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1 hour ago, KerleyQ said:

I was thinking last night about the whole Make America Great Again thing as it relates to Trump's Russian ties.  I think the general consensus is that, when Trump's slogan is generally referencing a period in our history where, coincidentally, we had kids in schools doing bomb drills the same way current day children do lockdown drills in school.  Fear of Russia was a big thing at that point in time.  So it seems really bizarre to me that the same people who are looking back at that time as a time when things were good (and, by that, they mean that anyone who wasn't a white, Christian male knew their place), are, so far, just peachy keen with Putin's attempts to influence our electoral process and the possibility that he may wield some influence over our incoming POTUS.  Because it seems like the Russian threat was, to them, the only real fly in the ointment of those "good old days."  But, now, they may really be getting the full scope of their good old days, Russian threat, and all.  

I was just talking about this with Mr. Wordly. I think that many of these older supporters long so much for the "good old days," and have such a fear of the present and future, that they're willing to cozy up to former enemy to do it. Or perhaps they long for a single old enemy, thinking that the USA defeated it before and so we can surely do it again, and it's surely easier than fighting all those seemingly leaderless terrorists.

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1 hour ago, Moose135 said:

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

This is still randomly cracking me up.    Truly, as these people who yodeled about the greatest generation, yadda yadda "Man it was good to be a white guy...and pretty much no one else"  voted for someone who has a lot of accurate comparisons to the rise of the Third Reich I honestly have wondered, "Um....do you actually understand which side that generation was fighting against?  Because there's some present-day evidence to suggest that you kind of don't...."   Revisionist history for everyone!! And you get misled, and you'll get misled....and you....It's like the worst Oprah special ever.   

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4 hours ago, Lunata said:

I also have very little use for a phone. I have one, but it's the kind of phone that's used mostly for emergencies. It's a Tracfone flip-phone. Yeah, it's a little embarrassing when I have to pull it out to use in public but too damned bad if anyone thinks it's stupid looking. I use it mainly in the car connected to Bluetooth so I can contact police or EMS if I have trouble while traveling. I also communicate with my husband in a casino when we lose each other. He's deaf in one ear and doesn't usually hear it so he usually holds it so he can feel the vibrate. I can't hear it with all the casino noise so I usually stick it inside my bra to feel the vibration when he calls.

This country is obsessed with gadgets and electronics. These devices have taken us into a very secluded place where the only thing we're connected to is on a screen or in an ear bud. This is what has happened to Donald Trump. Because he has a  mental disorder NPD, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) usually accompanies it. He can't stop Tweeting, he never will. We're going to have a Tweeting President! This is a very bad thing. What was meant to be a convenience for people has become an obsession. Our country is a country of users not producers. We use 'stuff', we don't design, develop and sell our ideas, we buy others.

The issue of who can access information stored on your electronic devices has become increasingly controversial in the last year, with authorities obtaining search warrants to unlock smartphones for everyone in an office building, courts ruling that police can force smartphone users to give up their devices’ pass-codes, and federal lawmakers trying to force weakened encryption on consumers. Now, police investigating a homicide are hoping to get a look under the hood of Amazon’s Echo speaker to see if its virtual “Alexa” assistant might have recorded evidence of a murder. This translates to Big Brother not only watching your every step with hidden cameras, but tracking your whereabouts on your phone and now seek to have the legal right to know what you're own voice has recorded inside the privacy of your home. This is scary shit and all done 'for our own good' of course.

Personally, when I'm a passenger in a car, I'd rather be watching what's going on outside of the car rather than staring at a phone. I am not a fan of Facebook or Twitter either, but it's necessary today to be able to follow and comment on Twitter accounts like Donald Trump. I have no friends or family on my Facebook, again.....I use it only to be able to comment on others page. I don't need to know that my nephew jogged 3 miles this morning and had a green shake for breakfast. I don't need to play 'candy crush' and I certainly don't need to see a photo of someone's baked tuna casserole photographed as if it's going to be on the cover of Gourmet magazine. The bottom line in all this technology is that it's making us all less and less connected instead of making us more connected. We're virtually connected to social media and people halfway around the world, but we haven't chatted across a fence or hallway with a neighbor in years. There's no friendships being made, there's only social contacts.

