S08.E22: Reunion Part 2

[LIMOM]

^^

When Tom minimizes his relationships with the two other women, he does it out of galantry and out of respect for Luann.

who wants to get into details in the sordid minutia of one partners old relationships?

These women are either stupid or have only encountered nasty men.

Edited September 8, 2016 by LIMOM

[mwell345]

6 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

5 fucks in 10 years? Sit down and shut up Sonya. Enough with your hurt feelings and melancholy memories. 

In my book, that doesn't even make them "buddies"  - and she wonders why he texted her instead of taking her out for coffee.   Such a far cry from how she was going to meet his mother.  Sure Sonja.   OK.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

7 minutes ago, izabella said:

Dennis is actually not the least bit divorced.  He hasn't even filed for divorce.

Absolutely! It is maddening. Bethenny says she's proven she's not dating a married man, but he's still MARRIED! ? ! I just do not get it. 

[izabella]

11 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I am still perplexed at how much energy was wasted by these women on Tom and next week the discussion continues. 

The other women had NOTHING else going on this season.  Sonja, Ramona and Carole had absolutely nothing.  If Sonja and Ramona had not exaggerated (LIED) about the significance of their "relationships" with Tom, they'd have had absolutely nothing to say about anything because they did nothing all season.  Hell, even Bethy had nothing going on except her fibroids.

[Lady Grump]

Also, I snark-respected the subtle camera / editing shade perfectly set in motion by Jules. At one point, she mentioned that the first step in combating an eating disorder is recognizing and admitting it (so true, for any addiction). Then the cameras quickly cut to Carole's and Beth's faces. Subtle shade for days!

9 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Anybody else notice when Andy asked how many of them have met Dennis ,Ramona raised her hand immediately and Carole sat there for a moment then reluctantly raised her hand. Lol, Carole and her boy toy have been on vacation with Bethenny and Dennis! Wonder why she hesitated. Maybe she is having second thoughts about aligning herself with the evil demon Bethenny and the backlash it's getting her.  

I did notice. I'm tellin' ya', I'm definitely curious to see what tact Carole will choose, starting now.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Lady Grump

[izabella]

Carole should watch this reunion again, and see how she has nothing to contribute except to defend Bethy the Indefensible, and realize that is not a good look for Carole.

[zoeysmom]

14 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

^^

When Tom minimizes his relationships with the two other women, he does it out of galantry and out of respect for Luann.

who wants to get into details in the sordid minutia of one partners old relationships?

These women are either stupid or have only encountered nasty men.

I think they wanted Tom to behave like Harry Dubin, who had no issues telling anyone who would listen about his sex partners.  He in my opinion is a pig.

[ryebread]

12 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

3 times this season.  With about 23 NY episodes, each of the gals get about 3 appearances. I posted the number because there were many comments about how much more often she has been on WWHL this season than the other gals. It's interesting, because like so much else, it is just a perception that she is on more than the other gals. People notice when she is on because they dislike her more. Perception is the name of the game at the end of the day, and often gets thrown around like it is a fact. 

I agree, and also because she's so loud and persistent that she dominates the show.  Every time.  At the very end last night, Andy was standing in front of a seated Bethenny showing the Shotzy Paddle and even though we couldn't see Beth, she's still shrieking from the background..."ANDY, ANDY....I need one of those for my bar.  For my BAR.  ANDY!"  LOL

The actual stats for appearances during this season of WWHL is: (3 each) Bethenny, Carole, Dorinda, Sonja  (2 each) Jules  (1) Ramona, Lu. 

Based on Moaner and Lu only having 1 epi, I wonder if Andy will play Fairsies and put them on next week.

Who makes the most appearances?  Michael Rappaport.

[Trooper York]

Bethenny's bigoted attack on Jews is just simply reprehensible. I am not Jewish but I have many friends who are exactly like Jules. They try to keep kosher but are not perfect. They make mistakes and missteps. Someone mentioned Ziggy from New Jersey who also isn't prefect in her practice. That's just human. Who the Hell is Bethenny to characterize her as "bad for the Jews?" WTF?

The only thing that made me smile is when Dorinda told Carole she is old enough to be Adam's mother. What? She didn't say that? Well maybe she should.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Trooper York
Sorry I mixed up Hillary and Bethenny

[Lady Grump]

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Edited September 8, 2016 by Lady Grump

[ryebread]

52 minutes ago, Showthyme said:

Swap Yolanda Hadid for Jules. I would love to see Bethenny have her way with Yolanda.

I don't want to see Beth in nasty action again towards anyone.  Not Yolanda.  Not Brandi.  Nobody.  I'd have to stop watching.  I must be finally growing up because her kind of vitriol is just SO not entertaining.  I almost wrote: "is just SO not entertaining anymore." But I don't think it ever was entertaining - have we ever seen the likes of this kind of nastiness before? 

Seriously, I think she's topped Tamra's Naked Wasted. 

[ivygirl]

7 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Those tears over the apartment?  Ugh, I had to mute that shit cuz I was gonna vomit.  The tears & holding off choking sobs, when talking about the "relationship" with her mother?  Oh Bethenny, did you take some acting lessons before reunion?  You should have, hun.  I didn't buy this bullshit for a second.    You've already said many times you don't have a relationship with your mother because of your own choice not to.  God, you are such a liar, Bethenny!  Sure enough, if you do visit Momma Bernadette, it will only be to film it for next season, right?  So full of shit, Bethenny, it dribbles outta your ears.

Barf. Who would film themselves wandering their old apartment boo-hooing like that? So phony.

It's like Vicki on the OC. Yeah, bad stuff happened (injury/illness). But I'd feel more inclined to greater sympathy if either of them were genuine to begin with.

