was mean to poor Eugene. I don't care what Spencer is doing.

When does Negan find the time to "screw" his wives when he's too busy talking all day? And more to the point, if he has that many, is he actually screwing them successfully? He's not a 21 year old frat boy.

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1 minute ago, MaggieG said:

When does Negan find the time to "screw" his wives when he's too busy talking all day? And more to the point, if he has that many, is he actually screwing them successfully? He's not a 21 year old frat boy.

Like with doctor visits and many other things in life, they probably  spend more time waiting than doing(or screwing). I think he probably just likes having/owning them, more than he likes using them. Yeah, at his age he's not going to be having any sexual marathons.

 

29 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

Also, Negan cracked me up the way he looked at Olivia when she said they were "starving."

 The whole exchange cracked me up.

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6 minutes ago, diebartdie said:

MaggieG, are you trying to ask how's his penis?

I mean.... yeah.... he is 50. Well, JDM is, not sure how old Negan is supposed to be. I'm sure it works, but I don't think he's doing it as often as he would like us too.

6 minutes ago, AngelaHunter said:

Like with doctor visits and many other things in life, they probably  spend more time waiting than doing(or screwing). I think he probably just likes having/owning them, more than he likes using them. Yeah, at his age he's not going to be having any sexual marathons.

 

That's what I am thinking. So they just sit around all day in their black dresses? The perfect opportunity to plan a takeover. Ladies, let's get it done!

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I'm the same size as Olivia, and embarrassed to say if Negan asked me the question, I would have said hell yeah! Then killed him afterward. I still have a problem with Neagan inspiring so much fear and he claims they respect him . He acts completing unhinged with the way he talks, he often walks around completely unarmed and he separates couples so he can have the wife. When are these people going to wise up and save screw this idiot?

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15 hours ago, lmsweb said:

OK so I was not happy about a remake of the Mummy, but that commercial didn't look half bad. Or maybe it's because they stuck it in the first half hour of this episode that made it look good.

Wait what? They are remaking The Mummy as in Rick O'Connell/Evie O'Connell The Mummy?

YaY Olivia for slapping Negan.

15 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

Has Gabriel forgotten the petty bitch-ass ways that Rick tried to humiliate him?  Spencer might be an asshole, but he's right.

LOL I though oh Gabriel you've downed the rickaide real good. I also didn't get why Gabriel got out of the car and, I assumed, walked back to Alexandria.

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He does?! Wow, that makes me like him even more! (JDM, not Negan). 

Yeah! And he takes in alpacas from the people who, about 10 years ago maybe, decided they could make money raising them for their hair and no longer want them. He's not veg(etari)an or anything (I think Norman Reedus might be), but he doesn't eat any of the animals from his farm (though he might eat the eggs from his chickens); he just takes care of them.

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I'm fully on the FPP train now. In fact, I shall forthwith call him by his proper character name--the way Gabriel called out Spencer was both hilarious and a huge "RIGHT ON!" moment. You can't be the guy who steals/hoards food and then turn around and criticize the leadership. Not ok.

 

This was the first episode where I really felt like JDM got into Negan's skin the way he reads in the comics, to be honest. Maybe it's because among all the posturing, there was some actual dialogue with Coral in there, but it felt almost more... natural, in the scene-chewing sense. If that makes any sense at all.

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Carl had exactly ZERO reasons not to shoot out-in-the-open Negan from the truck, other than poor storytelling.  I blamed him (and the writers) for every single Neverending Monologue from Negan this episode.   ?

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19 minutes ago, GodsBeloved said:

Wait what? They are remaking The Mummy as in Rick O'Connell/Evie O'Connell The Mummy?

 

Yup, and I was so not happy when they announced the remake last year. This looks more like a reboot than a remake though.