Glad to see I'm not the only one without a smart phone.  I've had a basic flip phone for years and just this year changed to a basic phone with pull-out keyboard so I could text.  I got texting for the first time because my two older sisters (in their 70s, mind you) both have smart phones and were constantly after me to upgrade so they could text me.  So I still have a basic phone but now with texting, and I text maybe once or twice a day.  I have no need for a smart phone or tablet.  Over the years, I've had either a desktop or laptop when I want to get online.  They suit my needs.  And I have a desktop at work.

So what about presidents and phones?  Pres. Obama said he would be glad to get his cell phone back when he leaves office.  Apparently, it was taken away when he went into office.  So apparently, there's a rule in place that presidents can't have a phone.  I guess we'll find out on Jan. 20 if that's a rule only for presidents other than Trump.

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1 hour ago, Moose135 said:

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

I'm pretty sure the Germans bore no responsibility for that one.

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3 minutes ago, Toomuchsoap said:
1 hour ago, Moose135 said:

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

I'm pretty sure the Germans bore no responsibility for that one.

And I'm pretty sure that was a reference to Animal House.  Gave me a chuckle, thanks!

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32 minutes ago, stillshimpy said:

This is still randomly cracking me up.    Truly, as these people who yodeled about the greatest generation, yadda yadda "Man it was good to be a white guy...and pretty much no one else"  voted for someone who has a lot of accurate comparisons to the rise of the Third Reich I honestly have wondered, "Um....do you actually understand which side that generation was fighting against?  Because there's some present-day evidence to suggest that you kind of don't...."   Revisionist history for everyone!! And you get misled, and you'll get misled....and you....It's like the worst Oprah special ever.   

More and more, it seems George Orwell was a true Nostradamus.

I ran across this while looking up the Ministry of Truth:

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Orwell observed in his own time and reported with true clarity in 1984: People most readily believe that which they can believe most conveniently.

  https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/n/1984/critical-essays/the-mutability-of-history

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43 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

Glad to see I'm not the only one without a smart phone.  I've had a basic flip phone for years and just this year changed to a basic phone with pull-out keyboard so I could text.  I got texting for the first time because my two older sisters (in their 70s, mind you) both have smart phones and were constantly after me to upgrade so they could text me.  So I still have a basic phone but now with texting, and I text maybe once or twice a day.  I have no need for a smart phone or tablet.  Over the years, I've had either a desktop or laptop when I want to get online.  They suit my needs.  And I have a desktop at work.

So what about presidents and phones?  Pres. Obama said he would be glad to get his cell phone back when he leaves office.  Apparently, it was taken away when he went into office.  So apparently, there's a rule in place that presidents can't have a phone.  I guess we'll find out on Jan. 20 if that's a rule only for presidents other than Trump.

Oh you know what Donald Trump thinks of rules, "bah, ain't nobody got time for rules"

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2 hours ago, Pixel said:

I work in a predominantly white place.  I've only worked with maybe 5 black people since I started at my place of work. Recently, I had a black woman as a member of my team. As we were getting to know each other, I told her - listen, I'm not racist.  But, I did grow up in a racist environment, and we live in a racist area, so if anything stupid flies out of my mouth, please don't get mad, because I promise I don't mean to be racist. I want you to call me out on it, because I am telling you right now I don't want to hold racist points of view, and if I do say anything offensive, there's a 99% chance I had no idea it was something I shouldn't have said.  

I'm pretty careful about that stuff anyway. My dad would casually drop the n-word and call negotiating prices "jewing them down".  I grew up with that stuff, and it has taken me a long time to not have to think about it before I say certain things.  She only called me out once in two years, and we got along great.