Edited September 8, 2016 by ivygirl

[Mondrianyone]

I'm done with this.  I watched last night as if it were my job.  And not a good job, more like being ordered to clean out a bus-station toilet with my tongue.  Something that's supposed to be fun shouldn't feel like that.

If I want to watch a sociopath in action, I'll wait for the annual TruTV Ted Bundy retrospective.  At least he got what he deserved when all was said and done.

[WireWrap]

47 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

3 times this season.  With about 23 NY episodes, each of the gals get about 3 appearances. I posted the number because there were many comments about how much more often she has been on WWHL this season than the other gals. It's interesting, because like so much else, it is just a perception that she is on more than the other gals. People notice when she is on because they dislike her more. Perception is the name of the game at the end of the day, and often gets thrown around like it is a fact. 

How many of the other HW got to be the only WWHL guest like Bethenny and how many got to take over the Bravo NY HWs site?

[mwell345]

1 minute ago, Mondrianyone said:

I'm done with this.  I watched last night as if it were my job.  And not a good job, more like being ordered to clean out a bus-station toilet with my tongue.  Something that's supposed to be fun shouldn't feel like that.

I am going to finish the season - the last reunion and lost footage if there is one.   I don't mind because I know that after that, I will never watch another appearance by Bethenny Frankel anywhere, including future seasons of RHONY.  She hijacked this season, but I will not sign on for another season of the Bethenny Frankel Show.

[mothmonsterman]

Bethenny started her career playing up the poor girl angle. She was always talking about how she was struggling to pay rent, and how she wasn't stuck up like the other women (she certainly pointed out Luann's superior attitude  a lot).  

Now she is laughing that Jules has a McMansion and that she has no money-she actually screamed that out during the show. 

I thought she felt like she is now great because she is rich, but she is now very willing to admit it. I guess all Bethenny's Skinny Girl fans should knows she looks down on them if they aren't rich. To her that is one of the worst things to be. 

[zoeysmom]

8 minutes ago, mwell345 said:

I am going to finish the season - the last reunion and lost footage if there is one.   I don't mind because I know that after that, I will never watch another appearance by Bethenny Frankel anywhere, including future seasons of RHONY.  She hijacked this season, but I will not sign on for another season of the Bethenny Frankel Show.

No lost footage episode on the schedule.  Surprising, because that means the entire season really did hinge on Tom and Luann. 

[Watermelon]

12 hours ago, shoegal said:

My favorite! Jules looked amazing and is handling herself well, she and Sonja are ruling the reunion IMO. I wish Jules would have "owned" (in HW) terms the age/menopause comments. If B gets called out for slut shaming, Jules shouldn't get a pass on her age shaming. I hate when people use age as a way to insult people.

What I wish is that Jules had doubled down on the age shaming and said they're all entirely too old to be acting like the cast of Gossip Girl.  

[Ms Blue Jay]

Before I read everyone's comments which I for sure will love I must say two things.

1) Carole being so goddamn sensitive about her age and insisting that JULES AND HER ARE OF THE SAME GENERATION?!!?!?!??!?!

Jules is an old Millennial or an extremely young Gen X.
Carole is a Baby Boomer.  A young Baby Boomer, but still.  

Read a book, Author.

2)  A million times this episode the same thing happened and it disgusted me. And Andy is the fucking biggest Bethenny kiss ass on the planet. Laughing at all of her DUMB, CRUEL jokes.

Other women:  You said incredibly mean things about X, Y, and Z on these days.
Bethenny:  What?  What did I say?  No I didn't. When?
Other women:  (Give plenty of clear-cut examples.)
Bethenny:  WELL BLAH BLAH BLAH (Totally not denying it, not accepting it, not apologizing for lying or for being wrong or for what she said, just JUSTIFYING IT.)

She lies as much as Trump.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Ms Blue Jay

[Bebecat]

Since canceling most of my tv channels, I have one free show on Bravo left. I can't see using it for last night's screech fest, from what I have read. Is there a reunion part 3? Or does RHOC have more going on still, lol. 

I have to think (hope) karma catches up with Bethenny one of these days in a big way. She has been evil and awful to so many people.

[WireWrap]

8 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Before I read everyone's comments which I for sure will love I must say two things.

1) Carole being so goddamn sensitive about her age and insisting that JULES AND HER ARE OF THE SAME GENERATION?!!?!?!??!?!

Jules is an old Millennial or an extremely young Gen X.
Carole is a Baby Boomer.  A young Baby Boomer, but still.  

Read a book, Author.

2)  A million times this episode the same thing happened and it disgusted me. And Andy is the fucking biggest Bethenny kiss ass on the planet. Laughing at all of her DUMB, CRUEL jokes.

Other women:  You said incredibly mean things about X, Y, and Z on these days.
Bethenny:  What?  What did I say?  No I didn't. When?
Other women:  (Give plenty of clear-cut examples.)
Bethenny:  WELL BLAH BLAH BLAH (Totally not denying it, not accepting it, not apologizing for lying or being wrong or what she said, just JUSTIFYING IT.)

She lies as much as Trump.

Because no one other than Bethenny can have an opinion! NO ONE!!!!!!!!    LOL

[dolphincorn]

Bethenny and Brandi Glanville should star in a show together called "Battle of the Scorpio Truth-Cannons."

[Baltimore Betty]

The whole scene with Bethenny walking room to room in her fabulous former apartment, were we supposed to feel sorry for her? Really? OMG, what an idiot.

How much did I love Jules yelling at Bethenny, "What is wrong with you?" so bluntly, it was like poetry.

Andy needs to step it up with the questions, they are not really that interesting so the answers are boring.

Dorinda may have her flaws but you have to hand it to her, she can shut things down in a nano second, a fantastic example was on the yacht at breakfast Ramona was crying and Dorinda asked why, when she found out the reason she stated that was stupid and we are not going to cry about that.  I would love to see her and Jules take Bethenny down, make her answer to things.  Unfortunately that means Bethenny will have to be on next season, deep sigh.