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Negan is nothing more than Kirkman's "cool" alter ego.   Which is why he is so tragically unhip.  Also, have they been consulting with Fred Vogel on all this torture porn such and such?  It has little shock factor, just ham handed.   Compare the tiresome face burning scene with the truly visceral scene of Rick running down the Grady cop.   I swear they did the face burning thing just to make Daryl mop up the pee.   This shit is just crude and boring. 

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Yeah, I think Negan was a high school jock who was disappointed when life didn't hand him fortune and all the pussy he could handle. He went from teenage 'star' to boring middle aged man (car salesman or gym teacher, either works)  in a flash, but never forgot his stupid 'glory days'. He's not well educated, he's not terribly smart, he's crude and gross,  but he's absolutely stunningly confident in his ability to lead. (Sounds all too familiar, which one of a bajillion reasons I can't fathom why anyone finds this guy interesting or attractive in any way). So somehow, when the ZA happened, he decided, oh no, i'm not gonna be a little impotent man anymore and he and his stupid bat, which I'm pretty sure he somehow masturbates with,  somehow managed to get the upper hand with some stupid schmoes and 'reinvent' himself as someone he thinks is cool and powerful. There is literally nothing not gross about this guy.

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3 minutes ago, luna1122 said:

Yeah, I think Negan was a high school jock who was disappointed when life didn't hand him fortune and all the pussy he could handle. He went from teenage 'star' to boring middle aged man (car salesman or gym teacher, either works) 

Did you read the current comic book series detailing Negan's origins?

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5 minutes ago, mrspidey said:

Did you read the current comic book series detailing Negan's origins?

No, I've never read the comics, but did read that he's a coach, somewhere.

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16 hours ago, CletusMusashi said:

(With apologies to Billy Joel)

It's nine o'clock on a Sunday night

The "got no life" crowd shuffles in

There's an odd man standin' next to me

Makin' love to his bat... that's a thang?

He says: "Rick: can you sit through a monologue?

I'm not really sure where it goes

It ain't strong but it's long and if I get it wrong

I'll keep trying til maybe it flows..."

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah dumb

Sing me a song, if you gotta man

At least then it might have a beat

And at least then it'd have a damn melody

And it wouldn't take half the damn week

Now Shane on the phone is a friend of mine

He gets me my kids for free

Carol's quick with a Bic or to light up the sick

but there's no place that she wants to be

But,  Negan your speeches are killing me

And the last time we gathered around

My five foot four son grew up seven foot one

Could you shorten your speechiness down?

Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah dumb

Now Dwight is decent antagonist

who doesn't have rights to his wife

and he's talking to Daryl who's locked in a barrel

and probably filthy with lice

and the Saviors aren't practiced at politics

as the big shitstorms slowly begin

Yes, they're sharing a drink called brutality

but at least they talk less than Negan

Sing us a song or just shut it, man

Sing it or shut your trap

'Cause we're not in the mood for a monologue

and you just go yap yap yap yap

It's a pretty damn crowded apocalypse

There's a tiger king wearing a mop

and guy on a hill that calls Natalie Jill

and an island where hippie girls hop

But that Negan-hole's a clown from a carnival

And his writing is so overblown

He's invaded my show and I just wanna know

Will this man just shut up and go home?

Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, dumb

Sing me a song if you gotta, man

'Cause it can't take as long as your speech

and if you make me hear one more monologue

I will kill you, you son of a beetch.

*stands up and claps* ??? Bravo! You are my new favorite person, CletusMusashi. I think I might love you. 

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39 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

Negan is nothing more than Kirkman's "cool" alter ego.

Exactly what I've been saying, only I compared him to fanfic's "Mary Sue." He's what Kirkman is in his (Kirkman's) little sweaty torture-porn fantasies.

 

1 hour ago, GodsBeloved said:

Has Gabriel forgotten the petty bitch-ass ways that Rick tried to humiliate him? 

And threatened to kill him. I didn't enjoy seeing him getting out of the car and storming off like a girl on a bad date.

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