My point, of course, is that I like to believe I helped facilitate a better relationship because if I hadn't opened up that communication, maybe that one time she did call me out she wouldn't have said anything, and it would have become a festering sore between us and ruined our relationship. Even though we no longer work together, we remain friends.

So true - I once said to a black co-worker of mine "I haven't seen you in a coon's age" without meaning anything remotely racist by it.  She called me out, I apologized, and we remain friends to this day.  Words matter bigly.

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2 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

I think that, if they intend to get his phone away from him, they'll have to physically pry it away from him.  Even then, he'll have Jared or Ivanka sneak him a new one.  

Yeah, I'm not sure he can survive without a phone in his hand, tweeting crap to his adoring fans.

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3 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

Yeah, I'm not sure he can survive without a phone in his hand, tweeting crap to his adoring fans.

I was just about to say, I only hope if they take his phone away that he stops tweeting every batshit thought that dribbles through what passes for his brain.

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7 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

Yeah, I'm not sure he can survive without a phone in his hand, tweeting crap to his adoring fans.

I can just imagine him sneaking out of bed at like 3 AM and retrieving his hidden phone from under his mattress or something so he can go on a late night Twitter rant.  

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3 hours ago, Pixel said:

I work in a predominantly white place.  I've only worked with maybe 5 black people since I started at my place of work. Recently, I had a black woman as a member of my team. As we were getting to know each other, I told her - listen, I'm not racist.  But, I did grow up in a racist environment, and we live in a racist area, so if anything stupid flies out of my mouth, please don't get mad, because I promise I don't mean to be racist. I want you to call me out on it, because I am telling you right now I don't want to hold racist points of view, and if I do say anything offensive, there's a 99% chance I had no idea it was something I shouldn't have said.  

I'm pretty careful about that stuff anyway. My dad would casually drop the n-word and call negotiating prices "jewing them down".  I grew up with that stuff, and it has taken me a long time to not have to think about it before I say certain things.  She only called me out once in two years, and we got along great.

My point, of course, is that I like to believe I helped facilitate a better relationship because if I hadn't opened up that communication, maybe that one time she did call me out she wouldn't have said anything, and it would have become a festering sore between us and ruined our relationship. Even though we no longer work together, we remain friends.

You've made a good point and that is that no matter what race you are, you're raised by people of another generation, one with a closed mind. We are raised being influenced only with their point of view, they are responsible for shaping our early beliefs and viewpoints. We find out later that we don't share theirs and we figure out that we don't have to either.  It takes some people longer than others, to be able to open their minds and see that racism and prejudice is just plain ignorant, not to mention very wrong. Some people grow older but never wiser and remain ignorant. I grew up in an environment similar to yours but I rejected those prejudices at a very early age. I went to an all-white Catholic grammar school, with one exception, one black boy. Sixth grade we had a dance and everyone chose a 'date' to go with. I knew that nobody would choose to go with him so I asked him to go with me. It was awkward because we were still dorky little kids, but I had a good time and so did he. In my opinion inclusion rather than seclusion is key to understanding people that we may be fearful of. That's what it really is, fear of people that are different.

I married, had kids, then went to nursing school and figured it out pretty quickly. Everyone is equal in a hospital bed. Everyone is equal when they bleed. Everyone is equal when they're dying of cancer. Everyone is the equal the moment they die. What makes us all different is only in our minds and some people cling desperately to their hatred and bigotry. It makes them feel superior somehow, better than others. How dare we judge people we don't even know? Seriously - how dare we? I've worked with non-whites most of my adult life, for more than 40 years. Chinese, African, Haitian, Hispanic. I have made lifetime friendships but even more importantly they taught me the best lesson of all, that nobody is any less valuable than I am but many are incredibly more disadvantaged than I am based solely on their color or origin.