 

[filmfan2480]

Overall impressions:

JULES looked lovely (some extra weight on her is a good thing) and was fairly articulate in expressing her thoughts.  I still think she's an airhead that says crazy things from time to time.

SONJA looked great and, while I think she's very ME ME ME, I DO feel bad that her supposed good friend LuAnn (of 8 years, who she's lived with) won't take her word or FEELINGS over the rotten Tom who's clearly a liar.  Blows my mind.

DORINDA annoyed me bigtime by not understanding what Carole was talking about regarding her Berkshires house and her deceased husband (justtttttt like she misread the "context" of when Carole spoke about the Apple in John's mouth in Reunion Part 1).  I don't believe Carole meant any ill will towards Dorinda or her deceased husband with that comment and Dorinda just CHOOSES to have a beef about it with her.  Dorinda is very guilty of misreading things that are said to/about her.  She did this with Heather last year, too.  She THAT sensitive???

LUANN is a nightmare.  SHE'S the delusional one.  It's fascinating how calm and cool she APPEARS as the other ladies sling arrows at her about Tom.  But the joke will ultimately be on HER when that marriage doesn't work out.  I would think she'd be mortified by her behavior this entire season.  And the women won't even have to say "I told you so"; it'll be obvious.

BETHENNY is a witch.  YES, she can be funny (I've always chuckled at her quick wit and talking heads).  Yes, I actually find myself agreeing with her on MANY things.  I wish she weren't so vile ... but that is what she is.  She looks like a witch, talks like one, acts like one.  Having said that ... I still think she was put in a bizarre situation regarding telling LuAnn about the Regency kissing photos and, while her timing in TELLING LuAnn about them wasn't ideal, I honestly think she felt bad and wouldn't want to be delivering that news to her worst enemy, no less a sort-of friend/co-worker in LuAnn.  I think she felt bad (ridiculous shaking/drinking aside) ... and I think LuAnn sucks for choosing to believe that Bethenny had some ulterior motive for not divulging the info to LuAnn earlier or the fact that she confided in the other girls beforehand.

RAMONA, I got nothing.  She didn't look her best.  And I LOL-ed in Reunion Part 1 at her happy/laughing/clapping moment when Sonja let loose with a zinger at Bethenny's expense. "Sonja-rita!!!"

CAROLE's face and hair looked pretty good but her dress, yikes.  If that's high fashion, you can have it.  She struggles to get a word in with this group.  I usually find what she says to be level-headed and measured.  But I think her alliance with Bethenny this season as a bit much.  They're both intelligent, good-with-a-word gals who obviously enjoy each other's company.  But she shouldn't go to the dark side.

Edited September 8, 2016 by filmfan2480

[ryebread]

7 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Andy needs to step it up with the questions, they are not really that interesting so the answers are boring.

Michael Rappaport might be interesting as a reunion host.  I've only watched him on WWHL once (last night) and Andy gave him several minutes to ask Beth any questions he wanted about this season.  He asked a few that I wanted to know the answers to.  But given some time to compose a good list, I think he wouldn't be afraid to get down to the nitty gritty. 

Andy also clearly likes him.  Based on the WWHL site, he's been a guest many, many times.

[Trooper York]

2 hours ago, Ki-in said:

Wow, I always knew Carole was delusional but really thinks she's in the same generation as Jules and Adam.  She didn't look happy when her age came up and that brushing it off her shoulder motion told me that she really is bothered by it. Good, she's been such a bitch all season (actually since her 1st season). And btw Carole is not a mean girl she's a mean woman which is worse because she should have grown up and out of those behaviors years ago. Hopefully Adam will take her away on his handlebars never to return.

I guess we're not going to get reunion highlights from Carole's stellar season: dog shit in a cup, lying about her dog being a service dog, fawning over Adam and buying him expensive camera equipment, getting hung up on face time, bringing and unwanted terrarium, arguing over the plot of all things to a cookbook, not knowing how to work a blender, fostering a kitten, not grooming her dog for a photo shoot so the dog looked a mess, a stupid dog wedding and planning her break up with boy wonder. She really brought it this season. 

ETA: I agree with the posters that think her book was ghostwritten.

1000 likes for this on the money comment. You nailed it. 

How is it that Jules is leaving and this waste of space will return? When I see Carole I feel like I am watching the National Geographic Channel and seeing a documentary about one of those birds that eat the peanuts out of a hippo's shit. Enough already.

[Ms Blue Jay]

13 hours ago, BlackMamba said:

And Carole you can shut the fuck about Adam!  That was last year.  Glad Luann wasn't about to give her the time of day to bring up her and boytoy.

Lu:  What are you babbling about over there?
Carole:  Excuse me?  Could you not be so disrespectful?
Lu:  Well, you were babbling. You were babbling, talking over me

haha :)  #facts

Edited September 8, 2016 by Ms Blue Jay

[ZaldamoWilder]

12 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I don't know that it was the worst but it was odd! Did Bryan write it or did someone else? It didn't read as if he wrote it, it lacked his humorous twist on these women.

I do think he was right in that Luann looked bad tonight. That said, I think she is digging her heals in whenever they come at her about Tom and it makes her look arrogant and delusional at the same time. She really feels that she needs to defend him no matter what they say instead of just saying "Enough", this is how it is, I forgave him, We're getting married and I am tired of you attacking him/me/us, Enough!" and then just ignoring them.

I was sickened by how Andy led the charge against her and against Tom with Bethenny nodding in agreement with him. That came across as if they had discussed all of this before the reunion was filmed IMO.

 

11 hours ago, Sheenieb said:

Say it for the ones in the cheap seats! I still don't care about Tom and Sonja. Tom is a fuckboy for sure, but now that it's come out that Sonja slept with him only five times in 10 years, that further demotes her claims that they were 'lovers.' Girl, Tom was just a glorified booty call. I'm upset that no one can communicate that properly.

My wish for Luann is that she realizes that Tom ain't shit and calls off the engagement. I get that dating can be the pits. It's hard getting back into the game, but she can do bad all by herself. Being alone doesn't mean lonely. It's best to be by yourself than deal with some dude who doesn't put respeck on your name or your relationship.

 

43 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't think Luann handled herself well, but she did remain loyal to Tom.  No matter how much heat she got she was not going to call her fiancé a liar, or say he lied about fairly trivial matters. Number of encounters but not the nature of the relationship.  My guess is Luann, who is fairly egocentric, does not want to spend her time with Tom yapping and vetting Ramona and Sonja relationships.  My guess is the same is true about Luann's past loves and the other women in Tom's lives.  Luann and Tom want their relationship to be about them.  Call them self-absorbed, call self-center, egomaniacs.  I just think the others wanted to crowd their lives with the past is not really coming from a good place.

To me what was frustrating with the Luann exchange, is no matter how many times she said it these women refuse to acknowledge that Tom and Luann's relationship is not a Q&A about their past loves, dates and friends with benefits.  She has said to the press to the others, she does not care about what happened, "Before Lu".   

-Sonja angry because she wanted Tom to take her out for coffee, instead of a Dear John text

-Ramona met Tom on a Monday and they were finished their whirlwind dating cycle before the weekend.  I don't know if the place with the flowers, was an additional night or part of the one of the other night's.  At some point Ramona got dumped by Tom and she seems to leave that detail out.   I am guessing Tom was her last viable date.  I do find it odd in a period of four days, Ramona managed to cross paths with both Carole and Bethenny with Tom. I know the UES is small but how is it theses paths have never crossed before.

-The uncertainty if Luann was really staying with Sonja when the Tom bomb came about-or when he dropped the bomb on Sonja.  I am guessing Luann is protecting the fourth wall and the staying with Sonja was a bit of poetic license on behalf of production.  

Because it is a reality show there seems to be this expectation that Luann and Tom are somehow deficient in their relationship because they don't focus on Sonja and Ramona.  Healthier relationships don't dwell in the past or focus on other idiots.   

Perhaps these women don't realize that name calling is not Luann's thing, and the last thing she wants to do is call her man a liar.  Pushing her to do so is a waste of energy. 

I am still perplexed at how much energy was wasted by these women on Tom and next week the discussion continues. 

This is exactly why she must require herself to stop talking about it.   She doesn't want to come close to acknowledgement about this and that's fine but if so, for her own good she needs to resist the urge to respond.   In the preview for next week's installment Beth goes:  so the next time I see your fiance of one week hemming somebody up in a corner, I won't tell you.  Lu goes:  please do.   Without one nanopause for station identification Ramona goes: are you sure?  (sidebar, did ya'll look at Ramona like:   biiiiiiitch whatchu kn...? wait is this like the evidence of that bic pen heart on your palm?  Sitbackdown) she did snatch my throat though.   The mere possibility, {shrug} probability of another public humiliation and cheating scandal brings Lu to the brink of devastation.   That's the entire reason I refuse to get these women together about what they're attempting to do or their motives.    If you're trying to destroy a bitch you don't say shit, you tee hee hee behind your unfurled church fan and proceed to allow her to ruing her life.  Maybe even get em some towels.   Lu insists on remaining willfully and deliberately ignorant, doing her best to discredit witnesses, with receipts, while simultaneously tearfully claiming she'd want to know.   For what boo?  They're not out to get her (not about this anyway) they could just as easily decide to be idle because Steveland Morris Wonder can see that a galloping herd of Budweiser Clydesdales is not gonna keep her from locking down the very last "eligible" bachelor on the UES.    Ramona's a stealth ass lowdown heffa, but she's also an educator, if you want lol.   What Lu needed to be mentored on was how to accept and hear a question about some shit you don't wanna talk about, smize a silent response to the questioner and keep it. fucking. moving.    She looks a straight up fool for continuing to even give voice, let alone defend several lies.  Don't nobody give a damn about Tom's whose and whats.   They do care that he tried to convince her and then them that although these were women whom he said didn't mean anything to him, he pursued the need to attach significance, by omission and blurry timelines, to shit that was insignificant.   Everybody get your ocular out, we finna come across more shit directly.   Either way I don't care about the details, the raggedy ass cleanup is hella insulting.  If I were Lu, I'd get all my *cough* regal bearing in hand, tell Andy, you know Andy, he made some egregious mistakes, Andy.   {foldhandsinlap} I'm aware and we're working through it and in the meantime we are moving forward with our plans, Andy.   Thank you for inquiring as to our well being Andy, I appreciate it, Andy.   Don't feed another bitch up on that stage.  I'm fucking PISSED at Lu for not anticipating that she'd be jumped and not having this as prepped as Beth had Dennis' "daughter's" phone number.    Gottdamit girl, suit. up! 

10 hours ago, ivygirl said:

Yes. Everything B does looks, sounds, and feels so phony baloney and ridiculous. And she IS awful. When Dorinda told B to back off re: Jules' divorce, did B really say, "Andy asked Jules a question, and I answered!" Or did I mishear that? Because if she did say that, hoo boy. 

And Carole came across so mean and catty. She IS a mean girl now.

Jules FTW, with Dorinda a close second.

Ain't nothing wrong with your hearing lol.   It gets better, Dorinda said you're hurting her.   That she still couldn't/wouldn't find her mouth's emergency brake?  Fam?   I was simply aghast.   Your coworker/friend just told you that you going on and on about what you heard was hurting ya'lls other friend.  Not in the past, right now today.   I feel like if anybody could've brought it to B, Jules was the lady for the job, but she's too well mannered and has too many feels to burn a bitch.   I love and hate that about her.  