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1 hour ago, millennium said:

Now Donald Trump is responding to madman Kim Jong Un's ICBM taunt.  He apparently expects a crazy person to have a sane reaction to being intimidated. 

Well given that Trump is also crazy.... It's a scary proposition for the entire world.  Unless one of his kids can persuade him to think of future generations - his.  "Don't bomb that country daddy -we will never be able to put a hotel there."

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***This is a pure opinion piece, and even the author plainly acknowledges he is speculating, but does anyone disagree with the conclusion?***

Trump's Poor. And Putin knows it.

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My point is, at every single point where he could have simply made his life easier by “not charging” or “avoiding a conflict” or “staying out of jail,” he’s gone with the move that carried the most risk but picked up five figures, over and over.

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1 hour ago, Duke Silver said:

Frum makes a great "big point" here that the Trump & Co usual defense of "But Hillary...!" is, as usual, a false equivalency.  Brazile giving heads up on a CNN question or two in the primary to her friend running for president is not the same as the President of Russia committing the resources of Russian intelligence to hacking into several computers and then working with Julian Assange to release them over several weeks to help undermine Clinton and elect Trump. They're not equivalent and Spicer et al should stop pretending they are.

But on the SMALLER picture, is Frum right or wrong?  Because I thought:

1 -- Brazile passed on 1 (possibly 2) general questions that would be asked -- not to Clinton but to one of Clinton's aides who may or may not have used it;

2 -- Spicer & Trump keep saying "she got the debate questions".  Wasn't it just one or two for the Flint Mich townhall? .

3 -- The one question I know is so obvious that I don't know why Brazile would pass it on anyway--and certainly no one would need to tell Hillary.  At the Flint townhall, it was "So, if you're president, what will you do about our water quality problem?"

4 -- If there was a second question leaked, what was it?  Because this "water" one id the only one I've ever heard and it's a big, fat nothing.

Yet that's the question that got CNN Pres Jeff Zucker to blast Brazile in public (meanwhile, of course, keeping Lewandowski on his payroll as a "CNN commentator"--while Corey was still, unbeknownst to viewers, getting $20k a month from Trump as a "campaign strategist".  For Zucker, Brazile's action was a disgrace, but his own much worse bias and conflict of interest on Trump's behalf? "No problem!"

One of the low points of the media hypocrisy that still aggravates!

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1 hour ago, ClareWalks said:

I was just about to say, I only hope if they take his phone away that he stops tweeting every batshit thought that dribbles through what passes for his brain.

Dare I hope also that the media stop reporting every utterance, every brain fart, and every inanity of his as serious news?  It's been obvious for some time that his Tweets are intended for his Manson Family-like followers.  Yet, here is NYT--the paper of record--reporting on Drumpf's musings as if they are nothing more than stenographers.  

The only time that should happen is if Drumpf's dumb ass tweets classified information, after which his resignation should be demanded.  I guess I'll speak to my broker tomorrow to buy stock in Kool-Aid.

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3 hours ago, millennium said:

Now Donald Trump is responding to madman Kim Jong Un's ICBM taunt.  He apparently expects a crazy person to have a sane reaction to being intimidated. 

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He openly criticizes China to make things even worse. Hey Donald, let me remind you that China already has nuclear weapons, and lots of them too. Don't piss them off or even try to start a trade war with China, they'll eat you up along with our entire country.

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Why aren't Trump supporters getting even a little bit nervous?  I don't get it.

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36 minutes ago, Lunata said:

He openly criticizes China to make things even worse. Hey Donald, let me remind you that China already has nuclear weapons, and lots of them too. Don't piss them off or even try to start a trade war with China, they'll eat you up along with our entire country.

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Why aren't Trump supporters getting even a little bit nervous?  I don't get it.

Because...her emails! Benghazi! 