3 hours ago, Sai said:

This recap mentions how Bethenny was asked if she thinks there would ever be an altercation on a NY reunion.  Bethennny says if she didn't have a business she would have grabbed Luann by the throat.  I saw this part on WWHL and I just remember thinking...uh, what about your daughter?  She didn't grab Luann by her throat because she's worried about her business.  No mention of her daughter.  How's that for parenting?  

Hee. Jewish parenting, at that.  

38 minutes ago, izabella said:

Dennis is actually not the least bit divorced.  He hasn't even filed for divorce.

And you see what you just did here?  THIS is how easy it is to shut down B's nastiness and fuckery.   COME THROUGH AND SHOW OUT!  You can't just say he's married,  divorce is public record, no?   Call the NYC county clerk's office on speed dial, say some lawyerly sounding mess and ask the records room for a confirmation of filing on camera.  The fuck?   Sigh. Do we have to do everything??    Beth did many things that I despise during this taping, not the least of which was her exchange with Jules.   B:  show/tell me when I said anything, anything, about you or your husband, marriage, babies, eating disorder.   {Jules and Dorinda hand her the folder of exhibits}.  B:  well I said that because and that was the time that this and.....that was right after........... 

Nope, nope, all the nopes.   Acknowledge receipt of the information you just asked for, apologize and then please go have a fucked up day.  

2 hours ago, Sai said:

And did you all see the look on Bethenny's face when she was going after Jules' marriage and Dorinda yelled at her to stay out of it?  Bethenny looked shocked and repeated....you think I should stay out of it?  Dorinda says, yes...stay out of it.  Oh my, how dare Dorinda.  Doesn't she know Bethenny has the right to be in everyone's business no matter how private.  Doesn't Dorinda know that Bethenny can say whatever she wants no matter how hurtful.  How dare anyone speak to Bethenny that way.  HA!!!  I loved every minute of it.

 I'm damn tired of the Bethenny show.  If she returns next season and the rest of the cast turns against her and finally speaks up for what's right I would love, love, love that!  I usually don't like a gang up but this chick deserves it.  She deserves it hard!  It NEEDS to happen!  Take a lesson from how Dorinda and Jules handled Bethenny.  They weren't nasty.  They just spoke the truth and didn't cower down.  They weren't afraid of the all powerful.  Of course we'll be subjected to Bethenny's tears.  Ooooh, they're so mean to me.  Who cares.  Like the taste of your own medicine much?  Not really, right?

Speaking of showing up.   When Dorinda's fed up....it's like running out luck...ain't nothing you can do about it.   Med-ley boom-bi-ay!    She said enough of this nonsense, my titties are exhausted, it's time for 3pm martini followed by my 4pm nap and my ride to the Berkshires is outside, let's get it.     I do love a chick with ride or die in her spirit.   She mom'd up and told B we're done talking, I said what I said.  (™ Leneithia Leakes)

11 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Over a ten year period, Sonja and Tom only slept together 5 times? That ain't a lover girl. That is a biennial dick in a box - open in case of emergency.

Round 2 of the reunion goes to Dorinda. She read, gathered, collated and filed both Bethenny and Carole into the "Bitches, I ain't the One" annals this evening. I bet their asses with think first before coming for Dorinda without an invitation. I applaud this so wholeheartedly I can't even find the words to express it. I love the way she put on her Superwoman cape for Jules and went hard. Loved it!  She stood firm in her word tonight. Lawd, how I hate a back peddling, waffling HW who quavers and oscillates with the wind. So I am loving me some Dorinda right about now. She told Carole and B they were especially mean and had ill feelings in dealing with Jules and she could not be moved. YAS QUEEN!

I think Dorinda hit a vein. Miss only 5 good summers left is sensitive about her age. BWAHH! If she keeps riding them bike handle bars, she might have 5 summers left, but only 1 good hip.

Who the pluck films themselves going through their old empty marital apartment crying and being extra and than brings it to the reunion to show? Bethenny the ever parched - that's who!

We still pretending that Jules eat disordering is all about B's lupine mom like B hasn't admitted to disordered eating in the past? We still doing that?

It is one thing to thing to scratch your head over whether Jules is indeed keeping kosher. It is another to call her a bad Jew and a bad example for Jews on national tv when your ass ain't Jewish yourself B. 

Jules done good tonight. 

Ramona's evidence is a photo of the heart Tom drew on her hand? Please remain seated Ramona. That added no value to anything and made you look dumb for capturing the image for one and for 2, letting it continue to eat up your phone memory by failing to send that mess into the trash bin.

I want to move on from the topic of Tom. I feel like it has already been exhausted to death and I can no longer care. Frankly, after the age of 50 girl code is dead. Asses ain't even mid life anymore. It is every man and woman for themselves. 

Lu is just embarrassing now. I still dislike B and how she has treated Lu this season but Lu is just being willfully blind and deaf and I can see and hear the train derailing off the track down yonder when it comes to that marriage. 

This needs repeating - Jules is so freaking beautiful.

Did anyone else hear B mutter to Dorinda that she didn't do Jules any favor by encouraging her to confront B? Yup! That girl is as good as gone.

Did they run out of pigmented lipstick on the island of Manhattan? All these nude lips are terrible and does no one any favors.

Like this whole thing me get my life but I am so mad you made me think about biennial dick in a box. 

I'm also recalling some not proud of myself giggles for Lu wanting that story about Tom saying she's about to marry a commoner to be kind of cute but B ruining it by telling her yeah ya'll have at least two things in common.    Oh B, it's shit like this that makes me hate what you've become.  You could've been a contenda. 

Sonja started to tell what promised to be a juicily shady story about one of the times she visited Tom's place.  I sure wish she hadn't cut herself off, that thing sounded like it was about to get crunk all over again.    Personally, I believe (but don't care) that she and Tom were together more than 5 times.   We all know Sonja is an exaggeratress extraordinaire, but she's also highly suggestible.   As she was trying to remember how often it had been, the rest of em were like was it 15 times, 10? 5?   I think they may have put the number in her mouth (keep the jokes to yourselves) and it's actually higher but at this point it's only twisting the knife for Lu.   To whom, by the way, she's a much better friend than the converse.  Luann could not contain herself about how ridiculous an assertion it was that they'd had any association, according to a confessed liar.    Yo.  I hope they're not officiated by a cleric.  I think they're obligated to include the part about there being anyone present with just cause as to why these two people should not be joined.   I'd come through and take one for ya'll but I nap on New Year's.

See ya'll next week.  Maybe.

[QuinnM]

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Lu:  Well, you were babbling. You were babbling, talking over me

Yes Carole, only Lu is allowed to babble, talking over everyone from Dorinda to Andy to you ...

[zoeysmom]

What I found disconcerting about Carole and Bethenny there is this idea that "they are just girlfriends talking" and talk about what girlfriends do-slamming their host and hostess on the way to their home.  No dumbasses you are on camera.  It is not appropriate or kind to keep ripping on Jules.  Oh we can talk smack about Dorinda's late husband being a ghost because it is just girlfriends talking and joking.  Carole and her simplistic "we all talk behind each others' backs," no Carole just isn't true.  Asking if someone is coming and the other person saying, "no she has a cold and is leaving for Aspen tomorrow," is not talking behind someone's back.  Saying that Luann is acting all Countessy, is talking behind someone's back, that she isn't taking the high road, she is on her high horse.  Holding little chat sessions to decide who goes and who doesn't go is another form of bethenny and her buddies for the moment base behavior.  It is on camera, you are actively excluding people. 

The other thing that bugged me, is Bethenny demanding that Luann call her "friends" a liar, Lie, lying, liar are strong terms.  One doesn't need to label someone with such a pejorative, people can have different recollections, assign different levels of importance.  Luann is not going to call her fiancé, or her friends liars just to suit Bethenny labels.

Even Ramona and her stupid article, which ran in conjunction with Ramona's press blitz for her flop of a book meant nothing.  Ramona's level of proof so far has been as big a flop as her book.  Here is a picture of someone's palm.  He was wooing me.  First he wooed her then he shooed her.  Ramona have some pride. 

There was a moment, when either Sonja lost track of her next delusion and said, "I don't want to hurt you Lu," and she walked over and gave Luann a hug and Luann said, she wanted Sonja happy and to get married.  Bethenny's comment, "what a weird universe."  So after trying to stir the shit that Luann's a bad person for not believing her friends. or Luann failing to take the bait and calling her friend a liar, Bethenny can't deal.  Sometimes you have to accept friends even if their perception is different than yours.

Supposition on my part, my guess is Tom has taken Sonja home and she has been to his home, I think Sonja gets so plastered she is not a suitable bed time companion.  I think the only reason Sonja settled on FIVE times, is it was the lowest number Andy threw out.

8 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Michael Rappaport might be interesting as a reunion host.  I've only watched him on WWHL once (last night) and Andy gave him several minutes to ask Beth any questions he wanted about this season.  He asked a few that I wanted to know the answers to.  But given some time to compose a good list, I think he wouldn't be afraid to get down to the nitty gritty. 

Andy also clearly likes him.  Based on the WWHL site, he's been a guest many, many times.

Michael Rappaport is a vile and disgusting pig of a human being.  Last time he was on WWHL with Melissa Gorga he decided it appropriate to have a conversation and tried to pull Joe Gorga in, about women's lady bits smelling like fish and how women he had been with that condition.  It was graphic and disgusting and Andy cut him off. 

Well just last night Andy finally gave him his phone number.  As a host-awful.  I think he has even less clarity of things than Andy and his goal is to make a funny.  Also he keeps talking and talking. 

[motorcitymom65]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

How many of the other HW got to be the only WWHL guest like Bethenny and how many got to take over the Bravo NY HWs site?

I cannot speak for taking over the Bravo site, but off the top of my head, Teresa, LVP and Brandi have all been on alone. Maybe there are more? 

[Trooper York]

I think the only way to save this franchise is to bring Jill Zarin back. She is just about he only one who has the heft to fight Bethenny on her own ground.

I would love to hear Bethenny tell Jill she is not a "good Jew." Now that's entertainment.

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I cannot speak for taking over the Bravo site, but off the top of my head, Teresa, LVP and Brandi have all been on alone. Maybe there are more? 

No, the whole HW franchise, just the NY HWs. LOL How many NY HWs got their own 1 on 1 WWHL with Andy this season? And I don't remember any HW, franchise wide, that got to take over their HW page on the Bravo home page, none, well, other than the special snowflake otherwise know as Bethenny.  LOL

[WireWrap]

3 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

I think the only way to save this franchise is to bring Jill Zarin back. She is just about he only one who has the heft to fight Bethenny on her own ground.

I would love to hear Bethenny tell Jill she is not a "good Jew." Now that's entertainment.

Sadly, at this point even if they brought her back, I doubt Jill would go after her. She would be too afraid of loosing her Apple again and she would be afraid of viewer backlash. Also, she knows that Bethenny would spill any dirt on her/Bobby/family that Bethenny knows from their years of friendship without hesitation.

[ElDosEquis]

I was really impressed at the BOMBSHELL that the Ramonster revealed last night......

She knows how to send a page to get it to print out on a printer.

Clever.....

[zoeysmom]

8 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I cannot speak for taking over the Bravo site, but off the top of my head, Teresa, LVP and Brandi have all been on alone. Maybe there are more? 