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Just now, Lunata said:

oh horrors (gasp), far worse than global devastation and billions of people incinerated

I'm glad I could be here to remind you how much worse it would be if we had elected the competent person. Let me know if you need another poke later. You know, after the bombs drop but before the power grid is destroyed. 

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I just watched Kellyanne Conway on Chris Matthews 'Hard Ball' and basically she's blaming the 'Obama legacy'  for every single thing including Iran, Russia, and N. Korea. This is how Trump's presidency is going to proceed, by making President Obama responsible for everything bad that will happen.

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9 minutes ago, Lunata said:

I just watched Kellyanne Conway on Chris Matthews 'Hard Ball' and basically she's blaming the 'Obama legacy'  for every single thing including Iran, Russia, and N. Korea. This is how Drumpf's presidency is going to proceed, by making President Obama responsible for everything bad that will happen.

I couldn't handle her or Tweety.  All I could see was KAC has a much better/very expensive/taxpayer-paid-for-stylist now.  

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Because...her emails! Benghazi!

Well, to be fair, these aren't the only reasons many people were opposed to her.  There's also " 'member that time her husband got a blow job?"  And more recently, "member that time she got sick for a day?"

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6 hours ago, Lunata said:

I just watched Kellyanne Conway on Chris Matthews 'Hard Ball' and basically she's blaming the 'Obama legacy'  for every single thing including Iran, Russia, and N. Korea. This is how Trump's presidency is going to proceed, by making President Obama responsible for everything bad that will happen.

Whenever KAC opens her mouth, all I can think of is that SNL skit where Kate McKinnon as KAC tells Alec Baldwin's Trump, "I'm tied to you for all of history."

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12 hours ago, backgroundnoise said:

And I'm pretty sure that was a reference to Animal House.  Gave me a chuckle, thanks!

lmao i thought maybe it was a reference to MASH. could picture the stupid character of Frank saying that while Pierce just stands there judging him as always. ??

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7 hours ago, Lunata said:

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I don't know why more people aren't alarmed about our fucking idiot P-E scoffing at North Korea's ability to create a missile that will fly all the way to the US.  DT and Kim Jong-un are the last two people in the whole world I want bumping chests, taunting and baiting each other.  They seem equally thin-skinned, and unbalanced.

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40 minutes ago, candall said:

I don't know why more people aren't alarmed about our fucking idiot P-E scoffing at North Korea's ability to create a missile that will fly all the way to the US.  DT and Kim Jong-un are the last two people in the whole world I want bumping chests, taunting and baiting each other.  They seem equally thin-skinned, and unbalanced.

AHHHHHHH. 

look, if NK is gonna shoot a missile our way, I hope they send us some warning so i can maybe OD on some pills or something. I do not want to be taken out via missile/bomb/nuclear wipeout/whatever else is out there. 

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I will just bet that Trump is obsessed with those "Retweets" and "Likes" numbers on his tweets.

For him its not so much about what he says. It's all about the attention and validation he derives (and craves) from those numbers. I swear, he is playing a game with himself. Betting he can up those numbers like a video game. As in, 'wow, every time I mention North Korea I get a few hundred more Likes but when I mention China the numbers go out the roof. Let me see if I can top the number of Likes from yesterday's tweet. "

 

Fucking mad man. Make that fucking man child. 

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1 hour ago, candall said:

I don't know why more people aren't alarmed about our fucking idiot P-E scoffing at North Korea's ability to create a missile that will fly all the way to the US.  DT and Kim Jong-un are the last two people in the whole world I want bumping chests, taunting and baiting each other.  They seem equally thin-skinned, and unbalanced.

On the plus side, manufacturers of underground bunkers for suburban backyards are probably going to do a stellar business the next few years.

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12 minutes ago, Pixel said:

On the plus side, manufacturers of underground bunkers for suburban backyards are probably going to do a stellar business the next few years.