I would substitute Nene for Brandi as a soloist on WWHL and perhaps Kim Zolciak.   There was a whole series of vignettes   of a RH turning the  tables and interviewing Andy. 

There is definitely a bias wit Andy and Bethenny-he directly profits from her on Radio Andy.

[Ms Blue Jay]

13 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

This needs repeating - Jules is so freaking beautiful.

Again and again.  

[psychoticstate]

I'm amazed and saddened that I used to like Carole.  I really thought she was that Carrie Bradshaw/Sex In The City "girl" and I was envious of her boho/author lifestyle.  Not any more.  I certainly hope she is able to get herself surgically removed from Bethenny's ass in the off-season.  (Maybe she can learn to properly enunciate "kitten" as well.) She did herself no favors but trying to interject and pipe in to defend Bethenny and her honor (neither of which were necessary.)  I thought it was rich that she felt it was okay to interrupt and even call LuAnn a bitch but when LuAnn interrupted her she had to tell LuAnn to not to be rude or something like that.  STFU, Carole. 

And yes, she was definitely bristled by the age comments.

While I think the age shaming by Jules during the season was wrong I kind of understand where she was coming from.  She was listening to some of these bitches make jabs at her body, her eating disorder, her lifestyle, her husband.  I get the frustration.  Not saying it's right but she basically did what the others were doing, just chose a different topic.

I never thought I would say this but the other ladies should have followed Ramona's lead.  Moaner told Lu that she was worried about her, there were red flags with Tom and she just wanted to be sure that Lu was okay.  THAT is what a friend does.  You tell her once, voice your concerns and then let it go.  

Bethenny attempting to slut shame Lu - -with Carole trying to get jabs in - - was painful.  I don't know what Lu is or was doing privately and it's really no one's business but hers. 

Seeing the phone footage of Bethenny walking thru her apartment was equally painful because it was so disingenuous.  Who, but Bethenny, has someone film them as they walk through an empty apartment?  Come on.

It's been said by others but Sonja and Tom hooking up 5 times over 10 years?  That's all it is - - hooking up when no one else is available and not even on the regular.  Not a FWB and certainly not a lover.  All I could think of while watching this back and forth on Tom was that he would watch the reunion and his head would get larger and larger.  These ladies are acting as if Tom is the only single male left in NY that's alive.  

I thought Jules handled herself well and looked good.  It drove me crazy that Bethenny claimed that Jules came on this show in order to divorce Michael and then she kept saying that since they were getting divorced, obviously what she said was true.  No, it's not.  Yes, they are getting divorced but that certainly doesn't prove that Jules came on the show for that.  Maybe she did, maybe she didn't.  Maybe she came on the show as a way to get some income, knowing her marriage was going downhill.  Or maybe as a free marketing ploy for her business.  Does it really matter?  Bethenny of all people certainly shouldn't judge on that.

I get why Dorinda was upset with Carole over the Richard/ghost comment.  I don't think it was the fact that she said it, it was the fact that she said it to Bethenny and it came off as a critical remark, or a way to show that Dorinda is nutty.  Given that Carole initially wanted to demolish her kitchen entirely from her apartment because she doesn't cook, she has no room to speak of anyone else being nutty. 

[ElDosEquis]

14 hours ago, bosawks said:

Luanne was sporting some awesome "hair wings".  

Sister Bertrille would be proud.

But beffy probably gave denny his 'red wings'.

Morons..

[islandgal140]

26 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

She mom'd up and told B we're done talking, I said what I said.  (™ Leneithia Leakes)

one of my all time favorite lines!

Also thought Dorinda, when she was putting it to B was like my other fave Nene line: "This ain't Phaedra Luann!"

[Ellee]

Does anyone know if part 3 is going to include John, Tom and Adam?  Guessing Jule's soon to be ex won't be on. 

Just curious.   On the other hand, maybe Harry Dubin will show for Sonja.  Can't you just hear it?  'Harry, this is Lu.  You remember Lu, don't you, Harry?'

Sorry, I'm just blabbing...

[archer1267]

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Who the Hell is Bethenny to characterize her as "bad for the Jews?" WTF?

Has Bethenny even declared herself to be Jewish? (I never watched her talk show or Bethenny Ever After [Or For A Year or Two].) Why the big shpilkes? I thought she was the product of a mixed-faith marriage. Anyway, I tune into these shows to see women living a life I have no clue about, and the $2K potty trainer fit the bill for me. I never in a million years would think that "all Jews" do that, so I'm not sure where Bethenny's coming from.

Besides, where was she when her ex-BFF Jill Zarin blew $16K on a handbag? I don't remember her saying that that conspicuous consumption was "bad for the Jews."

[Trooper York]

16 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Sadly, at this point even if they brought her back, I doubt Jill would go after her. She would be too afraid of loosing her Apple again and she would be afraid of viewer backlash. Also, she knows that Bethenny would spill any dirt on her/Bobby/family that Bethenny knows from their years of friendship without hesitation.

That good be true but Jill would have some ready made allies if she came on board. Luann and Jill would make a formidable team vs. Bethenny and Carole. The dynamic would change.  The dirt that Bethenny has is balanced by the dirt that Jill has so it is a mutually assured destruction thingy. Jill could certainly peel off Sonja and Ramona. Dorinda would be a wild card and might be the balance of power.

[ElDosEquis]

13 hours ago, BookElitist said:

 Bethenny has imbibed more than a snootful of egoism, become drunken with curiously baseless spite, vomited wild somewhat demented accusations, and exhibited a form akin to delirium tremens by seeing nemeses everywhere... desperate to be worshipped as some semblance of a 'god-thing'.  

For Bethenney™,  this is all a stage. She is but a walking shadow; a narcissistic character that struts and frets her hour upon this BRAVO stage. Unfortunately, we will hear much more. Lately, playing the cruel idiot, SHE is full of sound and fury signifying (absolutely) nothing.    ?   ✨

I deem your diagnosis to be a fair representation of the patient.

The physical manifestation of the symptoms is an Acute Cranial Inversion with some Audio Leakage as a result.

[msblossom]

11 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

I thought Dorinda got Carole but good.  When Dorinda said she never had a chance to get close to Carole this season because of Bethenny?  Man, she nailed it.  She said Carole never showed up anywhere that Bethenny wasn't in attendance also.  Hmmmmm.  Great point, Dorinda.  Carole rolled her eyes like a 12 year old and said that wasn't true.  But everyone there knew it was true.  When Satan Andy read a comment (supposedly from a viewer) of how being around Bethenny has turned her into a mean girl, she said sarcastically she loves the mean girl comments & she rolled her eyes again like a 12 year old.

My point is, Carole never effectively countered these comments about how she's morphed into Bethenny's sidekick/follower & how it has effected & changed her demeanor & how she's perceived on the show -- to viewers & the other cast members.

Bethenny defended the mean girl shit they did to Jules, when they abruptly left her brunch & had made snide/nasty comments about Jules the whole time they were there -- as just doing the stuff good girlfriends do.  Really?  Some defense for being nasty & shitty to Jules, Bethenny.  Uh, except it's NO defense at all -- for Bethenny or Carole.  They were both nasty, shitty & cruel to Jules.

What I don't get is where Carole fits in with Bethenny's horribleness.  Is Carole really OK (as Bethenny clearly is) with being labeled a horrible person? 

Carole strikes me as someone who has never wanted to be on this show, yet here we are 4 seasons in with her. Is she a mean girl? I'm not sure she started off that way, but she definitely gave me vibes from the start that she's stingy from the standpoint of someone who doesn't seem to care to find a connection with people outside her very tight circle. I think she hates being on the show and gloms onto that one person she's actually developed a relationship with. It helped that Bethenny and Heather were utra alphas, so that Carole didn't have to exert herself and fell into the easy role of being a follower. Being a follower of Heather wasn't flattering but geez it looked pretty great next to what she's become with B. 

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[Ms Blue Jay]

13 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Loving the posts.

Winner of the night:  It's a tie between Jules and Dorinda.

Best lines:  Lu saying to Carole when Carole interrupts her - what are you blabbering about?  Jules to Beth - what is wrong with you?  Sonja in response to Andy's question about how many times she had sex with Tom in ten years - five.

Most stupid and desperate attempt at a put down - Beth saying that Jules isn't representing Jews.  Did Jules say she was?

Worst crying attempt:  phone video of Beth going back to her old apartment.

Best zinger:  Dorinda saying to Carole she's old enough to be Jules' mother.

Most stupid revelation of 'evidence':  Ro pulling out the picture and some article.  Beth still wins overall for calling her boyfriend's daughter.

If I wasn't at work I'd be rolling on the floor laughing.  I'm going to print this out and post it on my wall or something. I don't know.  I just love it.  I would purchase it.  

A month or so back I was defending Sonja and I still will.  Because I don't want anyone to tell me how to feel about past f* buddies or their potential future marriages.  I was thinking something like 10-20 times over 10 years.  That's kiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda what I thought what Sonja meant when she went on and on.

But you know what, instead of backtracking on defending Sonja, I just now kinda feel bad for her.  I mean she's that sensitive and fragile of a woman that she only apparently had sex with Tom 5 times and this whole thing hurt her so much.  Now instead of putting my fists up and defending her all, YAS, EMPOWERED QUEEN, I just feel sad!  No shade to Sonja.  I still say she should do hers..... 

1 time, 5 times, 50 times, whatever, that's Sonja's life experience and she can have whatever feelings she has.

I'm younger than Jules and I could have a teenager by now.  I know this because I can do math and I have peers who have teens for children.  This is reality.  I face that.  Carole embarrassed herself.  

Edited September 8, 2016 by Ms Blue Jay

[Jajamac]

15 hours ago, LIMOM said:

Yes,  both Jules and Dorinda standing up to the nasty bitches.

carole being reminded that she could be Jules mother lol

the look on Carole's face was priceless!

[ElDosEquis]

5 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I knew this was coming I said it years ago....when Bethenny bottoms out and is revealed she will haul her mother out for the Betheny Reconciles With Her Mother sympathy tour. I figured it would be to save her talk show but nope, she is dangling it for a big contract for next season to have it filmed. I'd bet on it. 

Hmmm, so the spinoff is "Dances with Wolves"?

It's all about her early family life -Michael J Fox can reprise his Teen Wolf role as Beth's father?

[mwell345]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

No lost footage episode on the schedule.  Surprising, because that means the entire season really did hinge on Tom and Luann. 

Could also mean the lost footage makes Bethenny look even worse than she already does LOL.  

[zoeysmom]

29 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

Has Bethenny even declared herself to be Jewish? (I never watched her talk show or Bethenny Ever After [Or For A Year or Two].) Why the big shpilkes? I thought she was the product of a mixed-faith marriage. Anyway, I tune into these shows to see women living a life I have no clue about, and the $2K potty trainer fit the bill for me. I never in a million years would think that "all Jews" do that, so I'm not sure where Bethenny's coming from.

Besides, where was she when her ex-BFF Jill Zarin blew $16K on a handbag? I don't remember her saying that that conspicuous consumption was "bad for the Jews."

A few years back on WWHL, when Bethenny was a guest, Andy made reference to Bethenny being Jewish.  She corrected him and said I am nothing.  My father was Jewish and my mother converted to marry him, but my step-father was Catholic.  I don't practice anything and mentioned Bryn was baptized Catholic. So I guess Bethenny is now embracing a return to her Jewish roots since she has a coupled up with a married Jewish man.