LMAO. not gonna lie. I did google bunkers. it's insane that this election is turning somewhat sane people into....well.....the opposite. but are we insane or just trying to prepare ourselves? sigh

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9 hours ago, navelgazer said:

I couldn't handle her or Tweety.  All I could see was KAC has a much better/very expensive/taxpayer-paid-for-stylist now.  

Hmmm, do you think it helped?

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1 hour ago, Lana X said:

look, if NK is gonna shoot a missile our way, I hope they send us some warning so i can maybe OD on some pills or something. I do not want to be taken out via missile/bomb/nuclear wipeout/whatever else is out there. 

I'm glad I live in a major west coast city, as it increases my chances of dying in the blast. Better to be here one minute and a shadow on the sidewalk the next, rather than to linger on for months dying of radiation poisoning.

Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone!

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15 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

I'm glad I live in a major west coast city, as it increases my chances of dying in the blast. Better to be here one minute and a shadow on the sidewalk the next, rather than to linger on for months dying of radiation poisoning.

Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone!

From an East Coaster, thanks and backacha fishcakes, lol.

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11 hours ago, Lunata said:

Why aren't Trump supporters getting even a little bit nervous?  I don't get it.

Me either, but every time I look at the replies on his crazyass tweets they're full of crap like this:  "Oh is the sensitive little #snowflake #triggered do you need a #safespace." Yeah we're all gonna need a safe space soon, buttercup.

2 hours ago, Lana X said:

look, if NK is gonna shoot a missile our way, I hope they send us some warning so i can maybe OD on some pills or something. I do not want to be taken out via missile/bomb/nuclear wipeout/whatever else is out there. 

God yes, I need time to run out for cigarettes and gin. Although once he's in office I suppose I might as well go ahead and buy them.

20 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

I'm glad I live in a major west coast city, as it increases my chances of dying in the blast. Better to be here one minute and a shadow on the sidewalk the next, rather than to linger on for months dying of radiation poisoning.

Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone!

Ahaha happy new year indeed.

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9 hours ago, millennium said:

The problem with Chris Matthews is that he promotes the illusion he's there to be adversarial, to get to the truth, when in fact he's a kiss-ass and seems to want to be buddy-buddy with whomever's in power.   When I see Hardball now I'm always reminded of lawyers who fight like cats and dogs in court, then you see them having lunch together when court's in recess.

The only time I can recall that the show seemed real was that night he interviewed Zell Miller.  And actually, that was kind of surreal ...

 

You got it, someone else who's got his number,yes. I stopped watching his show for some time now, I'm done. When he looked Michelle Bernard in the face and told her that the KKK is a joke and she had to school him that it's not a joke especially to black folks in the south of a certain age, I was like child please, life is too short to waste on this show. Like dude, you are suppose to be way smarter than this to be so unaware and out of touch. I don't need his fake ass prodding, and pushing to get a sound bite, because I've never truly been informed by his programming. I really get decent information from 8-11 pm on MSNBC. No antics and clowning for the camera, just facts/details. To give him the benefit of the doubt, which I try to do, I think he was trying to say that yeah, the KKK should be a joke, but given their history of crimes against black flesh in this country you can't be  a journalist and say shit like that.  Hitler is not a joke for the Jewish people so don't try that shit when it comes to the slavery and the KKK with black folks. I've  said it before and I'll say it again, they truly don't make the connection in this country that slavery is very much black folks' holocaust and it's still going on today via the institutions in this country, still, and unlike Germany's government who issued an official government apology to the Jewish people recorded in history, our government   has yet to issue an official apology to the descendants of the slaves in this country.  Hell even the South African government issued an apology for Apartheid.  But it is because it's not seen as horrid as the holocaust in Germany and it involves black skin and "3/5ths" of human beings, this, this is why, the Chris Matthews of the world who are NOT straight up racists, but they just don't get it and can't see it and they say shit like he did to Michelle Bernard.

Bye, I don't have time, because he's way too smart for shit like that. 

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